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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On August 02 2011 14:48 Gfox wrote: With the unit pathing and how well units clump in sc2 the reaver would literally break the game... Why do people keep saying this? They also massively nerfed the siege tank for the same reason you know. Just because they bring back the reaver doesn't mean they'll keep all its stats. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3070 Posts
edit; rather instead of the ultra. Those things look and act like the old ultras  | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On August 02 2011 14:59 JiYan wrote: lurker would be too strong in sc2 if it worked the same way it did in scbw. to be viable it would have to be made weaker or made to attack a single target. the way units stack sc2 would make it way too strong. I could see the lurker being similar to hellions. Line attack, low base damage but with a significant bonus to [unit type]. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On August 02 2011 14:59 JiYan wrote: lurker would be too strong in sc2 if it worked the same way it did in scbw. to be viable it would have to be made weaker or made to attack a single target. the way units stack sc2 would make it way too strong. I think they should be weaker but not attack a single target.. I believe that just takes away the purpose of Lurkers | ||
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
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coreydota
United States180 Posts
edit: omg glockateer beat me to it =.= | ||
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Brobe
United States75 Posts
Add scourges to defend drops Remove Combat Shield (maybe replace it with range upgrade and reduce marine range by 1.) Make carriers viable in at least one MU Make Warp Prisms viable Change Orbital Commands so that building 6+ of them not at bases is no longer viable Make Raven more useful (replace HSM with something more interesting and micro intensive) Make mutalisks actually mutate into something at least for lore's sake Sounds to me however that Blizzard has more drastic changes in mind at least until after Legacy of the Void is released then they will focus on fine tuning. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:03 Glockateer wrote: The only thing I think Terran might need is a more expendable anti-air unit for mech. Thors are kind of "meh" in comparison to the Goliath. The thor shines in that splash damage and their ground damage is great but I miss seeing a group of Goliaths. Thors are big and expensive. It is hard to say they're good anti-air when the real damage is more based on splash instead of single target. Vikings. Their range is just too good to really require any other unit for that role. | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 02 2011 14:59 JiYan wrote: lurker would be too strong in sc2 if it worked the same way it did in scbw. to be viable it would have to be made weaker or made to attack a single target. the way units stack sc2 would make it way too strong. No they don't, whenever TL Attack plays SC2 Brood War I get a major hard on by how fast and unkillable BW ultras are. As Sen says, "SO CUTE, they move so fast, you see!?" | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:09 Whitewing wrote: Vikings. Their range is just too good to really require any other unit for that role. Or stop going straight mech and invest minerals into a couple of reator raxes. Dunno how viable it is since i don't play terran but you already get great anti-air and for cheap too. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:08 Brobe wrote: Add scourges to defend drops Remove Combat Shield (maybe replace it with range upgrade and reduce marine range by 1.) Make carriers viable in at least one MU Make Warp Prisms viable Change Orbital Commands so that building 6+ of them not at bases is no longer viable Make Raven more useful (replace HSM with something more interesting and micro intensive) Make mutalisks actually mutate into something at least for lore's sake muta / infestor / lings honestly do a decent job already in the current state of zvt. what i would do to make warp prisms viable is to make them BLAZING fast like a mutalisk but not quite phoenix level. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:09 SheaR619 wrote: If zerg getting lurker, Terran better be getting a better detection units. Because raven just kind of bad for TvZ. Or atleast make HSM something that is worth upgrading. Irradiate! Plaguuuu! I want bw back | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 02 2011 14:41 Daralii wrote: I don't know why people want so much micro to be involved with a siege unit. It's a very mobile siege unit, but it's still a siege unit. It should be all about positioning, and it is. The problem is that unlike siege tanks (BL's as Z siege unit are just as boring IMO) are interesting because exact positioning matters, and siege/unsiege times means that it's punishing if you don't get it right- look at mech TvT battles- with Collossus, there's no risk. Box over your whole army and keep your collosus behind it and you're golden. If overwhelmed move back and your collossus moves back too. It's not even that I want there to be micro, there's just no risk- either you get out collossus and your opponent has a good counter or he doesn't. The success of Collossi in games is entirely dependant on build orders and your opponent's reaction, not anything you do on your part. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:12 JiYan wrote: muta / infestor / lings honestly do a decent job already in the current state of zvt. what i would do to make warp prisms viable is to make them BLAZING fast like a mutalisk but not quite phoenix level. The thing about warp prisms is that htey have to be nerfed because the reward is so high- dropships are reasonably fast but they can only move a certain number of units at a time; with a warp prism if you manage to get it in place and have a decent number of gateways it's extremely devastating to your opponent. It's the same reason why Nydus Worms are so hard to use- if you do manage to get them up your whole army gets in his base and it's basically GG in alot of cases. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
Also, is Dustin admitting to having made the reaper useless? Anyways, curious to see what additions Protoss and Zerg get, I might switch race depending on the units  | ||
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TERRANLOL
United States626 Posts
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oxxo
988 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:16 DystopiaX wrote: The thing about warp prisms is that htey have to be nerfed because the reward is so high- dropships are reasonably fast but they can only move a certain number of units at a time; with a warp prism if you manage to get it in place and have a decent number of gateways it's extremely devastating to your opponent. It's the same reason why Nydus Worms are so hard to use- if you do manage to get them up your whole army gets in his base and it's basically GG in alot of cases. Warp prisms are only hard to use because of perception and metagame. The whole 'they're made of paper' perception is dumb, they have the same (total) life as medivacs. For whatever reason unless you're going super heavy colossus it's taboo to build more than one robo. Why? Observers are godly, immortals are good, colossus are obviously good, and yes... warp prisms are good too. It's the same thing as when the game first came out and for whatever reason the perception was Z was weak... while everyone only went roach/hydra without touching banelings, mutas, infestors (still good pre-buff), etc. | ||
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GMonster
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