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On July 16 2011 02:56 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:52 tdt wrote:
Hope NaDa improves. Is he really a threat at major international tournaments in his current state? MC always is but NaDa I'm not so sure. However it's NaDa so that name alone may be enough to lure big money sponsors to slap logos on his jersey.
Making it to the ro16 in code S is still pretty decent although its his worst performance in the GSL so far...by itself that says a lot. He's still better than any foreigner the only people he's lost to are top code S Koreans.
*cough* Strelok *cough*
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On July 16 2011 03:03 Aurdon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 03:00 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:58 Aurdon wrote:On July 16 2011 02:50 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:45 Aurdon wrote:On July 16 2011 02:40 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:38 Aurdon wrote:
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.
SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing. You don't see Stride'Tyler wearing a Stride Gum uniform, this deal is completely different from any sponsorship deal. It's not different. Nada and MC will train with OGS members and live with OGS members. The only thing SK about Nada and MC is that they will take their money for travel costs and in return mention SK when their name gets called at foreigner events. Sounds a lot like a sponsorship to me than joining a team. To me having to wear another team's uniform and tag in return for travel costs is not standard for sponsorships. Perhaps you can remind me where this has happened before. TLAF'LIQUID' That TLAF part is a sponsors name. So what does SK'OGS'MC sound like? You're ignoring the uniform part. You're ignoring the part where OGS and Nada don't train, live, or have anything to do with SK other than take their money to fly places.
That has nothing to do with what I was saying. Read my post again:
To me having to wear another team's uniform and tag in return for travel costs is not standard for sponsorships. Perhaps you can remind me where this has happened before.
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Last I checked, sc2 is a 1v1 game, not a team game. Players play matches alone. Not sue whye veryone is up in arms over this 'team' crap. Sure its nice to have a 'team' to practice with, but what does that mean anyways when they dont even compete together(cept for gstl)?
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Yeah this is really bizarre. SK had a team for a while, but never seemed to have much interest in it, and really never seemed to show any initiative in picking up other players beyond Inuh, Jimpo, and Madfrog. Then they drop their team and...
... become this weird Frankenstein of a team to two of the highest profile players in the scene? How does this make any sense? Does SK actually believe that this is a legitimate team format? Does SK actually believe that people will connect MC and NaDa to their organization? I really can't understand what SK, after failing to build a team the normal way, hopes to accomplish with this stunt.
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On July 16 2011 02:52 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:49 ineq wrote:On July 16 2011 02:40 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:38 Aurdon wrote:
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.
SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing. You don't see Stride'Tyler wearing a Stride Gum uniform, this deal is completely different from any sponsorship deal. That's why this deal sucks. They do what a sponsor would do. (donate money) And they get credit for what a team does. (managing players) I'm pretty sure oGs probably don't give a rats ass if MC and NaDa go under the SK-tag outside of Korea, since their sponsors are Korean based and only cares about the Korean market. (except SK, now) But SK are somehow getting credit for beeing a team? Yep, agreed completely. Having a player represent two different teams is unheard of and will not benefit the scene.
You're right, the deal that means having Nada at foreign events will only hurt ESPORTS.
Seriously guys...
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This is great. So awesome. Couldn't be more excited.
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On July 16 2011 01:38 mindwave1sg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 18:55 Horst wrote:
I've never heard of SK gaming... who are they? They're an old school team, started out with Counter Strike, I'm sure anyone that play counter strike would know them. They competed in CPL, Cyber Professional League and won many championships
they started with Quake World moved to Quake3 and added later a cs squad
makes me sad how anyone is not aware of the most awesome games :[
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On July 16 2011 03:09 stratmatt wrote:
Last I checked, sc2 is a 1v1 game, not a team game. Players play matches alone. Not sue whye veryone is up in arms over this 'team' crap. Sure its nice to have a 'team' to practice with, but what does that mean anyways when they dont even compete together(cept for gstl)?
Because practice with teammates is essential for the success of Korean progamers, and that is part of why they are better than foreign progamers?
If MC and Nada were actually bought by SK and they were simply left to their own devices, their skill level would drop guaranteed.
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I swear its so ridiculous watching so many people complain about 'teams'. A 'team' game is cs 1.6, a 'team' game is halo. Sc2 is not a team game, players just share sponsorships basically. They can practice with whoever they want.
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But they dont compete as a team. Its not a team game.
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was huge fan of SK back in warcraft 3... really glad they taking the step over to sc2! best of luck to nada and MC congrats to them both
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Sounds like SK is desperate to keep their "brand" alive in the SC2 scene.
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Anyone got a mop because I need to mop up the brains I just blew all over the of floor.
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On July 16 2011 03:06 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 03:03 Aurdon wrote:On July 16 2011 03:00 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:58 Aurdon wrote:On July 16 2011 02:50 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:45 Aurdon wrote:On July 16 2011 02:40 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:38 Aurdon wrote:
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.
SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing. You don't see Stride'Tyler wearing a Stride Gum uniform, this deal is completely different from any sponsorship deal. It's not different. Nada and MC will train with OGS members and live with OGS members. The only thing SK about Nada and MC is that they will take their money for travel costs and in return mention SK when their name gets called at foreigner events. Sounds a lot like a sponsorship to me than joining a team. To me having to wear another team's uniform and tag in return for travel costs is not standard for sponsorships. Perhaps you can remind me where this has happened before. TLAF'LIQUID' That TLAF part is a sponsors name. So what does SK'OGS'MC sound like? You're ignoring the uniform part. You're ignoring the part where OGS and Nada don't train, live, or have anything to do with SK other than take their money to fly places. That has nothing to do with what I was saying. Read my post again: Show nested quote +To me having to wear another team's uniform and tag in return for travel costs is not standard for sponsorships. Perhaps you can remind me where this has happened before.
I have read your posts. We'll have to wait and see what the 'SK SC2 Team Jersey' will look like.
Maybe they'll just put their names in big letters on the front as well as OGS name on the front.
It might look something like this:
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/LiquidShirt.jpg)
See that put both Liquid and TLAF prominently on the front of the shirt. Oh wait, TLAF is just a sponsor. Kind of like how SK is just a sponsor.
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On July 16 2011 03:12 stratmatt wrote:
But they dont compete as a team. Its not a team game.
No, it's a 1v1. But playing as a team makes the individual players better than they would be if they played separately. That's the point of the Korean model. That's why they're better than us, and if you remove them from that they will start to become worse.
Sk won't be doing that. But are not contributing to the players' success, only opening opportunities to play at more foreign events. And like MC said, playing at these events comes at the cost of degrading their skill (lack of practice).
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On July 16 2011 03:09 tree.hugger wrote:
Yeah this is really bizarre. SK had a team for a while, but never seemed to have much interest in it, and really never seemed to show any initiative in picking up other players beyond Inuh, Jimpo, and Madfrog. Then they drop their team and...
... become this weird Frankenstein of a team to two of the highest profile players in the scene? How does this make any sense? Does SK actually believe that this is a legitimate team format? Does SK actually believe that people will connect MC and NaDa to their organization? I really can't understand what SK, after failing to build a team the normal way, hopes to accomplish with this stunt.
How do you quantify recognition gained? You can't. SK knows that but they have something to show to the sponsors who are even less qualified to judge the value of this "aquisition".
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It's funny how this thread keeps looping. What was said on page 10 is still beeing said on page 28..
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On July 16 2011 03:15 Aurdon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 03:06 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 03:03 Aurdon wrote:On July 16 2011 03:00 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:58 Aurdon wrote:On July 16 2011 02:50 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:45 Aurdon wrote:On July 16 2011 02:40 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:38 Aurdon wrote:
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.
SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing. You don't see Stride'Tyler wearing a Stride Gum uniform, this deal is completely different from any sponsorship deal. It's not different. Nada and MC will train with OGS members and live with OGS members. The only thing SK about Nada and MC is that they will take their money for travel costs and in return mention SK when their name gets called at foreigner events. Sounds a lot like a sponsorship to me than joining a team. To me having to wear another team's uniform and tag in return for travel costs is not standard for sponsorships. Perhaps you can remind me where this has happened before. TLAF'LIQUID' That TLAF part is a sponsors name. So what does SK'OGS'MC sound like? You're ignoring the uniform part. You're ignoring the part where OGS and Nada don't train, live, or have anything to do with SK other than take their money to fly places. That has nothing to do with what I was saying. Read my post again: To me having to wear another team's uniform and tag in return for travel costs is not standard for sponsorships. Perhaps you can remind me where this has happened before. I have read your posts. We'll have to wait and see what the 'SK SC2 Team Jersey' will look like. Maybe they'll just put their names in big letters on the front as well as OGS name on the front. It might look something like this: See that put both Liquid and TLAF prominently on the front of the shirt. Oh wait, TLAF is just a sponsor. Kind of like how SK is just a sponsor.
I doubt it(TeamLiquid is more prominent than TLAF on that shirt btw).
I'm anticipating the standard SK uniform with oGs written somewhere inconspicuous.
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On July 16 2011 03:17 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 03:12 stratmatt wrote:
But they dont compete as a team. Its not a team game. No, it's a 1v1. But playing as a team makes the individual players better than they would be if they played separately. That's the point of the Korean model. That's why they're better than us, and if you remove them from that they will start to become worse.
You are right, its always a great idea to practice with world-class players, but MC and NADA want to go global, something their 'team' does not allow them to do. So in steps SK, a world-reknowned gaming ORG, and offers to send them to every foreign tournament possible. They now represent SK as well. Not hard to understand. You represent your sponsors, PERIOD. If you read the article, they are both still on TEAM OGS but are now supported by SK Gaming as well. No need to cry about it. I cant believe people would see this as bad.
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On July 16 2011 03:09 tree.hugger wrote:
Yeah this is really bizarre. SK had a team for a while, but never seemed to have much interest in it, and really never seemed to show any initiative in picking up other players beyond Inuh, Jimpo, and Madfrog. Then they drop their team and...
... become this weird Frankenstein of a team to two of the highest profile players in the scene? How does this make any sense? Does SK actually believe that this is a legitimate team format? Does SK actually believe that people will connect MC and NaDa to their organization? I really can't understand what SK, after failing to build a team the normal way, hopes to accomplish with this stunt.
I agree with this^^.
They are essentially paying 2 of the better players to wear their uniforms while out of Korea. It doesn't make any sense... SK hasn't done much at all with Sc2 and their SC:bw attempts were a complete joke.
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