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SC2 Season 3 - Protoss Map Vetos

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Amoment
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany175 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 19:00:22
August 02 2011 13:50 GMT
#1
Hey again,

now where season 3 started, I want to share my Map Vetos with you as a Protoss and want to see your opinion:
Antiga Shipyard
Backwater Gulch
Searing Center

I really dislike Antiga Shipyard so much, Terran is favoured so much due tank positioning and drop play, its unbelievable. Against Zerg the map is "ok" imo, both have good chances, but all ways are so small, there is no big place to engage like on taldarim altar, and still you need 6-8 forcefields to fully block the space between gold expansion and the enemys 3rd.
In PvP its actually just about if you can kill him with Blink Stalker micro and a timing push, if not, he can go for a ton of Koloss (you can do the same, but I dont like robo builds).

Backwater Gulch is actually really good for protoss with Koloss and Sentrys, but you can get into a trap, too, very easily. Also I find it hard to leave my base against a Zerg and he can just expand all over the place if he wants to. Also I find it very difficult to defend my 3rd.

Searing Center, I´ve played on it twice, once vs Terran and once vs Zerg, its awful, I cant leave a real arguement, I forgot what happened in the games, but it was just so horrible to play on the map.
The only thing I remember is when I had my natural defended with all my units and he just attack from 2 sides so his MMM build destroyed my chargelot+storm build (we had same army supply and me better micro), but since toss armys are stronger together, this split up killed me.

Edit (poll):

Edit 2: I am sorry, I don´t know if it is possible that you may vote 3 times, first time I made a poll, if a Admin could edit, would be awesome ♥

Poll: Which Season 3 Maps do you veto as P?

Searing Center (15)
 
37%

Backwater Gulch (8)
 
20%

Typhon Peaks (7)
 
17%

Tal'Darim Altar LE (4)
 
10%

Nerazim Crypt (3)
 
7%

Xel Naga Caverns (2)
 
5%

Abyssal Caverns (1)
 
2%

Antiga Shipyard (1)
 
2%

Shakuras Plateau (0)
 
0%

The Shattered Temple (0)
 
0%

41 total votes

Your vote: Which Season 3 Maps do you veto as P?

(Vote): Xel Naga Caverns
(Vote): Abyssal Caverns
(Vote): Antiga Shipyard
(Vote): Backwater Gulch
(Vote): Nerazim Crypt
(Vote): Searing Center
(Vote): Shakuras Plateau
(Vote): Tal'Darim Altar LE
(Vote): The Shattered Temple
(Vote): Typhon Peaks


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Darneck
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1394 Posts
August 02 2011 13:54 GMT
#2
I've got Backwater and Searing vetoed

Something I'm wondering though is how does everyone do their FFE on antiga? Since those 2 lights seriously fuck up the placement of the buildings.
MicroTastiC
Profile Joined January 2011
375 Posts
August 02 2011 14:40 GMT
#3
Antiga Shipyard, Nezarim Crypt, Backwater Gulch.

Nezarim Crypt, is too abusive for terrans and zergs on high grounds. siege tanks and infested terrans, immobility of protoss makes it very hard to defend against that
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
August 02 2011 14:44 GMT
#4
I personally vetoed backwater and searing. Trying to decide what my 3rd is going to be.

I like nezarim crypt vs p and z, but vs t if you dont have cross positions its ridiculous. Way to easy to avoid the watchtower for terrans when 2 or 3 raxing. Can't get a sentry to ff in time.
I'm a gooner.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
August 02 2011 14:47 GMT
#5
played abyssal caverns once and vetoed it immediately, too much stupid potential air abuse, especially from terran. didn't wait to play searing to veto it. left taldarim over from the previous season.
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Alexj
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Ukraine440 Posts
August 02 2011 15:00 GMT
#6
Playing without vetos atm, but Searing Zone looks really bad.

Also, I sense the need for a poll in the first post
More GGs, more skill
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 15:06:04
August 02 2011 15:04 GMT
#7
Searing Zone

Searing Center


This is going to be that one map that everyone forgets the name of. Almost as bad as calling a Xel'Naga Watch Tower a "Cavern".

--

I vetoed Searing, Backwater and Typhon.

Everything else can be FFE'd on or proxy rush on XNC because I hate it but it's only 2 spawns.

ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
August 02 2011 15:08 GMT
#8
Why would you veto backwater? It's so awesome!
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
August 02 2011 15:09 GMT
#9
Searing, Abyssal, Backwater.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Joseph123
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria1144 Posts
August 02 2011 15:10 GMT
#10
backwater - no need to explain why
shattered temple - an open field with minerals
taldarim - 6 pool heaven
EliteReplay
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Dominican Republic913 Posts
August 02 2011 15:11 GMT
#11
the only veto map i have Searing Zone
if play random i can't call any race imba?
BoBisComing2getU
Profile Joined July 2011
United States11 Posts
August 02 2011 15:12 GMT
#12
On August 03 2011 00:00 Alexj wrote:
Also, I sense the need for a poll in the first post


THIS
ToastieNL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands845 Posts
August 02 2011 15:13 GMT
#13
On August 03 2011 00:10 Joseph123 wrote:
backwater - no need to explain why
shattered temple - an open field with minerals
taldarim - 6 pool heaven

what the...?
6 Pool heaven!? Scout at 9 and you should be in time to wall of even with FFE, cut probes/cancel nexus if u have to, ur ahead anyways!?
Zerg lategame is imbalanced as shit. Also: "Protoss is really strong recently. Perhaps, it's time for there to be some changes for Terran." -MMA. Even MMA asks for buffs. Srsly Blizzard. Srsly.
DashedHopes
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada414 Posts
August 02 2011 15:15 GMT
#14
LOL i have the exact same veto's and all for the same reasons
backwater gultch i find terran favored because when they take their gold planetary they are so close to your base and it sucks i can't do anything about it because he has seiged half of the map by the time i take out his gold he is still on 4 base with all his ups for like everything vehciles, infantry and like 20 production buildings and it sucked
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 15:16:29
August 02 2011 15:15 GMT
#15
On August 02 2011 22:50 Amoment wrote:
Hey again,

now where season 3 started, I want to share my Map Vetos with you as a Protoss and want to see your opinion:
Antiga Shipyard
Backwater Gulch
Searing Center

I really dislike Antiga Shipyard so much, Terran is favoured so much due tank positioning and drop play, its unbelievable. Against Zerg the map is "ok" imo, both have good chances, but all ways are so small, there is no big place to engage like on taldarim altar, and still you need 6-8 forcefields to fully block the space between gold expansion and the enemys 3rd.
In PvP its actually just about if you can kill him with Blink Stalker micro and a timing push, if not, he can go for a ton of Koloss (you can do the same, but I dont like robo builds).

Backwater Gulch is actually really good for protoss with Koloss and Sentrys, but you can get into a trap, too, very easily. Also I find it hard to leave my base against a Zerg and he can just expand all over the place if he wants to. Also I find it very difficult to defend my 3rd.

Searing Center, I´ve played on it twice, once vs Terran and once vs Zerg, its awful, I cant leave a real arguement, I forgot what happened in the games, but it was just so horrible to play on the map.
The only thing I remember is when I had my natural defended with all my units and he just attack from 2 sides so his MMM build destroyed my chargelot+storm build (we had same army supply and me better micro), but since toss armys are stronger together, this split up killed me.


What league are you in? Based on your comments it seems like honestly you don't know how to play protoss at all.

On August 02 2011 22:50 Amoment wrote:
Against Zerg the map is "ok" imo, both have good chances, but all ways are so small, there is no big place to engage like on taldarim altar, and still you need 6-8 forcefields to fully block the space between gold expansion and the enemys 3rd.


Small passageways benefit Protoss a lot more than Zerg.

On August 02 2011 22:50 Amoment wrote:
In PvP its actually just about if you can kill him with Blink Stalker micro and a timing push, if not, he can go for a ton of Koloss (you can do the same, but I dont like robo builds).


This is the same on any map.

On August 02 2011 22:50 Amoment wrote:
Backwater Gulch is actually really good for protoss with Koloss and Sentrys, but you can get into a trap, too, very easily. Also I find it hard to leave my base against a Zerg and he can just expand all over the place if he wants to. Also I find it very difficult to defend my 3rd.


Uhh... try breaking the rocks? It's really easy to get to your 3rd that way...

On August 02 2011 22:50 Amoment wrote:
MMM build destroyed my chargelot+storm build (we had same army supply and me better micro)


Chargelot/HT literally takes no micro to use at all. I don't know how you can say that your micro was better.

On August 02 2011 22:50 Amoment wrote:since toss armys are stronger together, this split up killed me.


Only true if you go the colossus route. This is completely false though if you go gateway, terran's army is much stronger when together and it's actually in your favor to split armies and fight separate but smaller battles.


I'm only bashing on you because your post is really whiny, and you seem to not have much experience with the new maps either. Playing 1 or 2 games is not enough to make a solid judgment.
Joseph123
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria1144 Posts
August 02 2011 15:18 GMT
#16
On August 03 2011 00:13 ToastieNL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2011 00:10 Joseph123 wrote:
backwater - no need to explain why
shattered temple - an open field with minerals
taldarim - 6 pool heaven

what the...?
6 Pool heaven!? Scout at 9 and you should be in time to wall of even with FFE, cut probes/cancel nexus if u have to, ur ahead anyways!?

lol do you know when the probe reaches the last spot when u scout at 9? pretty sure lings will have arrived at my base by that time
yes i hate investing 2 probes in scouting that's 1 of the reasons i hate this map
and yes zerg has to click 1a while if i make a mistake i lose the game
sounds fair to me
emmkaygee
Profile Joined August 2010
8 Posts
August 02 2011 15:20 GMT
#17
searing and backwater for myself. still debating my third. I'm thinking antiga so far.
Gemini_19
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1258 Posts
August 02 2011 15:23 GMT
#18
Searing Crater and Antiga Shipyard. Not sure what my third one is gonna be yet but I think it'll be the one with the destructible rocks at the natural. The space in front of your natural is just so big it's impossible to hold, especially vs. Zerg.
@GGemini19 GM Protoss | http://www.twitch.tv/geminisc2 | I <333 HerO & Trap | Check out my Build of the Week series on /r/allthingsprotoss, TL, or Spawning Tool
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
August 02 2011 15:24 GMT
#19
Everyone is vetoing searing, but no one has given a single valid reason yet why searing is bad. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's a bad map. Seriously can anyone explain why searing is bad?
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
August 02 2011 15:24 GMT
#20
Searing is an absolute given. They might as well have just re-added blistering sands or some garbage . Really don't veto anything else, I'll maybe uncheck one or two depending on the mood I am in.

I cant believe people would veto Tal'darim. If you lose to six pool on that map, it's really just your own fault.
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