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Benga
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)471 Posts
August 14 2011 06:39 GMT
#281
sc2con is full of dicks.I dont know why they're doing this.
hi
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
August 14 2011 06:39 GMT
#282
On August 14 2011 15:36 FXOpen wrote:
sc2con is a community organisation of pro teams. In order to help each other grow. They are basically helping each other in business.. And they do.

Our problem is with 1 person. Whom now I am in contact with.


LOL, this is baller.
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
August 14 2011 06:39 GMT
#283
On August 14 2011 15:38 jazzminkey wrote:
Will FXO players still be allowed to play in the GSL?

yes
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
thebearot
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada6 Posts
August 14 2011 06:39 GMT
#284
On August 14 2011 15:11 Dayrlan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 15:03 Zlasher wrote:
And slowly but surely the whole EG vs Korea drama becomes slightly more balanced.


Oh? Did sc2con have something to do with the Puma incident, or is this just an odd generalization about all Koreans? o_O


Both?? I would think that since Koreans (sc2con) pride themselves as the nation with the most abundant nerds in the world, (thus the term foreigners, non-foreigners), when the non-foreigners such as Puma choose to stay in foreigners team such as EG, the terms really start to get mixed up and that's what they don't want to see. SC2con is simply trying to maintain a monopoly over something that doesn't exist at all.

The fact is that NA is simply a bit behind in e-sport scenes and now it's catching up. The terms foreigner and non-foreigner should never be used at all. There is no real sports or games out there that uses this term, except for Starcraft. I always wonder, if Koreans win fifa world-cup, even just for once, will they start calling others Foreigners as well? lol
Thorrissey
Profile Joined February 2011
United States29 Posts
August 14 2011 06:39 GMT
#285
So much drama surrounding such a young sport. You'd think there would be more unity, good manners, and favors between respective parties. SC2 will not have an easy time growing if there is this much drama surrounding players, teams, and organizations. How do you think sponsors and organizers will feel about investing money into Starcraft 2 if this ridiculousness keeps occurring?
The Templar with the thorn in his side
Okiesmokie
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada379 Posts
August 14 2011 06:39 GMT
#286
It's not that big of a surprise that the organization would succumb to trying to control everything. You know what they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I think they were on the right track with having representatives from every team being part of the organization, like the UN. But from the way it sounds, there are a few people who are controlling it despite what the members say, and that's not the way it should be. All members should have equal say in the matters, and until that happens it will just be another KeSPA.
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
August 14 2011 06:40 GMT
#287
On August 14 2011 15:15 TDN3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:45 Defacer wrote:
I'll just quote myself, because I called it.


On August 14 2011 10:04 Defacer wrote:
On August 14 2011 09:52 Blitz Beat wrote:
On August 14 2011 09:50 Defacer wrote:
On August 14 2011 09:47 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On August 14 2011 09:45 Defacer wrote:
FXOBoss or anyone else,

What are the benefits of dealing with SC2Con, exactly? And what do they actually do as a governing organization?

Do they have a board of governors?
A charter of player's rights?
Do they offer health insurance?
Are they financially liable in anyway?

I'm not being facetious. Most union's or independent organizations actually do something or have so kind of mission or agenda. What is theirs?


And finally the correct question has been asked!

Answer: + Show Spoiler +
They read the rules to the coaches before GTSL matches



Are you fucking shitting me? LOL. Well, that's something.


I thought SC2CON was a union made by the players, coaches, and managers. Where they try to establish guidelines on player working conditions, conflicts among teams, and stuff like that.


I think that is the intent, but this is what I imagine.

I suspect SC2Con, in actuality, is a small group of 'insiders' or greybeards from the Broodwar days comprised mainly of Team Managers and Coaches, that conspire together and force collusion and conformity between the teams. While they occasionally look out for player rights, they actually limit their opportunities and mobility, enforce working conditions only tolerable in Asian countries, and in general, have no formal process for selecting leaders or making decision.

FXOBoss or anyone else in the know: is this a fair assumption or completely off-base?




If it's right, then I guess these Broodwar guys want to kill SC2; but doing this won't help the players as they represent the players themselves. This would also hurt GomTV. I guess GomTV should do something about this organization.
No. If it's right, then these experienced managers, coaches and team sponsors would probably want to monopolize the Korean scene (perhaps not as much as KeSPA, but still a lot).

They work with SC2 - why would they want to destroy their own livelihood?
sesmc
Profile Joined February 2010
China61 Posts
August 14 2011 06:41 GMT
#288
this is just absurd FXO would do some backstabbing like this, we have yet to have official words from SC2CON, and yet ppl already jumping on the band wagon.

ask yourself, is the drama good for e-sport? what will this bring to our blossoming dreams, what is the POINT????

flame on~
不要跟我比懒,我懒得跟你比
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
August 14 2011 06:41 GMT
#289
Is FXO only fielding one GSTL team next season? Or will it keep 2 seperate teams?
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
August 14 2011 06:42 GMT
#290
On August 14 2011 15:38 jazzminkey wrote:
Will FXO players still be allowed to play in the GSL?


Since Slayers are not in SC2con so I don't see why not.
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
August 14 2011 06:42 GMT
#291
Very sad to here about the threats and insults to FXO.

Ever onward, FXO! FIGHTING!
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
August 14 2011 06:43 GMT
#292
On August 14 2011 15:19 Sawamura wrote:
I don't like how this is visible at all it could be fabricated lies let's see if you truly wanted to come clean at least show us the messages you receive during all the threats so we know how they man handle in to certain position and over all it's all one sided and everyone has something to say when they are not in front of the person they are talking too . If you are going to talk about P&C than these news should have been kept at low profile and not defaming the other party which is sc2 con without any evidence or so .

I like how you guys paint the picture where foreigners are the good guy and anything korean related are kespa 2.0 keep it up this is probably why there can never be any ventures between the foreign scene and the korean .


He doesn't need to come clean just because you would like to believe that he might be shady. He's making an announcement - and he's giving reasons behind the decisions made during that announcement. He's not painting any picture here.
Battousai13
Profile Joined September 2010
United States638 Posts
August 14 2011 06:43 GMT
#293
So glad that there is an individual such as FXOBoSs to deliver some transparency to the situation. I'm glad to see that he has the experience to see through a hollow threat and call the bluff.

It seems to me that Korea is defty afraid of losing their dominance on the Starcraft name. They were still so deep into Brood Wars when Starcraft 2 started and never managed to get a stranglehold on the market. Now their market share in SC2 is nowhere close to their BW marketshare. You can't really blame them though. So many people have made this their career, sacrificing education and prime years of their life to get a chance at making Starcraft their career.
darthcaesar
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States475 Posts
August 14 2011 06:43 GMT
#294
wow sc2con are nazis :S

fxo fighting
He is wisest who knows he does not know. | (┛OДO)┛彡┻━┻
Saraf
Profile Joined April 2011
United States160 Posts
August 14 2011 06:44 GMT
#295
Wow, this is crazy. I guess all I can say in response is this: FXO Fighting!
"Alas, poor MKP. I knew him, Zenio."
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 06:44:22
August 14 2011 06:44 GMT
#296
On August 14 2011 15:41 sesmc wrote:
this is just absurd FXO would do some backstabbing like this, we have yet to have official words from SC2CON, and yet ppl already jumping on the band wagon.

ask yourself, is the drama good for e-sport? what will this bring to our blossoming dreams, what is the POINT????

flame on~


FXO is backstabbing for bringing to public that the representative of SC2CON makes threats and harrass choyafou in attempt to force FXO to do what he wants?

This kind of shit have to come to the public light, the worst possible thing for ESPORTS is if power-tripping fools like that gets away with bullshit.
Thank God and gunrun.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 06:45:43
August 14 2011 06:44 GMT
#297
They don't trust you. They see your future. They know your power will be too strong to control... You must break through the fog of lies the SC2Con have created around you. But now... now they won't even get any control over you at all...
Year 2500 Greater Israel ( Bahrain, Cyprus, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Gaza Strip, West Bank, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Yemen )
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 14 2011 06:44 GMT
#298
On August 14 2011 15:41 sesmc wrote:
this is just absurd FXO would do some backstabbing like this, we have yet to have official words from SC2CON, and yet ppl already jumping on the band wagon.

ask yourself, is the drama good for e-sport? what will this bring to our blossoming dreams, what is the POINT????

flame on~


Well its more along the lines of, since the whole TSL FD and Tester thing where SCcon wanted TSL out and then immediately backpeddled on it, no one knows who they are or what they are doing and why they are doing it.

Even if SC2con comes with a reasonable response. What are we supposed to think?
twitch.tv/medrea
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 14 2011 06:44 GMT
#299
On August 14 2011 15:38 jazzminkey wrote:
Will FXO players still be allowed to play in the GSL?


Please stop asking this. Sc2con has nothing to do with the GSL. And they have no power over anyone participating in the GSL.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 14 2011 06:44 GMT
#300
On August 14 2011 15:36 FXOpen wrote:
sc2con is a community organisation of pro teams. In order to help each other grow. They are basically helping each other in business.. And they do.

Our problem is with 1 person. Whom now I am in contact with.

I urge everyone to read the bolded sentence. And then read it again.
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