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On July 16 2011 00:44 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:35 ineq wrote:On July 16 2011 00:28 stratmatt wrote:On July 16 2011 00:05 adeptz wrote:
Just another desperate move to keep themselves "in the game" when they've totally missed the boat on sc2. I seriously wonder what goes on in their management meetings, or how they actually let the SK-gaming brand become like this. Anyone following counter-strike eons ago would remember SK to be an esports powerhouse then - they had the major sponsors, the branding, the content...now look at them.
I don't know, maybe it all went to shit when bds left the helm.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Welcome to esports. In REAL sports, teams buy off players ALL THE TIME to compete. It goes with the business of running a succesful esports team. People annoyed by this are like cavaliers fans when Lebron left. These players play for themselves more than the team they play for. Nada and MC saw this as a chance to have a more global presence while at the same time representing one of the MOST FAMOUS esports teams of ALL TIME. This is huge news for both the players and the teams and beneficial to both. Heaton nd Potti(god bless their souls) had a huge falling out with SK and Im sure if anything were legally wrong with the situation they would have had a leg to stand on in court. Chances are that they broke their contracts in a way that left them in a tough spot. If you followed cs at all, you would know they never agreed with managmentt toward the end of their tenure due to roster changes and other things, and left to form their own team again. Either way, that doesnt negate the success SK has had over the years in terms of both management AND players. Could you please explain to me why this is beneficial for SK? I'm not trying to be hostile or anything. But i'm just seeing this having a negative impact on SK as a brand. They may attract new and uneducated fans, but as has been said before, they'll learn that MC and NaDa actually are not a product of SK, but of oGs, and thus noone will really care that they're representing SK, when oGs is the real reason behind their success. And sponsors will know this aswell, no doubt. The organization will in my opinion look like a bunch of slackers looking for a quick buck, even though that's not the case. Could you please explain to me why having players on a team is beneficial for any team? Teams make money off exposure and advertising. If you read the comments, half the community here has no idea who SK is as an organization. Now they will have top contenders in every foreigner tournament wearing their (and their sponsors) logo. This is basically what every team dreams of. They also developed links to Korea, which no other team has done (aside from TL, because they had ties to Spunky). Do you guys know how many players want the chance to come from Korea to play in foreigner tournaments? Now they can have them on contract. If they sign a few more Koreans by being able to just buy their plane tickets, you will see SK have 3 in the top 5 of every tournament without having to do a single thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they had this planned from this start. Why bother growing a team when this is a risk-free venture for all the rewards of having your own team?!?!? There is a reason the Yankees are the Yankees.
SK has the connections. It is just a bit unexpected that they'd do a partnership or sponsorship in this way.
SK had many Koreans in their wc3 squad. They also know most if not all famous ex-wc3 Korean players who no doubt switched over to sc2.
Obviously if they don't pay MC or NaDa any prize money they won or any other accommodation that they've settled in their contracts (presuming there are contracts) the whole sc2 world will shit on SK and SK will no doubt face the negative consequences from their own sponsors.
P.S. I'm so happy to see NaDa compete at a foreign tournament in sc2 ^^ Day9 to cast it would make it perfect :D
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SK-Gaming? Wow, havn't heard from them in ages, thought they'd died out.
Well interesting news I have to say, allthough SK has a known pass of doing some shady deals...lets hope everything turns out nice and dandy here.
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Also, lol at the idea of 'growing' a SC2 team. Sure its a nice story, but SK has already 'grown' its entire organization for 10+ years now. You guys think just any random organization can pull something like this off? SK earned its reputation and can now do this kind of stuff as it sees fit. The reaction to this to me just shows how ignorant a lot of the new sc2 community is when it comes to esports in general. CS was a lot liek this in its very early days, but eventually the business side of things became more understood. At the end of the day, you get to see your favorite players competing in more tournament, and thats great for everybody involved, despite what a few people with sour grapes might think.
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This seems incredibly odd. I'm not sure why oGs would allow this.
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"At domestic events, in South Korea, MC and NaDa will play as oGs players, but with an SK Gaming patch on their uniforms."
do u guys even read?
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On July 16 2011 00:49 ineq wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:44 mprs wrote:On July 16 2011 00:35 ineq wrote:On July 16 2011 00:28 stratmatt wrote:On July 16 2011 00:05 adeptz wrote:
Just another desperate move to keep themselves "in the game" when they've totally missed the boat on sc2. I seriously wonder what goes on in their management meetings, or how they actually let the SK-gaming brand become like this. Anyone following counter-strike eons ago would remember SK to be an esports powerhouse then - they had the major sponsors, the branding, the content...now look at them.
I don't know, maybe it all went to shit when bds left the helm.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Welcome to esports. In REAL sports, teams buy off players ALL THE TIME to compete. It goes with the business of running a succesful esports team. People annoyed by this are like cavaliers fans when Lebron left. These players play for themselves more than the team they play for. Nada and MC saw this as a chance to have a more global presence while at the same time representing one of the MOST FAMOUS esports teams of ALL TIME. This is huge news for both the players and the teams and beneficial to both. Heaton nd Potti(god bless their souls) had a huge falling out with SK and Im sure if anything were legally wrong with the situation they would have had a leg to stand on in court. Chances are that they broke their contracts in a way that left them in a tough spot. If you followed cs at all, you would know they never agreed with managmentt toward the end of their tenure due to roster changes and other things, and left to form their own team again. Either way, that doesnt negate the success SK has had over the years in terms of both management AND players. Could you please explain to me why this is beneficial for SK? I'm not trying to be hostile or anything. But i'm just seeing this having a negative impact on SK as a brand. They may attract new and uneducated fans, but as has been said before, they'll learn that MC and NaDa actually are not a product of SK, but of oGs, and thus noone will really care that they're representing SK, when oGs is the real reason behind their success. And sponsors will know this aswell, no doubt. The organization will in my opinion look like a bunch of slackers looking for a quick buck, even though that's not the case. Could you please explain to me why having players on a team is beneficial for any team? Teams make money off exposure and advertising. If you read the comments, half the community here has no idea who SK is as an organization. Now they will have top contenders in every foreigner tournament wearing their (and their sponsors) logo. This is basically what every team dreams of. They also developed links to Korea, which no other team has done (aside from TL, because they had ties to Spunky). Do you guys know how many players want the chance to come from Korea to play in foreigner tournaments? Now they can have them on contract. If they sign a few more Koreans by being able to just buy their plane tickets, you will see SK have 3 in the top 5 of every tournament without having to do a single thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they had this planned from this start. Why bother growing a team when this is a risk-free venture for all the rewards of having your own team?!?!? There is a reason the Yankees are the Yankees. Okay, replace "made" with "contributed", and you get my point. SK had absolutely nothing to with the success of these players, and they have no right to display them as their players, unless they buy them from oGs. The only thing SK will do, according to the information at hand, is send them to events outside of Korea, do you think that that's enough to call them SK players? I know i certainly don't. They're taking another teams work and claiming it their own, more or less. And most intelligent people will see through this, that's why i think it's not gonna give them any good publicity. I do on the other hand like that we will get to see NaDa and MC in a huge amount of foreign tournaments though. So from that perspective it's great!
It doesn't matter. MC and Nada will be on a podium in a foreign country with a SK shirt and a big fat SteelSeries logo while 80k+ look on and many more watch in vods.
This type of advertising comes at the price of a plane ticket. Sure he will always be oGs MC, but what comes before his name is irrelevant. SK can go to their sponsors and say "Hey look, we have a guy wearing our shirt, showing your logo, and hes winning everything!!!!!!! Give us more money!".
It doesn't matter that we all know that his real team is oGs. SK itself is now a sponsor, kinda like Razer sponsoring Boxer, or Stride sponsoring Tyler. He gets plane tickets to tournaments, gets to keep the money (or some/most of it), and all he has to do is wear a different shirt (note oGs doesn't even have any sponsors that they would want to direct towards the foreigner world). On the other hand, SK goes from being nothing in the SC2 scene, to having a 20+ page thread, and their names and sponsors are mentioned at every foreign tournament MC and Nada are in (which is what teams want of their players anyway).
I think you are missing the point. This is a business decision, not an ethical one. Yes he is on oGs, but it doesn't matter to SK or hurt them in any way.
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On July 15 2011 19:03 namste wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 19:00 SmoKim wrote:On July 15 2011 18:59 Vasoline73 wrote:SK as in SKT1? If so, I'm waiting for Yellow and ForGG to join KT's newly formed SC2 team  no it's the (Swedish?) E-sport team SK, mostly famous for their CS team, and some other stuff I'm pretty sure SK is a global company. They do host a lot of events in Korea as well.
SK-Gaming is actually a german company located in cologne
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On July 16 2011 00:58 stratmatt wrote:
Also, lol at the idea of 'growing' a SC2 team. Sure its a nice story, but SK has already 'grown' its entire organization for 10+ years now. You guys think just any random organization can pull something like this off? SK earned its reputation and can now do this kind of stuff as it sees fit. The reaction to this to me just shows how ignorant a lot of the new sc2 community is when it comes to esports in general. CS was a lot liek this in its very early days, but eventually the business side of things became more understood. At the end of the day, you get to see your favorite players competing in more tournament, and thats great for everybody involved, despite what a few people with sour grapes might think.
I see your point - but out of curiousity, when did part-time contracted ringing in dual teams happen "back in the early days"?
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On July 16 2011 01:01 adeptz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:58 stratmatt wrote:
Also, lol at the idea of 'growing' a SC2 team. Sure its a nice story, but SK has already 'grown' its entire organization for 10+ years now. You guys think just any random organization can pull something like this off? SK earned its reputation and can now do this kind of stuff as it sees fit. The reaction to this to me just shows how ignorant a lot of the new sc2 community is when it comes to esports in general. CS was a lot liek this in its very early days, but eventually the business side of things became more understood. At the end of the day, you get to see your favorite players competing in more tournament, and thats great for everybody involved, despite what a few people with sour grapes might think. I see your point - but out of curiousity, when did part-time contracted ringing in dual teams happen "back in the early days"?
Ringing was very common in cs at pretty much all times during its life.
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On July 16 2011 01:04 stratmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 01:01 adeptz wrote:On July 16 2011 00:58 stratmatt wrote:
Also, lol at the idea of 'growing' a SC2 team. Sure its a nice story, but SK has already 'grown' its entire organization for 10+ years now. You guys think just any random organization can pull something like this off? SK earned its reputation and can now do this kind of stuff as it sees fit. The reaction to this to me just shows how ignorant a lot of the new sc2 community is when it comes to esports in general. CS was a lot liek this in its very early days, but eventually the business side of things became more understood. At the end of the day, you get to see your favorite players competing in more tournament, and thats great for everybody involved, despite what a few people with sour grapes might think. I see your point - but out of curiousity, when did part-time contracted ringing in dual teams happen "back in the early days"? Ringing was very common in cs at pretty much all times during its life.
I know "ringing" was - this isn't filling in for a match mind you. I'm referring to "part-time contracted ringing in dual teams". Big difference.
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On July 16 2011 00:57 LittLeD wrote:
SK-Gaming? Wow, havn't heard from them in ages, thought they'd died out.
Well interesting news I have to say, allthough SK has a known pass of doing some shady deals...lets hope everything turns out nice and dandy here.
Same, I don't even know their crew that well.
Still, great deal from them, eh!
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On July 16 2011 00:59 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:49 ineq wrote:On July 16 2011 00:44 mprs wrote:On July 16 2011 00:35 ineq wrote:On July 16 2011 00:28 stratmatt wrote:On July 16 2011 00:05 adeptz wrote:
Just another desperate move to keep themselves "in the game" when they've totally missed the boat on sc2. I seriously wonder what goes on in their management meetings, or how they actually let the SK-gaming brand become like this. Anyone following counter-strike eons ago would remember SK to be an esports powerhouse then - they had the major sponsors, the branding, the content...now look at them.
I don't know, maybe it all went to shit when bds left the helm.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Welcome to esports. In REAL sports, teams buy off players ALL THE TIME to compete. It goes with the business of running a succesful esports team. People annoyed by this are like cavaliers fans when Lebron left. These players play for themselves more than the team they play for. Nada and MC saw this as a chance to have a more global presence while at the same time representing one of the MOST FAMOUS esports teams of ALL TIME. This is huge news for both the players and the teams and beneficial to both. Heaton nd Potti(god bless their souls) had a huge falling out with SK and Im sure if anything were legally wrong with the situation they would have had a leg to stand on in court. Chances are that they broke their contracts in a way that left them in a tough spot. If you followed cs at all, you would know they never agreed with managmentt toward the end of their tenure due to roster changes and other things, and left to form their own team again. Either way, that doesnt negate the success SK has had over the years in terms of both management AND players. Could you please explain to me why this is beneficial for SK? I'm not trying to be hostile or anything. But i'm just seeing this having a negative impact on SK as a brand. They may attract new and uneducated fans, but as has been said before, they'll learn that MC and NaDa actually are not a product of SK, but of oGs, and thus noone will really care that they're representing SK, when oGs is the real reason behind their success. And sponsors will know this aswell, no doubt. The organization will in my opinion look like a bunch of slackers looking for a quick buck, even though that's not the case. Could you please explain to me why having players on a team is beneficial for any team? Teams make money off exposure and advertising. If you read the comments, half the community here has no idea who SK is as an organization. Now they will have top contenders in every foreigner tournament wearing their (and their sponsors) logo. This is basically what every team dreams of. They also developed links to Korea, which no other team has done (aside from TL, because they had ties to Spunky). Do you guys know how many players want the chance to come from Korea to play in foreigner tournaments? Now they can have them on contract. If they sign a few more Koreans by being able to just buy their plane tickets, you will see SK have 3 in the top 5 of every tournament without having to do a single thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they had this planned from this start. Why bother growing a team when this is a risk-free venture for all the rewards of having your own team?!?!? There is a reason the Yankees are the Yankees. Okay, replace "made" with "contributed", and you get my point. SK had absolutely nothing to with the success of these players, and they have no right to display them as their players, unless they buy them from oGs. The only thing SK will do, according to the information at hand, is send them to events outside of Korea, do you think that that's enough to call them SK players? I know i certainly don't. They're taking another teams work and claiming it their own, more or less. And most intelligent people will see through this, that's why i think it's not gonna give them any good publicity. I do on the other hand like that we will get to see NaDa and MC in a huge amount of foreign tournaments though. So from that perspective it's great! It doesn't matter. MC and Nada will be on a podium in a foreign country with a SK shirt and a big fat SteelSeries logo while 80k+ look on and many more watch in vods. This type of advertising comes at the price of a plane ticket. Sure he will always be oGs MC, but what comes before his name is irrelevant. SK can go to their sponsors and say "Hey look, we have a guy wearing our shirt, showing your logo, and hes winning everything!!!!!!! Give us more money!". It doesn't matter that we all know that his real team is oGs. SK itself is now a sponsor, kinda like Razer sponsoring Boxer, or Stride sponsoring Tyler. He gets plane tickets to tournaments, gets to keep the money (or some/most of it), and all he has to do is wear a different shirt (note oGs doesn't even have any sponsors that they would want to direct towards the foreigner world). On the other hand, SK goes from being nothing in the SC2 scene, to having a 20+ page thread, and their names and sponsors are mentioned at every foreign tournament MC and Nada are in (which is what teams want of their players anyway). I think you are missing the point. This is a business decision, not an ethical one. Yes he is on oGs, but it doesn't matter to SK or hurt them in any way.
I understand that it is a buisness descision, but i still don't think it's a good one. If fans can see through their "plan", then so can sponsors. Do you think companies like Intel, Steelseries or BigFoot for example want to be associated with a team that most viewers/fans don't like? I don't.
Image and exposure go hand in hand.
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On July 15 2011 18:56 ragnorr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 18:55 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
Hmm dunno, as long as they are not really leaving oGs, it's not that big of a change. Its just the uniform they are wearing. Nothing about training, housing or similar stuff They are basicly representing SK from what im reading in foreign events. Seems kinda a terrible deal for SK as its not really their "Own" players but just someone you bought to represent you
Isn't that how every pro gaming team works? And it's less about the team name than it is the sponsors behind it. Chances are, oGs has no sponsors that would want representation outside of Korea or at least SK's sponsors don't conflict with oGs' sponsors.
This is amazing news, I would love to see more of MC in the states.
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On July 15 2011 18:56 CEPEHDREI wrote:
i dont like it as a fan of teams and players. feels rly weird
i feel the same way. its just awkward. as a player you are part of two teams? that just makes no sense to me. well i guess if theyre okay with it then it doesnt matter. hope thats the case
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This just comes off as really desperate by SK. They just completely missed the SC2 boat and went "o shit we need some players. lets pay these two guys to represent us". Problem solved!
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So it's a partnership that supports them going to non-korean events? AWESOME! I really want to see NaDa compete outside of korea.
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On July 16 2011 00:43 heaven- wrote:
Why are people freaking out...
SK has always had koreans represent them in RTS games.
SK.Lyn
SK.Violet
Etc...etc..
Yes, but when the koreans played for them in WC3 they didn't play for WemadeFOX at the same time. Thats what makes me angry about this whole thing. If you want them (MC and NaDa in this case) to represent your organisation and promote your sponsors, then you fucking cough up some cash to buy them from oGs so they are YOUR PLAYERS. You don't fucking borrow them from another team. But SK is either to stingy to buy them out from oGs, pay them salary and pay trips to tournaments, or they can't afford it. Either way, they must be pretty desperate to have a foot in the sc2 scene when they do like this instead of getting their own team.
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I dont get it, so the deal is that the oGs members play with SK infront of their name instead of oGs at foreign events? Makes no sense at all :S
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On July 16 2011 01:06 adeptz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 01:04 stratmatt wrote:On July 16 2011 01:01 adeptz wrote:On July 16 2011 00:58 stratmatt wrote:
Also, lol at the idea of 'growing' a SC2 team. Sure its a nice story, but SK has already 'grown' its entire organization for 10+ years now. You guys think just any random organization can pull something like this off? SK earned its reputation and can now do this kind of stuff as it sees fit. The reaction to this to me just shows how ignorant a lot of the new sc2 community is when it comes to esports in general. CS was a lot liek this in its very early days, but eventually the business side of things became more understood. At the end of the day, you get to see your favorite players competing in more tournament, and thats great for everybody involved, despite what a few people with sour grapes might think. I see your point - but out of curiousity, when did part-time contracted ringing in dual teams happen "back in the early days"? Ringing was very common in cs at pretty much all times during its life. I know "ringing" was - this isn't filling in for a match mind you. I'm referring to "part-time contracted ringing in dual teams". Big difference.
Ok, so now instead of just wasting your time ringing for a team hoping to make some prize money, you get paid to do it and compete more. Sounds like a win/win for MC/Nada. IF OGS was up to it, they should be paying for their players to travel more, but they are not,so oh well huh? I bet MC has been useing his own prize money to travel. Now he wont have to.
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On July 16 2011 01:08 lol wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:43 heaven- wrote:
Why are people freaking out...
SK has always had koreans represent them in RTS games.
SK.Lyn
SK.Violet
Etc...etc.. Yes, but when the koreans played for them in WC3 they didn't play for WemadeFOX at the same time. Thats what makes me angry about this whole thing. If you want them (MC and NaDa in this case) to represent your organisation and promote your sponsors, then you fucking cough up some cash to buy them from oGs so they are YOUR PLAYERS. You don't fucking borrow them from another team. But SK is either to stingy to buy them out from oGs, pay them salary and pay trips to tournaments, or they can't afford it. Either way, they must be pretty desperate to have a foot in the sc2 scene when they do like this instead of getting their own team.
MC and Nada wouldn't leave oGs for a team with no other players...how would they practice? Seriously. Unless they offered MC a million bucks it wouldn't be worth never winning another tourney cuz he has no practice partners.
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