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On July 16 2011 00:59 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:49 ineq wrote:On July 16 2011 00:44 mprs wrote:On July 16 2011 00:35 ineq wrote:On July 16 2011 00:28 stratmatt wrote:On July 16 2011 00:05 adeptz wrote:
Just another desperate move to keep themselves "in the game" when they've totally missed the boat on sc2. I seriously wonder what goes on in their management meetings, or how they actually let the SK-gaming brand become like this. Anyone following counter-strike eons ago would remember SK to be an esports powerhouse then - they had the major sponsors, the branding, the content...now look at them.
I don't know, maybe it all went to shit when bds left the helm.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Welcome to esports. In REAL sports, teams buy off players ALL THE TIME to compete. It goes with the business of running a succesful esports team. People annoyed by this are like cavaliers fans when Lebron left. These players play for themselves more than the team they play for. Nada and MC saw this as a chance to have a more global presence while at the same time representing one of the MOST FAMOUS esports teams of ALL TIME. This is huge news for both the players and the teams and beneficial to both. Heaton nd Potti(god bless their souls) had a huge falling out with SK and Im sure if anything were legally wrong with the situation they would have had a leg to stand on in court. Chances are that they broke their contracts in a way that left them in a tough spot. If you followed cs at all, you would know they never agreed with managmentt toward the end of their tenure due to roster changes and other things, and left to form their own team again. Either way, that doesnt negate the success SK has had over the years in terms of both management AND players. Could you please explain to me why this is beneficial for SK? I'm not trying to be hostile or anything. But i'm just seeing this having a negative impact on SK as a brand. They may attract new and uneducated fans, but as has been said before, they'll learn that MC and NaDa actually are not a product of SK, but of oGs, and thus noone will really care that they're representing SK, when oGs is the real reason behind their success. And sponsors will know this aswell, no doubt. The organization will in my opinion look like a bunch of slackers looking for a quick buck, even though that's not the case. Could you please explain to me why having players on a team is beneficial for any team? Teams make money off exposure and advertising. If you read the comments, half the community here has no idea who SK is as an organization. Now they will have top contenders in every foreigner tournament wearing their (and their sponsors) logo. This is basically what every team dreams of. They also developed links to Korea, which no other team has done (aside from TL, because they had ties to Spunky). Do you guys know how many players want the chance to come from Korea to play in foreigner tournaments? Now they can have them on contract. If they sign a few more Koreans by being able to just buy their plane tickets, you will see SK have 3 in the top 5 of every tournament without having to do a single thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they had this planned from this start. Why bother growing a team when this is a risk-free venture for all the rewards of having your own team?!?!? There is a reason the Yankees are the Yankees. Okay, replace "made" with "contributed", and you get my point. SK had absolutely nothing to with the success of these players, and they have no right to display them as their players, unless they buy them from oGs. The only thing SK will do, according to the information at hand, is send them to events outside of Korea, do you think that that's enough to call them SK players? I know i certainly don't. They're taking another teams work and claiming it their own, more or less. And most intelligent people will see through this, that's why i think it's not gonna give them any good publicity. I do on the other hand like that we will get to see NaDa and MC in a huge amount of foreign tournaments though. So from that perspective it's great! It doesn't matter. MC and Nada will be on a podium in a foreign country with a SK shirt and a big fat SteelSeries logo while 80k+ look on and many more watch in vods. This type of advertising comes at the price of a plane ticket. Sure he will always be oGs MC, but what comes before his name is irrelevant. SK can go to their sponsors and say "Hey look, we have a guy wearing our shirt, showing your logo, and hes winning everything!!!!!!! Give us more money!". It doesn't matter that we all know that his real team is oGs. SK itself is now a sponsor, kinda like Razer sponsoring Boxer, or Stride sponsoring Tyler. He gets plane tickets to tournaments, gets to keep the money (or some/most of it), and all he has to do is wear a different shirt (note oGs doesn't even have any sponsors that they would want to direct towards the foreigner world). On the other hand, SK goes from being nothing in the SC2 scene, to having a 20+ page thread, and their names and sponsors are mentioned at every foreign tournament MC and Nada are in (which is what teams want of their players anyway). I think you are missing the point. This is a business decision, not an ethical one. Yes he is on oGs, but it doesn't matter to SK or hurt them in any way.
Just a plane ticket? How do you know the intricacies of the deal? NaDa is probably a millionaire and MC is well on his way @200K in 8 months you think they would sign on for a chump change plane ticket?
Anyway I agree with your other thoughts, good business.
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On July 16 2011 03:45 BryanSC wrote:
Wow MC AND Nada? All they need is a Zerg, too bad there are no good zergs in oGs...
Yea Zenio is terrible, Cezzane is awful, and even their coach theWind is trash...
Oh wait.....
Cezzane is their captain and one of the only people to take a game off Nestea in a televised ZvZ (a feat only Fruitdealer and Dimaga can say that as well)
TheWind, despite being a coach, still kept his code S status for a few seasons and made it out of the group stage at least once.
Zenio needs no introduction
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On July 16 2011 00:31 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:26 Olinim wrote:On July 16 2011 00:24 W2 wrote:On July 16 2011 00:22 Beyonder wrote:On July 15 2011 23:57 godemperor wrote:On July 15 2011 22:48 LastDance wrote:lol SK added Nada and MC to their team roster: http://www.sk-gaming.com/players/in the profiles they made it says "former teams oGs" Seriously SK, nobody considers these players yours. you've just become their airfare bitch Lol, basically this. MC and NaDa are like "We wanna make more money by taking foreigner's cash! Wanna pay our airfare so we give you a shoutout when we win?" SK: "ok, here take our money." Where does it say former team oGs? Or did they just delete it? Wouldnt surprise me at all though, lol If you click the link to the players name, on the right for example oGsMC (I will never ever ever ever call him SK) FORMER TEAMS SK Gaming Old Generations MBCGame HERO It says SK too so obviously it's just wrong, who careS? indeed -_- so much hate here... doesn't surprise me though, many people tend to like their rival fnatic better with which SK has had much shittalk and confrontations lately. i always felt like they treated their WC3 players well. be it Miou, Insomnia, Madfrog or any of the koreans, i don't remember them talking shit about SK. only exception here was XlorD, but that didn't surprise me.
treated them well? Isn't sk much of the reason madfrog stopped with progaming?
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On July 16 2011 03:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 01:42 stratmatt wrote:On July 16 2011 01:33 ineq wrote:On July 16 2011 01:27 stratmatt wrote:The problem with cs is that it was dieing out before the business of esports was well defined enough to make anything worthwhile. With sc2 we have a brand new game with the enthusiasm and infrastructure needed in place to take esports to a whole new level globally. SK is one of the best esports orgs out there despite what some people here say, and this is the best possible move they could have made. SK's reputation combined with Nada and Mc's is a great thing for sc2 any way you slice it. Plus its nice to see the very best cs team on the same team as the best sc2 players  SK doesnt **** around. Isn't fucking around what they are doing though? They're dipping a toe, and not putting the whole foot down. It seems to me like they're afraid of taking the big step of making a team of their own, after the failure of their "rookie" team. How is ponying up the cash to support the best players in the world and give them what they want 'dipping their toe in'? They dont want to pay for subpar players and HOPE things work out in a few years. They want to WIN, and NOW. Like I said, if OGS were up to sending these guys the world over to compete, SK wouldnt have anything to offer them, but in this case they do. That is exactly the problem. An important part of business presentation is the stuff that is left out of any announcement or deal. Let's look at it this way. What did SK Gaming announce? - A partnership with oGs that means MC and Nada will represent SK in foreign and Korean events (to different levels). - ... No announcement to build some type of infrastructure to create a SC2 team. No announcement of intentions to create another SC2 team in general. No announcement to make some kind of contribution towards cultivating the skill of potential SC2 pros. No announcement to do anything towards maintaining Nada/MC's current skills. Now without the writing we don't know the exact terms or limitations, but it sounds like SK will have no hand in the day-to-day activities of these players. They won't provide practice partners or a coach/overseer to monitor their progress, etc. Obviously they want what you said they want: brand name success NOW instead of later. Think about how many businesses succeed without long-term investment or planning. If something happens to stunt their success, perhaps a car accident or a wrist injury, what depth does SK's SC2 division have to compensate for this? So it's no wonder that people are automatically assuming SK is buying players to make up for their failures to establish a solid team. Because it doesn't sound like SK intends on building a team anytime soon.
Great post, and you're spot on!
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I wonder just how much oGs as an organization stands to gain from this, considering they risk a decline of skill(due to travel) of their best players, and are responsible for training them/housing them most of the time.
I hope they at least get a significant portion of the sponsorship money SK manages to get.
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I think the problem here is one of wording.... SK isn't just sponsoring according to their posting, they say they have 'acquired' MC and NaDa, which sounds as if they purchased them like when Light was purchased from MBC to Woonjin Stars in BW.
It sounds as if they are a forming a team but they really aren't, they are just buying two high level Korean players for a tidy amount, I'm sure, without having to nurture or create new players in Europe, which is not immoral but definitely not something a team dedicated to 'grow' foreigner competition aspires to do.
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Thank god someone sponsored MC and Nada they really needed it ...
Caring only about PR instead of sponsoring some up and coming players or atleast someone from europe. Bad move by SK in my book.
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I wonder what this says about the Korean sc2 esports scene when an international ORG like SK can come in and 'pickup' 2 of the best players including a top 3 player in the world.....
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On July 16 2011 03:52 Backtothemars wrote:
This is so PROFESSIONAL. One year after its release, the progaming scene of SC2 is still a joke.
I don't understand what you think professionalism is.
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MC has a lot of stamina. He plays in Korea, then he travels all over the world to play in other tournaments, goes back to Korea, etc. He's also seems quite comfortable competing in other places. I say he deserves the sponsorship.
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A shame that MC and Nada agreed to represent a trashy sponsor such as SK. They lost my respect after what they did to Madfrog.
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On July 16 2011 04:08 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 03:45 BryanSC wrote:
Wow MC AND Nada? All they need is a Zerg, too bad there are no good zergs in oGs... Yea Zenio is terrible, Cezzane is awful, and even their coach theWind is trash... Oh wait..... Cezzane is their captain and one of the only people to take a game off Nestea in a televised ZvZ (a feat only Fruitdealer and Dimaga can say that as well) TheWind, despite being a coach, still kept his code S status for a few seasons and made it out of the group stage at least once. Zenio needs no introduction
I can't remember the last time I saw Cezanne play.
TheWind would be a poor choice, he's not even close to being a contender for a GSL championship.
Zenio, yeah he's a perennial "Stay in Code S because he's in third place/go to up and down matches" type of player I guess.
My point is oGs doesn't have a Zerg player on the level of MC or Nada.
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Im sure MC and Nada know what they want and whats best for them, so ppl stfu and be happy for them.
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On July 16 2011 04:25 SiNoCiDe wrote:
A shame that MC and Nada agreed to represent a trashy sponsor such as SK. They lost my respect after what they did to Madfrog.
What exactly did they do to madfrog?
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On July 16 2011 04:29 BryanSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 04:08 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 16 2011 03:45 BryanSC wrote:
Wow MC AND Nada? All they need is a Zerg, too bad there are no good zergs in oGs... Yea Zenio is terrible, Cezzane is awful, and even their coach theWind is trash... Oh wait..... Cezzane is their captain and one of the only people to take a game off Nestea in a televised ZvZ (a feat only Fruitdealer and Dimaga can say that as well) TheWind, despite being a coach, still kept his code S status for a few seasons and made it out of the group stage at least once. Zenio needs no introduction I can't remember the last time I saw Cezanne play. TheWind would be a poor choice, he's not even close to being a contender for a GSL championship. Zenio, yeah he's a perennial "Stay in Code S because he's in third place/go to up and down matches" type of player I guess. My point is oGs doesn't have a Zerg player on the level of MC or Nada.
Zenio's been the constant anti-IdrA, has shown amazing games as of recent, and is one of the better infestor users. Perhaps he isn't as strong as MC is, but neither is Nada. And Nada isn't that much more amazing that Zenio is yet.
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On July 16 2011 04:33 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 04:25 SiNoCiDe wrote:
A shame that MC and Nada agreed to represent a trashy sponsor such as SK. They lost my respect after what they did to Madfrog.
What exactly did they do to madfrog?
they didn't want to fulfill his needs of a €2k/month salary when all other euro progamers made around €500 and kicked him out. poor madfrog he was so good 
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lol this is going to be interesting...
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On July 16 2011 04:10 Roflhaxx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:31 HolydaKing wrote:On July 16 2011 00:26 Olinim wrote:On July 16 2011 00:24 W2 wrote:On July 16 2011 00:22 Beyonder wrote:On July 15 2011 23:57 godemperor wrote:On July 15 2011 22:48 LastDance wrote:lol SK added Nada and MC to their team roster: http://www.sk-gaming.com/players/in the profiles they made it says "former teams oGs" Seriously SK, nobody considers these players yours. you've just become their airfare bitch Lol, basically this. MC and NaDa are like "We wanna make more money by taking foreigner's cash! Wanna pay our airfare so we give you a shoutout when we win?" SK: "ok, here take our money." Where does it say former team oGs? Or did they just delete it? Wouldnt surprise me at all though, lol If you click the link to the players name, on the right for example oGsMC (I will never ever ever ever call him SK) FORMER TEAMS SK Gaming Old Generations MBCGame HERO It says SK too so obviously it's just wrong, who careS? indeed -_- so much hate here... doesn't surprise me though, many people tend to like their rival fnatic better with which SK has had much shittalk and confrontations lately. i always felt like they treated their WC3 players well. be it Miou, Insomnia, Madfrog or any of the koreans, i don't remember them talking shit about SK. only exception here was XlorD, but that didn't surprise me. treated them well? Isn't sk much of the reason madfrog stopped with progaming?
No he quit for irl work, he thought he woulndt make it in sc2
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On July 16 2011 04:41 Sorkoas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 04:33 Olinim wrote:On July 16 2011 04:25 SiNoCiDe wrote:
A shame that MC and Nada agreed to represent a trashy sponsor such as SK. They lost my respect after what they did to Madfrog.
What exactly did they do to madfrog? they didn't want to fulfill his needs of a €2k/month salary when all other euro progamers made around €500 and kicked him out. poor madfrog he was so good
That guy made it sound like they killed his dog or something..."I'll never forgive them for what they did...on that fateful night...VENGEANCE...WILL...BE...MINE!"
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On July 16 2011 04:33 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 04:25 SiNoCiDe wrote:
A shame that MC and Nada agreed to represent a trashy sponsor such as SK. They lost my respect after what they did to Madfrog.
What exactly did they do to madfrog?
Taken off the interview from Gosugamers
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"Fredrik needs more budget than we are willing to pay for one StarCraft 2 player at the moment," explained Muller. "He is a great guy and player and we had a good time to check where he and SK are in terms of StarCraft 2. But for him to do what he wants, probably moving to Korea and all, we would have to invest way more than what we think [an organization] should in StarCraft 2 these days."
"If [MaDFroG] were a top 5 candidate, it would have been a different scenario. I mean no disrespect, but to sum it up, his expectations and ours did not match for 2011," he said. "But it's a dynamic market. Anything can happen."
Muller also mentions that it is not so much about saving money:
- "I feel players have the wrong approach. Right now the casters are the stars, not the players," says Muller
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