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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
Xelnaga - i never liked it. Too annoying to defend your natural against zerg. And its an easy map for terran to all in you. Typhon peaks - i dont know if i hate it or like it. I was curious about the new maps, so i vetoed this one. Shattered temple - terran close position. | ||
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
On August 03 2011 01:04 AmericanUmlaut wrote: This is just silly. You don't have to invest 2 probes in scouting on Tal'darim to be safe from a 6-pool. To the best of my knowledge (I believe this was the scenario I played out a few days ago), you have time to get a cannon up at your forge and a plyon built in your mineral line if you 9-scout, even if you scout Zerg last, and then it's just a matter of some pretty easy worker micro to keep your workers and cannon alive until the cannon finishes. And you have a 66% chance of scouting the pool even earlier and having an even easier time responding to it. And if Zerg 6-pools you and just does a 1a into your probe line, you've won already. The number of probes you have when an early pool's lings hit on a map that big is more than enough to simply kill the lings off. I get that early pools are annoying if you don't know how to deal with them, but saying the Zerg can just 1-a and it's super hard to defend is just mischaracterizing the situation. Back OT: I don't have any vetos yet, but I'm very, very close to vetoing Backwater. I actually have a decent winrate in every matchup on that map, but I just can't stand it. Walling off makes my teeth itch, and there's simply nothing fun about playing on the map. I'm witholding judgement a few weeks on Searing Crater - I find it fun because of its very odd layout, but I've only rolled cross positions on it so far, and I have the feeling that close positions could be pretty silly. Ohhhhh.. I'm tired of this.. You scout 1st location if you dont find him there you get ur probe building forge and scout with both the 2 remaining locations. Any other method of scouting is relying on luck. I don't know how you like to defend 6 pool on taldarim but i prefer to wall with buildings and build a cannon. That doesnt always work so i have to bring probes until the cannon is ready. That is when he clicks 1a. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
btw terran veto thread last again lols :3 | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2574 Posts
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
No other vetoes yet, although the other new maps are all on the chopping block for the last spot. | ||
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vizir
Finland154 Posts
Nerazim Crypt Searing Crater All new maps are just plain bad for Protoss imo. It's impossible to take safe 4th and most of the time even third is very very hard to take as P. Some old maps suck for P as well such as xel naga, backwater and shattered temple (mainly in PvT) but at least it is a possibility in those maps to play good macro games. Abyssal caverns sucks also and only reason I left it in the pool is because at first glimpse it looked like 4gate against Z could be pretty good in it since ramp is pretty far from nat. | ||
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TrickyGilligan
United States641 Posts
No vetoes yet this season, not sure if I'll even use any. None of the maps I find are as atrocious as Scrap or Delta. After enough time, maybe a month or so, I'll check my W/L on all the maps and potentially veto any that are clear outliers. Until then though, playing on more maps is fun. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On August 03 2011 02:19 vizir wrote: Antiga Shipyard Nerazim Crypt Searing Crater All new maps are just plain bad for Protoss imo. It's impossible to take safe 4th and most of the time even third is very very hard to take as P. Some old maps suck for P as well such as xel naga, backwater and shattered temple (mainly in PvT) but at least it is a possibility in those maps to play good macro games. Abyssal caverns sucks also and only reason I left it in the pool is because at first glimpse it looked like 4gate against Z could be pretty good in it since ramp is pretty far from nat. Eh... I like Abyssal... it's a better version of Metal IMO. Though zergs will HATE it lol. Tight natural and one of the paths are blocked by rocks in close positions so no counter-attack shenanigans unless they take the long way around lol. | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On August 03 2011 00:24 Anihc wrote: Everyone is vetoing searing, but no one has given a single valid reason yet why searing is bad. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's a bad map. Seriously can anyone explain why searing is bad? the problem with searing is actually the close spawns (both left or both right) where the rush distance is ridiculously good...think tank pushes on steppes of war....as well as the timings for 8~ roachling allins are much more potent, other than that i dont really see any other reason to veto it, but that is reason enough for me, hope this was helpful | ||
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SaetZero
United States855 Posts
thats it | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
Im keeping Antiga up for now, until I face more of that terran siege crap. but so far, I like it. Backwater and Searing are down for sure, altho Searing looks like it may be ok, ill have to experiment more on that map. My other veto is on that really open stupid new map, forget the name (nerazim crypt??) - what a retarded map that is, its like total anti-protoss, everything is like 2 screens wide for total zerg domination, the main is so wide that terran drops just rip you apart, and ontop of that expos are sparse and uncovered. NO thanks to that map, it'l be downed 100% of the time its in the ladder pool for me. | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On August 03 2011 02:01 Joseph123 wrote: Ohhhhh.. I'm tired of this.. You scout 1st location if you dont find him there you get ur probe building forge and scout with both the 2 remaining locations. Any other method of scouting is relying on luck. I don't know how you like to defend 6 pool on taldarim but i prefer to wall with buildings and build a cannon. That doesnt always work so i have to bring probes until the cannon is ready. That is when he clicks 1a. watch huk vs moon, if you just get the forge up early enough you can have the ENTIRE wall and a cannon up by the time it hits... edit: i dont get why everyone is vetoing nerazim crypt its great PvZ and decent PvT, all in all a great all around map imo your 3rd isnt hard to take and your 4th is just the natural of another main, securing your 5th which is the other main, its relatively nice to play for me (also helps that i rarely get PvP on it xD love that feature) | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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BabyToss!
Czech Republic588 Posts
Should've put up a poll, would be interesting to see. | ||
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Roggle
United States142 Posts
I'm rather fond of the new maps, as they give great opportunities for tailoring your strategy for specific maps/spawn positions. Makes things much more interesting than doing almost the same thing every game regardless of map, in my mind. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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chaopow
United States556 Posts
Veto backwater for PvT, because its nearly impossible to stop a 1 base all in especially on this map. Personally, I love Searing because I abuse the terrain vs zerg. I have only played PvP and PvZ on it though. For PvZ, I just block off the small entance to the natural and defend the large entrance, and go for a 6gate blink timing push. I hit from the small entrance of the zergs natural and hide behind the mineral line/gas and forcefield away. Right now in masters but only 21 games played 13-8. | ||
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Prevolved
United States573 Posts
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guluru
United States83 Posts
Antiga Shipyard Backwater Gulch Searing Crater is just plain bad. I don't like Antiga Shipyard against terran. Backwater Gulch just has a weird feel to it at the natural which makes me not like it much. Nerzim and Abyssal are probably two of my favorite maps now with FFE. I'm not sure why people veto Tal Darim honestly, such a great map imo and very easy to expand. High Diamond atm D: | ||
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