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On July 23 2011 10:41 Angelbelow wrote:
What is the reaction now that EG has made a statement? A lot of those comments are just "he was stolen" but thats not the case at all.
I don't think EG has made a statement or press release, playXP broke the news too early with the fact of puma being signed wrong. would be interesting to see their response to what AG said on WoC but it would be kind of hard for someone to tell them what happened without bias etc.
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amazing stuff.. the wall of text scared me at first though haha. well done with the translation.
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On July 23 2011 10:49 taLbuk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 10:41 Angelbelow wrote:
What is the reaction now that EG has made a statement? A lot of those comments are just "he was stolen" but thats not the case at all. I don't think EG has made a statement or press release, playXP broke the news too early with the fact of puma being signed wrong. would be interesting to see their response to what AG said on WoC but it would be kind of hard for someone to tell them what happened without bias etc.
All i remember from WoC was the bashing Milkis recieved, AG talking in circles and a biased moderator.
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=\ honestly a lot of these comments are justified, but virtually identical to the reactions we had here at tl
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On July 23 2011 11:00 EchoZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 10:49 taLbuk wrote:On July 23 2011 10:41 Angelbelow wrote:
What is the reaction now that EG has made a statement? A lot of those comments are just "he was stolen" but thats not the case at all. I don't think EG has made a statement or press release, playXP broke the news too early with the fact of puma being signed wrong. would be interesting to see their response to what AG said on WoC but it would be kind of hard for someone to tell them what happened without bias etc. All i remember from WoC was Milkis bashing, AG talking in circles and a biased moderator.
All I remember was milkis never having an argument, AG explaining the situation while the chat spammed "SPIN SPIN SPIN" and then everyone in the threads ignoring the important parts of his argument (like puma telling him to let puma speak to Lee) and everyone ignoring it.
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I hope that people are able to extract the sentiment of "honor and trust" from these posts, (though I think these are posts before the entire story got through)
quite different from the "money and contract herp derp" stuff on TL, of course there's overlap on both sides
I'm not saying what EG did is wrong, but they could have tried not to piss a whole community of people off
also lol at the Idra comments
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On July 23 2011 11:03 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:00 EchoZ wrote:On July 23 2011 10:49 taLbuk wrote:On July 23 2011 10:41 Angelbelow wrote:
What is the reaction now that EG has made a statement? A lot of those comments are just "he was stolen" but thats not the case at all. I don't think EG has made a statement or press release, playXP broke the news too early with the fact of puma being signed wrong. would be interesting to see their response to what AG said on WoC but it would be kind of hard for someone to tell them what happened without bias etc. All i remember from WoC was Milkis bashing, AG talking in circles and a biased moderator. All I remember was milkis never having an argument, AG explaining the situation while the chat spammed "SPIN SPIN SPIN" and then everyone in the threads ignoring the important parts of his argument (like puma telling him to let puma speak to Lee) and everyone ignoring it.
Go read the TLO blog if you haven't. Milkis was just an invited translator, not some member of the Korean sc2 player association. AG was speaking about the esports scene like he knew everything, and then bashing Milkis when he lost his marbles.
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On July 23 2011 10:14 XiGua wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 10:11 Koillette wrote:
I don't see anything that was wrong here. Puma got offered a better "job" and he took it.
Simple like you work at a fastfood place. Somebody else offer you a better job. You give you two week(or whatever long) notice that you are leaving. Like they told him to talk to he's coach. Then he went for it.
You can under coach lees point of view. He train this player, they were one of his best players for what i have heared. But simple coach lee could have offer pump a contract also.
But I don't know all the detail of the issue. Just my 2cents
Except it's not at a fastfood place...
Exactly, this is BIGGER, this can lead to GREATER things, if you compare TSL to EG in terms of money and opportunities, TSL is basically a fastfood place and EG is more like a quite nice restaurant?
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On July 23 2011 10:16 Dawski wrote:
one final time lets puts this into a perspective of employer/employee to all those who still think EG did "bad business"
lets say this is a plumbing company
employers name = TSL (Total Sewage Lovers)
employees name = PLUMA
Plumas situation: went through his entire apprenticeship in one company where they taught him everything he knows about plumbing. This company's situation is where payment is very low and lots of people are quitting like his friend FD (Fast at Drains) and the only ones left are close friends of the owner who are accepting the pay cuts
They sent him to plumb some new townhouses that went up in a different location.
He did a good job.
Competitor company EG (Ecstatic for Gutters) who were also working on some of those townhouses took notice of his fast/low cost/quality work.
a foreman for EG walks up to him and says that they will give him a higher wage if he comes work for them (this is how it works in businesses, you expect the foreman to go to Pumas employer and ask if he can have his employee? what do you think we all still own slaves on our cotton fields as well?)
Pluma thinks about his situation and agrees that its the best choice and for some reason doesn't tell his boss and doesn't give his two weeks and just shoots off to the next job. Pluma's former boss is angry that his plumbing company is going down the drain and writes on his blog.
Best analogy of the situation I have read so far. Including the reactions of both parties integrated into the analogy.. awesome!
I wish Puma the best of luck plumbing his way to victory. Puma don't take the hate on you literally its a known phenomenon that people will hate on something more that give positive feedback on the same subject. They all just have a phobia of water and are jealous.
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Yes. AG was a dick to milkis.
Remove Milkis from WoC all together and people would just find something else to flame.
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On July 23 2011 11:02 JiYan wrote:
=\ honestly a lot of these comments are justified, but virtually identical to the reactions we had here at tl
not really. the TL thread didn't have nearly as much PuMa bashing. which is ironic, because the TL thread said the Korean way is all about the team/family/community but their netizens are blaming PuMa and sympathizing with Coach Lee, while the TL thread was bashing EG as an organization and having sympathy for TSL as a team.
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On July 23 2011 11:09 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:02 JiYan wrote:
=\ honestly a lot of these comments are justified, but virtually identical to the reactions we had here at tl not really. the TL thread didn't have nearly as much PuMa bashing. which is ironic, because the TL thread said the Korean way is all about the team/family/community but their netizens are blaming PuMa and sympathizing with Coach Lee, while the TL thread was bashing EG as an organization and having sympathy for TSL as a team.
how is it ironic when puma ditch his team, family and community? being a nation deeply rooted in Confucianism values like loyalty, respect and gratitude, im not surprised.
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So biased, where is EG's stance on the korean netizens' reactions? oh wait...
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You guys talk as if you knew exactly what was going on and use the word STEALING abit too lightly.
The word property, in everyday usage, refers to an object (or objects) owned by a person — a car, a book, a cellphone or an iPod — and the relationship the person has to it. In law, the concept acquires a more nuanced rendering. Factors to consider include the nature of the object, the relationship between the person and the object, the relationship between a number of people in relation to the object, and how the object is regarded within the prevailing political system. Most broadly and concisely, property in the legal sense refers to the rights of people in or over certain objects or things
Was Puma owned in any legal way? You guys know puma's personal/social life enough to make a judgment on what he should do? Really?
If what he is doing is not breaking any laws and thats what he wants to do, why the hell not? Puma is a free man, dont let user123 tell you otherwise.
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On July 23 2011 11:09 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 11:02 JiYan wrote:
=\ honestly a lot of these comments are justified, but virtually identical to the reactions we had here at tl not really. the TL thread didn't have nearly as much PuMa bashing. which is ironic, because the TL thread said the Korean way is all about the team/family/community but their netizens are blaming PuMa and sympathizing with Coach Lee, while the TL thread was bashing EG as an organization and having sympathy for TSL as a team.
Well its basically a circle.
EG was never in the circle, PuMa left the circle so they are more mad about the person leaving rather then a the person outside.
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someone should translate most of the TL reactions for play xp so they can see that it's not all foreigners only eg
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Seems here we blame EG and there they blame Puma
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On July 23 2011 11:02 JiYan wrote:
=\ honestly a lot of these comments are justified, but virtually identical to the reactions we had here at tl
This is what I've been saying the whole goddamned time. All these people that have been saying "oh, this will affect the relationship between the Korean community and the international community" while citing what people post on Korean sites is so fucking stupid because like 9/10 people everywhere are going to just run around like headless chickens spewing shit and blood everywhere because they overreact and love to sensationalize everything.
Everything is going to be fine, fuck.
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Hey look, Koreans can jump on bandwagons too!!! At least a few realize that Coach Lee is just being emo and bashing everyone. I don't understand how so many of them think Puma didn't discuss it with Mr Lee when that is exactly what he did after getting the offer.
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On July 23 2011 09:04 gullberg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 08:58 Retgery wrote:On July 23 2011 08:54 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
Myth_Zero: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 역시 이드라가 속해있는팀
(lololol What I expected from a team with Idra in it)
That one mad me mad. To be frank I lol'd when I read that. The koreans kinda hate him now, that comment about PuMa dying O.o
I believe it might just be a translation thing. It would seem more reasonable for it to be wishing for Puma's progaming career to die, as him failing. I don't think it was an actual wish for the death of Puma
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