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AustinCM
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada275 Posts
July 10 2011 01:21 GMT
#61
Sad that nobody mentioned IdrA, he basically pioneered the ZvT match up...
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Juvant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States723 Posts
July 10 2011 01:29 GMT
#62
Can we prematurely add Puma to the list?
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
July 10 2011 01:31 GMT
#63
On July 10 2011 10:29 Juvant wrote:
Can we prematurely add Puma to the list?


Probably. It looks really strong, so I won't be laddering for a while, I guess....
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xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
July 10 2011 01:32 GMT
#64
On July 10 2011 10:21 AustinCM wrote:
Sad that nobody mentioned IdrA, he basically pioneered the ZvT match up...



No he didn't do anything to the ZvT matchup. His play is always just the standard in style buids.

sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 01:36:37
July 10 2011 01:35 GMT
#65
On July 10 2011 10:21 AustinCM wrote:
Sad that nobody mentioned IdrA, he basically pioneered the ZvT match up...

Idra trend set 2 things.

-QQ in every single possible LR thread
-Creating no "known" zerg trend setter because its far easier to blame balance than invent builds.
Mordoc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States162 Posts
July 10 2011 01:37 GMT
#66
[quote][TERRAN/quote]

Definitely agreed with MKP.

In addition, I would say goody (for mech, even though he isn't an amazing player) and maybe TOP or sc.


For Zerg, I would think Destiny Morrow Sen, among others.
HomicidaL
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States283 Posts
July 10 2011 01:38 GMT
#67
Morrow ZvP fast upgrades on lings/banes with drops.
PirateEd
Profile Joined June 2011
United States61 Posts
July 10 2011 01:44 GMT
#68
Kyrix? His delayed, high eco baneling attacks were very popular for quite a bit of time.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
July 10 2011 01:47 GMT
#69
On July 10 2011 09:38 Offhand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 09:32 TheButtonmen wrote:
Zerg Trend Setters:

Fruitdealer - Risky or not his run in GSL 1 show cased strategies still in use today, was the first major user of baneling carpet bombing.

Dimaga - First pro-zerg to use a heavy queen count during his opening, the precursor to Spanishiwa.

Nestea - I'm still using his ZvZ openings from GSL 2-3 to this very day.

Destiny - Controversial I know but he was the trail blazer for the infestor heavy ZvZ style even before the new fungal growth and since then has been show casing a variety of infestor based ZvZ and ZvT styles.

Losira - Roach / Ling build vs 3 gate expand changed the very foundation of ZvP.


I agree with these. Although I don't know if showing you can play the game purely with infestors counts as being a trendsetter.


It can't be considered trendsetting unless you show that it's viable at the highest levels of play. I was doing the VR/Stalker timing against walled Terrans on ladder before MC, but that was against scrubs. MC did it on the big stage and perfected it, so he is the trendsetter. You can't call someone like Destiny or Spanishiwa a trendsetter since they are not proving the strategy's viability in high-level tournaments.
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DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 01:55:13
July 10 2011 01:50 GMT
#70
As additional player:

GoOdy:
TvT mech style with blueflamehellion harass and hellion as tanking unit in that mix.
Influencing korean TvT style indirectly, since NaDa got to see it in his game vs Strelok @ NASL.
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Drium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States888 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 02:02:21
July 10 2011 01:57 GMT
#71
Lzgamer invented the 5 rax reaper build, which was probably the most popular build in any matchup ever until it was nerfed.

Also Trickster with the 2 pylon ramp block vs zerg. Both these strategies were so powerful and popular that the game had to be changed around them.

Trickster was also the 1st toss I saw doing 2 base colossus all ins, which eventually grew into 2 base voidray/colossus, though It wouldn't surprise me if other players were doing this before him.
KwanROLLLLLLLED
eohs
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States677 Posts
July 10 2011 01:58 GMT
#72
The thing is you cant give real credit to someone , because I am sure someone else has done it. I use a warp prism every time I play, but I dont get credit for it because white-ra does it on a grander platform like a tourney. I have a build for Protoss right now that is really OUT THERE like you wouldn't expect it ever... or you would think a newb is doing it because it is so far weird. My point is some pro player will do it in a month or so and u will all give him credit. But the fact is I might have done it first... or for other builds someone else did it first.
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
July 10 2011 02:00 GMT
#73
CrunCher and his big balls of death.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
July 10 2011 02:01 GMT
#74
On July 10 2011 09:05 Oreo7 wrote:
oGs Protoss:
-DT expand
-1gate Stargate expo
-6gates, both match ups
-4gate cancel nexus
-Void ray allin or void ray contain

Genius cam up with most collosi timings, Nani perfected some, and MC did warpgate timings basically.

100% agree, I really love ogs/huk protoss
To the op, there was a thing about MKP using only marine medivac marauder in tvt (gsl season 4), and the only person who was able to crack it was MVP who had a 97% win ratio in tvt at the time.
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Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
July 10 2011 02:01 GMT
#75
On July 10 2011 10:35 sekritzzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 10:21 AustinCM wrote:
Sad that nobody mentioned IdrA, he basically pioneered the ZvT match up...

Idra trend set 2 things.

-QQ in every single possible LR thread
-Creating no "known" zerg trend setter because its far easier to blame balance than invent builds.


I thought it was Idra that set ling/muta/bling as standard for ZvT
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t1mid
Profile Joined May 2010
United States143 Posts
July 10 2011 02:01 GMT
#76
On July 10 2011 09:46 MechKing wrote:
Spanishiwa for Zerg


I agree, you hear "spanishiwa style" way too often for him not to be on this list.
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
July 10 2011 02:01 GMT
#77
On July 10 2011 10:57 Drium wrote:
Lzgamer invented the 5 rax reaper build, which was probably the most popular build in any matchup ever until it was nerfed.

I am fairly sure that was morrow
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
July 10 2011 02:04 GMT
#78
On July 10 2011 11:01 Nagisama wrote:
I thought it was Idra that set ling/muta/bling as standard for ZvT


Not sure if that's true; what I do know is that IdrA was pretty much the only player early in the beta who played macro zerg style (which is the golden standard for Zerg in general).
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Drium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States888 Posts
July 10 2011 02:04 GMT
#79
On July 10 2011 11:01 Yamulo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 10:57 Drium wrote:
Lzgamer invented the 5 rax reaper build, which was probably the most popular build in any matchup ever until it was nerfed.

I am fairly sure that was morrow

It wasn't. LZ showed it in a match with machine(iirc) that was broadcast at the king of the beta tournament.
KwanROLLLLLLLED
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
July 10 2011 02:06 GMT
#80
On July 10 2011 10:57 Drium wrote:
Lzgamer invented the 5 rax reaper build, which was probably the most popular build in any matchup ever until it was nerfed.

Also Trickster with the 2 pylon ramp block vs zerg. Both these strategies were so powerful and popular that the game had to be changed around them.

Trickster was also the 1st toss I saw doing 2 base colossus all ins, which eventually grew into 2 base voidray/colossus, though It wouldn't surprise me if other players were doing this before him.


LZgamer invented it? lol?
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