EPTNASL Finals Stuff - Page 24
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Wren
United States745 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On July 14 2011 06:10 Wren wrote: It's not an assumption, it's what Lindsey posted herself: Source: http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=190417611012288&id=120453541342029 Ouch, apparently NASL needs to hire a new PR guy instead of OCSurfer and Xeris, since they are just assuming that the scene is a bunch of misogynists. I guess they havent heard the term "The Customer Is Always Right". | ||
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OCsurfeR
United States195 Posts
On July 14 2011 06:24 Wren wrote: He was talking about using the people who have been living in Korea for years as interviewers. The caster thing is clear to all of us. It's a good point Wren, and something we will consider for Season Two. | ||
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NoahNickels
United States102 Posts
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
Didn't she say in an interview the first game of Starcraft she had ever seen was at the finals? That's about as close to "no information" as you can get... Yes. It is like for every problem these NASL guys have an excuse. Take a page from Sundance, acknowledge and own your problems, say as specifically as you can what you are doing to correct them, and then do it! Pointing fingers at the players for delays, saying huge delays are reasonable for a LAN, and outright contradicting what your employee (Lindsey) even said, is not going to buy you a lot of goodwill. "It's a learning experience" is not this magic card you can whip out every time there is a problem over the entire course of the season. If similar or the same problems keep happening there is very little "learning" going on, and as far as I can tell you guys have been making the mistake of putting unqualified (or not enough) people in a position where they are guaranteed to make mistakes all season, starting with the editor and all the way through Lindsey. (just to be clear I am not bashing Lindsey at all, she did an awesome job for the situation her employer put her in) I want to add something positive since this was a pretty negative post, you guys did manage to get many of the best players in the world, have them play broadcasted games in a several month season, and come to a final where we have seen some of the best games at any live event. That was an ambitious goal and you did it, you guys definitely have the content to be hugely successful if you can fix the other issues surrounding it. | ||
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Wren
United States745 Posts
On July 14 2011 06:29 OCsurfeR wrote: It's a good point Wren, and something we will consider for Season Two. Yeah, it'd be VERY cool to have live interviews without a translator. Would be so much smoother. If the translating interviewer also happens to be one of the premier English-language casters, so much the better, but even a fluent member of the scene, somebody like Milkis, could make for really good interviews. [/theorycrafting] | ||
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OCsurfeR
United States195 Posts
On July 14 2011 06:33 Wren wrote: Yeah, it'd be VERY cool to have live interviews without a translator. Would be so much smoother. If the translating interviewer also happens to be one of the premier English-language casters, so much the better, but even a fluent member of the scene, somebody like Milkis, could make for really good interviews. [/theorycrafting] We've actually spoken about that internally as an idea for Season Two. And if Sen keeps being the beast he is, we'll need Korean and Mandarin interviewers. | ||
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
On July 14 2011 06:24 Wren wrote: He was talking about using the people who have been living in Korea for years as interviewers. The caster thing is clear to all of us. Exactly, I'm not sure how he managed to misinterpret my post if he actually read it. Anyway, they've not only lived in Korea for years, but they're pillars of the Starcraft community as a whole. They (including Day9) know the players, the game, the scene, the fans, everything and they probably even have more experience doing major events than every single other person that was working there those days. Hiring some beauty pageant blonde and giving her exactly nothing to go on (which was proven despite OCsurfer's claims), instead of using the most perfect people in the world for the job who are already there anyway and every viewer wants to see, is baffling beyond belief. At least we got some new memes I guess. Frankly I can't believe some of the excuses and arguments to support said excuses being posted here, like the random misogynist reference, it's ridiculous. The NASL isn't your baby and we're not bullying it so stop acting like it. We're telling you what we expect in return for giving you money. If you don't want our money, then fine, but I expect otherwise. | ||
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Wren
United States745 Posts
On July 14 2011 06:50 vrok wrote: Hiring some beauty pageant blonde and giving her exactly nothing to go on (which was proven despite OCsurfer's claims), instead of using the most perfect people in the world for the job who are already there anyway and every viewer wants to see, is baffling beyond belief. Tasteless, Artosis, or Day[9] might get even more awkward, nerd-in-shock responses than Lindsey! | ||
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
On July 14 2011 06:54 Wren wrote: Tasteless, Artosis, or Day[9] might get even more awkward, nerd-in-shock responses than Lindsey! True, but then they could've done lengthier off-stage player interviews, or just sat together and plain entertained us with some discussion about the games that were just played or even random Starcraft banter during the downtime. Something like how sports events go back to the studio during half-time and after the game to discuss a ton of stuff about the game and its implications with supposed experts. The possibilities are endless with these people and it's sad to see so much potential go to waste because of bad management. | ||
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Wren
United States745 Posts
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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Hammurabio
152 Posts
Gather all staffers into the conference room. Have them all watch the full 11 hours of Day 1. Have them make notes on what went well, what went bad, and what could be done to improve the event. Then have them watch Day 3 to see what did improve. For NASL 2 Finals, have a full day reserved for a dress rehearsal. All those issues that happened on Day 1 and corrected for Day 2 would have been caught during the practice cast. Learning how to use the equipment isn't something that should be done live on-the-air. Issues like needing an observer instead of putting the computer on follow would have been discovered before going live. PS - And no more excuses about a broken projector. The other two projectors were working and could have been used for the tests. | ||
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pwnopotamus
United States70 Posts
If I had one complaint that hasn't been addressed, it would be the casters and production team's lack of providing the viewers proper scope for matches, in regards to the overall season and standings. Each match should be discussed in greater detail on how it will affect standings, playoff seedings, whether a player will be eliminated, etc... This is very common in traditional sports broadcasts, and it should be done for NASL as well. Not only should casters mention player records and standings, but there should also be graphics applied to the discussion before every match. It was annoying having to go to nasl.tv to check the standings before each match, then try and figure out the repercussions of a win/loss for each player. Throw up a graphic of the standings before a match and have the casters address it. This will add more hype/drama to each match. On a similar note, it would be nice if additional graphics that many traditional sports broadcasts use were applied to each match in post production. For instance, various stats like win % vs. certain races and/or map win % graphics could be shown as a graphical overlay during a cast (not just the beginning). Perhaps short "helpful tips" can be included as well. Little text bits with interesting information about the player, the strategy, statistics, etc... During the early stages of matches, there's a bit of a lull in interesting information, so I think it would be a perfect time to throw a few of these "graphical tidbits" in there. These things are quite common in traditional sports broadcasts, and I think they would go a long way to making newcomers to eSports feel more comfortable watching a NASL broadcast. I have a feeling these types of graphics are going to be done in the IPL2 later today (we'll see)...so perhaps you can copy them. Good luck! | ||
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Grabondall
Canada19 Posts
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
Another giant excuse for the excuses posted and the general unwillingness to admit fault, and a disturbing tidbit about what the NASL organization supposedly thinks of the community. Notice the signature at the bottom, NASL.tv. From: OCsurfeR [ 129 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: NASL Date: 7/14/11 23:30 Just a side note. One of the difficulties we encounter is that Tl.net is not a customer service forum. In fact, 99% of those posting on these boards will never pay for a subscription of any sort, so they're not ACTUALLY our customers. I mean, they are our customers in the sense that if they watch the stream and the commercials their our audience, but they're not actually substantially contributing to our business model. If this was a forum for subscribing customers, not only would the conversations be more mature, but there'd be a lot more to talk about in a constructive fashion. As to your "it's not our baby" comment. Well, in fact, it is our baby. We conceived it, we birthed it, and now we're trying to raise it. Is that an excuse for us to get defensive...in most cases no, we shouldn't be, but think about how you would deal with the day in, day out trolling that happens on these pages. It can be rather a large challenge to smile at all the constant attacks, many of which are from people who just love to troll and have no constructive feedback whatsoever. I don't PM everybody, just the posters who make good points and who clearly seem to be mature members of the community. Peace. OCsurfeR, NASL.tv If this is what the community representatives at the NASL truly believe then maybe you guys should just quit trying to connect with the communities, or you know, actually get your own supposedly utopian forums, because quite clearly, you're not cut out for the job at hand. What's next? An excuse for this too? The solution is to stop posting random shit that doesn't make sense coming from a representative of a product that needs customers. What's the point of posting constructive feedback if it gets shut down by unjustified denial because of circumstances entirely irrelevant? | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On July 15 2011 02:07 vrok wrote: I usually don't post PMs out of respect for the circumstances in which it was written but since this is an official representative of an organization and I feel it's quite an appalling message all in all, I'm compelled to share with the community and I've already sent it as part of an email to Russel Pfister. Another giant excuse for the excuses posted and the general unwillingness to admit fault, and a disturbing tidbit about what the NASL organization supposedly thinks of the community. Notice the signature at the bottom, NASL.tv. If this is what the community representatives at the NASL truly believe then maybe you guys should just quit trying to connect with the communities, or you know, actually get your own supposedly utopian forums, because quite clearly, you're not cut out for the job at hand. What's next? An excuse for this too? The solution is to stop posting random shit that doesn't make sense coming from a representative of a product that needs customers. OCsurfer seems to suffer from a severe case of denial. I've seen very little to no trolling in this thread. A lot of the remarks people make are completely justified. Why is it so difficult for people to realize they've made mistakes? | ||
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dahornnn
United Kingdom395 Posts
'As far as the delays go -- this was fairly standard for almost every LAN even' I don't think you should use that to justify the delays and next time plan a better schedule to reduce the chances of delays from whatever caused them this time. Im not sure exactly how many PCs you had to work with in the booths but setting up etc does take a fair bit of time at lans so i think if you have the 2 pcs in the booths and 2 backstage somewhere, the next players in the game schedule to be on after the current game should warmup and get there settings/drivers sorted on backstage PCs and in between the games you can just swap the PCs in and maybe get things going a bit faster. Can't wait for season 2, good work so far | ||
eNtitY~
United States1293 Posts
I don't think you can say MLG is single elimination at all. | ||
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