EPTvVv Academy Re Launches - Page 7
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Dragom
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vVvSweep
United States25 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:11 coljbass wrote: Sugarbear. I can assure you we will not be discontinuing our Academy. We may never find the next up and coming talent. That is not why we do this. We do this to give back to the community. Give the community something to watch and most importantly give unnoticed players a chance to attend a major event. At the end of the day we had three Academy players participate in Anaheim and though none of them made it incredibly deep we are proud of the effort they put forward and believe it or not our sponsors LOVE our academy and love the concept and I assure you it is not because they expect these up and comers to go out and win. I will not speak to the specifics of the vVv Academy but if these two Academies are what I have to compare against each other then I would absolutely call the compLexity Academy the gold standard. I had a lot of respect for you while reading this post until I got to the end. I can assure you that you know more about your academy then ours. It would be silly to think that you would not feel your system was great. I love that you are investing in players to try and become professional players. That is a very noble act. That is not what we are attempting with our Academy. We invest thousands of dollars and hours into players across multiple platforms and have decided to go a different route with our SC2 Academy. It is an environment and atmosphere to guide you to that professional level. | ||
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Skamtet
Canada634 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:44 Dragom wrote: ... it's a team?What is VvV? nvr heard of it. | ||
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BobbysBack
United States77 Posts
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vVvSweep
United States25 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:17 rei wrote: ok, let's think about this with logic, 1) vVv wants a good team a group of smart players, smart enough to get into GrandMasters, and have a chance in taking a game off the big names out there. 2) "vVv-gaming is a very large organization." meaning they are well financed. 3) people who are smart enough to get in to grand masters are smart enough to realize vVv is "a very large organization" and that would have no problem paying for their basic traveling expenses. Therefore, 4) it makes no common senses for vVv to expect someone smart enough to get good at starcraft but not smart enough to realize their expenses can easily be paid by a sponsor that they represents. 5) vVv is good in nature, and will not take advantage of people in order to promote their logo. 6) base on premise 1,2,3,4,5, vVv will pay for the expenses of their recruits who puts in hard works and train together in order to get better together, because vVv is good in nature, and will not attempt to insult their recruits' intelligence by taking advantage of smart people who are smart enough to get into Grand master in order to promote their logo for free. 1) We are not expecting academy members to take games off "big names". 2) I will not discuss finances, but unless you have ever owned your own business it would be pointless to even try. 3) you are obviously not one of those people. You think that because company X sells $500,000 worth of product in a month that they are rich... Chances are they would be lucky to bring in $5,000 a month. Go ask Sundance how much profit hes pulling in after selling thousands and thousands of tickets to MLGs. (you don't need to, ill answer it, hes still in debt) 4) see 3 5) Thank you. Our logo is spread out enough, we don't need to try and use people for free advertising. 6) Did you really need 2,3,4,5,6 to say the same thing? If you are going to try and be rude and a smart ass I would highly encourage you to ask an adult about what it is like to own a business so you can come across a little more intelligent. As it stands you stated 5 times that you know nothing about business. | ||
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EggYsc2
620 Posts
On August 14 2011 06:18 vVvSweep wrote: These kind of comments really make me sad. If you can prove that you deserve a sponsorship then you will be sponsored. I will not make a blanket statement on guaranteed benefits as they are based on the individuals performance. If you cant sponsor your "up and comers", this academy should not really exist. You should be more worried about your players having results in ONLINE tournaments. Here how you should approach this academy, without money sponsorship -Make them join X tournaments a week(there are like 5 everyday atleast) -Make sure they actually do decently(no rewards for trying, only success) -Make them play like coL does for who gets to go to MLG(even if its only 1 spot) Your approach of "hey were a mediocre NA team, but since youre nobody we will extort you" is really really not thought out Also how do you expect to find the best players when they have to work a job also to pay for all this. This entire thread is filled with such rediculousness. This is almost as bad as a pyramid scheme, no wait... THIS IS a pyramid scheme. | ||
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vVvSweep
United States25 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:51 BobbysBack wrote: I never really liked vVv as a company from the start, but I do love most of the people. Good luck to you guys, hope it goes well. There have been several people with this type of comment and I want to thank all of you. There has been lots of posts of people raging. I respect your opinion of our company and will never tell someone they are wrong for not agreeing with what we are and what we do. I am glad you like our members and am glad you are respectful enough to simply state that you do not agree but wish us luck. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:56 vVvSweep wrote: 2) I will not discuss finances, but unless you have ever owned your own business it would be pointless to even try. 6) Did you really need 2,3,4,5,6 to say the same thing? If you are going to try and be rude and a smart ass I would highly encourage you to ask an adult about what it is like to own a business so you can come across a little more intelligent. As it stands you stated 5 times that you know nothing about business. Just for the record on the PR side of things (as I do PR and have done PR), repeatedly telling users they know nothing and you are too smart to explain it to them is not a good thing. Instead you break it down and help them see your side. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
wow, I have been trying to defend you with every one of my post in this thread, now i feel like a dumb ass for saying all the unintelligent things when I was trying to help you guys out. you really taught me a lot about being adult, and what it means to be smart, thank you so much on pointing out my mistakes. and you are right that I know nothing about owning a business, and i am no way consider myself an intelligent person, in fact I consider myself to be very stupid trying to be less stupid by getting help from others who are more intelligent than I am, such as yourself. Again thank you for replying to me, i never thought someone as stupid as I am is actually worthy of the time you spend in typing out 6 paragraph of text trying to enlighten me. | ||
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vVvSweep
United States25 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:57 Polskaa wrote: If you cant sponsor your "up and comers", this academy should not really exist. You should be more worried about your players having results in ONLINE tournaments. Here how you should approach this academy, without money sponsorship -Make them join X tournaments a week(there are like 5 everyday atleast) -Make sure they actually do decently(no rewards for trying, only success) -Make them play like coL does for who gets to go to MLG(even if its only 1 spot) Your approach of "hey were a mediocre NA team, but since youre nobody we will extort you" is really really not thought out Also how do you expect to find the best players when they have to work a job also to pay for all this. This entire thread is filled with such rediculousness. This is almost as bad as a pyramid scheme. If you have all the answers then perhaps you should run your own company and sponsor players. That's all I have the energy to answer here. There is so much wrong with this whole post and after spending the last 4hours trying to clarify and answer everyone's questions my patience is running out. So in an effort to not cross any professional lines here, I am done for the night and will likely miss out on replying to lots of posts in the hours to come. So grats to + Show Spoiler + Select | ||
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genius_man16
United States749 Posts
Or are players like Nerchio and Sheth not good enough for your sponsors? Edit: You won't respond to this I guess but whatever. On August 14 2011 10:06 vVvSweep wrote: If you have all the answers then perhaps you should run your own company and sponsor players. That's all I have the energy to answer here. There is so much wrong with this whole post and after spending the last 4hours trying to clarify and answer everyone's questions my patience is running out. So in an effort to not cross any professional lines here, I am done for the night and will likely miss out on replying to lots of posts in the hours to come. So grats to Select on winning the bnet invitational, and goodnight! I've tried running a business and I know that the FIRST thing that you have to do when you start a business is be able to take risks. You have to go out on a limb with your money/time/etc to be able to succeed. And sponsoring a player or two (like CoL) to go to MLG and help them improve is part of the risk taking that ANY AND EVERY business in the world today has had to do. But if you want to just try and extort people for free advertising I suppose that's your right. If people join gl to you guys. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
People who perform well in lans get paid People who don't go to lans, don't get paid vVv will only sponsor those who are already committed in trying to do well. For example. You don't get a burger from a restaurant until you pay for the burger first. | ||
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EggYsc2
620 Posts
On August 14 2011 10:06 vVvSweep wrote: If you have all the answers then perhaps you should run your own company and sponsor players. That's all I have the energy to answer here. There is so much wrong with this whole post and after spending the last 4hours trying to clarify and answer everyone's questions my patience is running out. So in an effort to not cross any professional lines here, I am done for the night and will likely miss out on replying to lots of posts in the hours to come. So grats to Select on winning the bnet invitational, and goodnight! i do PR for my team to, and if my management were to come up with idea I'd totally make them rethink it. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:57 Polskaa wrote: If you cant sponsor your "up and comers", this academy should not really exist. You should be more worried about your players having results in ONLINE tournaments. Here how you should approach this academy, without money sponsorship -Make them join X tournaments a week(there are like 5 everyday atleast) -Make sure they actually do decently(no rewards for trying, only success) -Make them play like coL does for who gets to go to MLG(even if its only 1 spot) Thanks for the advice and good look running your own successful gaming organization! Your approach of "hey were a mediocre NA team, but since youre nobody we will extort you" is really really not thought out Also how do you expect to find the best players when they have to work a job also to pay for all this. This entire thread is filled with such rediculousness. This is almost as bad as a pyramid scheme, no wait... THIS IS a pyramid scheme. Please explain how we are exploiting anyone in any way? I would love to know. If players want a chance to be sponsored they will have to attend a LAN to prove they can perform. It's as simple as that. In no way does vVv get money from these players from attending the LAN (unless they do well, in which case we will sponsor them). So no one is being exploited. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On August 14 2011 10:11 lorkac wrote: Sigh... People who perform well in lans get paid People who don't go to lans, don't get paid vVv will only sponsor those who are already committed in trying to do well. For example. You don't get a burger from a restaurant until you pay for the burger first. really, there are lots of players who do good in online tournaments and get paid, but they also get sent to lans as well. Sheth is a good example of this, he's getting paid but hasn't done that well at lans+ Show Spoiler + (excluding blizzcon) If it were only by lans then a lot of people getting paid right now would not be getting paid or be on sponsored teams as you are saying (I count that as being paid being sent to events). | ||
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EggYsc2
620 Posts
On August 14 2011 10:11 lorkac wrote: Sigh... People who perform well in lans get paid People who don't go to lans, don't get paid vVv will only sponsor those who are already committed in trying to do well. For example. You don't get a burger from a restaurant until you pay for the burger first. The lower quality burger "shacks" require you to pay before you get your item "classy" resteraunts give you a bill at the end I think we have made the the connection here. I wont say it But I will leave it to the people. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On August 14 2011 10:08 genius_man16 wrote: IMO if you have sponsors that "don't care about online tournaments" you should probably find new sponsors. Or are players like Nerchio and Sheth not good enough for your sponsors? Edit: You won't respond to this I guess but whatever. I think you're missing the point of the Nerchio and Sheth success stories. They perform consistently well at LANs. If they did well in online tournaments and then underperformed at every LAN they attended then no one would care about them anymore and they would not be on top sponsored teams. Yes online tournaments are a good indicator of skill but LANs are ultimately where your skills matter. I've tried running a business and I know that the FIRST thing that you have to do when you start a business is be able to take risks. You have to go out on a limb with your money/time/etc to be able to succeed. And sponsoring a player or two (like CoL) to go to MLG and help them improve is part of the risk taking that ANY AND EVERY business in the world today has had to do. But if you want to just try and extort people for free advertising I suppose that's your right. If people join gl to you guys. To suggest that vVv doesn't take risks is incredibly naive. We are a conservative organization and the level of risk involved in sponsoring a noname player and sending them to MLG is simply more than we are willing to commit to. If you feel that having noname players wearing the vVv tag is exploitative maybe you need to reconsider the benefit vVv receives from having said noname player wearing the vVv logo... | ||
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templar rage
United States2509 Posts
On August 14 2011 10:11 lorkac wrote: You don't get a burger from a restaurant until you pay for the burger first. Actually, in most restaurants that aren't fast-food places, you eat first, then pay. I must say that, while I don't necessarily agree with the decision to not pay student's expenses, I understand where they're coming from. I just think that, if you're going to take this stance, basing your decisions solely off of LAN performance (because that's what it sounds like, correct me if I'm wrong) may not be the best approach to take. Edit: I guess this is your method to weed out the people who aren't truly serious about going pro, because only they would actually be wiling to do this. I just happen to think that, even for them, it's a little too much risk compared to the reward. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On August 14 2011 10:18 SugarBear wrote: I think you're missing the point of the Nerchio and Sheth success stories. They perform consistently well at LANs. If they did well in online tournaments and then underperformed at every LAN they attended then no one would care about them anymore and they would not be on top sponsored teams. Yes online tournaments are a good indicator of skill but LANs are ultimately where your skills matter. To suggest that vVv doesn't take risks is incredibly naive. We are a conservative organization and the level of risk involved in sponsoring a noname player and sending them to MLG is simply more than we are willing to commit to. If you feel that having noname players wearing the vVv tag is exploitative maybe you need to reconsider the benefit vVv receives from having said noname player wearing the vVv logo... Correct me if I'm wrong but nerchio hasn't actually been to lans, he's been playing online (like in IPL) And sheth has been to 0 LANs prior to joining FXO, so those 2 DID go off online results, did they not? Again I could be wrong here. | ||
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