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I don't care one bit about my ladder rank apart from being in Master league - however I consider myself the lowest of masters around, even if I have been to Rank 8 in master league.
I play against a lot of different people, and I help offer advice to my friends and people who ask me for my point of view on the game.In doing so I face a lot of different people with varying skill levels. I am also an avid reader of TL and /r, so I would say that I stay in tune with the community.
While reading different threads here and other places and playing custom games against all kinds of people I have noticed the clear and ridiculous difference between players. I am a caster for the Norwegian team GamersLeague.no, and in the team we have some GM players and some solid rank1 Master leaguers. Now these guys are the real deal, but not long ago I was rank 7 master myself, however I suck at the game. These guys eat pieces of shit like me for breakfast (don't catch the reference? meh..).
On forums people smash their ladder rank around like it actually matters, and you often see people saying "I only face top master players on ladder", or "high diamond" or even for those unfortunate enough "Top silver"  .
My point is this:
I have played a lot of people who are rank 1 diamond or rank 10 master league, and they are not one bit better than me. (Obviously the rank 1 Diamond isn't supposed to be, but some of them aren't even CLOSE!). Before I was promoted I was rank 50-something Diamond. Diamond probably has the widest skillgap, from those who are close to getting into Masters and those facing a relegation in season 3. At least I can easier notice the difference there.
Why have they set up a system where the credibility of ones rank is questionable?
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My understanding of is is your rank has more to do with how many 1v1 ladder games you play on that account. Your hidden MMR and eventually your league has more to do with your skill.
The rank is there to make you feel good for playing more games and getting more 'points'.
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Your rank and points are just there to make it feel like a competition and to make you wanna be rank one it serves no other purpose and does not say anything about your mmr
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if you're referencing happy gilmore it's suppose to lead to the follow up "you eat pieces of shit for breakfast?" which your quote does not 
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Generally the rank is pretty indicative of your skill. However, there's this annoying gray area around mid-diamond, high-diamond, low master, midmaster that is really the same.
All the high diamonds are trying hard to break into master league, so theyre practicing more than the typical mid master. Therefore its common to see a midmaster fall out of practice, slump, get faced gainst top diamonds that are actually better than the masters he was facing and get demoted. Then theres all the smurf accounts that come out.
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On July 15 2011 15:23 zergrushkekeke wrote:
My understanding of is is your rank has more to do with how many 1v1 ladder games you play on that account. Your hidden MMR and eventually your league has more to do with your skill.
The rank is there to make you feel good for playing more games and getting more 'points'.
I guess that is my point. Why don't we have a system that gives a credible rank? I wouldn't mind being in platinum if that was my true rank, because at least then I would have a clear direction as to where my skill is. It is hard for people to measure their own skill, and as of now ladder rank is the only way to go.
I never played BW, but people talk about A+ like the holy grail. Grandmaster seems to be more like: "meh.. He just ladders a lot".
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Your rank while a little indicative of "skill", does not necessarily compare well against others. A better measure would be MMR to measure "skill". If you have played enough games, "adjusted points" (points with bonus pool removed) will correlate highly with MMR. If you're in master league, this "adjusted points" can be used to compare between the two different players.
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It's not a perfect system, but it's the best one possible. Could you think of a better way to "give people credible ranks", short of having Blizzard employees observe every game played and award points based on skill and not wins?
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rank doesn't matter
in masters only points matter
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On July 15 2011 15:19 NicoLoco wrote:
Why have they set up a system where the credibility of ones rank is questionable?
because a good game is a game that is played.
and people play more when they dont have the fear to get demoted
On July 15 2011 15:30 Joseph123 wrote:
rank doesn't matter
in masters only points matter
higher points higher rank? ahm i dont get your point here Öo
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Because if it's questionable how good you actually are, everyone will always assume they are at the highest spectrum of the uncertainty of their proficiency.
It's the same reason why secret MMR and bonus pool exist; they cause the false assumption of being better than you actually are. For all the people that complain that the way ladder works makes it difficult to figure out how good you actually are compared to other people don't realize that that's the whole point of the ladder: to make casual players never feel like they are stagnating or bad players.
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On July 15 2011 15:26 NicoLoco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 15:23 zergrushkekeke wrote:
My understanding of is is your rank has more to do with how many 1v1 ladder games you play on that account. Your hidden MMR and eventually your league has more to do with your skill.
The rank is there to make you feel good for playing more games and getting more 'points'. I guess that is my point. Why don't we have a system that gives a credible rank? I wouldn't mind being in platinum if that was my true rank, because at least then I would have a clear direction as to where my skill is. It is hard for people to measure their own skill, and as of now ladder rank is the only way to go. I never played BW, but people talk about A+ like the holy grail. Grandmaster seems to be more like: "meh.. He just ladders a lot".
This is incorrect - GM has nothing to do with laddering a lot. To get into GM, you need to be one of the top MMR in the region.
As for the comparison between iccup ranks and SC2 ladder ranks, it is all purely arbitrary and "all in the head". Having 90%+ players in the D/D+ region, I don't think it's that great of a thing. Blizzard could just as easily setup an iccup system if they wanted to.
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This is just a biased opinion. You want the higher players to not be any better than you. But overall, they are. They win a higher % of their games vs high players. Its simple
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The rank is not there for skill or anything like that. It has less meaning the better you are. The best players prove themselves at international tournies, lower players prove themselves at local tournies and online ones. Then the rest of us ladder. I am plat and I want to finish as high in my division as I can. It won't mean I am better than the people I have more points than. All it means is I BEAT THEM THIS SEASON AND I WIN!
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Ladder rank =/= Skill.
It's just practice.
Tournaments determine better players.
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On July 15 2011 15:26 NicoLoco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 15:23 zergrushkekeke wrote:
My understanding of is is your rank has more to do with how many 1v1 ladder games you play on that account. Your hidden MMR and eventually your league has more to do with your skill.
The rank is there to make you feel good for playing more games and getting more 'points'. I guess that is my point. Why don't we have a system that gives a credible rank? I wouldn't mind being in platinum if that was my true rank, because at least then I would have a clear direction as to where my skill is. It is hard for people to measure their own skill, and as of now ladder rank is the only way to go. I never played BW, but people talk about A+ like the holy grail. Grandmaster seems to be more like: "meh.. He just ladders a lot".
This is not true at all. FAR from it. To be in GM you are a great player period. Miles ahead of low-mid master players.
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I really dont care for division rankinguntil recently when season 3 will start. i want a good milestone. But Division ranking has nothing to do with your rating really.
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It seems that any league can encompass a surprising range of skill levels, and that a more accurate system would be to have a multiplicity of leagues denoted by an even wider variety of semi-precious metals. But then again...why not just show MMR?
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I am really interested in the points of view here. Also, I don't think GM players are bad, lol. I said that "it seems to be more" not that it IS more, and I would like to add that I know at least a couple master league players who are like rank 50 that beat the top EU players on ladder frequently.
I think that is a good example, actually. Just because the guy doesn't ladder hardcore he is rank 50 but he just the other day beat Whitera on ladder. I am also rank 50.
People are saying that points matter. I am 1,3k Master on the EU server, and I can safely say that I am not any good. If other people who are 1,3k Master are equally bad I guess it is sort of fine, then. lol. I just think that the rank system is broken for measuring skill, that's all 
If people agree, something it seems that you guys do, I sort of don't understand why so many people talk about "beating top master players but I am rank 1 diamond and I will surely be promoted".
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On July 15 2011 15:34 Halcyondaze wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 15:26 NicoLoco wrote:On July 15 2011 15:23 zergrushkekeke wrote:
My understanding of is is your rank has more to do with how many 1v1 ladder games you play on that account. Your hidden MMR and eventually your league has more to do with your skill.
The rank is there to make you feel good for playing more games and getting more 'points'. I guess that is my point. Why don't we have a system that gives a credible rank? I wouldn't mind being in platinum if that was my true rank, because at least then I would have a clear direction as to where my skill is. It is hard for people to measure their own skill, and as of now ladder rank is the only way to go. I never played BW, but people talk about A+ like the holy grail. Grandmaster seems to be more like: "meh.. He just ladders a lot". This is not true at all. FAR from it. To be in GM you are a great player period. Miles ahead of low-mid master players.
CombatEx is rank 75 grandmaster.
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