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IPL doesn't have Koreans competing either to my knowledge, and their viewer numbers are at least decent (10K viewers at the time of this writing), demonstrating that with sufficient production values/organization, even when casted from replays, you still have an audience that will tune in to the NA/European scene. Best of luck to the NASL!Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 55
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flanksteak
Canada246 Posts
IPL doesn't have Koreans competing either to my knowledge, and their viewer numbers are at least decent (10K viewers at the time of this writing), demonstrating that with sufficient production values/organization, even when casted from replays, you still have an audience that will tune in to the NA/European scene. Best of luck to the NASL! | ||
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wats0n
United States509 Posts
On August 12 2011 10:44 1biza wrote: So the worst the Korean players can do is break even, and the best is bringing back $40,000? Thank god the SC2con stepped in here to prevent this massive injustice from taking place. That's not even the biggest thing. They get to promote themselves for sponsors and potential sponsors. That's HUGE. Sponsors like to see you getting exposure to hundreds of thousands around the world. This decision reeks of retribution for the Puma "scandal." Koreans are very prideful and if you know Korean culture you would see that as very likely the reasoning behind this act. | ||
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k!llua
Australia895 Posts
We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. Can someone, for the love of fucking God, convince the SC2Con to start acting professionally. Not tomorrow, not next week, not when HotS is release, but TODAY. Absolutely fucking appaling. Now that I've gone and said that, can someone apply some "journalistic ethics" (while the bile slowly creeps up my throat, burning my oesophagus) and get some quotes from the Koreans? | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On August 12 2011 10:37 Condor Hero wrote: LOL don't speak for "we." I feel like I can relate to Korean players (at least understand their culture) better than foreigners because 1) I'm Asian and 2) I followed BW for years. It is hard to relate to the ideal that practice = being good? I want to see the best players win. You want low level close games? Go watch Day9's AH something league. Also, I feel people aren't mentioning that this kinda delegitimizes the NASL as a competitive league. After GSL people were crowning Nestea best in the world. Who's going to do that to the winner of NASL when we know for sure the best in the world aren't competing? Obviously it'll be a huge accomplishment but it won't mean the same. This is stupid argument. Not all tournaments/leagues are about best of the world. Was Assembly about best of the world, was IEM, is some local European cup ? Competitive league means there is competition present, you do not need Koreans for that. If you call foreigner games low level, watch GSL and ignore NASL, others might do it the other way around and others might watch both. (Just to note I play low level games, not top NA/EU players). | ||
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Shrimpy949
Canada53 Posts
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eggs
1011 Posts
On August 12 2011 10:50 esotericc wrote: I understand your point of view and appreciate where you are coming from but in my opinion strength of scene comes with the money being invested into the players and events. You can have as many amazing players in korea that you want but if they only have 1 big competition, no upcoming events other than that one and they refuse to be part of the rest of the worlds events then their scene won't grow. Money is cheap. DotA2 is having a $1Million tournament. Doesn't mean the scene is stronger than the LoL or HoN scenes. | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On August 12 2011 10:47 Rorschach wrote: That is not a good thing from a spectators point of view unless all you care about is home favs..... I don't root for the koreans because their foreigners, I root for them because they are currently at the highest lvl of play that SC2 has to offer.... Yankees fan? After the match do you just say "GO THE WINNER! THE PERSON THAT WON CLEARLY IS BETTER SO GO THEM"? | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On August 12 2011 10:50 esotericc wrote: I understand your point of view and appreciate where you are coming from but in my opinion strength of scene comes with the money being invested into the players and events. You can have as many amazing players in korea that you want but if they only have 1 big competition, no upcoming events other than that one and they refuse to be part of the rest of the worlds events then their scene won't grow. They are not refusing to participate in global/international venues. There is MLG, TSL, DH, etc... They don't need the NASL, the NASL needs them to be taken seriously and for longevity at least until/if/when the rest of the world steps there game up to compete with some consistency... | ||
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 12 2011 10:49 yeastiality wrote: yeah they're such swell guys for letting us continue to worship them instead of developing our own scene For a lot of Starcraft fans, Korean scene IS our own scene, being the global home of highest level of competitive play and the home for top western players as well. | ||
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ETisME
12686 Posts
On August 12 2011 08:17 storm44 wrote: How about you change your fuckin terrible format. One series and you get knocked out? Who gives a shit if you pay for all their expenses. They are not going to travel across the world only to play for 30 minutes. I think this was a huge factor in why they chose not to participate. User was warned for this post this I actually agree. Korean players maybe willing to come if they are "covered" in travelling cost which you guys did try but the main thing is that the players also want to gain more fame over the western side. This format gives too little chance for the players to really shine off their skills | ||
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m0s1n0
Germany575 Posts
As i know so far NASL contacted SK Gaming? Is there anything more yet? | ||
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eloist
United States1017 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On August 12 2011 10:51 JSy wrote: Was looking around PlayXP for any response. Didn't find anything official, but here are some comments on the story (which was translated by ColdViolet) from PlayXP users. Link to PlayXP: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/global/view.php?article_id=3284548 GxPray (2011-08-12 09:21:52 KST) [Who] are they kidding? They'll fail to draw a large audience without Koreans 장난하나 한국애들 안하면 흥행 실패인데 케이스 (2011-08-12 09:26:25 KST) Hrm.. It's true that Korean players have merit as [SC2] stars/celebrities but.. to say 'we will participate for you, so you should do this for us' doesn't seem right. It should be a festive[?] gathering. It's just... rather than 'Due to several difficult circumstances, we will withdraw' saying 'We need you to this and that for us because we are experiencing some hardship. You've done some things but it's not enough' frankly does look bad. 흠.. 한국 선수들이 스타성이든 뭐든 분명 메리트 있는 집단이긴 하지만.. 우리 참가하니까 이거 저거 해줘~ 라는건 좀 아닌 거 같네요.. 말그대로 축제의 한 장으로 이뤄져야 할 곳임이 분명한데... 그냥.. 우린 여러가지 여건으로 참가하기 힘드니까 빠질께... 가 아니고.. 우리 힘드니까 이러저러 해줘.. 몇개 해줬찌만 부족하니까 빠질께... 는 참.. 좀 안좋게 보이는건 사실이네요. 아이유토스 (2011-08-12 09:27:15 KST) (lol username: IUtoss) Seems sending many players will be difficult [note: for Korean teams or NASL?]. Maybe just the winner and runner-up? That might be best. Expenses and all.. 이제 많이 가는것은 힘들듯 하구요, 우승자나 준우승자 정도? 이렇게 뽑아서 가는게 좋을 듯 합니다. 경비 문제도 그렇고 ... 피베 (2011-08-12 09:33:11 KST) This is actually for the best. 4~5 participants is about right. We almost had so many Korean players that the roster would be almost 50% Korean... A Korean-dominated roster might enhance performance or raise the quality of games but I think it ruins the flavor [of NASL] as a foreign tournament and might actually harm its popularity [or growth]. We [Korean palyers] shouldn't over-extend ourselves trying to participate and though both parties may be a little disappointed by what has happened, I don't think the result itself is bad. 차라리 잘됐습니다. 4~5명씩만 참가하는게 맞지 이번에보면 정말 대거 참여해서 완전 한국선수들이 50%를 넘어갈정도였으니.. 한국선수판이 되면 경기력이나 게임의 질은 높아지겠지만 해외대회라는게 무색해지고 흥행에도 안좋은영향을 끼칠수있다고 생각합니다. 우리도 무리해서 가는건 안좋다고 보고 서로 아쉬운부분은 있겠지만 나쁘지않은 결과라고 봐요. Frostmourne. (2011-08-12 10:05:32 KST) But NASL offering $2000 was a [thoughtful] concession on their part... It's true Korean players are good but I wonder if they aren't expecting too much special treatment. Furthermore, because the NASL format is different from MLG, an invited player may drop out early and return a lot less [to NASL] on their investment. 근데 nasl측에서도 2천불이면 나름 배려해준거같은데... 한국선수가 잘하는건 맞지만 너무 특권을 바라는건 아닌지.. 게다가 nasl은 mlg와 경기방식이 달라서 초대했다가 바로 광탈하면 투자 대비 효율도 별로고 And some humorous ones.. CarlitoXPn (2011-08-12 09:08:53 KST) Assuming this is true.. wtf Mr. Chae??? Emphasizing that being a GSL champion more than covers travel expenses and leaves plenty of profit he calls players not participating strange, and then he says something like this..; 이게 사실이라는 전제하에, 채정원은 모하는 놈인지 모르겠네요. 지에셀 상금을 볼때, 1등하면 모든 소요 경비를 다 회수하고도 이익이 엄청나다는 걸 강조하면서, 안오는 놈들 이상하다 그랬던 놈이, 어찌 저런 소릴 하누; CarlitoXPn (2011-08-12 09:09:53 KST) I got too excited and read the ps too late. Mr. Chae, I'm sorry. 흥분해서 ps를 늦게 봤네요. 채정원 해설님 미안합니다. GxPray (2011-08-12 09:21:52 KST) 감염된불사조 (2011-08-12 09:54:32 KST) All because too many Kimchi-mans participatingㅋㅋ ㅋㅋ It should be fine if only 4~5 players went. 김치맨이 너무많이참가해서 그런가보네 ㅋㅋ ㅋㅋ4~5명만 가면 괸찮을거같은데 crowley (2011-08-12 10:09:07 KST) Mr. Chae is busy enough already and now he's gonna be troll'd by kids who didn't read this carefully [i.e., who didn't RTFA!] Even though I and everyone knows and understand that the Korean teams are struggling financially, it is still a little disappointing [that they won't be able to participate] T T 채정원님 안그래도 일도 많으실텐데 이거 글 대충 읽은 애들 때문에 까일까봐 걱정이 일단 되네요 한국팀들이 재정 상황이 매우 어려운건 누구나 다 아는 사실이지만 개인적으로는 좀 많이 아쉽네요ㅠㅠ these posts seem very reasonable. thanks for translating | ||
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Ansalem
564 Posts
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
On August 12 2011 10:51 Veritask wrote: It isn't though. I just looked up a round trip flight over a weekend from Seoul to LA and it's $2100 per person just for the plane tickets dude, get an expedia account asap, you're spending way too much money. | ||
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esotericc
449 Posts
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Miefer
Taiwan229 Posts
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MrBlaine
United States16 Posts
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
On August 12 2011 10:53 ETisME wrote: this I actually agree. Korean players maybe willing to come if they are "covered" in travelling cost which you guys did try but the main thing is that the players also want to gain more fame over the western side. This format gives too little chance for the players to really shine off their skills How is the GSL format any better? | ||
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