Korean Reactions to Puma's Situation - Page 8

On July 23 2011 23:40 Keone wrote:
Ok.

To be honest, I absolutely hate threads like this.

All I hear from the comments are, "they think this." "we think this."

It basically suddenly starts this huge mentality of "us against the Koreans."

What is this bullshit? Look at these posts. Some of you guys are absolutely ridiculous. From what I see, the Koreans' posts are EXACTLY the same as TL's. They're IDENTICAL. And some of you have the most ridiculous replies about how the "Koreans" are this, that, and how these replies suddenly represent Koreans.

Some of you guys are downright racist in your replies and you really deserve to be damn ashamed of yourselves.

On July 23 2011 09:08 unoriginalname wrote:
Oh no, you've translated Korean opinions to English concerning the matter. Alex may come out and accuse you of biased journalism that is threatening EG as you have not asked for a statement from them!

But in all honesty, I see the Korean opinions aren't too dissimilar to the ones expressed on Team Liquid, I think most of the foreign scene seem to think that PuMa is a better player than what the Koreans believe though.

On July 23 2011 23:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


1. What makes you think the western sc2 boom is going to slow down? It's already larger than the Korean scene, as Milkis said on Weapon of Choice.
2. If anything, EG is helping Puma make a living. Playing games is fun, but you still need to be able to survive. A pro-gamer's longevity is relatively short, and it would be nice for them to make some money doing their full-time job, so that they have something to bank after careers are over.
3. EG didn't abuse anything. They showed interest in a player they wanted, and Puma showed interest back. TSL didn't have the goods, and that was that. TSL didn't even own Puma. TSL was the only group that was screwing over Puma by not being able to provide him with a good enough atmosphere at the present.
4. Why do you think so many Koreans are going to foreigner teams? Because every foreigner team is evil and abusive, or because they're offering appropriate salaries and standards of living that Korean teams are not, because BW is still the big thing in Korea?

On July 24 2011 01:27 Talin wrote:


1. Let's call it a prediction. Or let's look at every other western attempt at e-sports - it's always been hype hype hype peak boom collapse. It may not die out, but it's definitely going to slow down, because right now there's no real justification for the amount of money being dumped into western sc2 => they can't keep doing it like this forever.

2. EG is helping Puma make a living for a year, maybe two. Then what? Keep in mind that Puma already won NASL so he was financially well off for some time, and during that time he was extremely likely to get a fat contract in Korea as well (if not in TSL, then in another team). But Puma opted to take instant gratification deal, and that's going to hurt him big time in the long run. Just my prediction of course.

3. EG was extremely disrespectful and abusive. They approached Puma during a competitive event, Puma came to NASL to play and compete, he was sent there (and had travel paid for) by his team. EG manager has no business even talking to him under such circumstances.

If EG had a sense of respect and basic courtesy, they would wait for Puma to go back to Korea, then contact the TSL to see what contract was he on (or if he was on one) and if TSL and Puma agreed then talk to Puma and see if he wants to go. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they HAD to do it this way (obviously they've done nothing wrong legally even as is), but doing it this way is what would get them respect both in Korea and here. Doing it the way they decided to do it - well the consequences are obvious and I bet not very pleasant for EG.

TSL provided Puma with more than EG can provide him. TSL might not have had the money (yet), but EG has only money and pretty much nothing else to offer. Most importantly, they can't provide him with means to maintain skill level and keep up with the Korean scene.

4. First of all, there is no "so many Koreans" going to western teams. There's only like 5, out of which only Puma is at a skill level that matters on the Korean scene right now. The number of Koreans that refused offers from western teams is probably a lot bigger (we already know about Clide and SangHo just from TSL so you can bet your ass there were more). In a year or two we'll see which was the smarter choice.

Out of the other Koreans that joined western teams, Rain left TSL about a month before joining Fnatic, so there was nothing abusive about that. Phoenix wasn't really on a team as far as I know, TanDongHo is going to study in England so it only makes sense he finds a foreign team anyway, and Oz isn't Leenock or sC (plus the transfer was very amicable and no side freaked out). So yeah, don't try to compare any of those deals to the way EG is doing "the business".

On July 23 2011 08:58 Retgery wrote:

That one mad me mad.

On July 24 2011 02:00 joshboy42 wrote:
lol at a Korean calling Idra's music 'psycopath metal'

On July 24 2011 02:14 gh0un wrote:
Looks to me like most korean netizens are immature kids.
Puma was offered a great opportunity and he decided to take it.
Considering korean progamers arent paid anything by their teams (except IM), no one can really blame the players if they leave their team for more secure teams that can pay them.

Playing at their level is a fulltime job, and if korean teams cant pay their players, then they have no right to be butthurt if their players decide to leave for more secure career options.

On July 24 2011 02:03 koreasilver wrote:

ftfy