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On August 09 2011 05:57 Snowbear wrote:
We start with MMM and we end with MMM + viking + ghost, and nothing else is viable. It's tier 1,5 against tier 3, which is a disaster. Everyone seems to forget this problem. I understand that alot of terrans are going 1base allin.
Bomber - probably the best macro TvPer, does just fine (by just fine I mean dominates the fuck out of them) against the best PvTers around. Puma and others look similarly strong too. This idea that Terran can't compete in the mid-late game is a myth from the days of warpin storms and no one making ghosts.
If anything ghosts are going to be nerfed because of the number of times Protoss players just die to mass emp. Basically if the Protoss can't snipe the Terran's ghosts he loses, horribly.
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On August 09 2011 06:10 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 05:57 Snowbear wrote:
We start with MMM and we end with MMM + viking + ghost, and nothing else is viable. It's tier 1,5 against tier 3, which is a disaster. Everyone seems to forget this problem. I understand that alot of terrans are going 1base allin. Bomber - probably the best macro TvPer, does just fine (by just fine I mean dominates the fuck out of them) against the best PvTers around. Puma and others look similarly strong too. This idea that Terran can't compete in the mid-late game is a myth from the days of warpin storms and no one making ghosts. If anything ghosts are going to be nerfed because of the number of times Protoss players just die to mass emp. Basically if the Protoss can't snipe the Terran's ghosts he loses, horribly.
I´d rather get the Amulet back, back then Terrans didn´t use Ghosts much anyways and i feel Templar needs to be better than it is against Z now with all the Infestor usage. Just my opinion.
And yeah, all this Terran can´t compete in a macro game its just a crappy excuse.
On the 1-1-1 Build, I still think we need to let the game develop before we scream for nerfs.Accoring to Jinro on the Korean ladder people have figured out how to stop it
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On August 09 2011 06:10 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 05:57 Snowbear wrote:
We start with MMM and we end with MMM + viking + ghost, and nothing else is viable. It's tier 1,5 against tier 3, which is a disaster. Everyone seems to forget this problem. I understand that alot of terrans are going 1base allin. Bomber - probably the best macro TvPer, does just fine (by just fine I mean dominates the fuck out of them) against the best PvTers around. Puma and others look similarly strong too. This idea that Terran can't compete in the mid-late game is a myth from the days of warpin storms and no one making ghosts. If anything ghosts are going to be nerfed because of the number of times Protoss players just die to mass emp. Basically if the Protoss can't snipe the Terran's ghosts he loses, horribly.
On top of that, bio should be played tempo based.
It should be a harassing / drop based style all over the map.
Bio shouldn't be played static in a deathball vs deathball style.
The tragedy is that terran can either play tempo / harass based, do mm+ghost timing pushs, or simply deathballing themself. A good MMM+Viking+Ghost mix can absolutely murder ANY protoss ball, as long as you hit your emp and don't mess up your positioning.
The difference is protoss can't play the other styles, their timing attacks have been figured out.
Terran should be forced to split up their army, attack at multiple positions and be efficient through it.
Games like MC vs Puma should be basic terran play for TvP, constantly dropping, threaten attacks at expos etc. , and if you don't do that, you get punished for letting the protoss get his ball. Playing against protoss should be like playing against mech in broodwar. You shouldnt under any circumstances be able to win head on a 200/200 vs 200/200 fight.
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On August 09 2011 06:19 windsupernova wrote:
On the 1-1-1 Build, I still think we need to let the game develop before we scream for nerfs.Accoring to Jinro on the Korean ladder people have figured out how to stop it
Think he said Protoss are "doing better" against it, which could just mean it's down to 70% winrate :p I'd be surprised if a build since beta is finally figured out, but pleasantly so.
On August 09 2011 06:21 Elefanto wrote:
Games like MC vs Puma should be basic terran play for TvP, constantly dropping, threaten attacks at expos etc. , and if you don't do that, you get punished for letting the protoss get his ball. Playing against protoss should be like playing against mech in broodwar. You shouldnt under any circumstances be able to win head on a 200/200 vs 200/200 fight.
I think it's OK, though it's way harder for the Toss player. MC shows how it can be done. Threaten to mass feedback/storm their ball if they don't lead with ghosts, and if they do threaten to snipe them with blink stalkers. It's fucking hard when Terran can just scan and ghosts outrange templar, but it is possible.
They should just increase feedback range imo, make the Terran actually have to be careful with his ghosts instead of lolling around miles in front of his army :<
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I went through the international individual leagues, for the sake of augmenting the OP with a larger data set. Korea is good to look at, but the data set is very small (and only incorporates the Korean state of the game, so to speak).
Individual League Winners & Runner-Ups (1061 events):
First Place
Terran - 498 (46.94%)
Zerg - 263 (24.79%)
Protoss - 264 (24.88%)
Unknown - 36 (3.39%)
Second Place
Terran - 433 (40.81%)
Zerg - 299 (28.18%)
Protoss - 290 (27.33%)
Unknown - 39 (3.68%)*
Total Finals Appearances (1st + 2nd combined)
Terran - 931 (43.87%)
Zerg - 562 (26.48%)
Protoss - 552 (26.11%)
Unknown - 75 (3.53%)*
Bonus! Since we know that the balance of the game has changed radically between 2010 and 2011 thanks to the great patches Blizzard has released, let's break down the data between these two years.
Individual League Winners & Runner-Ups for 2010 (358 events):
First Place
Terran - 206 (57.54%)
Zerg - 49 (13.69%)
Protoss - 88 (24.58%)
Unknown - 15 (4.19%)
Second Place
Terran - 159 (44.41%)
Zerg - 91 (25.42%)
Protoss - 93 (25.98%)
Unknown - 15 (4.19%)*
Total Finals Appearances (1st + 2nd combined)
Terran - 365 (50.98%)
Zerg - 140 (19.55%)
Protoss - 181 (25.28%)
Unknown - 30 (4.19%)*
Individual League Winners & Runner-Ups for 2011 (703 events):
First Place
Terran - 292 (41.54%)
Zerg - 214 (30.44%)
Protoss - 176 (25.04%)
Unknown - 21 (2.99%)
Second Place
Terran - 274 (38.98%)
Zerg - 208 (29.59%)
Protoss - 197 (28.02%)
Unknown - 24 (3.41%)*
Total Finals Appearances (1st + 2nd combined)
Terran - 566 (40.26%)
Zerg - 422 (30.01%)
Protoss - 373 (26.53%)
Unknown - 45 (3.20%)*
And of course, SC2Statistics!
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Non-mirror winrates by race for July:
Terran: 54.2%
Zerg: 48.6%
Protoss: 46.7%
Winrates by matchup for July:
TvZ: 55.4%
PvT: 47.2%
ZvP: 53.8%
Average winrates by race (overall):
Terran: 53.1%
Zerg: 47.1%
Protoss: 48.9%
Average winrates by matchup (overall):
TvZ: 54.8%
PvT: 48.4%
ZvP: 49.7%
Average winrates by race (2010):
Terran: 54.4%
Zerg: 45.8%
Protoss: 48.4%
Average winrates by matchup (2010):
TvZ: 55.5%
PvT: 46.6%
ZvP: 47.9%
Average winrates by race (2011):
Terran: 52.3%
Zerg: 47.9%
Protoss: 49.2%
Average winrates by matchup (2011):
TvZ: 54.4%
PvT: 49.4%
ZvP: 50.8%
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* Random finals appearances are included in the Unknown column, since I was too lazy to make an entirely new column of data for a few data points (<5) that only appear for runner-up (there were no random 1st place wins).
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I am not drawing on the statistics mentioned in the OP as a reference. At what point do I do so in my original post? It's clear that these stats don't take into account player skill or the fact that Terrans account for the majority of top players.
On August 09 2011 04:36 Talin wrote:
How is MVP anymore of a "genuinely top player" than MC? I'm very confused here.
MC said himself he hasn't been keeping up, he hasn't had the best practice and that he was behind the top players right now due to traveling to all the foreign events and having little time to settle down and practice for GSL. So why don't you go and argue your points with him instead. -_-
What did MVP win in Korea recently? When he was winning, he was pretty much the best player in the world (over Nestea even).
How does this, in any way/shape/form, suggest that MVP is anymore of a "genuinely top player" than MC? When MC was winning (2 GSL Titles) - he was also considered the best player in the world (over Nestea even). How is this an argument that MVP is more of a "genuinely top player?"
I have no reason to argue my points with MC, you are not quoting him as you suggest -- you're making an entirely subjective statement. Him saying "I have been lacking in practice and feel like I am behind" and you stating "MC can't keep up with the competition" is not the same thing. Hopefully I don't have to explain how you have misconstrued this information and put your own spin on things. Again, if you watch the games (as you like to emphasize), MC lost to a 1-1-1 all-in from Bomber, dominated Inca in a PvP, and annihilated Kyrix. He then proceeds to best Huk who has shown that his PvP is among the world's best (HSC III).
For the second part of you argument -- What has MVP done since his win over a diluted player pool in the "World Tournament"? Knocked down to Code A, and failed to advance out of a GSL group with nothing but T / Z (his stronger matchups), and failing to hold down the fort against FXO.qxc. I'm not hating on MVP here, I'm just pointing out that MVP has shown plenty of struggles in "keeping up with the competition" as you say MC is. Again, your statements do not form a counter argument - you do not even address my question.
I would be one of the first to tell you that Hongun / Sangho / Inca / Tester are not on the same level as Nestea / Losira / Bomber / MVP. I am not arguing that these Protoss players are of equal skill to the counter parts you mention. I simply emphasize that your argument of Protoss' needing to "step it up" is both naive and ignorant -- and this was done in my original post.
All I ask is that you make a somewhat coherent counter argument that is backed up by statements that address my points. When you copy / paste my question into your ensuing post, address it.
This is of course instead of making the "Dear Protoss, you're not trying hard enough" arguments that are not only highly unlikely in Korea, but impossible to prove.
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While Terran have been dominating, i personally i don't see Zerg and Toss that far off from each other in terms of success.
Like Zerg as a race have a few guys who just get it, and those few are capable of winning championships. Though after these top few Zergs, the quality of players for Zerg falls fast.
Where as with Toss, they have one top tier player in MC, though they have quite a few what ill refer to as "mid tier players". Players that are cable of having mediocre results consistently, but lack the skill to become a champion.
I guess Zerg success has been more glorious, and so Zerg's current position is more favorable.
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On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:
I have no reason to argue my points with MC, you are not quoting him as you suggest -- you're making an entirely subjective statement. Him saying "I have been lacking in practice and feel like I am behind" and you stating "MC can't keep up with the competition" is not the same thing. Hopefully I don't have to explain how you have misconstrued this information and put your own spin on things. Again, if you watch the games (as you like to emphasize), MC lost to a 1-1-1 all-in from Bomber, dominated Inca in a PvP, and annihilated Kyrix. He then proceeds to best Huk who has shown that his PvP is among the world's best (HSC III).
I just want to add that the interview (if he meant another one he can link it) was done over 3 months ago. I kind of doubt that he couldnt close the pratice gap in those 3 months.
On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:
I would be one of the first to tell you that Hongun / Sangho / Inca / Tester are not on the same level as Nestea / Losira / Bomber / MVP. I am not arguing that these Protoss players are of lesser skill than the counter parts you mention. I simply emphasize that your argument of Protoss' needing to "step it up" is both naive and ignorant -- and this was done in my original post.
I agree here too. No one is argueing that people like Trickster, SangHo, HongUn, Alicia, Huk are pure GSL Champion material like Nestea, Losira, Bomber, MVP, MC.
But on the other hand Z like violet, kyrix, zenio, coca and T like clide, ensnare, top, virus, supernova, keen, alive, noblesse, ryung, happy, asd fall into the same category.
And the question is are those people really that much better & practice more compared to other (non Code S) Protosss like seed, yonghwa, tassadar, sage.
Also funny that people complain about HongUn and his "gimmicky" style. Maybe it's that style which prevents him from being predictable like the rest?
As I mentioned earlier - I dont believe that P is UP or weak atm. We need more time to confirm those 1month results.
But saying it's because P dont practice hard enough is insulting to all those players (without posting proof like their practice regiment).
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looking at stormfoxscs stats it looks pretty balanced to me in 2011 in regard of the race played by the numbers. only looking on korea isnt representative for the whole sc2 scene. just look at the results outside:
Germany eps: Socke
France eps: ToD
Dreamhack cointoss: Socke
Dreamhack summer inv: MC
Dreamhack summer: HuK
HSC3: HuK
Spain inv( forgot the name): Hasuobs
Shoutcraft inv: Socke
Danish Lan(fogot the name too): MC
MLG Dalles 2011: Naniwa
most of the big events in europe are dominated by protoss but I wouldnt say that P is OP. In general it is pretty balanced. Also 1-1-1 is just a trend. like 4 gate it will lose it effectnivs by time.
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On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:All I ask is that you make a somewhat coherent counter argument that is backed up by statements that address my points. When you copy / paste my question into your ensuing post, address it.
I would ask you to do the same thing actually. -_-
On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:
How does this, in any way/shape/form, suggest that MVP is anymore of a "genuinely top player" than MC? When MC was winning (2 GSL Titles) - he was also considered the best player in the world (over Nestea even). How is this an argument that MVP is more of a "genuinely top player?"
I never implied that MVP was more of a top player than MC, that's something you pretty much made up on your own when you brought MVP up. It wasn't an argument I ever made.
Admittedly I did answer to your (loaded) question of "how is MVP more of a top player" - although the only thing I specifically said was that he WAS better at some point in time, so I don't see where exactly am I wrong in this.
On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:
I have no reason to argue my points with MC, you are not quoting him as you suggest -- you're making an entirely subjective statement. Him saying "I have been lacking in practice and feel like I am behind" and you stating "MC can't keep up with the competition" is not the same thing.
I'm stating that MC can't keep up with the competition right now, which doesn't imply that he doesn't have the ability to keep up with the top any more [in the future].
And "I have been lacking in practice and feel like I am behind [the top competition, obviously]" IS pretty much equal to "MC can't keep up with the competition right now because of all the traveling", so yes it is the same thing.
And even if you didn't take it as such, then I'm telling you now I meant it as such. -_-
On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:
Again, if you watch the games (as you like to emphasize), MC lost to a 1-1-1 all-in from Bomber, dominated Inca in a PvP, and annihilated Kyrix. He then proceeds to best Huk who has shown that his PvP is among the world's best (HSC III).
What does this information have to do with anything I've said?
If it was supposed to demonstrate how MC is playing at a top level and doing his best right now, then no, those aren't really good enough arguments at all.
On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:
For the second part of you argument -- What has MVP done since his win over a diluted player pool in the "World Tournament"? Knocked down to Code A, and failed to advance out of a GSL group with nothing but T / Z (his stronger matchups), and failing to hold down the fort against FXO.qxc. I'm not hating on MVP here, I'm just pointing out that MVP has shown plenty of struggles in "keeping up with the competition" as you say MC is. Again, your argument is not a counter argument - you do not even address my question.
Again, that isn't any part of my argument at all (at least in regards to MVP vs MC discussion that you pretty much made up on your own).
I did bring up MVP myself as a player who is a class above other Protoss players even right now, which is something you obviously agree with:
On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:
I would be one of the first to tell you that Hongun / Sangho / Inca / Tester are not on the same level as Nestea / Losira / Bomber / MVP. I am not arguing that these Protoss players are of lesser skill than the counter parts you mention. I simply emphasize that your argument of Protoss' needing to "step it up" is both naive and ignorant -- and this was done in my original post.
So you agree that Hongun, Sangho, Inca and Tester are not on the same level as Nestea, Losira, MVP and Bomber.
But at the same time you think that my statement that Hongun/Sangho/Tester need to "step it up" if they want to ever win against Nestea/Losira/Bomber/MVP is naive and ignorant?
You're making no sense at all.
Your original argument was that Protoss players aren't winning anything. Obviously they (as in Hongun/Sangho/Tester class of players) can either step it up, or they can stay at the level they're at right now (mediocre with a tendency to fall even further behind the top).
Just like MC has to settle down in Korea and step it up to catch up with NesTea (and even Losira and Bomber who are on the rise right now).
Basically all your arguments just point to my own conclusion, but then you decide to disagree in the end for whatever reason.
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Isn't it idra who always says zerg is underpowered and his evidence is tourneys? I'm not saying protoss is underpowered in any way shape or form, but his argument has noooo water.
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Terran being top lol i can understand. But Protoss so bad = (
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somehow this screams for a protoss buff... 
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yeah first and foremost, KR is an awfully small set of data.
but for the sake of validity, wouldn't it be necessary to weight the winner's race against the total number of participants of that race?
for example, a x% percentage of terran winners means close to nothing if terran entries outnumber the rest of the field ten-fold.
on the other hand, let's say one zerg winner would be of more importance when he was the only zerg entering the competition to begin with.
not to bash your effort. anything else would require quite a ridiculous amount of research, but so far your numbers carry little significance (not only from set size) but especially regarding the desired interpretation.
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On August 09 2011 06:59 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:All I ask is that you make a somewhat coherent counter argument that is backed up by statements that address my points. When you copy / paste my question into your ensuing post, address it. I would ask you to do the same thing actually. -_- Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:
How does this, in any way/shape/form, suggest that MVP is anymore of a "genuinely top player" than MC? When MC was winning (2 GSL Titles) - he was also considered the best player in the world (over Nestea even). How is this an argument that MVP is more of a "genuinely top player?" I never implied that MVP was more of a top player than MC, that's something you pretty much made up on your own when you brought MVP up. It wasn't an argument I ever made. Admittedly I did answer to your (loaded) question of "how is MVP more of a top player" - although the only thing I specifically said was that he WAS better at some point in time, so I don't see where exactly am I wrong in this. Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:
I have no reason to argue my points with MC, you are not quoting him as you suggest -- you're making an entirely subjective statement. Him saying "I have been lacking in practice and feel like I am behind" and you stating "MC can't keep up with the competition" is not the same thing. I'm stating that MC can't keep up with the competition right now, which doesn't imply that he doesn't have the ability to keep up with the top any more [in the future]. And "I have been lacking in practice and feel like I am behind [the top competition, obviously]" IS pretty much equal to "MC can't keep up with the competition right now because of all the traveling", so yes it is the same thing. And even if you didn't take it as such, then I'm telling you now I meant it as such. -_- Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:
Again, if you watch the games (as you like to emphasize), MC lost to a 1-1-1 all-in from Bomber, dominated Inca in a PvP, and annihilated Kyrix. He then proceeds to best Huk who has shown that his PvP is among the world's best (HSC III). What does this information have to do with anything I've said? If it was supposed to demonstrate how MC is playing at a top level and doing his best right now, then no, those aren't really good enough arguments at all. Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:
For the second part of you argument -- What has MVP done since his win over a diluted player pool in the "World Tournament"? Knocked down to Code A, and failed to advance out of a GSL group with nothing but T / Z (his stronger matchups), and failing to hold down the fort against FXO.qxc. I'm not hating on MVP here, I'm just pointing out that MVP has shown plenty of struggles in "keeping up with the competition" as you say MC is. Again, your argument is not a counter argument - you do not even address my question. Again, that isn't any part of my argument at all (at least in regards to MVP vs MC discussion that you pretty much made up on your own). I did bring up MVP myself as a player who is a class above other Protoss players even right now, which is something you obviously agree with: Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 06:35 QTIP. wrote:
I would be one of the first to tell you that Hongun / Sangho / Inca / Tester are not on the same level as Nestea / Losira / Bomber / MVP. I am not arguing that these Protoss players are of lesser skill than the counter parts you mention. I simply emphasize that your argument of Protoss' needing to "step it up" is both naive and ignorant -- and this was done in my original post. So you agree that Hongun, Sangho, Inca and Tester are not on the same level as Nestea, Losira, MVP and Bomber. But at the same time you think that my statement that Hongun/Sangho/Tester need to "step it up" if they want to ever win against Nestea/Losira/Bomber/MVP is naive and ignorant? You're making no sense at all. Your original argument was that Protoss players aren't winning anything. Obviously they (as in Hongun/Sangho/Tester class of players) can either step it up, or they can stay at the level they're at right now (mediocre with a tendency to fall even further behind the top). Just like MC has to settle down in Korea and step it up to catch up with NesTea (and even Losira and Bomber who are on the rise right now). Basically all your arguments just point to my own conclusion, but then you decide to disagree in the end for whatever reason.
I don't wish to derail this thread any further... so I'll keep it short.
Unfortunately - you've missed my original argument entirely.
(I find it hilarious that you would think that "Protoss players aren't winning anything" is an argument. Please understand the distinction here. This would be a statement. This simply makes me question if you understand what an argument / counter-argument is and hurts your ability to engage in constructive / conclusive debate.)
My original argument was summed up in the concluding sentence of my original post and was made as a counter-argument to yours:
On August 09 2011 04:18 QTIP. wrote:
I am not nailing down imbalance as the sole cause, nor if it is a cause at all, but given the practice culture in Korea - Protoss players in Korea do not suffer from a "lack of effort."
It was not only separated from the rest of my text for formatting purposes, but sections of it were bolded to get my point across to anyone who chose to skim the post. You obviously didn't read it, and didn't skim it, to somehow conclude "Your original argument was that Protoss players aren't winning anything." (this is not an argument)
Apologies to OP for derailing.
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So you agree that Hongun, Sangho, Inca and Tester are not on the same level as Nestea, Losira, MVP and Bomber.
Why are you bringing up a bunch of mid-level Toss and comparing them to the best Z and Ts? A guy like Sangho who literally doesn't have a single result worth mentioning isn't as good as the best Zerg in the world? Color me shocked.
I would say that Puzzle has shown a skillset, in terms of multitasking, mechanics and gamesense, that is roughly on part with guys like Losira and Bomber. Now that Puzzle is in Code S, we'll see whether he can post good results.
The equivalents of the HongUns and IncAs of the world are people like Ensnare and Kyrix. Good enough to give great players decent matches, but no one seriously thinks they're champion material. If someone like Ensnare rolled someone like Puzzle, that would be genuinely worrisome from a balance perspective.
What I find a little worrisome is how EASILY Ret rolled Naniwa. Ret is talented, but by his own admission barely practices, and is nowhere near one of the best Zergs in the world. Naniwa is a practice nut and may well be a top 5 Protoss, and until this point has looked like a vastly more complete player than Ret. And Ret made him look like a joke--and it wasn't like he even did anything innovative. If the guy who barely tries can stomp a more skilled guy who is absolutely busting his ass...that is not a good sign for balance.
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On August 09 2011 07:15 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +So you agree that Hongun, Sangho, Inca and Tester are not on the same level as Nestea, Losira, MVP and Bomber.
Why are you bringing up a bunch of mid-level Toss and comparing them to the best Z and Ts? A guy like Sangho who literally doesn't have a single result worth mentioning isn't as good as the best Zerg in the world? Color me shocked. I would say that Puzzle has shown a skillset, in terms of multitasking, mechanics and gamesense, that is roughly on part with guys like Losira and Bomber. Now that Puzzle is in Code S, we'll see whether he can post good results. The equivalents of the HongUns and IncAs of the world are people like Ensnare and Kyrix. Good enough to give great players decent matches, but no one seriously thinks they're champion material. If someone like Ensnare rolled someone like Puzzle, that would be genuinely worrisome from a balance perspective. What I find a little worrisome is how EASILY Ret rolled Naniwa. Ret is talented, but by his own admission barely practices, and is nowhere near one of the best Zergs in the world. Naniwa is a practice nut and may well be a top 5 Protoss, and until this point has looked like a vastly more complete player than Ret. And Ret made him look like a joke--and it wasn't like he even did anything innovative. If the guy who barely tries can stomp a more skilled guy who is absolutely busting his ass...that is not a good sign for balance.
I'll quote you for the truth because I'm a NaNi fanboy.
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I think the reason zerg and protoss win rates change so drastically month to month is their susceptibility to metagame shifts and all ins.
In a tournament setting, terran as a race is just more versatile. The notion that somehow there are more "better" players that pick terran is ridiculous. P and Z at the highest levels played perfectly is probably balanced vs T, but the race isn't nearly as forgiving as terran is.
Nestea/Losira/MC play P and Z at a really high level but anyone not playing as well as them (aka mediocre toss relative to Nestea/Losira/MC) cant compete with mediocre terrans on a consistent basis.
It's still too early to make any sweeping changes but there are some general holes in P and Z are a race that should warrant a look. If a zerg makes a slight error in scouting, it is essentially gg vs a timing push. If a toss makes a slight error in FF, it could easily be gg. Terran's have similar situations as well but far fewer in number in the early game.
eg if terran 1 base vs zerg or terran and the remaining worker count is T at say 25-30 vs the P or Z at like 10 workers but 2 bases, the terran has essentially won. The opposite doesn't apply. I'm not saying MULES are op but T has tools that let them recover from "bad" situations that arise which lead to more "forgiving" game play
Now it can be argued that greedy play should be punished as it should but when you have a larger safety net than the other races, this leads to many situations where one side gets punished more than the other.
Even end game, if a terran ends up being behind, he can stall with units by dropping if hes using bio or just general helion run bys. Zerg can do the same as well with lings but simcity can stop lings, it doesn't stop MMM drops. Also ling runbys are deadliest vs toss who are the least mobile race.
TLDR: T has a larger safety net in the way the race plays compared to P and Z
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Wait, so you took the stats from the Korean portion of SC2 Statistics, which already has a thread on this very board, and made conclusions already being discussed in that very thread? Why the hell is this topic still here? You're adding nothing new to the discussion. -_-
Even then, how about looking at results across regions as well, or specifying that this is Kor only.
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It put's a smile to my face to see all of you "protoss is imba" people trying to rationalize these numbers with everything BUT the fact that protss is the weakest race. The fact that all of you have been talking shit the last 3-4 months is a big hit to the ego isn't it?
On the numbers:
These numbers show the same result as the number posted by sc2statistics. Protoss is unequivocally the weakest race in the game. So what is the problem? One is the fact that Protoss lacks a good way of harassing their opponent early to mid game, stargate/dt harass is easy to counter and simply to expensive to be worthwhile anymore because it hardly ever works. But we can't wait 1 year for blizzard to give Protoss a new harass unit. So something else needs to be done before that, and I'm not sure what that would be 
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