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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:16 Icekommander wrote: Yeah, but NASL != EG. Blaming NASL for it would be silly. Not blaming the NASL but they are realistically and smartly asking for financial compensation to insure them against a potential loss. | ||
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ImmortalTofu
United States1254 Posts
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Redlol
United States181 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:47 Ravnemesteren wrote: It all seems so idiotic when thinking about mr Chae's post where he critized foreigners for not wanting to live in Korea for GSL. He made a point out of saying that any Korean player would gladly travel abroad to compete in a large tournament. Hypocritcal BS. Beautiful point, this didn't even occur to me. I was one of the people arguing against Mr. Chae's post in that situation, until we see the Koreans in the same shoes the foreigners are wearing we can't judge. This situation is pretty close to that. The Korean teams have an excellent opportunity to compete abroad in a break-even situation at worst and they choose not to. I can understand if the reasoning was time, however NASL has set up Korean, European, and North American accounts to allow the matches to be played on the most optimal server for each match, and I believe they've done the same thing with the time, so this is a non-excuse. The Korean teams made it about money, and it's pretty much a joke of a situation as a result. | ||
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Ryuhou)aS(
United States1174 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:48 dookudooku wrote: I think NASL's offer is generous, and I do not think s2con is being greedy. You can't blame them for asking NASL to cover it. Teams are not on equal financial footing. They don't have sponsers that will pay the cost of sending a player overseas. When travel costs are not covered, disputes among players and teams over who pays those costs are inevitable. I think they are being greedy. I think as a team you need to know what you can and can't afford and then allow your players to play in tournaments from there on. You don't allow your players to qualify and then go to the tournament, oh hey we can't really afford this so if you could just pay for everything and then give our players the prize money on top of that, that would just be wonderful. If teams can't afford it, their players shouldn't play in it. Simple as that. | ||
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Rybaia
Italy213 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:48 tripper688 wrote: How is it getting more than they deserve when their biggest league is shipping foreigners to play in their tournaments for free, as well as housing them, giving them equal opportunity in the tournaments, and rescheduling their groups just so the foreigners can participate in an extra couple of tournies? As for money being BS...$1500 for plane ticket alone, not counting room, board, further traveling costs once on the ground, that adds up for poorer teams. It's not the same. We're talking about a 3 day Final vs a 1 month Tournament. Every pro gamer 'll tell you that the deal is not as convenient as it seems. | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
SC2Con decided to "pay back" what they did and wanted more demands because of this. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:39 VPGeneralHans wrote: tbh this is ridiculous, the koreans want to reap the benefits of a NASL and NA scene but yet wont pony up to their obligations. Idra is expected to pay his way to Dreamhack, god forbid Dreamhack pay his way for him. lets just practice hard and show the koreans we can be better then them eh this +1. I am sure they have some very good reasons behind but NASL have really done their best they could. I mean, ffs, 2k for each player travel+living stipend is ALOT. Koreans need to understand that they need to risk something too in order to participate our western tourney. Is like they dont have this kinda experience since everything about bw is in korea. | ||
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Jinivus
747 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:51 Ryuhou)aS( wrote: ya know, i always thought it was dumb to have koreans in the NORTH AMERICAN star league... Rofl I suppose you think it's stupid to have europeans in there as well? All it refers to is the location, stop with the fucking "LOL IT HAS NORTH AMERICAN IN THE TITLES LOALOALSDFL" | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:50 redviper wrote: Not blaming the NASL but they are realistically and smartly asking for financial compensation to insure them against a potential loss. Which is ridiculous because look at every foreign team that went to MLG. They all experienced a financial loss. | ||
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BoxersGosuGarden
Philippines155 Posts
^This. So sick of people bashing on GOM for "making it difficult for foreigners to compete" nonsense. NASL should use GOM's and MLG's format of exchanging players so that it won't become such a hassle. A set amount of Korean players get seeded with all expenses paid announced and agreed upon well before the season. This will eliminate any misunderstandings and monetary issues. Four koreans in NASL is better than nothing. | ||
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imjorman
United States580 Posts
Providing a stipend in the event you come out to the event is bigger than any other event, barring some kind of pre-arrangement (like MLG with 4 Koreans). Dreamhack doesn't pay people that want to come try their hand at the tournament to come do so; why should NASL? Because you don't like them or you want your favorite Koreans to play? How is that fair to NASL? | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:46 Slider954 wrote: Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it: I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that. The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2. So wouldn't it be cheaper for you to just pay for the Koreans now? Sorry if this has already been answered. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
If you say that 2000 dollars should "more than cover" the expenses... then why not just agree to cover all the expenses? It would cost you less than 2000 dollars shouldn't it? Really, if you claim that the offer is reasonable and that it should cover the player's expenses, why NOT just cover the player's expenses? | ||
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Redlol
United States181 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:54 dabom88 wrote: HERE'S A QUESTION TO NASL:: If you say that 2000 dollars should "more than cover" the expenses... then why not just agree to cover all the expenses? It would cost you less than 2000 dollars shouldn't it? Because the Koreans want more than expenses. | ||
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:48 tripper688 wrote: How is it getting more than they deserve when their biggest league is shipping foreigners to play in their tournaments for free, as well as housing them, giving them equal opportunity in the tournaments, and rescheduling their groups just so the foreigners can participate in an extra couple of tournies? As for money being BS...$1500 for plane ticket alone, not counting room, board, further traveling costs once on the ground, that adds up for poorer teams. I think you need to read the thread, it has been stated multiple times that 1650 is realistically how much the trip costs. They are making the a guaranteed profit of 350 just for attending. Asking for more is more than they deserve, and NASL rightfully refused them. I don't think this is the players decision, it is sc2cons decision. I'm sure the players would love to be paid 350 to go on a trip to america to play starcraft. And your comparison with the GSL is foolish. 1.) the GSL is month long, a much bigger investment than the 3day NASL. 2.) The koreans have a far greater chance of earning a significant amount of prizemoney than foreigners in the GSL. | ||
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dookudooku
255 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:51 jmbthirteen wrote: I think they are being greedy. I think as a team you need to know what you can and can't afford and then allow your players to play in tournaments from there on. You don't allow your players to qualify and then go to the tournament, oh hey we can't really afford this so if you could just pay for everything and then give our players the prize money on top of that, that would just be wonderful. If teams can't afford it, their players shouldn't play in it. Simple as that. Then the teams made the right choice. Again I think NASL's offer is generous, but it unfortunately it addresses the needs of Korean teams in the wrong way. | ||
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:45 dabom88 wrote: MLG DOES cover all their travel expenses, or so I understand. They don't have to pull any of this Stipend crap and just pays for their flight and hotel. What freaking financial incentive is there if you stand to win less money than the other participants just because you're from Korea? The deposit thing IS very unreasonable on the Korean's part, though. They probably don't have quite a good understanding of how it works or something. There's a big difference. MLG pays for 4 Koreans to come over, not possibly over a dozen. And every foreigner who goes to GSL stands to lose money because the qualifiers are impossible and the code A prize pool is dog shit. The Koreans are being completely unreasonable here. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:54 Redlol wrote: Because the Koreans want more than expenses. Such as? | ||
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goswser
United States3519 Posts
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