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AngryFarmer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States560 Posts
July 26 2011 06:13 GMT
#801
EG shouldn't have approached puma first. It's like telling a child to make a large commitment without consulting parents first. Once puma heard of a good offer it was hard for him to turn it down so he was going to do everything in his power to take that offer. While the talks went well with TSL, what could they have possibly done? If TSL said no, puma could just say he's not going to practice anymore or something along those lines. Either way, approaching the player first is not the way to go mainly because it affects the mental status of the player and eventually gives the team no choice but release the player.
Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 06:17:04
July 26 2011 06:16 GMT
#802
On July 26 2011 15:13 AngryFarmer wrote:
EG shouldn't have approached puma first. It's like telling a child to make a large commitment without consulting parents first. Once puma heard of a good offer it was hard for him to turn it down so he was going to do everything in his power to take that offer. While the talks went well with TSL, what could they have possibly done? If TSL said no, puma could just say he's not going to practice anymore or something along those lines. Either way, approaching the player first is not the way to go mainly because it affects the mental status of the player and eventually gives the team no choice but release the player.


basically you're saying puma is a small child. dont u think once you're over 18 you don't really need a guardian to make decisions for you?
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Skitz
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia49 Posts
July 26 2011 06:16 GMT
#803
Is it wrong that I want a tl;dr for the tl;dr?
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
July 26 2011 06:18 GMT
#804
Poll: Still not a fan.
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Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
July 26 2011 06:20 GMT
#805
On July 26 2011 14:54 TheResidentEvil wrote:
No matter how you justify it, you poached him. You flat out poached him. I don't care but thats what you did and no matter how you tell the story, you still poached him.


i think you're misunderstanding PUMA the couger brand with PUMA the human being.
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Nightfall.589
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada766 Posts
July 26 2011 06:20 GMT
#806

Once puma heard of a good offer it was hard for him to turn it down so he was going to do everything in his power to take that offer.

And the only party who carries the blame here, is TSL, for not providing him with good enough reasons to stay. If he's not happy with his current set of arrangements, and he has no obligations to stay - good for him.

And quite frankly, a coach's interests, like those of a manager, lie with the team, first and foremost, not with its players.
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ore0z
Profile Joined December 2009
Romania161 Posts
July 26 2011 06:21 GMT
#807
A huge part of the argument is whether or not EG should have contacted TSL first, instead of Puma.
On July 26 2011 14:45 tyCe wrote:
It would be pointless to have a topic of moral responsibility when it just ties in exactly with legal responsibility.

I agree with tyCe that having no legal reason to doesn't mean you have no moral obligation to.

With or without a contract, it would be nice for them to. They don't have to, it isn't required by law, but it's a sort of formality. The only reason why this is an issue is that it's a formality. It seems bigger than it really because Koreans have a different emphasis on respect.
Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
July 26 2011 06:24 GMT
#808
it's not a formality, this tradition or whatever it is, its taking away from Players Rights and their freedom to be informed. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a tradition that came from KeSPA management.
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bovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Japan208 Posts
July 26 2011 06:24 GMT
#809
On July 26 2011 15:20 Lokian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 14:54 TheResidentEvil wrote:
No matter how you justify it, you poached him. You flat out poached him. I don't care but thats what you did and no matter how you tell the story, you still poached him.


i think you're misunderstanding PUMA the couger brand with PUMA the human being.


Lokian, please contribute, not post crap that doesn't make any sense.
Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
July 26 2011 06:26 GMT
#810
On July 26 2011 15:24 bovi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 15:20 Lokian wrote:
On July 26 2011 14:54 TheResidentEvil wrote:
No matter how you justify it, you poached him. You flat out poached him. I don't care but thats what you did and no matter how you tell the story, you still poached him.


i think you're misunderstanding PUMA the couger brand with PUMA the human being.


Lokian, please contribute, not post crap that doesn't make any sense.


let me explain if you cannot put the strings together. you see posts here that degrades PUMA as an animal that is being 'poached' and cant make decisions on his own. I'm telling you, he's over 18 years old and also a human being. This is contribution because most of us forget this fact.
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Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
July 26 2011 06:27 GMT
#811
Ever since this was first leaked all it came across to me as was "TSL UPSET OVER LOSING BEST PLAYER, TRASH TALK EG ON THE INTERNET TO TRY AND RUIN THEIR REPUTATION". Coach Lee should have made his dissatisfaction clear to PuMa himself instead of being nice about it then going behind his back and trash talking EG and tarnishing their reputation.


I respect EG and their business conduct and have since well before reading this response to the situation. Reading a lot of the anti-EG posts here it only seems like people are either trolls, have some form of bias swaying their opinion or don't have a full understanding of the situation (which saddens me, all the info is available so go read it).


Keep doing what you're doing EG and I'll continue to support you as a team as well as your sponsors in any way I can.
Nightfall.589
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada766 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 06:27:35
July 26 2011 06:27 GMT
#812
On July 26 2011 15:24 Lokian wrote:
it's not a formality, this tradition or whatever it is, its taking away from Players Rights and their freedom to be informed. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a tradition that came from KeSPA management.


Actually, this "tradition" comes from real sports (And A-teamer BW players), where players are under contract.

Expecting the same obligations out of players (expecting them to give up their freedom), while not providing them with the same compensation (a contract) is quite ludicrous.
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madrod
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia66 Posts
July 26 2011 06:30 GMT
#813
I can't believe people still think lesser of EG for this. What else are they supposed to do? Everyone is on good terms, at least, the people who matter in this situation. And the only people upset obviously either already have it in for EG for whatever reason [possibly because of Idra's polarising personality or the EG vs Liquid "apparent" rivalry/whatever you want to call it] or they still do not understand the situation properly, were too quick to judge when the first news came out.

There is an obvious lesson to be learned here, and it has nothing to do with player transactions, but people need to sit back and have a think and wait for the full story to come out before prematurely deciding to take a side.

Or, perhaps, people just need something to hate or complain about. It's sad, but maybe there's a lot of people who are far too immature or just plain stupid to post something without thinking. If you have a big ball of hate you're willing to throw at whatever is the next thing that pisses you off, perhaps you should just chill before jumping to ridiculous conclusions. It makes me very sad that people will be hoping negative things about EG because of decisions they made, which weren't all that bad... everyone involved is on good terms now, why are some of the community still hating?
Ripps
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada97 Posts
July 26 2011 06:32 GMT
#814
I think that the WoC episode explains this SOOO much better than just these two posts. It's an in depth back and forth and I would direct anyone interested in this topic to the episode. It can be found here:

http://blip.tv/weaponofchoice/weapon-of-choice-e32-tsl-eg-puma-7-21-2011-5399583

I personally don't think that EG did anything unethical. It's a classic case of miscommunication. EG thought that everything was fine with TSL because that's what they were told by Puma. This turned out to not be the case as was evident by Coach Lee's very aggressive post.

Is Coach Lee's anger unfounded? For the answer to this, I would again direct everyone to the WoC video (specifically the last 8 minutes). It's an amazing summary and I think djWheat was really fair. I can understand that Coach Lee is hurt, but EG did nothing wrong. Puma wanted to go to EG, EG wanted better talent, and TSL lost out because couldn't offer Puma the dream that Puma wants. More importantly, I don't think there's any evidence that EG's acquisition of Puma was shady or unfair.
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
July 26 2011 06:33 GMT
#815
Gosh I really don't care much about this stuff. I do however like that EG tries to get to the next level. I enjoyed Pumas play I hope to see him a lot in foreign stuff
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
July 26 2011 06:34 GMT
#816
Sounds like they are feeling hurt from not having player contracts BW style, otherwise nothing will stop any growing team from having it's ace players bought out.

I think verbal contracts are respected a lot more in the East as well, unlike here where people will say anything knowing that you are not recording the conversation.

Didn't like EG anyways since their net roster is a dislike for me. And still woulda informed Coach Lee that they were going to speak to Puma / interested in him even if no written contract but the business world is not manner like that so I'm neutral about the whole thing.
Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
July 26 2011 06:40 GMT
#817
I feel bad that this became such a massive issue in the first place. This is the sort of thing that should be kept private unless there is a real problem (IE: sniping a contracted player).

I've been a fan of EG's players, but as of reading the OP here, I'm now a fan of EGs management as well. I feel sorry for everyone involved here, coach Lee included.

I don't feel that EG did anything wrong, but like its been said before, neither team is at 0% fault for this happening. If EG had talked with coach Lee first this would not likely have happened, and similarly if coach Lee had not gone to the press, this whole thing wouldn't have blown up either.

I don't feel that EG talking to Puma was wrong, since it was made clear to both of them that for things to progress Puma would need to talk to coach Lee, but I do feel that coach Lee's going to the press was a bad idea (not necessarily "wrong" per se, but a bad idea none the less). If anything I feel that what coach Lee did is just an expression of frustration with the situation TSL finds itself in now.
Nightkaira
Profile Joined March 2011
Singapore412 Posts
July 26 2011 06:40 GMT
#818
Look at FIFA and EPL systems, U have to talk to their clubs to talk to their players. Getting the player to talk to their club is just not respecting the club IMO.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
July 26 2011 06:41 GMT
#819
why should someone else make your own decisions for you? that's daft.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
pookadin
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia422 Posts
July 26 2011 06:45 GMT
#820
Sounds like the whole issue was dealt with really unprofessionally. I can understand why Mr. Lee had a 'knee-jerk' reaction to this. As players aren't salaried (mostly) or contracted, teams are held together by friendship, commitment and respect.

To think that someone has been making plans behind your back can be (personally) a little hard to understand.

Just my 2c worth.

It could have been handled more professionally by EG.
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