EPTKorean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 86
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Goliath0nline
Canada165 Posts
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Jinivus
747 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:23 babo213 wrote: Posts like these just make me wonder. You have no issues with Europeans but do with Koreans? Yup...mix of hypocrisy and xenophobia it seems. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
will the "free" spots given to other players ? i think NASL would be not as epic with way less gamers/games | ||
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Phant
United States737 Posts
I'm interest to hear the players opinions on this one. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:18 jyLee wrote: It would be a HUGE mistake to not get the koreans to come no matter the cost. Get the fucking best players out there to play in your tournament or its a complete joke. I dont want to see minor league players and I sure as hell wouldnt pay to see terrible players who think its ok to practice <4 hours and still compete at the pro level. Really?? So NASL should just bend over and let them have whatever they want just cause of who they are? Think about how that would look to the other players. Plus if you give in once, it makes it progressively easier and easier to give in later down the line. Its a very slippery slope and not a smart way to run a fledgling business. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
also for all who say "pay them more", there was alot players in MLG open brackets who fly there on their own so why they cant fly to nasl final if they are given 2k ? | ||
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babo213
United States266 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:27 Jinivus wrote: Yup...mix of hypocrisy and xenophobia it seems. Racism pretty much imo. I don't get why people want players who they 'can relate to' instead of the best of the best | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:17 MonkSEA wrote: That $5000 is over the course of three days. NASL is a lot longer and then there is the MLG & GSL seeded players which get their travel costs for free. The only players that have travelled to MLG from Korea on their own accord(No GSL/MLG sponsorship) are SlayerSGanzi and SlayerSAlicia afaik. Edit: Forgot there was July too! July didn't have to pay. He won a tournament to come to MLG Columbus. On August 12 2011 14:28 babo213 wrote: Racism pretty much imo. I don't get why people want players who they 'can relate to' instead of the best of the best Some people want to see foreigners cause they're tired of seeing the Koreans dominate. Nothing wrong with that. Not everyone like seeing big name people. Some people like seeing underdogs and players that are great people but don't get shown often cause they're not as strong as the best in the world. | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:03 Mazer wrote: Before Season 1 started, I'd imagine the Koreans were made aware of how scheduling would work. I don't understand how they would get into Season 2 without sorting this out with NASL. I understand that it's a problem and I'm really dismayed that they cast these games the way they do. However, if the Koreans had any common sense and decency, this should have been a major point of discussion before season 2 was even close to starting (with a withdrawal then). The travel expenses is a completely separate issue. So yes, I think match scheduling has no room in this discussion. It's just an afterthought or excuse for people trying to justify their actions. I don't think we've heard from the Koreans explaining their stance on the issue yet. As for "afterthought," it might not have been said but can you really blame them if they wanted some compensation for it in order to make it worthwhile? Is it not common sense and decency to try and keep a level playing field for competitors? On August 12 2011 14:07 mrtomjones wrote: I hope you dont actually think that they don't practice. They just don't tend to do it to the same extent. I think that's his point. Except they don't take it anywhere near as seriously as the Koreans do. If a progamer's job is to win @ SC2, then they should be doing everything they can to win right? It's not a progamers job to attend NASL, they are free to compete wherever they want and there will be other tournaments during that time frame. They don't have to compete in NASL if they don't feel like it's worth the expense and I'm not just talking about money. On August 12 2011 14:17 DueSs wrote: The North American Star League is North American at last.  uh...what? Did you forget the Europeans? On August 12 2011 14:20 Slider954 wrote: Its like if Major League Baseball decided to have a tournament and invited teams from say Japan and the Japanese league said 'They arent coming unless you pay for all their travel expenses' and MLB says no. The Japanese then say 'Our players aren't coming' The teams/players have to listen to the league, they don't have a choice regardless of whether they want to actually go. In all fairness, if that were to happen, at least the Japanese league wouldn't be playing at random hours to accommodate MLB and be forced to play on higher latency...w-e that may translate to in baseball. On August 12 2011 14:20 SuitGuy wrote: Again, this is a FREEROLL. All of the players in the event pay $0 to potentially win a large share of $100,000. This isn't a poker tournament where everyone pays an entry that goes to the prize pool. This is free. When stuff is free, you don't have a say in "fairness". It is FREE. NASL is putting up a lot of money to run this already. If that requires Koreans (who are on the other side of the planet relative to where the production takes place) to wake up early then so be it. It is a FREEROLL. As in FREE. Did I get across the free part yet? ...This isn't a poker tournament where you go pay and play. They basically play for nothing in unfair conditions for 3 months in order for a chance to win some or basically none of the prize pool. Most events are run basically like a poker tournament, you pay the entree fee (travel) and you compete for the prize. This isn't the case here. If you want to draw poker analogies, it would be if the WSOP had a 3 month online qualifier for players around the world that players had to play through before going to WSOP for the money event. Now imagine if all the players from Europe had to play at 4am in the morning (with an added latency penalty however you want to add that in) while everyone else played at normal times. Given the fact that there is other stuff around, would it be surprising to see Europeans pulling out of this hypothetical event? | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:28 CoR wrote: can anyone give me an updated list of players now ? who will be the replacements ? also for all who say "pay them more", there was alot players in MLG open brackets who fly there on their own so why they cant fly to nasl final if they are given 2k ? no word yet. They haven't even said if there just going to invite people or host more qualifiers yet. | ||
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TooN
1046 Posts
No one here knows the exact reasons why this is happening. So stop making up reasons and bashing people. | ||
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DueSs
United States765 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:23 babo213 wrote: Posts like these just make me wonder. You have no issues with Europeans but do with Koreans? I'll rephrase: North American Star League is more North American at last. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:21 Reasonable wrote: I kind of wonder the same thing, if that was all the Koreans were asking for. It seems fair to ask for at least that, for ~3 months involvement with the event.Why not just use a standard scheme: refund all travel expenses upon arrival and provide hotel or housing free of charge? P.S. North American Star League, this season will be more North American, but less Star, unfortunately. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:29 tripper688 wrote: ...This isn't a poker tournament where you go pay and play. They basically play for nothing in unfair conditions for 3 months in order for a chance to win some or basically none of the prize pool. Most events are run basically like a poker tournament, you pay the entree fee (travel) and you compete for the prize. This isn't the case here. If you want to draw poker analogies, it would be if the WSOP had a 3 month online qualifier for players around the world that players had to play through before going to WSOP for the money event. Now imagine if all the players from Europe had to play at 4am in the morning (with an added latency penalty however you want to add that in) while everyone else played at normal times. Given the fact that there is other stuff around, would it be surprising to see Europeans pulling out of this hypothetical event? You really don't want to bring Poker into this in general. WSOP has millions of dollars in prize money. NASL's prize pool is scant in comparison. They wouldn't pull out because millions of dollars were on the line. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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SuitGuy
United States186 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:29 tripper688 wrote: ...This isn't a poker tournament where you go pay and play. They basically play for nothing in unfair conditions for 3 months in order for a chance to win some or basically none of the prize pool. Most events are run basically like a poker tournament, you pay the entree fee (travel) and you compete for the prize. This isn't the case here. If you want to draw poker analogies, it would be if the WSOP had a 3 month online qualifier for players around the world that players had to play through before going to WSOP for the money event. Now imagine if all the players from Europe had to play at 4am in the morning (with an added latency penalty however you want to add that in) while everyone else played at normal times. Given the fact that there is other stuff around, would it be surprising to see Europeans pulling out of this hypothetical event? It would very much surprise me. I played poker for a long time and woke up at odd hours all the time to play in huge free rolls. Poker players would man the fuck up and play a free roll because it is free money. Europeans wouldn't pull out of this event. And I already said as much that it wasn't a poker tournament. Look at my post, I said the players have $0 invested in the tournament. When you have nothing invested in the tournament you have little ground to stand on in my book when it comes to negotiating conditions. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:30 TooN wrote: They dont wanna play. Get over it and stop criticizing the teams and the decisions they are making. No one here knows the exact reasons why this is happening. So stop making up reasons and bashing people. That's not the problem - if every player stated they didn't want to play that's one thing. But a Union decides that the players aren't allowed to play, and it seems through reddit (not the most reliable source obviously) that some of the blocked players aren't happy about it (hence why would they try to qualify, I'm pretty sure their teams didn't force them...). | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:32 CoR wrote: whjats with Nada and MC since they are in SK doesnt SK pay their trip ? They're in OGS, which are part of SC2con, so it's my understanding that they'd be barred from going by SC2con. | ||
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Cathasaigh
United States285 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:30 TooN wrote: They dont wanna play. Get over it and stop criticizing the teams and the decisions they are making. No one here knows the exact reasons why this is happening. So stop making up reasons and bashing people. They can be criticized very strongly for the way they did this. They waited till the last second and made demands when they knew full well what the conditions were when they first signed up. This is completely on them, completely unprofessional, and very much something for which they can be criticized. | ||
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DueSs
United States765 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:28 babo213 wrote: Racism pretty much imo. I don't get why people want players who they 'can relate to' instead of the best of the best ROFL. Racism. ROFLROFLROFL. | ||
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