• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:47
CET 15:47
KST 23:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win
Tourneys
$100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 838 users

GomTV vs. NFL Gamepass - a service comparison - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
moltenlead
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada866 Posts
August 07 2011 15:59 GMT
#61
On August 08 2011 00:57 redFF wrote:
Just ut of interest why is game pass not available in the U.S where 95% of the audience for football is...


Probably because the NFL is tied up with media organizations and is covering countries where American Football isn't shown.
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
August 07 2011 16:11 GMT
#62
On August 08 2011 00:57 redFF wrote:
Just ut of interest why is game pass not available in the U.S where 95% of the audience for football is...


Because the media rights to US/Canada have already been purchased by other organizations for billions of dollars.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
jacen
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Austria3644 Posts
August 07 2011 16:12 GMT
#63
On August 07 2011 17:03 gogatorsfoster wrote:
Hq vod is 1280x720
Hq stream is 960x540

taken straight from their site.

http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors5/premiumzone/?tab=specs

Thanks, edited the OP accordingly.

On August 07 2011 21:35 CycoDude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 18:54 jacen wrote:
Sometimes player introductions don't play on the international stream and the English casters are insufficiently shielded against the korean casters and the audience. They could improve on some of the audio issues i think (maybe a closed booth for the casters with a big window?).

NO! there is a reason there are microphones in front of the audience. not being able to hear them would make it worse, in my opinion. it's like watching mlg and hearing the crowd after a baneling mine just killed a ton of marines (or booing tasteless after a corny joke, hahaha that was great :p ).

I just want the caster microphones shielded against the crowd and the korean commentators (which are being played through speakers inside the studio). I know there are microphones in front of the crowd, but i also hear them through the casters mics which should not happen.

On August 07 2011 21:35 CycoDude wrote:
Show nested quote +
There is no convenient season table for the GSTL and a tournament tree for the GSL or at least they hide them good.

the schedule is right there on the gom website. main banner has both the gsl and gstl; click the one you're watching then click on schedule at the top. you can view the upcoming brackets, and watch the vods if you missed a set (need hq pass).

That's not what i meant. There is not table showing the current standing in the GSTL for instance. I can't find out on their site which team has how many points and how many games they are + or -.

If there is such a site on gomtv.net, i haven't found it even though i looked for it - hence it is not linked well enough.
(micronesia) lol we aren't going to just permban you (micronesia) "we" excludes Jinro
jacen
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Austria3644 Posts
August 07 2011 16:13 GMT
#64
On August 07 2011 16:33 VenerableSpace wrote:
what the hell is someone in austria doing watching the NFL?

Austria has a strong fanbase for the NFL and EFL. Two of teams of Austria regularly compete for the Eurobowl.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurobowl
(micronesia) lol we aren't going to just permban you (micronesia) "we" excludes Jinro
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
August 07 2011 16:33 GMT
#65
I only watch events live so... ;o
CycoDude
Profile Joined November 2010
United States326 Posts
August 07 2011 16:41 GMT
#66
On August 08 2011 01:12 jacen wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 07 2011 21:35 CycoDude wrote:
Show nested quote +
There is no convenient season table for the GSTL and a tournament tree for the GSL or at least they hide them good.

the schedule is right there on the gom website. main banner has both the gsl and gstl; click the one you're watching then click on schedule at the top. you can view the upcoming brackets, and watch the vods if you missed a set (need hq pass).

That's not what i meant. There is not table showing the current standing in the GSTL for instance. I can't find out on their site which team has how many points and how many games they are + or -.

If there is such a site on gomtv.net, i haven't found it even though i looked for it - hence it is not linked well enough.

ah ok. yeah, for the team league there could be a better results page. as it stands now, you have to go through the records link at the top and click on team info, which is tedious if you just want a snap-shot of the entire league.
Kewlots
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia534 Posts
August 07 2011 16:44 GMT
#67
Very nice review I should compare this with the league pass broad band also,

One thing I kinda disagree with is the muted add breaks, I feel that if your gonna have break they should be muted then you can alt tab play some games and then when the show comes back you will hear it and not miss anything.

Compare this to NASL where they have music playing with nothing but words on the screen telling you when the game will be if you wanna look away and watch something else you gotta mute it then you could miss when it starts up again (I realize that NASL break are only a minute but I have noticed other tourneys putting music and advertisements during the breaks and I often mute it then miss the start of a game because I don't hear it start up again so I think the GOMtv has a pretty nice set up as it is
gl hf gg
features
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Ireland160 Posts
August 07 2011 16:50 GMT
#68
Up to a few weeks ago I was saddled with a 512kb broadband speed and Ive always been impressed by the quality of GOMs low quality stream; much better than anything else I was capable of streaming.

The high resolution however, while it may take 2-3 times the bandwidth there really isnt a 2-3 times bump in clarity.

But Im still pleased with the service, the only thing I was put back by was the price of a GSTL pass. I know it lasts for 3 monuths but is it worth 3 GSL tickets :/ The teams dont even seem to take it that seriously...... Im looking at you Startale random... vampire guy.
Conveyor belt star
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
August 07 2011 16:54 GMT
#69
GomTV may advertise 1280x720 for their HQ vods, and the video may actually be output in 720, but many is it too blurry for that. They must have some terrible encoding because 720 on youtube looks far, far better.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Gfire
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1699 Posts
August 07 2011 16:56 GMT
#70
The Gom Player has DVR function, doesn't it?
all's fair in love and melodies
niteblaze
Profile Joined August 2010
United States143 Posts
August 07 2011 17:00 GMT
#71
The NFL makes so much money it's not even funny so it can support these type of things for lesser relative value. Buy GomTV passes to support ESPORTS! :D
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
August 07 2011 17:04 GMT
#72
GSL's HD quality is pretty bad, even 720P you can't even compare it to other streaming tourney. Why can't they edit the VODs to the true 720P, not 480p-stretch-out-pixel.
Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
August 07 2011 17:07 GMT
#73
Maybe I'm missing something, but what is the point of comparing the quality of the webcast of the highest rated, most expensive American TV broadcasts with an sc2 startup?

The NFL has the infrastructure, revenue, and staff to broadcast more than a dozen games all from different stadiums across the country and put them them all on TV in 1080p, every Sunday. Nearly half of them will air to full national audiences numbering well more than 10 million. The production requirements for a traveling TV broadcast, especially from a stadium that seats 50-60,000 people, are vastly higher than for starcraft.

GOMtv has a little studio where a dozen or so spectators come to watch a few (semi-) progamers play and talk about starcraft 2. A few hundred thousand worldwide will see the matches. Only a portion will pay for it.

Starcraft 2 is a passionate, but relatively tiny, community. NFL is the dominant American sport. We here find great value in the GSL, but suggesting they're on similar terms is... kinda silly.
We're here! We're queer! We don't want any more bears!
jacen
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Austria3644 Posts
August 07 2011 17:08 GMT
#74
On August 08 2011 01:56 Gfire wrote:
The Gom Player has DVR function, doesn't it?

Can you manually move the slider back during live broadcasts? I was not aware they display a slider at all during live sessions.

On August 08 2011 02:00 niteblaze wrote:
The NFL makes so much money it's not even funny so it can support these type of things for lesser relative value. Buy GomTV passes to support ESPORTS! :D


http://i.imgur.com/OGv2c.jpg

I may have been with gom premium longer than most
(micronesia) lol we aren't going to just permban you (micronesia) "we" excludes Jinro
jacen
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Austria3644 Posts
August 07 2011 17:14 GMT
#75
On August 08 2011 02:07 Wren wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but what is the point of comparing the quality of the webcast of the highest rated, most expensive American TV broadcasts with an sc2 startup?


Actually, it was to show that gom isn't that far behind in technical specs and their premium service does offer great value. I find it odd that you see this the other way around.
(micronesia) lol we aren't going to just permban you (micronesia) "we" excludes Jinro
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 17:44:03
August 07 2011 17:43 GMT
#76
For the tournament trees you have to go in the news (yeah, they should make a section for that)
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors5/news/65841
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors5/news/65837
tarath
Profile Joined April 2009
United States377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 18:05:35
August 07 2011 17:55 GMT
#77
Umm, your completely ignoring NFL rewind which is $40 + $15 for playoffs and gets you commercial free VODs of every single game they day after they air so ~80 hours per week of entertainment.

Simply destroys GOM in value for people who mainly watch VODs. Personally I far prefer vods to watching live.

https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/packages
beridoxy
Profile Joined August 2010
France54 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 17:57:01
August 07 2011 17:55 GMT
#78
On August 06 2011 18:54 jacen wrote:
Bandwidth/Codec
For VODs HQ delivers ~2000 kbit/sec, while SQ goes for ~1000 kbit/sec. The Strean offers 500

No, the VOD bandwith is half. Look at this page. I can confirm you it's 1M on average (variable). I would really like more birate here, but well at least it loads ok.
And yes it use MPEG-4 H264 for video and MPEG3 for audio.

denzelz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States604 Posts
August 07 2011 17:56 GMT
#79
On August 08 2011 02:14 jacen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 02:07 Wren wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but what is the point of comparing the quality of the webcast of the highest rated, most expensive American TV broadcasts with an sc2 startup?


Actually, it was to show that gom isn't that far behind in technical specs and their premium service does offer great value. I find it odd that you see this the other way around.


Great point. I've really enjoyed the GSL so far. I think I get a lot of value for every season's subscription. I would like to see GOM create something like a year-long pass at a discounted rate for us loyal fans like jacen. People who are not sure they want to buy an entire year can still buy every season on its own, but I think a bulk package will make some sense as well.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
August 07 2011 18:08 GMT
#80
People- stop complaining about the GSL- the games are great- the prize pool is huge every month- and i think the production quality is perfectly fine. The live stream and the VODs, have never failed me. Sure its not full HD- but it is HQ and completely watchable. As for the NFL season pass- it is also great for teh footbal enthusiast- great value- and you see more than you want to with that =] buy both- GSL is like $120 a year ($10 x 12 months) so definitively worth it considering the amount of games.
Long live the Boss Toss!
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
12:00
Christmas Eve Games
SHIN vs Percival
Creator vs Scarlett
WardiTV1292
Rex134
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko466
Hui .245
mouzStarbuck 140
Rex 134
Livibee 94
trigger 34
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 53229
Sea 14351
Horang2 1906
Aegong 1608
Bisu 1502
Larva 870
Hyun 795
Soma 581
Stork 454
firebathero 372
[ Show more ]
actioN 369
Shuttle 344
Mini 341
Snow 339
hero 258
BeSt 230
Rush 182
JYJ 177
ggaemo 157
Barracks 67
Pusan 56
sorry 46
ToSsGirL 38
PianO 37
sas.Sziky 36
HiyA 32
Movie 31
Shinee 24
soO 23
Terrorterran 19
GoRush 14
Sacsri 13
scan(afreeca) 12
zelot 11
SilentControl 9
Noble 8
JulyZerg 7
Dota 2
XcaliburYe1138
syndereN597
League of Legends
rGuardiaN147
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King144
Other Games
singsing2431
hiko536
Happy399
crisheroes150
XaKoH 109
BRAT_OK 42
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 6
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Light_VIP 16
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1780
League of Legends
• Jankos4588
• Nemesis2526
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
18h 14m
WardiTV Invitational
21h 14m
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-12-22
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.