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On July 23 2011 14:41 Mohdoo wrote:
Has Catz given an opinion on this? Him being on Complexity and being the most vocal about keeping Koreans out of the foreign scene is absolutely hilarious to me. I really, really, really want to hear what he has to say about this.
the big problem is everytime something like this happens, everyone starts quoting things I never said. if you want my opinion, my opinion has been voiced in multiple places multiple times.
I'm really happy both for complexity and for our new teammates. they will be traveling to international events to represent complexity and they will represent complexity while in korea as well. this is a completely different case scenario than for instance; having regional leagues. I don't see how they relate to each other, I have nothing against koreans, and if they are coming to foreign teams to TRAVEL and PLAY in this hemisphere, I don't only welcome that, I respect that and im glad, that makes e-sports grow on this hemisphere.
PLEASE stop twisting my words, if you don't have the capacity to understand what I've been saying all along, just don't comment on it!
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OMG more Koreans in foreign tournaments = win for all
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On July 23 2011 18:33 coL.CatZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 14:41 Mohdoo wrote:
Has Catz given an opinion on this? Him being on Complexity and being the most vocal about keeping Koreans out of the foreign scene is absolutely hilarious to me. I really, really, really want to hear what he has to say about this. the big problem is everytime something like this happens, everyone starts quoting things I never said. if you want my opinion, my opinion has been voiced in multiple places multiple times. I'm really happy both for complexity and for our new teammates. they will be traveling to international events to represent complexity and they will represent complexity while in korea as well. this is a completely different case scenario than for instance; having regional leagues. I don't see how they relate to each other, I have nothing against koreans, and if they are coming to foreign teams to TRAVEL and PLAY in this hemisphere, I don't only welcome that, I respect that and im glad, that makes e-sports grow on this hemisphere. PLEASE stop twisting my words, if you don't have the capacity to understand what I've been saying all along, just don't comment on it!
lol.
"I don't want Koreans in our tournaments, they too good and take our moneyz."
*Koreans join the team to participate in tournaments*
"I never said that I was against having Koreans in TEAMS, gosh guys where ever would you think that I didn't want Koreans in the West. Of course I did, I just failed to mention that I wanted them in our teams. DUH. So disrespectful!"
Way to flip flop there CatZ,
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They are also going to play for Col. in online leagues.
Would be quite... "funny"? if during EG Marters' cup nex season they chose DRG over you. :/
I dont like all the borrowing deals. Because this feels like more borrowing than partnership.
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Am I the only one who hates this? It's not about koreans joining the foreign teams. Thats okay. The issue is HOW ITS DONE.
This is neither buying players nor raising them. It's just advanced sponsorship. This shit is nothing persistent or something you can rely on.
Whats in 5 years?
EG.MVP.coL.mouz.d.SK.MVP ? Seriously?
Teams are becoming sponsors, is that really what you guys want?
"Hey we are complexity gaming and we have the best 5 players on the planet. Well, at least we own 5% of them." -_-'.
Starcraft 2 is becoming a stock market, lol
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this will start to get hard for teams that cant afford koreans xD
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On July 23 2011 18:37 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 18:33 coL.CatZ wrote:On July 23 2011 14:41 Mohdoo wrote:
Has Catz given an opinion on this? Him being on Complexity and being the most vocal about keeping Koreans out of the foreign scene is absolutely hilarious to me. I really, really, really want to hear what he has to say about this. the big problem is everytime something like this happens, everyone starts quoting things I never said. if you want my opinion, my opinion has been voiced in multiple places multiple times. I'm really happy both for complexity and for our new teammates. they will be traveling to international events to represent complexity and they will represent complexity while in korea as well. this is a completely different case scenario than for instance; having regional leagues. I don't see how they relate to each other, I have nothing against koreans, and if they are coming to foreign teams to TRAVEL and PLAY in this hemisphere, I don't only welcome that, I respect that and im glad, that makes e-sports grow on this hemisphere. PLEASE stop twisting my words, if you don't have the capacity to understand what I've been saying all along, just don't comment on it! lol. "I don't want Koreans in our tournaments, they too good and take our moneyz." *Koreans join the team to participate in tournaments* "I never said that I was against having Koreans in TEAMS, gosh guys where ever would you think that I didn't want Koreans in the West. Of course I did, I just failed to mention that I wanted them in our teams. DUH. So disrespectful!" Way to flip flop there CatZ,
His last sentence completely applies to you. Your summary of what he stated as his idea to grow e-sports in the US is hilariously for the lack of a better expression...double digit IQ?
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On July 23 2011 10:45 Sandro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 10:44 Olinim wrote:
When SK did this with MC and Nada everyone was pissed off. It's the same thing...hypocrites :/ That was because SK threw away their entire team and is just using NaDa and MC to promote their brand, MC and NaDa most certainly don't have a lack of funds to travel. But with Complexity they're giving a chance to two deserving players to come out and play in western tournaments.
You do realise that MC and NaDa DO have a lack of travel funds right? OGS isnt paying for them to go anywhere. All of MCs appearences in foreign events have either been paid by the tournament organisers eg. NASL or off his own back as far as im aware
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On July 23 2011 18:40 Yiska wrote:
His last sentence completely applies to you. Your summary of what he stated as his idea to grow e-sports in the US is hilariously for the lack of a better expression...double digit IQ?
Oh I see, I guess it's okay to apparently "kill the foreigner scene and discourage new pros" when coL. gets a piece of the pie.
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Time to grab as many koreans as you can or form alliances. Wonder who will be the first to form an alliance with SlayerS.
Btw congrats to Complexity forgetting MVP with DongRaeGu one crazy freaking player :D.
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On July 23 2011 18:39 KeksX wrote:
Am I the only one who hates this? It's not about koreans joining the foreign teams. Thats okay. The issue is HOW ITS DONE.
This is neither buying players nor raising them. It's just advanced sponsorship. This shit is nothing persistent or something you can rely on.
Whats in 5 years?
EG.MVP.coL.mouz.d.SK.MVP ? Seriously?
Teams are becoming sponsors, is that really what you guys want?
"Hey we are complexity gaming and we have the best 5 players on the planet. Well, at least we own 5% of them." -_-'.
Starcraft 2 is becoming a stock market, lol
Complexity has access to top of the line training in korea for its players, MVP players who perform well have access to tournaments outside of korea. This isn't just sponsorship, it promotes growth of both teams.
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omfg why so many news, i almost cant keep up anymore
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Complexity has access to top of the line training in korea for its players, MVP players who perform well have access to tournaments outside of korea. This isn't just "buying players", it promotes growth of both teams.
Yea, like I said, it's a sponsorship.
NaDa is still in oGs no matter where he plays,
DRG is still MVPDRG no matter where he plays. But NaDa now gets money from SK and DRG gets money from coL.
This is nothing else than an advanced sponsorship and it's bad that teams are going into that direction.
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On July 23 2011 18:42 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 18:40 Yiska wrote:
His last sentence completely applies to you. Your summary of what he stated as his idea to grow e-sports in the US is hilariously for the lack of a better expression...double digit IQ? Oh I see, I guess it's okay to apparently "kill the foreigner scene and discourage new pros" when coL. gets a piece of the pie.
Those topics aren't even related and you mash them up because you apparently didn't understand what he was stating. I encourage you to rewatch the clip where he states his idea and come back here. You are very off on this. Even regarding the topic you created (which is not what CatZ is talking about) the American players of coL still win out in this deal as they get to practice in a pro environment if they so wish.
coL is easily the most supportive organisation in NA of local talent.
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On July 23 2011 18:47 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +
Complexity has access to top of the line training in korea for its players, MVP players who perform well have access to tournaments outside of korea. This isn't just "buying players", it promotes growth of both teams.
Yea, like I said, it's a sponsorship. NaDa is still in oGs no matter where he plays, DRG is still MVPDRG no matter where he plays. But NaDa now gets money from SK and DRG gets money from coL. This is nothing else than an advanced sponsorship and it's bad that teams are going into that direction.
Yep you said it was a sponsorship, I corrected it(though too late lol).
The NaDa MC deal is different, as SK didn't get to improve its existing roster in return(as it has none), and there is no guarantee they will sponsor other oGs players for outside tournaments.
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On July 23 2011 18:47 KeksX wrote:
Yea, like I said, it's a sponsorship.
NaDa is still in oGs no matter where he plays,
DRG is still MVPDRG no matter where he plays. But NaDa now gets money from SK and DRG gets money from coL.
This is nothing else than an advanced sponsorship and it's bad that teams are going into that direction.
I wish teams would follow FXO and TL's example and actually send players to train hard in Korea; maybe stay in their home countries and make team houses like EG.
But the bottom line is that hard work HAS been paying off for all foreigners who practice insanely hard.
Look at HuK as the oGs-TL ace. Look at qxc all killing IM. Read FXOboss's posts about how diligently his players are starting to practice realizing they have so much work to do.
Sponsorship isn't going to go very far. There are no shortcuts in anything in life.
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Fnatic needs to pull a cooperation with TSL
Dignitas with ZeNEX
Mouz with NsHs
Sixjax with IM?!
Reign with SlayerS lol? 
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On July 23 2011 11:01 Otolia wrote:
Oh that's great, but I'm sorry to inform you that it won't make the NA scene any better.
User was temp banned for this post.
I honestly agree with this sentiment. Whilst it may be good news that strong Korean players are now supported properly and can attend more events, these kind of merges are going to surely have 1 of 2 effects on NA and Euro players. Either they pull their finger out and step up to the plate to show that they are equal in worth to Korean players, or they continue to perform on a (on average) lower level and eventually be left behind by the foreign based orgas.
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Yes, I actually hope that Col. guys really take time to go train in Korea. And they should be able to play in GSTL.
But something comes to mind now. Was not some guy from GG gaming going to MVP house soon too?
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It's the cool thing to do right now. Everybody wants a slice of Korean pie. Jason Bass and Jason Lake? Did those guys like change their names just so they could sound like more of a team? I wonder if they like fishing...
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