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Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 59
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lizzard_warish
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
On August 12 2011 11:12 Deception-35 wrote: i will definitely buy the pass. im actually more exited with them out of it. I guess you enjoy watching medicore play that you can keep up with intellectually. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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JLew
Canada353 Posts
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lazyfeet
United States468 Posts
On August 12 2011 11:03 anrimayu wrote: So lets see what NASL is going to end up with after this. Imagine the final without koreans in season 1. Half of the top 16 finalists would be gone, with just 2 remaining players left in the top 8. Sen or Darkforce wouldve won the NASL finals even though neither of them made it out of the quarterfinals. I suspect there will be another big news coming soon to change this situation. What you talking about? Sen took third in NASL final. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On August 12 2011 11:15 Xeris wrote: Guys, please don't drag GOMTV into this -- they had nothing to do with this! i heard gomtv arranged this coup because they were concerned nasl would bypass them and take away their pepsi sponsor. ;-) | ||
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Omegastorm
102 Posts
Sorry Gret0rp and Xeris.. its like 5am here when NASL starts and i watch it for Moon only.. Good luck though!  | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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Boomy123
Brunei Darussalam24 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On August 12 2011 11:05 Talin wrote: Then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. From everything I've seen by following Korean BW and keeping an eye on some e-sport attempts in the west, I have to say that right now I'm nearly convinced that you can't build e-sports with money. Money, show and sponsorships can come into it when you already have an intense level of competition, passion and following and when you have players demonstrating skill that the audience can really appreciate. Speaking of sponsors, while I can agree with your statement, have you also considered that without interest and without a sufficiently high level of competition, western sponsors may soon no longer be interested in western tournaments either? Foreign scene does not justify $20k+ prize pool tournaments in the long run. On the other hand, whether SC2 grows in Korea is mostly up to Korea. They're pretty much an e-sport country (as much as a country can be), so if the game is pushed through the right channels there's plenty of sponsorship money to go around within Korea. It's not the lack of western sponsors that slowed down the growth of SC2 in Korea, it was mostly the internal factors (and Blizzard). Nope. Prize pools are determined by viewership or rather specifically by sponsors calculating if sponsorship will pay itself. So it is purely determined by size and demographics of viewership. The "Foreign scene does not justify $20k+ prize pool tournaments in the long run." is therefore quite strange statement. In what way does it not justify the prize pool ? If it will attract the viewers it will justify the prize pool. And I highly doubt that such a complicated phenomena can be explained so easily by one factor and that being skill, ignoring other, especially societal, factors. | ||
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kiniko
Canada163 Posts
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
On August 12 2011 11:15 lizzard_warish wrote: This sounds a lot [ironically given Gom was the victimized party] like Kespa pressuring teams and players not to participate in the GOM classic because it hurt OSL/MSL. The NASL has a far bigger prize pool, and assuming it continues to polish up performance as I'm sure it will, it could easily be seen the premier league in a year or so time. GSL looks quaint in comparison, and irrelevant if you manage to get top tier korean talent. So...just make sure it doesnt have that! /conspiracy Prize pool doesn't mean everything. Look at NASL season 1's production, it was terrible, the live was terrible, the casting environment wasn't great, everyone plays via online, tons of informal rules, people dropping in and out, and often times viewers end up not getting to watch shit waiting there for 2 hours, sometimes watching repeats, and the results aren't even live. NASL would never be able to be as big as GSL even if they get a few top tier koreans, why? GSL is 95% of the most elite player, NASL at most can get like 10% elite players and then 90% subpar boring foreigners of like TT1's calibre (just thought of him off top of my head, many more like him) | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Chargelot
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Brian333
657 Posts
First, the problem is the time of the year and the varying ticket prices. During off-seasons, it's cheaper but IIRC, the last NASL took place during a prime travel season. Also, plane tickets are cheaper when booked in advance but there is no way NASL Koreans can do so unless they just assume they will be in the top 16 (and really, while they have the skill to make that assumption, shit happens). This is sad news to hear and I probably won't be watching the NASL this season. Quite frankly, if this change goes through, I don't think there is a big enough difference between this and the IPL since I already take limited interest in the majority of pool play. | ||
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thedz
United States217 Posts
On August 12 2011 11:17 Cloud9157 wrote: So this means SlayerS will still be in it? Nope: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253750¤tpage=36#710 | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
I'm not too optimistic about Season 2.... | ||
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Lamphead
Canada241 Posts
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88FuZiLeiRo
Brazil7 Posts
I still think the Koreans are VERY wrong at this point, 2000$ for each player, in an e-Sports tournament is too much, more than enough for accomodation and the travel itself... | ||
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thedz
United States217 Posts
On August 12 2011 11:21 88FuZiLeiRo wrote: Bad for NASL, sad for the e-Sports scenario at all... I still think the Koreans are VERY wrong at this point, 2000$ for each player, in an e-Sports tournament is too much, more than enough for accomodation and the travel itself... On August 12 2011 11:19 Brian333 wrote: I'm not totally sure about this as I'm usually not the one directly buying or arranging the flights I take between Asia and the US but $1000 is definitely not enough and given the circumstances, $2000 might not be nearly enough either when including hotel fees. Keep in mind that it's a $1000 stipend plus $1000 prize. And the ticket alone will almost certainly be more than $1000. So they'd be essentially be using their own money (earned from over 9 weeks of pool play) to help pay for travel. | ||
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