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Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
July 10 2011 02:07 GMT
#81
I swear the spanishiwa build is never ever used by any pro zergs ever. Nestea, losira, July, idra, ret, sen, zenio... Have virtually never used it. The only people that use it are people that don't have good enough drone timing so they sit behind spines and queens and just make drones.

I think trend setters is more important for things like 2 rax, mech TvT, ghost timings, infestor instead of muta vs T.
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
July 10 2011 02:09 GMT
#82
On July 10 2011 11:01 Yamulo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 10:57 Drium wrote:
Lzgamer invented the 5 rax reaper build, which was probably the most popular build in any matchup ever until it was nerfed.

I am fairly sure that was morrow


Morrow showcased the build during IEM cologne against many zerg and he won against IdrA in the final using mostly this build.

But it's LzGamer who created the build. Lz is really a innovator for me, he always created awesome build. The 3 fact push against protoss come to mind and also some cute thor/ghost/raven play against zerg.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#83
Select and his twoRax expands.

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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 10 2011 02:12 GMT
#84
HoSeo Sage for protoss, I would put him top 5
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Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 02:13:34
July 10 2011 02:13 GMT
#85
IdrA introduced tiny things with refinement in his play. (I think) He was one of the first zergs to instantly get the +1 muta attack and one of the firsts to delay metabolic speed for his lings. He doesn't exactly go out of his way to create zany builds, but little things in his refinement have a tendency to become pretty normal.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 02:16:20
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#86
I'm pretty sure Genius didn't popularize zeal/archon at all. That build has been around since BW, but then it wasn't used in SC2 due to marauder kiting. As soon as the archon patch hit it became viable, and every protoss started using it, like that day. Maybe Genius was the first to use it televised, but nobody really popularized it in SC2, it just happened.
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iYiYi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States489 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 02:20:32
July 10 2011 02:18 GMT
#87
On July 10 2011 11:04 Gamegene wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:01 Nagisama wrote:
I thought it was Idra that set ling/muta/bling as standard for ZvT


Not sure if that's true; what I do know is that IdrA was pretty much the only player early in the beta who played macro zerg style (which is the golden standard for Zerg in general).


People need to stop getting invented mixed up with trend setting. A trend setter is someone who won enough using a build to get people to start using it themselves. Idra is a PERFECT example for a trend setter. He made muta/ling/bane look unbeatable for awhile.
sick_transit
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States195 Posts
July 10 2011 02:20 GMT
#88
On July 10 2011 11:01 t1mid wrote:
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On July 10 2011 09:46 MechKing wrote:
Spanishiwa for Zerg


I agree, you hear "spanishiwa style" way too often for him not to be on this list.


Yes. Spanishiwa has had a greater effect on the metagame than any other single Zerg player, by introducing and popularizing the idea of extremely delayed gas.
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chuigo
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia93 Posts
July 10 2011 02:21 GMT
#89
NESTEA, JULY, IDRA, SEN.

Isn't that just bloody obvious to EVERYONE?
Giwoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)431 Posts
July 10 2011 02:29 GMT
#90
for zerg
IdrA he popularized muta ling bling
Dimaga for ZvZ
Losira for ZvP with his roach ling drops and such
Aquanda for introducing or popularizing the ling bling infestor into ultra style
BUTTHURT?
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
July 10 2011 02:40 GMT
#91
On July 10 2011 11:20 sick_transit wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:01 t1mid wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:46 MechKing wrote:
Spanishiwa for Zerg


I agree, you hear "spanishiwa style" way too often for him not to be on this list.


Yes. Spanishiwa has had a greater effect on the metagame than any other single Zerg player, by introducing and popularizing the idea of extremely delayed gas.


only north americans acutally think that xD
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SichuanPanda
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1542 Posts
July 10 2011 02:40 GMT
#92
I think NaDa might be a good person to look at for TvT trends, he always seems to be doing things first before others. His recent play in the MVP vs OGS GSTL match, all three matches he played he went mech-heavy builds, not just against Terran, however when against Terran his mech-play was definitely at its highest level. The Helion, Siege Tank, Viking, Banshee mix he uses is very powerful when controlled correctly, the game in the GSTL match shows him beating the standard marauder/marine/tank/medievac build which has been a staple in TvT for some time.
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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 02:45:31
July 10 2011 02:41 GMT
#93
It is very hard for me to put Genius over MC. While Genius has done a lot in PvT, that is about where his influence ends. MC overall has changed every matchup. VR+Phoenix in PvZ, 6gate timings in PvT, making 4gate the only real strategy for a very long time in PvP.

About Spanishiwa, while his style is definitely a trendsetter, I don't think it has had the impact on the proscene like it has on the lower ladder levels. For that reason I wouldn't put him on my own list. Someone like July, who showed zerg can be aggressive at ALL stages of the game and against the highest level of competition, is someone I would put in that position instead.

sick_transit
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States195 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 02:50:00
July 10 2011 02:48 GMT
#94
Edit: accidental double post.
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sick_transit
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States195 Posts
July 10 2011 02:51 GMT
#95
On July 10 2011 11:40 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:20 sick_transit wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:01 t1mid wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:46 MechKing wrote:
Spanishiwa for Zerg


I agree, you hear "spanishiwa style" way too often for him not to be on this list.


Yes. Spanishiwa has had a greater effect on the metagame than any other single Zerg player, by introducing and popularizing the idea of extremely delayed gas.


only north americans acutally think that xD


Oh really? See Morrow's ZvP.
War is a drug.
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
July 10 2011 02:55 GMT
#96
On July 10 2011 11:12 eYeball wrote:
HoSeo Sage for protoss, I would put him top 5


Way too early to call him a trendsetter imo.
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iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
July 10 2011 02:56 GMT
#97
On July 10 2011 11:41 setzer wrote:
It is very hard for me to put Genius over MC. While Genius has done a lot in PvT, that is about where his influence ends. MC overall has changed every matchup. VR+Phoenix in PvZ, 6gate timings in PvT, making 4gate the only real strategy for a very long time in PvP.

About Spanishiwa, while his style is definitely a trendsetter, I don't think it has had the impact on the proscene like it has on the lower ladder levels. For that reason I wouldn't put him on my own list. Someone like July, who showed zerg can be aggressive at ALL stages of the game and against the highest level of competition, is someone I would put in that position instead.



Recently, I would agree with you, but MC started trendsetting months after Genius.

Genius has been setting protoss trends since like last May.
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AustinCM
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada275 Posts
July 10 2011 03:06 GMT
#98
Idra Invented Mutaling Bling as the standard for ZvT
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MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
July 10 2011 03:11 GMT
#99
GuineaPig I believe was the guy that did that game on Shakuras with the VoidRays and Colossus build. That was all the rage for quite some time.
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Amaterasu1234
Profile Joined November 2010
United States317 Posts
July 10 2011 03:12 GMT
#100
Morrow's ZvP with infestor/ling/bling with drops has become popular nowadays and he's the only I know of that has showcased it during MLG.
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