EPTKorean Reactions to Puma's Situation - Page 7
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DartMass
Italy20 Posts
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Triscuit
United States722 Posts
That's what contracts are for. If you don't think you need to contract your players you either don't recognize their potential or you're being naive. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
Korea dominates BW in both organization and funding. Come SC2, the community splits in Korea, while sponsors trend towards the safer bet in a proven game like BW instead of risking money in SC2. Korean SC2 retains organization, but looses funding. Meanwhile, foreign SC2 events skyrocket in funding and organization, while player demographics in general scale slower (except for the top 1% of foreign pros, who are mostly all already sucked up by teams). So a combination of an overabundance of top quality Korean players are left in an environment with few opportunities to perform well or make much of an income off of, so they start traveling. Foreign teams (with money) are starting to notice and abundance of hungry Korean stars, and begin making offers that no Korean team can match (in no small part due to the success of BW). It seems kind of like a perfect storm in terms of player movement into the foreign scene. If the foreign scene can recreate something akin to the Korean team house experience (discipline and all), then Korea will become a moot point. So will this new "KeSPA" create artificial borders to block Korean players (or at least attempt to put up obstacles) from being involved in the foreign scene and only a participatory sense (attend event then leave)? And then hopefully weather BW taking all the funding until SC2 can be established as a safe zone to sponsor? Kinda seems like a big "If", and pending foreign action, shoot them in the foot. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
I think this sums up how I feel. It's not wise to act unprofessionally, and without proper foresight. This might end up biting him in the ass. He's a good player, and I doubt he had bad intentions, or wanted to create such waves, so I wish him the best. | ||
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nubcak3
United States104 Posts
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
I wonder if PuMa will be stoned to death if he ever sets foot in Korean again, sounds pretty bad :O | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Timestreamer
Israel157 Posts
Face it - the game has changed, and with it - the Korean teams will need to make the proper adjustments in order to appeal to the better players. | ||
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
What i don't get is why is Puma such an angel in all this  EG is a team, saw a player without a contract, asked him whether he would be even interested in a contract with pro-team, after all that they let him talk to his coach first before deciding anything. Why would you even go to his "coatch" if you don't even know that some player would consider joining a foreign team? Not to mention the fact, that in western world eyes he was a free player on the market. | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
Thank you EG, way to represent the Western E-Sports scene as one of the most visible teams out there. | ||
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Nayl
Canada413 Posts
On July 23 2011 14:15 reneg wrote: I think it's ridiculous. I feel like a lot of them feel spurned because a Korean doesn't want to play in Korea anymore, he wants to move out into the big wide foreigner world. I feel a lot of them are upset because of the perceived (true or not) dominance of the Korean scene. Unfortunately, it seems like there's more money to be made playing in a large number of foreign tourneys than there is to be made in participating in the GSL once a month. Frankly, I'm glad PuMa made the switch, I'm glad EG talked to him, I'm glad that all of these events have transpired. I feel like they can't do anything except increase competition for players, which, in turn, will raise up player salaries and playing conditions to the point that they can actually sign contracts and work in a good environment, rather than being under a moral obligation to play for a team because they provide them a place to eat and sleep and play. We shouldn't be exchanging our players for just room and board. We should be paying them actual salaries, and I feel like it's not too much to hope that this starts a domino effect. This is just flat out untrue, because Rain, Oz, Tandongho, and others got lots of support when they moved to a foreign team. It all depends on the reason they moved to a foreign team. | ||
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QuackPocketDuck
410 Posts
On July 23 2011 18:47 Gotmog wrote: Wow....koreans are so sadly miss informed... (well, in all honesty it's almost as bad as foreigners on the first day). What i don't get is why is Puma such an angel in all this EG is a team, saw a player without a contract, asked him whether he would be even interested in a contract with pro-team, after all that they let him talk to his coach first before deciding anything. Why would you even go to his "coatch" if you don't even know that some player would consider joining a foreign team? Not to mention the fact, that in western world eyes he was a free player on the market. Exactly, a player without a contract got signed.. what is the big deal here? trading players is what I never really understood in all sports  .. I mean think of it, you only "trade" or go for these other options when you dont have the cash to "buy". Dont quote me on this but give MC and Nada enough cash and they will become fully SK.Richest teams will eventually end up with the best players, its not like anyone is pulling players out of the korean national team or something. Pretty sure this is how club sports work. nothing stops Brazil from having the best soccer team, but do they have the best league? no. | ||
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Lotar
132 Posts
Of course, no one should ever sign a contract that is not mutually beneficial. You can't make players sign a contract that gives them nothing in exchange of their commitment to your team. At the very least, the team should contractually offer training in addition to housing and whatever other accomodations are currently offered to the non-salaried players in team houses, so that unscrupulous teams don't grab lowly players only to serve as sparring partners to their star players. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On July 23 2011 08:54 UTL_Unlimited wrote: 바이즈런: 다좋은데 이드라 싸이코패스 맨탈만 배우지말아라 (I'm fine with it. Just don't learn/[listen to] Idra's psychopath metal) This one confuses me so much ahah. Idra is way more known for listening to Dubstep anyway. | ||
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HEROwithNOlegacy
United States850 Posts
(lololol What I expected from a team with Idra in it) | ||
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psteeleneg
48 Posts
IMO starcraft 2 is much bigger outside of korea already even if their players are better on average. We have way more lan events and alot are starting to match or even beat their prize pools. There are more foreign fans than there are sc2 korean fans etc. Them trying to turtle the sport inside of korea and keep it "pure" like they did with bw doesn't work when in sc2 their part of the sport is actually less important than what is going on outside. It's a good thing for korean players to be getting opportunities outside of korea, and I would like to see korean teams pick up foreign players...there are plenty of foreigners who can easily beat the lower players on most of these teams. What EG did was fine and seems more a misconnection than anything else. They saw he had no contract so they wanted to get his opinion as a player and asked if it was okay with his coach and puma said "It should be, but I'll ask him." There's nothing wrong with that when no contract is involved, but that being said it would have been more polite to speak to the coach first. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On July 23 2011 18:39 Timestreamer wrote: Hopefully the Korean teams will start using contracts, just like every other company or business around the world does. They need to face the fact that they will need to make more effort to keep players with their teams - now that the foreign scene offers so many tournaments and large prize pools, a good Korean player has less and less incentive to stay in Korea. Face it - the game has changed, and with it - the Korean teams will need to make the proper adjustments in order to appeal to the better players. That's funny because back in BW people were complaining about KeSPA all the time because of their iron grip on all the players and them not caring for fans outside of Korea. The thing is, when Koreans start taking SC2 as a "business", when a SKT or CJ or Samsung move in it will be the end of western scene as far as top tier (or anywhere near top tier) competition goes. If you are somebody who hates KeSPA and the situation we had in Brood War PRAY that this doesn't happen anytime soon in SC2. I thought people would welcome the change to a more honest and more passionate sport environment. But no, now that EG blatantly abuses a small team that's only trying to get by and provide their players with a good practice environment to improve a bunch of new fanboys are feeling all superior and smug about EG "doin' business" and how the poor and naive Korean team got played. Well done EG, you've "done business" by screwing over a team that wasn't really a business in the first place, and without even a touch of good manner and respect for TSL. You're also going to screw over Puma, poor guy doesn't realize how far behind the top players he will be in a year and how his career will hit a wall once the western sc2 boom slows down. But I guess it's his own fault for only seeing the shiny dollars in front of him and nothing beyond that. | ||
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sCfO20
176 Posts
"You better hide yo teams, hide yo leagues, and hide yo aces, cause we stealin' errr thing out here" :D | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43793 Posts
It's interesting to see that even in Korea, where there existed this issue in the first place because things are so different than here in the Western world, the reactions were relatively similar. On July 23 2011 23:22 sCfO20 wrote: Official EG statement - "You better hide yo teams, hide yo leagues, and hide yo aces, cause we stealin' errr thing out here" :D That's really not funny, because they aren't stealing anything (and a lot of people misunderstood the situation and thought EG stole Puma from TSL). | ||
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