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Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
July 23 2011 00:45 GMT
#41
On July 23 2011 09:42 LeakyBucket wrote:
3. What the heck was Coach Lee doing not having players on a contract in the first place!? I object to this the most because relying on trust with players seems absurd. I'm not trying to say the players are all backstabbers but it's just common business knowledge to have contracts to avoid sticky situations. I think this would have been easily avoided by having contracts in the first place.
I have to think this is because they're so deathly afraid of becoming KeSPA 2.0.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 00:49:20
July 23 2011 00:47 GMT
#42
On July 23 2011 09:39 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 09:35 SxYSpAz wrote:
On July 23 2011 09:22 Serpico wrote:
On July 23 2011 09:20 SxYSpAz wrote:
lol. so overall bad. can't say that EG deserves any less. After hearing their side, i understand a little more, but they should have just talked to the coach. they knew what they were doing.

also impressed by koreans emoticons. damn, they iz pros.

Also, translate our reaction to playxp :D haha

I doubt they knew how much talking to the manager mattered.

They definitely knew. The difference between talking to a manager and talking to the actual player is huge. They talk to the manager, and the whole team discusses it.

It would force puma to think of how his actions affected others before he thought about the benefits. Also killer and clide were apparently approached similarly (and turned the offers down), and if Puma was to hear that before making up his mind, he would realize how selfish his choice was.

I'm not completely against Puma, since i understand that he wants to be making more money and gaining more respect, but no one can deny it's a selfish decision at a dire time for TSL. I also had no clue how much of themselves the players and coach put into TSL until i read his interview, but my bet is that Puma knew exactly how much support he'd received.


But that's not really what they said on weapons of choice though.

They didn't talk about that, as in EGAlex didn't talk about that. I nearly pull that statement from weapon of choice, cause milkis talked about the korean culture and how they talk things over in groups, not selecting individuals.

Alex is good at talking, and Milkis is a translator who understands korean culture. Don't let yourself be tricked into viewing it from Alex's perspective, because if you view it from both, it's pretty obvious that EG must know the difference between talking to a player individually and not.

Alex said he has heard Coach Lee say in interviews a very small potion of his team is signed. Alex also said that he had contacted other coaches for arranging deals. So he clearly knew that Puma wasn't signed and approached him differently because of it. He went over Coach Lee's head... On purpose. It was a dick move. There's ways to defend EG, but not ethically. They knew what they were doing.
Fall.182
Profile Joined September 2010
United States126 Posts
July 23 2011 00:48 GMT
#43
i think its mostly EG's fault. im pissed just hearing about when i dont even care about TSL.

EG should write a deep apologizing letter or some sort of explanation to everyone
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
July 23 2011 00:49 GMT
#44
And you guys said Jessica overreacted when these comments are like the most mannered ones from the whole korean scene.
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XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
July 23 2011 00:51 GMT
#45
Looks like the same reactions that we got from TL. Netizens are all the same, huh?

Let's just drop this in my opinion. It has been dragged on for too long. Puma got a great offer from EG who decided not to speak to Coach Lee. Puma informed Lee on the last day and then left. TSL is one man short and EG has just gained a korean Terran with alot of potential. END.

Let's just hope that Puma will do well, I don't want him to fail and regret everything.
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SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 23 2011 00:51 GMT
#46
On July 23 2011 09:48 Fall.182 wrote:
i think its mostly EG's fault. im pissed just hearing about when i dont even care about TSL.

EG should write a deep apologizing letter or some sort of explanation to everyone


"sorry we hurt Lee's feelings"

Would that solve anything?

That's all they did wrong, going against "korean culture".
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
July 23 2011 00:52 GMT
#47
(yeah Puma needs to be cussed out. Even a dog that's been abandoned cries for it's owner when they aprt. I hope that Puma gets crossed and comes back to Korea. I think that Coach Lee made the right decision. Such trash needs to be gotten rid of).


Damn this's pretty harsh lol. But anyway I think we need a public release information from both EG and Puma. Either confirm or apology.
j3i
Profile Joined February 2011
United States357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 00:54:26
July 23 2011 00:54 GMT
#48
On July 23 2011 09:52 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
(yeah Puma needs to be cussed out. Even a dog that's been abandoned cries for it's owner when they aprt. I hope that Puma gets crossed and comes back to Korea. I think that Coach Lee made the right decision. Such trash needs to be gotten rid of).


Damn this's pretty harsh lol. But anyway I think we need a public release information from both EG and Puma. Either confirm or apology.


it's harsh but it's the exact response that puma should have expected.
I am an idiot who knows only about gaming, so there is nothing private to talk about to begin with. - Bisu
HyperLimen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States278 Posts
July 23 2011 00:54 GMT
#49
I'm so glad to see that some Koreans are just as disgusted by EG's tactics as I am.
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SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 23 2011 00:58 GMT
#50
On July 23 2011 09:54 j3i wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 09:52 tuho12345 wrote:
(yeah Puma needs to be cussed out. Even a dog that's been abandoned cries for it's owner when they aprt. I hope that Puma gets crossed and comes back to Korea. I think that Coach Lee made the right decision. Such trash needs to be gotten rid of).


Damn this's pretty harsh lol. But anyway I think we need a public release information from both EG and Puma. Either confirm or apology.


it's harsh but it's the exact response that puma should have expected.


For what.
Phats
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia534 Posts
July 23 2011 01:01 GMT
#51
I'm actually kinda suprised that Puma managed to win NASL when he was contacted by EG b4 the semi's... a massive thing to think about while your trying to play your best and win 50k!!

Myth_Zero: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 역시 이드라가 속해있는팀
(lololol What I expected from a team with Idra in it)


Lol!!

바이즈런: 다좋은데 이드라 싸이코패스 맨탈만 배우지말아라
(I'm fine with it. Just don't learn/[listen to] Idra's psychopath metal)


even more lol!!!
Fall.182
Profile Joined September 2010
United States126 Posts
July 23 2011 01:01 GMT
#52
On July 23 2011 09:51 XiGua wrote:
Looks like the same reactions that we got from TL. Netizens are all the same, huh?

Let's just drop this in my opinion. It has been dragged on for too long. Puma got a great offer from EG who decided not to speak to Coach Lee. Puma informed Lee on the last day and then left. TSL is one man short and EG has just gained a korean Terran with alot of potential. END.

Let's just hope that Puma will do well, I don't want him to fail and regret everything.


it shouldn't a "lets just drop this" because if this matter is not solved correctly, same problems such as these will pop up in the future. This is mostly EG's fault and they should apologize.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 23 2011 01:01 GMT
#53
What's the timeline of these comments?

I don't think I see the value of posting comments that may have come out as soon as the story broke. It will be the Korean version of the TL comments, which were pretty content-less for hours. Is there any reaction to the expanded timeline that came out later? Was the summary of Alex Garfield's WoC interview ever released in Korea?
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
LeakyBucket
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada76 Posts
July 23 2011 01:04 GMT
#54
^^ Yeah I saw an interview lately where Idra said that the Koreans hated him or something like that. I never knew that but now it seems like it's true lol
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
July 23 2011 01:05 GMT
#55
It really feels like anytime the relationship between Korea and "everyone else" is discussed in the international scene, everyone makes sure to put major emphasis on the fact that westerners should show respect and understanding towards the way Koreans do things because frankly it's extremely different from what we may deem important, but at the same time it seems like Koreans have no problem (quite rudely) imposing their values and traditions on western organisations.

Of course these translations are just a snippet of general discussion and only give the vaguest idea of consensus among netizens, but as far as I can tell we're moving towards a culture where everyone has to tiptoe around any issue regarding Koreans, while we deserve no courtesy from them.
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
Adila
Profile Joined April 2010
United States874 Posts
July 23 2011 01:06 GMT
#56
On July 23 2011 09:42 LeakyBucket wrote:
1. EG went straight to the player without contacting the team. I find this to be devious and not really professional for a major business.


Sorry but this happens EVERY DAY between EVERY MAJOR business in the world.

Any PROFESSIONAL business would do the exact same thing as within legal means.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
July 23 2011 01:07 GMT
#57
Not to use a broken, tired out meme, but: Haters gonna' hate.

The people who disagree with EG's actions have their minds made up by and large, and nothing can be done to change it. True, many people still haven't taken the time to educate themselves on all of the facts, but the people still railing against it simply fall back onto a cultural argument or something along those lines.

Quite frankly, Korea might hold the largest concentration and amount of top-tier players in the world, but the competition outside is budding and growing constantly. Maybe Korea should think about adapting to the world outside, rather than expecting everybody else to cater to their ways.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
July 23 2011 01:08 GMT
#58
On July 23 2011 10:01 Fall.182 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 09:51 XiGua wrote:
Looks like the same reactions that we got from TL. Netizens are all the same, huh?

Let's just drop this in my opinion. It has been dragged on for too long. Puma got a great offer from EG who decided not to speak to Coach Lee. Puma informed Lee on the last day and then left. TSL is one man short and EG has just gained a korean Terran with alot of potential. END.

Let's just hope that Puma will do well, I don't want him to fail and regret everything.


it shouldn't a "lets just drop this" because if this matter is not solved correctly, same problems such as these will pop up in the future. This is mostly EG's fault and they should apologize.

But they won't apologize?

For them, they saw nothing wrong in their doings. They even had the chance to come clean in WoC but instead of doing that they attacked Milkis. This is just running into a dead end and trying to push the walls further away to have some "progress". I'm sad for Coach Lee and happy for Puma.

I look forward to MLG Anaheim. What if it'll turn into a massive fight! My hockey and football nerdchills are tingling.
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Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
July 23 2011 01:10 GMT
#59
The IdrA comments were hilarious. Might want to watch out. That AG guy might yell at you for lack of solid journalism.
Life is Good.
r4pture
Profile Joined May 2011
United States397 Posts
July 23 2011 01:10 GMT
#60
Slightly off topic, but threads like these always make me wonder; is there a "Westerns Reaction to Pumas Situation" thread on PlayXP?
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