EPTIt's just like someone in the thread said, you guys went ''ZomG, hes awesome and has no salary/contract, letz snatch himzor!11'' .
Seriously, just man up and say it, no shame.
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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
It's just like someone in the thread said, you guys went ''ZomG, hes awesome and has no salary/contract, letz snatch himzor!11'' . Seriously, just man up and say it, no shame. | ||
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Pai Mei
Hong Kong16 Posts
Poll: What should have been the right thing to do? EG talks to Coach Lee first in a team to team level (44) EG talks to Puma 1 on 1 and let Puma discuss it with his coach and come in later (33) 77 total votes Your vote: What should have been the right thing to do? (Vote): EG talks to Coach Lee first in a team to team level Poll: Letting a 19 year old talk to coach white EG watch in sidelines is: inapproriate, cowardly and opportunistic (60) appropriate, manner, and best option (31) 91 total votes Your vote: Letting a 19 year old talk to coach white EG watch in sidelines is: (Vote): appropriate, manner, and best option | ||
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TERRANLOL
United States626 Posts
On July 26 2011 16:34 DDie wrote: You keep saying that talking to the player was the ''best first step'', may i ask to whom, exactly? EG or TSL? It's just like someone in the thread said, you guys went ''ZomG, hes awesome and has no salary/contract, letz snatch himzor!11'' . Seriously, just man up and say it, no shame. I'm undecided on this issue as a whole, but I find it very difficult to take your argument seriously when you use language like that. Say he did it on impulse. Don't make up some stupid quote to make it sound like a joke. I guess I'll say what I think about the issue as not to get warned. I don't think it's realistic to expect EG to do everything perfectly all the time. When I say that, I don't mean that it's acceptable to disregard the established cultural standards for exchanging players from teams in korea. It was definitely EG's job to make sure that they did everything they were supposed to. However, with that being said, I don't think it was within the scope of something that is prepared and well thought out when they talked to Puma first. It sounds like the discussion that happened with Puma first was more of a conversation. No actual offer or organized and prepared deal came forth until much later. To the coach who wasn't there however, it might have seemed differently. I don't think it's fair for players to rag on EG for this though. What would it be like if you were harassed for not meeting social standards in a casual situation? | ||
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climax
United States1088 Posts
Now lets all just let PuMa practice, let EG do their business, and watch/support ESPORTS growth to a global state. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
On July 26 2011 16:43 Pai Mei wrote: Two polls. Poll: What should have been the right thing to do? EG talks to Coach Lee first in a team to team level (44) EG talks to Puma 1 on 1 and let Puma discuss it with his coach and come in later (33) 77 total votes Your vote: What should have been the right thing to do? (Vote): EG talks to Coach Lee first in a team to team level Poll: Letting a 19 year old talk to coach white EG watch in sidelines is: inapproriate, cowardly and opportunistic (60) appropriate, manner, and best option (31) 91 total votes Your vote: Letting a 19 year old talk to coach white EG watch in sidelines is: (Vote): appropriate, manner, and best option I think your second poll is broken. Nvm. You got it.  I think this works out better for everybody at the end of the day. If TSL wanted to keep him, they would've given him a better offer or a salary or something. | ||
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fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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Chibithor
Brazil514 Posts
On July 26 2011 16:34 DDie wrote: You keep saying that talking to the player was the ''best first step'', may i ask to whom, exactly? EG or TSL? It's just like someone in the thread said, you guys went ''ZomG, hes awesome and has no salary/contract, letz snatch himzor!11'' . Seriously, just man up and say it, no shame. They didn't say that. They said they agreed PuMa talking to the coach was the best first step. EG no doubt wanted to 'snatch' PuMa, if you have to use that word. What else could they have wanted by offering PuMa a spot at EG? By that logic, no team should ever make an offer to any player in a team. On July 26 2011 16:43 Pai Mei wrote: Two polls. Poll: What should have been the right thing to do? EG talks to Coach Lee first in a team to team level (44) EG talks to Puma 1 on 1 and let Puma discuss it with his coach and come in later (33) 77 total votes Your vote: What should have been the right thing to do? (Vote): EG talks to Coach Lee first in a team to team level Poll: Letting a 19 year old talk to coach white EG watch in sidelines is: inapproriate, cowardly and opportunistic (60) appropriate, manner, and best option (31) 91 total votes Your vote: Letting a 19 year old talk to coach white EG watch in sidelines is: (Vote): appropriate, manner, and best option Wording polls like that makes you sound biased. How is his age related? Why not just call him Puma? | ||
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Salacious
United States12 Posts
Regarding the acquisition of Puma - I don't think EG needs to apologize to anyone for the way this was handled. In fact, being that the player had no financial or legal obligations to TSL whatsoever, what legitimate reason does anyone have (including Mr. Lee) for being upset about this? If there is blame to go around here, it falls on the shoulders of TSL and the Korean Coach for not contracting or signing the player. And as for disrespecting the team . . . how is this relevant at all? The last time I checked there is no such thing as being "rude" or "impolite" in the business world. The equation is "if 1+1 = benefit then what the hell are we waiting for?". Folks right now we're seeing the emergence of a new industry here. And what this boils down to is that the world is not an angelic place where everything is flowers and butterflies. Especially the business world. Make no mistake, this was a business transaction and speaking from a free-market perspective, acquiring a prime asset for little or no cost is an absolute no-brainer. Especially when both the player and the team benefit. To elaborate even further, look at it from a Starcraft perspective. If you're playing against an opponent and there is an expansion available on your opponents' side of the map, are you going to private message "hey, I noticed that you didn't expand to your third base. Mind if I move in? <Smiley face>". No, you're going to take that third base without saying anything and destroy your opponent as efficiently as possible. This is how business works. And to top it all off - based on what I've read, EG did a reasonable job at catering to the egos related to this case, especially Mr. Lee. I guess I'm just not connecting to what many posters are upset about regarding this acquisition. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On July 26 2011 09:04 EGalex wrote: 4) PuMa was not contracted by TSL, and did not receive a salary. I think this needs to be put in the white box on top of the thread. In my opinion, this is the CORE and utmost crucial post in this whole mess and people don't seem to get it. EG did NOT "lure away" Puma from TSL because TSL - consciously - decided to NOT pay Puma. I realize that coach Lee did make it look like this was all based on friendship and whatnot...but let's cut the crap: if any professional athlete isn't contracted and therefore isn't paid, there's a word for this: FREE AGENT TSL majorly screwed up by trying to be cheap. As they even confirmed, they only contracted Clide and SangHo. Then it's their frickin fault if their players want to leave, I mean, would you work at your job if your boss told you "hey, let's just not sign a contract, you work for free and only get some money here and there when I feel like it". EG is 100% in the right there, the fact that TSL even seems to have success at convincing the community that EG is supposed to respect and honor non-existing contracts (again: what the hell?) blows my mind. EDIT: somewhat ninja'd, poster above me states about 90% the same as I do | ||
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Kuhva
United Kingdom183 Posts
I do however agree Milkis deserves an apology... mostly from djWHEAT though for allowing that to go on the show he was hosting! (Still a fan though WHEAT) | ||
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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
On July 26 2011 16:44 TERRANLOL wrote: I'm undecided on this issue as a whole, but I find it very difficult to take your argument seriously when you use language like that. Say he did it on impulse. Don't make up some stupid quote to make it sound like a joke. I guess I'll say what I think about the issue as not to get warned. I don't think it's realistic to expect EG to do everything perfectly all the time. When I say that, I don't mean that it's acceptable to disregard the established cultural standards for exchanging players from teams in korea. It was definitely EG's job to make sure that they did everything they were supposed to. However, with that being said, I don't think it was within the scope of something that is prepared and well thought out when they talked to Puma first. It sounds like the discussion that happened with Puma first was more of a conversation. No actual offer or organized and prepared deal came forth until much later. To the coach who wasn't there however, it might have seemed differently. I don't think it's fair for players to rag on EG for this though. What would it be like if you were harassed for not meeting social standards in a casual situation? It was not meant as a joke, what do you think was EG reaction when they learned Puma had no contract? Don't you think they were thrilled to bring him over? And, as you said, EG should have contacted TSL first, regardless. And as i said, no shame on EG move either, its business. | ||
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Zdravko
United States15 Posts
EG.PuMa fighting! | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
Was it a "you want to join our team? then speak with Mr. Lee first." or a "you want to join our team? here are the terms, if you agree, then all you should talk with Mr. Lee about you leaving the team first."? | ||
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Sideburn
United States442 Posts
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Ganseng
Russian Federation473 Posts
i don't understand why a team can't make a general offer to a player. a player is not a property of his team is he? there were no contract violations etc. in this situation... i totally agree that the reaction was inappropriate. | ||
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discw
United States122 Posts
In spite of that, thank you Alex for writing this. Ya'll did nothing wrong, and it's unfortunate that people overreacted so wildly and created an illusion of EG doing something wrong or immoral. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On July 26 2011 16:50 Chibithor wrote: They didn't say that. They said they agreed PuMa talking to the coach was the best first step. EG no doubt wanted to 'snatch' PuMa, if you have to use that word. What else could they have wanted by offering PuMa a spot at EG? By that logic, no team should ever make an offer to any player in a team. Wording polls like that makes you sound biased. How is his age related? Why not just call him Puma? Apparently there is people that belive that a 19 year old Korean is not supposed to have will of his own, and that EG should have ignored his request to talk to his "father figure" first. | ||
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Radook
Sweden326 Posts
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ElvisWayCool
United States437 Posts
On July 26 2011 16:50 Chibithor wrote: They didn't say that. They said they agreed PuMa talking to the coach was the best first step. EG no doubt wanted to 'snatch' PuMa, if you have to use that word. What else could they have wanted by offering PuMa a spot at EG? By that logic, no team should ever make an offer to any player in a team. Wording polls like that makes you sound biased. How is his age related? Why not just call him Puma? In the same way age is always related. With age, comes wisdom. Young people have not had as many experiences as adults, so they may not always know what's best. However the wording of the answers does seem somewhere strong... So I agree with your bias remark, but your question has a pretty simple answer. And not to be mean, but I'm guessing you're young. Maybe not 12, but not older than 21. Seems like kids really take offense to age related issues, but if you really take an unbiased look at it, it makes sense. I'm 19, just to set us on even footing. | ||
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