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On July 16 2011 02:40 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:38 Aurdon wrote:
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.
SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing. You don't see Stride'Tyler wearing a Stride Gum uniform, this deal is completely different from any sponsorship deal.
It's not different. Nada and MC will train with OGS members and live with OGS members.
The only thing SK about Nada and MC is that they will take their money for travel costs and in return mention SK when their name gets called at foreigner events.
Sounds a lot like a sponsorship to me than joining a team.
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It's not really important if the community considers them to be real SK players, I guess.
It's all about the money... What does SK care if the have 2 players with their and their sponsor's badges on them are the players that create the biggest amount of attention and "on air" time on broadcasts of international events... These are the figures SK can go to their sponsors with and show off. I don't think that SK sponsors will browse the community forums to see what the threads there say.
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On July 16 2011 02:40 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:38 Aurdon wrote:
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.
SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing. You don't see Stride'Tyler wearing a Stride Gum uniform, this deal is completely different from any sponsorship deal.
That's why this deal sucks. They do what a sponsor would do. (donate money) And they get credit for what a team does. (managing players)
I'm pretty sure oGs probably don't give a rats ass if MC and NaDa go under the SK-tag outside of Korea, since their sponsors are Korean based and only cares about the Korean market. (except SK, now)
But SK are somehow getting credit for beeing a team?
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On July 16 2011 02:45 Aurdon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:40 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:38 Aurdon wrote:
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.
SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing. You don't see Stride'Tyler wearing a Stride Gum uniform, this deal is completely different from any sponsorship deal. It's not different. Nada and MC will train with OGS members and live with OGS members. The only thing SK about Nada and MC is that they will take their money for travel costs and in return mention SK when their name gets called at foreigner events. Sounds a lot like a sponsorship to me than joining a team.
To me having to wear another team's uniform and tag in return for travel costs is not standard for sponsorships. Perhaps you can remind me where this has happened before.
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On July 16 2011 02:48 morbvs wrote:
It's not really important if the community considers them to be real SK players, I guess.
It's all about the money... What does SK care if the have 2 players with their and their sponsor's badges on them are the players that create the biggest amount of attention and "on air" time on broadcasts of international events... These are the figures SK can go to their sponsors with and show off. I don't think that SK sponsors will browse the community forums to see what the threads there say.
Sponsoring any kind of organization without knowing their background would be nothing short of stupid.
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What an interesting turn of events.
I think its more of a sponsorship than an actual team recruit. II like to think of it more as a partnership where MC and NaDa are just partnering with SK.Gaming to be funded to go to tourneys outside of Korea. That is all.
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On July 16 2011 02:49 ineq wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:40 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:38 Aurdon wrote:
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.
SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing. You don't see Stride'Tyler wearing a Stride Gum uniform, this deal is completely different from any sponsorship deal. That's why this deal sucks. They do what a sponsor would do. (donate money) And they get credit for what a team does. (managing players) I'm pretty sure oGs probably don't give a rats ass if MC and NaDa go under the SK-tag outside of Korea, since their sponsors are Korean based and only cares about the Korean market. (except SK, now) But SK are somehow getting credit for beeing a team?
Yep, agreed completely. Having a player represent two different teams is unheard of and will not benefit the scene.
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Hope NaDa improves. Is he really a threat at major international tournaments in his current state? MC always is but NaDa I'm not so sure. However it's NaDa so that name alone may be enough to lure big money sponsors to slap logos on his jersey.
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I love MC, NaDa, oGs, and SK, but I think this is a very foolish move on the part of SK. Not only are they doing less to promote the growth in the foreign scene but they are essentially picking up ringers rather than teammates. MC and NaDa aren't leaving oGs to play for SK, they are simply playing for them when it suits them.
Having a player be on two different teams defeats the whole purpose of having a team. If i were running the EGMC or another team based tournament I wouldn't let them play any players that were on multiple teams as it's no different than having paid ringers play for you.
There's nothing to stop a team from handing out a little monetary incentive to some heavy hitters like Bomber, Puma, or DRG to play key matches that would lets say get them into the finals for EGMC.
I don't like it at all... if they left oGs and joined SK I could understand that (not that it would ever happen) but pulling ringers is making sc2 feel like HON.
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I'm in the process of going through all 27 pages of this, but to me from what I understand isn't SK actually just sponsoring those 2 players?
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On July 16 2011 02:52 tdt wrote:
Hope NaDa improves. Is he really a threat at major international tournaments in his current state? MC always is but NaDa I'm not so sure. However it's NaDa so that name alone may be enough to lure big money sponsors to slap logos on his jersey.
Making it to the ro16 in code S is still pretty decent although its his worst performance in the GSL so far...by itself that says a lot. He's still better than any foreigner the only people he's lost to are top code S Koreans.
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Interesting - would have been more interesting if they signed players of their own of their own, but the good news is we'll see a lot more of NaDa (MC was already traveling everywhere it seemed) in foreign events 
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On July 16 2011 02:56 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
I'm in the process of going through all 27 pages of this, but to me from what I understand isn't SK actually just sponsoring those 2 players?
In exchange for MC and NaDa using an SK jersey and name tag when playing abroad.
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On July 15 2011 21:35 zul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 21:31 w33dOr wrote:
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So a big part of the euro / US audience will not think about ogs when seeing these sk guys play. You might be wrong. Most of the audience will recognize MC and NaDa as oGs players and the new audience will get this background information too very fast, as they surf through the forums.
Who cares? SK wants cash flow and gets that cash via sponsors who are probably more than willing to shell it out for a future winning team, SK. Just keeping it real.
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On July 16 2011 02:50 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:45 Aurdon wrote:On July 16 2011 02:40 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:38 Aurdon wrote:
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.
SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing. You don't see Stride'Tyler wearing a Stride Gum uniform, this deal is completely different from any sponsorship deal. It's not different. Nada and MC will train with OGS members and live with OGS members. The only thing SK about Nada and MC is that they will take their money for travel costs and in return mention SK when their name gets called at foreigner events. Sounds a lot like a sponsorship to me than joining a team. To me having to wear another team's uniform and tag in return for travel costs is not standard for sponsorships. Perhaps you can remind me where this has happened before.
TLAF'LIQUID'
That TLAF part is a sponsors name.
So what does SK'OGS'MC sound like?
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On July 16 2011 02:58 Aurdon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:50 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:45 Aurdon wrote:On July 16 2011 02:40 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:38 Aurdon wrote:
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.
SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing. You don't see Stride'Tyler wearing a Stride Gum uniform, this deal is completely different from any sponsorship deal. It's not different. Nada and MC will train with OGS members and live with OGS members. The only thing SK about Nada and MC is that they will take their money for travel costs and in return mention SK when their name gets called at foreigner events. Sounds a lot like a sponsorship to me than joining a team. To me having to wear another team's uniform and tag in return for travel costs is not standard for sponsorships. Perhaps you can remind me where this has happened before. TLAF'LIQUID' That TLAF part is a sponsors name. So what does SK'OGS'MC sound like?
lol imagine someone whos never heard of mc before...just a random mix of letters xd
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On July 16 2011 02:58 Aurdon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:50 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:45 Aurdon wrote:On July 16 2011 02:40 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:38 Aurdon wrote:
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.
SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing. You don't see Stride'Tyler wearing a Stride Gum uniform, this deal is completely different from any sponsorship deal. It's not different. Nada and MC will train with OGS members and live with OGS members. The only thing SK about Nada and MC is that they will take their money for travel costs and in return mention SK when their name gets called at foreigner events. Sounds a lot like a sponsorship to me than joining a team. To me having to wear another team's uniform and tag in return for travel costs is not standard for sponsorships. Perhaps you can remind me where this has happened before. TLAF'LIQUID' That TLAF part is a sponsors name. So what does SK'OGS'MC sound like?
You're ignoring the uniform part.
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On July 16 2011 01:42 stratmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 01:33 ineq wrote:On July 16 2011 01:27 stratmatt wrote:The problem with cs is that it was dieing out before the business of esports was well defined enough to make anything worthwhile. With sc2 we have a brand new game with the enthusiasm and infrastructure needed in place to take esports to a whole new level globally. SK is one of the best esports orgs out there despite what some people here say, and this is the best possible move they could have made. SK's reputation combined with Nada and Mc's is a great thing for sc2 any way you slice it. Plus its nice to see the very best cs team on the same team as the best sc2 players SK doesnt **** around. Isn't fucking around what they are doing though? They're dipping a toe, and not putting the whole foot down. It seems to me like they're afraid of taking the big step of making a team of their own, after the failure of their "rookie" team. How is ponying up the cash to support the best players in the world and give them what they want 'dipping their toe in'? They dont want to pay for subpar players and HOPE things work out in a few years. They want to WIN, and NOW. Like I said, if OGS were up to sending these guys the world over to compete, SK wouldnt have anything to offer them, but in this case they do.
That is exactly the problem.
An important part of business presentation is the stuff that is left out of any announcement or deal. Let's look at it this way.
What did SK Gaming announce?
- A partnership with oGs that means MC and Nada will represent SK in foreign and Korean events (to different levels).
- ...
No announcement to build some type of infrastructure to create a SC2 team. No announcement of intentions to create another SC2 team in general. No announcement to make some kind of contribution towards cultivating the skill of potential SC2 pros. No announcement to do anything towards maintaining Nada/MC's current skills. Now without the writing we don't know the exact terms or limitations, but it sounds like SK will have no hand in the day-to-day activities of these players. They won't provide practice partners or a coach/overseer to monitor their progress, etc.
Obviously they want what you said they want: brand name success NOW instead of later. Think about how many businesses succeed without long-term investment or planning. If something happens to stunt their success, perhaps a car accident or a wrist injury, what depth does SK's SC2 division have to compensate for this?
So it's no wonder that people are automatically assuming SK is buying players to make up for their failures to establish a solid team. Because it doesn't sound like SK intends on building a team anytime soon.
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On July 16 2011 03:00 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:58 Aurdon wrote:On July 16 2011 02:50 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:45 Aurdon wrote:On July 16 2011 02:40 Novalisk wrote:On July 16 2011 02:38 Aurdon wrote:
They are not SK members. They are OGS Members. They just have an SK sponsorship.
SK has now turned into Stride Gum. This is kind of disappointing. You don't see Stride'Tyler wearing a Stride Gum uniform, this deal is completely different from any sponsorship deal. It's not different. Nada and MC will train with OGS members and live with OGS members. The only thing SK about Nada and MC is that they will take their money for travel costs and in return mention SK when their name gets called at foreigner events. Sounds a lot like a sponsorship to me than joining a team. To me having to wear another team's uniform and tag in return for travel costs is not standard for sponsorships. Perhaps you can remind me where this has happened before. TLAF'LIQUID' That TLAF part is a sponsors name. So what does SK'OGS'MC sound like? You're ignoring the uniform part.
You're ignoring the part where OGS and Nada don't train, live, or have anything to do with SK other than take their money to fly places.
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Seems wierd and pointless to have a gamer pretending to be on your team...
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