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BilltownRunner
Profile Joined July 2010
United States229 Posts
July 15 2011 17:22 GMT
#501
Why are people assuming they will be wearing an oGs shirt with just a patch of SK? If SK is sending them to foreign tournaments and funding all their costs I am sure they will be wearing an SK jersey.
whereismymind
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom717 Posts
July 15 2011 17:24 GMT
#502
This is huge. Can't wait to see NaDa in SK.Gaming apparel!
one day.. i'll lose my mind
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 15 2011 17:24 GMT
#503
On July 16 2011 02:22 BilltownRunner wrote:
Why are people assuming they will be wearing an oGs shirt with just a patch of SK? If SK is sending them to foreign tournaments and funding all their costs I am sure they will be wearing an SK jersey.


It says on the front page that they will wear an SK patch in Korea, and foreign they will wear an SK jersey.
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 17:25:33
July 15 2011 17:24 GMT
#504
On July 16 2011 02:22 BilltownRunner wrote:
Why are people assuming they will be wearing an oGs shirt with just a patch of SK? If SK is sending them to foreign tournaments and funding all their costs I am sure they will be wearing an SK jersey.

You are correct.
At non-Korean events they will wear SK Gaming uniforms.

Still SK.MC just does not sound good, SK.NaDa is bit better but still no oGs.
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 17:28:11
July 15 2011 17:25 GMT
#505
On July 16 2011 02:19 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 02:17 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 02:16 kraut wrote:
On July 16 2011 02:11 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 02:06 Longshank wrote:
On July 16 2011 02:00 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 01:58 Zeddicus wrote:
This feels akward for me too. Feels like SK is paying to have their badge put on oGmMC and oGsNada. Why not sponsor oGs and have your badge on all of their players all of the time?


Cause they want this sponsorship to look like MC and NaDa are actually SK players.


If SK are paying the salaries at least partially then they are actually SK players. For all we know they may as well do so since they'll be wearing the SK tag even in Korea.


That's where people are making a mistake. Paying a player does not mean he is on you're team. It means you're a sponsor, just like Stride, Dr Pepper and Sony Ericsson provide personal sponsorships.

I guess you're right in partially, but to what extent though? do you consider HuK a TLAF player or a Liquid player?

This is all confusing as hell because a professional team is acting like a sponsor would.


in your logic he is oGs


Yeah he is, is there any logic where he's not?

Then what's wrong with MC being SK?

Everything.
I wouldn't be surprised if SK approached oGs to buyout MC. Getting the "Hell NO" they settled on an agreement where I hope SK gets bend over bigtime for destroying the best CS team.

**edit**
Letting off some steam, I hope I don't get the ban for it.
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ineq
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden376 Posts
July 15 2011 17:25 GMT
#506
On July 16 2011 02:20 kraut wrote:
i meant HuK


How does that mean HuK is oGs? it's not called the oGs-Liquid house for no reason. Now if SK had any involvement in that, then MC beeing a SK player would make sense.

What i'm saying is that if you wan't to call MC a part of SK, you would also have to wonder if TLAF is really HuK's team instead of Liquid, cause TLAF are paying him after all.
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Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
July 15 2011 17:26 GMT
#507
On July 16 2011 02:11 ineq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 02:06 Longshank wrote:
On July 16 2011 02:00 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 01:58 Zeddicus wrote:
This feels akward for me too. Feels like SK is paying to have their badge put on oGmMC and oGsNada. Why not sponsor oGs and have your badge on all of their players all of the time?


Cause they want this sponsorship to look like MC and NaDa are actually SK players.


If SK are paying the salaries at least partially then they are actually SK players. For all we know they may as well do so since they'll be wearing the SK tag even in Korea.


That's where people are making a mistake. Paying a player does not mean he is on you're team. It means you're a sponsor, just like Stride, Dr Pepper and Sony Ericsson provide personal sponsorships.

I guess you're right in partially, but to what extent though? do you consider HuK a TLAF player or a Liquid player?

This is all confusing as hell because a professional team is acting like a sponsor would.


Sorry but the only mistake here is you mixing up 'team' with 'organization'. They are two different things. SK is an organization, not a team. HuK and Jinro belong to Team Liquid the organization as well, TLAF is just the sponsor, just as SK has their sponsors.

Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
July 15 2011 17:28 GMT
#508
wow, pretty epic :D

does SK stand for south korea? haha
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Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
July 15 2011 17:29 GMT
#509
On July 16 2011 02:24 godemperor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 02:22 BilltownRunner wrote:
Why are people assuming they will be wearing an oGs shirt with just a patch of SK? If SK is sending them to foreign tournaments and funding all their costs I am sure they will be wearing an SK jersey.

You are correct.
Show nested quote +
At non-Korean events they will wear SK Gaming uniforms.

Still SK.MC just does not sound good, SK.NaDa is bit better but still no oGs.


Damn, that really muddies up the way sponsorships work if they have to wear an SK jersey if they play abroad.

First time I hear about this happening in eSports and Sports in general.
/commercial
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
July 15 2011 17:30 GMT
#510
why doesnt SK just set up a team.

i dont like this"representation" crap
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
July 15 2011 17:30 GMT
#511
SK gaming has been dominating CS 1.6 for years. Pretty crazy that they have Nada and MC on their roster now.
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Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 17:36:12
July 15 2011 17:33 GMT
#512
On July 16 2011 02:30 slytown wrote:
SK gaming has been dominating CS 1.6 for years. Pretty crazy that they have Nada and MC on their roster now.


dominating is hardly accurate

They might've been always top 5, with some rises to first place, but they're deff not the best over the years.
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morbvs
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany358 Posts
July 15 2011 17:35 GMT
#513
Probably a good and well considered deal for all sides. At least from a financial point of view.

1. ogs is probably not willing to pay for all the traveling, especially since they are korean focussed, as well as their sponsorship contracts probably are
2. SK has access to the foreign community, and his based in Germany, but active in a lot more countries that are interesting for international sponsors. SC 2 is THE game right now, so presenting 2 of the greatest players is something sponsors will find attractive (sponsors which ogs would probably not have access to)
3. SK has a Korean working for them full time anyway, so interpreters and the (considerable) additional cost they might cause are gone
4. MC and NaDa seem to be interested in attending foreigner events, so the deal is definetely good for them

So you basically get the most money out of those two players. Saying this deal would be bad for SK (as many people here did) is something I would not support right away. SK is not stupid, they wouldn't have done this if it was bad for them.

The most important pieces of information about this deal are unavailable though:

a. Who pays the wages? ( I assume only ogs)
b. Does SK get a share of every price money (outside of korea) the 2 players gather? And how big is that share? (I assume they'll get quite a percentage)

However, I would have preferred if SK just hired a "real" own squad. Well, maybe there are things to come, maybe not...
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
July 15 2011 17:35 GMT
#514
i am now confused about the TL-oGs partnership. So MC and NaDa will only represent TL in Korea, but at foreign events, they'll be SK....
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
July 15 2011 17:36 GMT
#515
I dont see this ending well. SK seems desperate to show a presence so hopefully MC and Nada got favorable terms.
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Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
July 15 2011 17:37 GMT
#516
I think SK kind of got this wrong. Nobody will in their wildest dreams think that Nada & MC is representing them ? Nobody will think "SK.Nada SK.MC" , for this to happen they should have bought the players from oGs or recruited them from there depending on contract etc.

This seems like terrible leadership from SK. No idea who authorized this, but why have players nobody will associated with the brand, all because of the way the deal works ?
Dead girls don't say no.
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
July 15 2011 17:38 GMT
#517
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.


SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing.
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 17:39:25
July 15 2011 17:39 GMT
#518
MC and NaDa representing SK? They have always represented South Korea. Nothing new
ineq
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden376 Posts
July 15 2011 17:39 GMT
#519
On July 16 2011 02:26 Longshank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 02:11 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 02:06 Longshank wrote:
On July 16 2011 02:00 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 01:58 Zeddicus wrote:
This feels akward for me too. Feels like SK is paying to have their badge put on oGmMC and oGsNada. Why not sponsor oGs and have your badge on all of their players all of the time?


Cause they want this sponsorship to look like MC and NaDa are actually SK players.


If SK are paying the salaries at least partially then they are actually SK players. For all we know they may as well do so since they'll be wearing the SK tag even in Korea.


That's where people are making a mistake. Paying a player does not mean he is on you're team. It means you're a sponsor, just like Stride, Dr Pepper and Sony Ericsson provide personal sponsorships.

I guess you're right in partially, but to what extent though? do you consider HuK a TLAF player or a Liquid player?

This is all confusing as hell because a professional team is acting like a sponsor would.


Sorry but the only mistake here is you mixing up 'team' with 'organization'. They are two different things. SK is an organization, not a team. HuK and Jinro belong to Team Liquid the organization as well, TLAF is just the sponsor, just as SK has their sponsors.



Well if that's how you want to put it the organization SK-Gaming is acting like a sponsor similar to TLAF would, thus making it nothing more than a sponsor, regardless of what SK-Gaming is.

They did join a new organization, but not a new team, they got a personal sponsorship.

Liquid`HuK getting sponsored by Stride does not make him a part of their team.
oGsMC & oGsNaDa getting sponsored by SK-Gaming does not make them a part of their team.

The fault in this whole deal is SK-Gaming calling MC and NaDa part of their team, when all they really are doing is acting as personal sponsors.

See what i'm saying?
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Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
July 15 2011 17:40 GMT
#520
On July 16 2011 02:38 Aurdon wrote:
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.


SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing.


You don't see Stride'Tyler wearing a Stride Gum uniform, this deal is completely different from any sponsorship deal.
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