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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.

Leave the racial bias at the door while you are at it as well pretty please.
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
July 18 2011 04:51 GMT
#281
Its a shame all this went down, but good luck to you Dox in future tournaments and hopefully you can get SEA more active and involved.
Jieun <3
Reptilia
Profile Joined June 2010
Chile913 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 04:56:51
July 18 2011 04:51 GMT
#282
On July 18 2011 13:24 Maliris wrote:
this isn't really a big deal, it's only SEA. Major is better than everyone who competed anyway.

seriously?, just analyze what u just posted.



On July 18 2011 13:37 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 13:03 Kiarip wrote:
On July 18 2011 13:01 NoobSkills wrote:
On July 18 2011 12:54 Probe1 wrote:
Just don't invite sixjaxMajor.

I read the chat log screen shots, the forum posts and anything else posted here and I've come to the conclusion that Major really is a dick. Fuck him.

Even if he apologizes. No no no, fuck him.


On July 18 2011 12:52 moltenlead wrote:
I don't see what the massive discussion is about.


The most common thing I've read is people saying "fuck him". Having a massive thread is good. It gives the tournament good exposure and lets more people know that sixjax was beyond reprehensible.


Kid wanted to play.
Kid found an account even through it was a smurf.
Kid played and did not win money.

Don't see the issue. Even if he did win and took the money who the hell cares unless this is a tournament made to support the Code B players of the SEA region.


Are you stupid? He doesn't qualify to be in the tournament. He got disqualified luckily before he actually won it (assuming he would.)

It's a big deal, because the tournament is trying to support the SEA scene.


I don't care if he qualifies or not lol. And for you to insinuate that I am stupid because I don't care if players follow a tournaments rules then you should probably brush up on what reasonable logic is. I wish he had won it and had the cash in his pocket I see no reason to give $500 to a worse player just because the other guy lives elsewhere. Developing the SEA scene isn't that important lol.

im sorry to say this, but im not surprised it came from someone from USA.

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Chronald
Profile Joined December 2009
United States619 Posts
July 18 2011 04:51 GMT
#283
On July 18 2011 13:48 Dox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 13:36 Baarn wrote:
Please invite some top level players next time.

Thanks for your input. I've explicitly stated multiple times that this is my intent.

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On July 18 2011 13:37 Mauldo wrote:
I'm sure he means Dreamhack, MLG, stuff like that. Tourneys that multiple different pro players from the major teams come from multiple different countries. A SEA tourney with a big prize pool is all good, but unless the best from other countries are allowed to enter as well, a lot of the community won't accept them. I for one would see it as the recent IPL seasons not just yet accepting people from too many different countries, trying to keep it small you see, but whatever. People won't think you're big until the Idras and the White-Ras are allowed to play.

I understand that. I was moreso looking for a prize value which would constitute a "big deal."

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On July 18 2011 13:37 NoobSkills wrote:
Developing the SEA scene isn't that important lol.

Are you aware that the majority of the top players on SEA currently hold high ranks in the NA GrandMaster League? What makes our region so inferior, out of curiosity?


Nothing actually, people just like to jump on Band Wagons when they hear "SEA < World" and whatnot. I don't think SEA is any worse than NA personally, maybe there is a lower saturation of top level players, but the top level players are all at the same, if not higher, caliber than many NA top level players.

Don't let haters hate on you, I think that fostering the SEA scene is something that can really help and that the region as a whole will only BENEFIT from what you are doing.

Keep fighting the good fight. And don't let silly 12 year old ignorance get to you :D
Got that.
ShaunO
Profile Joined April 2011
United States44 Posts
July 18 2011 04:51 GMT
#284
im not surprised Major did this. But nothing will come from it, he won't be kicked from sixjax. Im pretty sure Artosis wants him on the team for the publicity, any press is good press. If Artosis just wanted a good player, he could've found that anywhere. He picked major for a reason. And even tho he was caught in the act, he can still play the "it wasnt clear" card and somewhat get away without any severe punishment....thats just my opinion. I wont be supporting him in the future.
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 04:53:25
July 18 2011 04:51 GMT
#285
Ok that was dumb of Major. Like the admin mentioned, the whole purpose of the tournament was to raise the skill level of South East Asia + Oceania SCII players so that they can actually compete with the rest of the world and not look like platinums.

Let's face it, South East Asia and Oceania are behind in terms of skill and talent pool compared to Korea, Europe and North America. They needed a boost, and more people competing against each other in order to improve their skill sets (ever wondered why Taiwanese people get free SK accounts, and Australians get free NA accounts? It's because they can't find a damn game in their own country, let alone find sufficiently skilled players in the SEA/AU ladder to compete with on a timely and frequent basis.)

It's just unfair of Major to do that.
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Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
July 18 2011 04:51 GMT
#286
On July 18 2011 13:48 Dox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 13:36 Baarn wrote:
Please invite some top level players next time.

Thanks for your input. I've explicitly stated multiple times that this is my intent.

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 13:37 Mauldo wrote:
I'm sure he means Dreamhack, MLG, stuff like that. Tourneys that multiple different pro players from the major teams come from multiple different countries. A SEA tourney with a big prize pool is all good, but unless the best from other countries are allowed to enter as well, a lot of the community won't accept them. I for one would see it as the recent IPL seasons not just yet accepting people from too many different countries, trying to keep it small you see, but whatever. People won't think you're big until the Idras and the White-Ras are allowed to play.

I understand that. I was moreso looking for a prize value which would constitute a "big deal."

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 13:37 NoobSkills wrote:
Developing the SEA scene isn't that important lol.

Are you aware that the majority of the top players on SEA currently hold high ranks in the NA GrandMaster League? What makes our region so inferior, out of curiosity?


Nice man. Look forward to your tournament then. :D
There's no S in KT. :P
Atlas_550
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States180 Posts
July 18 2011 04:52 GMT
#287
On July 18 2011 13:41 Maliris wrote:
Having more prizemoney isn't gonna grow SEA, money can't make good players.


I don't know about that. Because it's about incentive. If there is an incentive to be good, then people will try to reach that goal. Bigger money, means trying harder to win because you want that money in many cases. This is extrinsic motivation for players in the SEA scene to play harder.

Sure, there are other motives that are less "greedy", but a combination of natural will to get better and outside factors will provide the best results.

This is basic phsycology really. Don't under how people can throw an entire scene under the bus because they think that money should go else where and that there's no chance in hell that people will be better with incentive?

It's almost like these are the same people that say Koreans will always be better than anything NA or EU will ever produce. Cept now they are targetting a smaller scene that some people are working hard to grow like Dox. I'm all for more competition EVERYWHERE in the world, and local tournaments is actually a good way to build that.
ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
July 18 2011 04:53 GMT
#288
If it is written SEA citizenship required to play, then it is SEA citizenship required to play. Thus are the laws of the tournament, even if no one cares about the location. How hard is it to understand that the rules of the tournament were SEA only? So Major broke the rules (in an embarrassing way for the credibility of his team) and deserves the disqualification. Clear. Simple. Next time, he should understand that the laws are there to be respected, even if he thinks there is a lack of logic.
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
Chronald
Profile Joined December 2009
United States619 Posts
July 18 2011 04:53 GMT
#289
On July 18 2011 13:52 Atlas_550 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 13:41 Maliris wrote:
Having more prizemoney isn't gonna grow SEA, money can't make good players.


I don't know about that. Because it's about incentive. If there is an incentive to be good, then people will try to reach that goal. Bigger money, means trying harder to win because you want that money in many cases. This is extrinsic motivation for players in the SEA scene to play harder.

Sure, there are other motives that are less "greedy", but a combination of natural will to get better and outside factors will provide the best results.

This is basic phsycology really. Don't under how people can throw an entire scene under the bus because they think that money should go else where and that there's no chance in hell that people will be better with incentive?

It's almost like these are the same people that say Koreans will always be better than anything NA or EU will ever produce. Cept now they are targetting a smaller scene that some people are working hard to grow like Dox. I'm all for more competition EVERYWHERE in the world, and local tournaments is actually a good way to build that.


Exactly. Do people really think that the Korean scene would be where it was without all the money they have thrown at it?

REALLY? How else do you have a professional sport? I don't know too many professional athletes that don't do it for the money to some degree. If the money wasn't there, then people wouldn't play.

DURRR

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Got that.
starcraft2rush
Profile Joined February 2011
306 Posts
July 18 2011 04:55 GMT
#290
Pretty hard to take sixjax as a serious team if they allow players like this on their team.

Artosis is a great caster but being associated with this sore on the face of the community is rather disconcerting.

Who is captain/manager of sixjax? have they given a statement on this? or is sixjax just some ragtag group of kids that don't even have management.
ruxin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States183 Posts
July 18 2011 04:55 GMT
#291
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PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
July 18 2011 04:56 GMT
#292
On July 18 2011 11:14 EnderCraft wrote:
Way to blow it Juan.

Edit:

Oh and blowing off djWheat on kings of tin... Not cool man...



He blew off djWHEAT?

Now that's taking it a step too far man.
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12686 Posts
July 18 2011 04:56 GMT
#293
On July 18 2011 13:44 Ucs wrote:
The guy who opened the thread is such a drama queen. Major didn't cheat, he didn't do anything fishy, he just wanted to play a tournament like everyone else. As FXOtgun is registered that means there was no skill cap on registering for the tournament. So the only problem was location, which nobody cares about.

Overall you are just trying to stir stuff up and I see that its somewhat working... a shame that the community just jumps the band wagon to write c**p about some people for something that dosen't really matter.

He did cheat. Have you ever read the thread? He played the tournament, knowing he is not eligible to participate. Location was not the problem, it was the entry requirement of needing to be a SEA citizen.
"something doesn't really matter" is probably one of these reasons he told himself too, unfortunately, "something doesn't really matter" actually matters?
Honestly, if FXOtgun is registered, it clearly shows they do care about the SEA citizenship part, doesn't it?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
July 18 2011 04:56 GMT
#294
On July 18 2011 13:55 starcraft2rush wrote:
Pretty hard to take sixjax as a serious team if they allow players like this on their team.

Artosis is a great caster but being associated with this sore on the face of the community is rather disconcerting.

Who is captain/manager of sixjax? have they given a statement on this? or is sixjax just some ragtag group of kids that don't even have management.

Artosis is the captain of sixjax. Yeah.
Will always cheer for: MMA Bomber Taeja Curious Life herO Zest
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
July 18 2011 04:56 GMT
#295
Major is completely tactless, just a talented kid with no manners and no integrity. This definitely didn't change the opinions of everyone who has talked shit on him in the past.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Deaths Fang
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia3 Posts
July 18 2011 04:56 GMT
#296
On July 18 2011 13:37 NoobSkills wrote:

I don't care if he qualifies or not lol. And for you to insinuate that I am stupid because I don't care if players follow a tournaments rules then you should probably brush up on what reasonable logic is. I wish he had won it and had the cash in his pocket I see no reason to give $500 to a worse player just because the other guy lives elsewhere. Developing the SEA scene isn't that important lol.


I hate this attitude. Sick and tired of it
Syben
Profile Joined October 2010
United States512 Posts
July 18 2011 04:57 GMT
#297
Doesn't surprise me in the least that Major did this. Major is good but he acts like a child. There is also the fact that he uses other pros names. HuK beat major easily who was using his KR account named FirebatHero. Major wonders why everybody hates him yet me continues to give the community reason after reason.
Definitely gonna switch to G, the only race I havent played yet. - TLO
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
July 18 2011 04:57 GMT
#298
On July 18 2011 13:55 starcraft2rush wrote:
Pretty hard to take sixjax as a serious team if they allow players like this on their team.

Artosis is a great caster but being associated with this sore on the face of the community is rather disconcerting.

Who is captain/manager of sixjax? have they given a statement on this? or is sixjax just some ragtag group of kids that don't even have management.


I think Evoli or someone is manager of sixjax
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Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
July 18 2011 04:58 GMT
#299
Just to be clear, I'm aware that money doesn't equal good players. But it does breed competition.

What people outside of our region fail to recognise, is that without an incentive, passion can only carry you so far. Eventually the inevitable and frustrating feeling of pointlessness kicks in and people retire. This has been a recurring theme in Australia for the last 11 years. So giving people a reason to practice, improve and compete is the stimulant to building a strong player base.

Without MLG and NASL, I dare say the North American scene would be significantly less competitive. Players will often only commit to something when they have a goal in sight.

And just to repeat an earlier statement - I have every intention of including international players in the next Dox Cup. This one was just to gauge the interest of the SEA region.
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AzurewinD
Profile Joined November 2010
United States569 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 05:01:44
July 18 2011 04:58 GMT
#300
This is really a shame. I'm not sure Major understands the full consequences of what he's doing in this situation. All those people he beat really got screwed out of their chances there.

Or you could take the other side and say "play better". But honestly, the rules are the rules.

Any more of these kind of antics and he's going to be known as the Eddie Guerrero of the Starcraft community.

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