On July 10 2011 12:11 MrMotionPicture wrote: GuineaPig I believe was the guy that did that game on Shakuras with the VoidRays and Colossus build. That was all the rage for quite some time.
Right, GuineaPig changed PvZ for a wee while in the Game vs Junwi on Shakuras Plateu. FFE -> Double Star -> Voids (force hyrdra) -> Double Robo (Collossus). Really was a neat build imo.
I would rank oGsMC at 1, sure Genius started some collossus builds, but MC has pretty much made the standards for all protoss warpgate builds, pressure builds, timing attacks, and stargate transitions. His 3 zealot rush, his 6 gate pressure, 3 gate pressure, FFE into void + 3-4 phoenixes, his templar play, his DT expands.
TERRAN:
MKP has probably influenced the race the most, being a shining symbol of light in a dark age of TvZ. The introduction of the 2 racks and his marine centric builds showcased how CENTRAL and PIVOTAL the marine is in the Terran arsenal against zerg.
MVP would be behind him by introducing many good All-Ins, and how to properly safe expand as terran. Especially on a third base.
ZERG:
Spanishiwa has had a RIDICULOUS effect on the race with his introduction of delayed gas and queen/spinecrawler focused early game. This has become a standard in TvP.
IdrA showcased the power of ling/bling/muta and invented the Magic Box, making the mutalisk the DOMINATING unit in TvZ in an age where no one knew how to fight thors. This domination lasted until the recent findings of the power of infestors.
July showcased that Zergs are not just a passive macro race, he reintroduced and inspired the aggressive zerg style, proving that a zerg army can go toe to toe to most midgame compositions with proper micro and counter timings.
On July 10 2011 08:54 FantaFunL wrote: Fruitdealer was the first one going 14 hatchery almost every game in the first GSL?
What? No.
He just took ridiculous risks later in the game without being punished, ie: blind double expanding.
This is just a falsehood used by people like IdrA to prove that Fruitdealer's run wasn't pure genius. At a time when Zergs were still trying to work everything out, FruitDealer consistently knew when to drone and when to make units. He was literally the first Zerg to finally get a grasp of timings of Terran aggression; however, Fruitdealer lost his edge because he lost his work ethic, a sickness that has plagued him in the past.
No matter how bad Fruitdealer is right now, you have to accept the innovations he made for the ZvT matchup (and Zerg in general) all of which include:
-Using baneling carpet bombs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before they were popular -Showing people that Roach/baneling is really good (and then no one realized for the next few months T_T) -Using mutalisks only in small numbers to plug a timing where drops used to dominate. This, I feel, is especially important because most Zergs (even today) way overproduce Mutalisks. Having only 8/9 mutalisks out can buy time to transition into infestors. -Repelling hellion and/or reaper aggression with roaches, introducing the idea of the roach as a "power unit" to allow Zerg to drone -Proving that with good creep spread, you can do anything -Showing Zergs that Hive tech is super powerful when combined with fungal growth (even without the fungal buff!)
FruitDealer was easily the most innovative player that Zerg has ever had. We practically owe our entire playstyle to him.
On July 10 2011 13:23 Bambipwnsu wrote: Why is there not oGsTOP?
Remember when everyone was 2 rax vs protoss. Then TOP came around and 4-0ed MC and the replays got released?
TOP wasn't really a new style; he simply played Terran vs Protoss perfectly in that series. His drops were everywhere, his expos were everywhere and he STILL managed to hold off ridiculous aggression when MC decided to turn it on. Still, e-five for remembering these replays! Those replays simply blew my mind when I watched them. I may have pulled an Artosis and cried. To this day, I still anxiously await TOP to just run in and dominate everyone.
On July 10 2011 12:06 AustinCM wrote: Idra Invented Mutaling Bling as the standard for ZvT
He definitely didn't invent it and he wasn't the first to use it in a major tournament, but people have always followed what IdrA did. He's a trend setter, even if he doesn't invent the trends.
On July 10 2011 08:54 FantaFunL wrote: Fruitdealer was the first one going 14 hatchery almost every game in the first GSL?
What? No.
He just took ridiculous risks later in the game without being punished, ie: blind double expanding.
This is just a falsehood used by people like IdrA to prove that Fruitdealer's run wasn't pure genius. At a time when Zergs were still trying to work everything out, FruitDealer consistently knew when to drone and when to make units. He was literally the first Zerg to finally get a grasp of timings of Terran aggression; however, Fruitdealer lost his edge because he lost his work ethic, a sickness that has plagued him in the past.
No matter how bad Fruitdealer is right now, you have to accept the innovations he made for the ZvT matchup (and Zerg in general) all of which include:
-Using baneling carpet bombs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before they were popular ->Bane drops are not good at all in TvZ, even against mech now. Nobody uses them, not even nestea or july anymore.
-Showing people that Roach/baneling is really good (and then no one realized for the next few months T_T) -> Sorry, it's not. Losira is a zerg who uses roach/bane a lot and gets totally owned, July as well. Most of July's vs T wins are when he goes Ling/Bling/Muta, the standard composition that NesTea and Idra and Sen almost always use until infestor/brood.
-Using mutalisks only in small numbers to plug a timing where drops used to dominate. This, I feel, is especially important because most Zergs (even today) way overproduce Mutalisks. Having only 8/9 mutalisks out can buy time to transition into infestors. 8-9 muta DOESN'T stop drops. Even balls of 20 muta have trouble against a good terran who drops 2 places and pushes at once. Mass muta is still the undisputed standard of TvZ.
-Repelling hellion and/or reaper aggression with roaches, introducing the idea of the roach as a "power unit" to allow Zerg to drone. -> Many zergs like NesTea feel that spines and zergings along with simcity and queens are far superior to going roaches. July got absolutely DESTROYED by Puma by going roaches vs hellion and TvZ is his best matchup.
-Proving that with good creep spread, you can do anything -> This isn't something FD first used, a lot of the better zergs (FD/Ret/IdrA/Sen/etc) always have spread creep non-stop. The korean zergs who did not started to lose, a lot.
-Showing Zergs that Hive tech is super powerful when combined with fungal growth (even without the fungal buff!) -> Hive Tech worked for Fruit Dealer, because ultralisks were bugged and overpowered when he beat oGsTOP in the round of 8. top had like 14 better upgraded thors vs 12 or so 1-2 ultralisks. Go unit test if you like, he should have lost that game, but the thors all exploded from the enormous splash.
FruitDealer was easily the most innovative player that Zerg has ever had. We practically owe our entire playstyle to him.
I'd definitely have to say Destiny with mass infestor play. I don't know if it has been done a lot before him, but he is for sure the one who has introduced me to it.
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