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On July 10 2011 09:12 Froadac wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:11 Mercury- wrote: PoltPrime - Popularized the Bio/Banshee/Raven/SCV push, took Protoss months to figure that one out and can still pack a punch. He also recently showed us how to punish greedy teching in TvT even though he used an old an old build.
Really/ I was under the impression painuser was actually among the first to do that, although admittedly my GSL viewership has been... inconsistent. Polt vs MC in the first round of the first gsl iirc
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zerg definetly has to have dimaga. he started making baneling play huge. a big shout to check prime for his amazing nydus play that one game.
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Zerg Trend Setters:
Fruitdealer - Risky or not his run in GSL 1 show cased strategies still in use today, was the first major user of baneling carpet bombing.
Dimaga - First pro-zerg to use a heavy queen count during his opening, the precursor to Spanishiwa.
Nestea - I'm still using his ZvZ openings from GSL 2-3 to this very day.
Destiny - Controversial I know but he was the trail blazer for the infestor heavy ZvZ style even before the new fungal growth and since then has been show casing a variety of infestor based ZvZ and ZvT styles.
Losira - Roach / Ling build vs 3 gate expand changed the very foundation of ZvP.
Terran Trend Setter:
Bitbybit.prime - There was a good solid month where I'd yell "BIIIITTBYBIIIIIIT" in all chat as yet another terran player pulled f***** everything.
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I'd say NaDa for a Terran trendsetter. It seems like in every tournament he pulls out awesome new builds, especially in TvT. Recently in the GSL he did a build based completely around harassment with reapers into hellions into banshees and it worked perfectly.
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On July 10 2011 09:32 TheButtonmen wrote: Zerg Trend Setters:
Fruitdealer - Risky or not his run in GSL 1 show cased strategies still in use today, was the first major user of baneling carpet bombing.
Dimaga - First pro-zerg to use a heavy queen count during his opening, the precursor to Spanishiwa.
Nestea - I'm still using his ZvZ openings from GSL 2-3 to this very day.
Destiny - Controversial I know but he was the trail blazer for the infestor heavy ZvZ style even before the new fungal growth and since then has been show casing a variety of infestor based ZvZ and ZvT styles.
Losira - Roach / Ling build vs 3 gate expand changed the very foundation of ZvP.
I agree with these. Although I don't know if showing you can play the game purely with infestors counts as being a trendsetter.
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On July 10 2011 09:29 eourcs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:24 MrMotionPicture wrote: Terran would be MKP. That marine splitting was never seen before him. Not true, mvp was the first one to use it in GSL vs Zenio on Jungle Basin. MKP was busy nuking noobs in his ro64 game. Nobody remembers mvp's game because he lost the series  Yeah. He didn't scout the Brolords in time I think.
MKP showcased splitting against Rainbow's tanks later on in the same GSL though.
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Terran jinro the pioneer of macro and mech in tvp MKP the pioneer of micro and bio in tvt TLO hellion play in tvz? nuke play in tvt? ghost opening in tvt? lategame ghosts in tvz long before the ghost buff 14cc on macro maps? Goody Mech play in all matchups
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OgsMC did pioneered many other builds such as the 3 Gate DT expo and cancel Nexus 4 gate.
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MarineKing completely changed TvZ and added a whole new TvT style.
He's also popularizing fast Ghost play now.
Aside from him probably Spanishiwa for Zerg and Genius/MC for Protoss
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How come nobody mentioned Kyryx for Zerg?
He practically invented the high econ banneling bust(I may be wrong but its not easy to be 100% sure about stuff like this). I'd say this lead to Terrans having to include Tanks in their pushes
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14 pool 15 hatch.
Idra.
Still the most standard ZvP opening you can get
All hail the king
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Dimaga for zerg for his play way back in beta and creation (or at least popularizing) of the original baneling bust. Also other builds like the fast +1 ling build. I've probably learnt more from dimaga than any other zerg. Greatly underestimated. Oh how could I forget other builds like his heavy queens mass spine crawler vs protoss. He basically created his own version of the ice fisher a year before spanishiwa popularized it.
Nestea for always seeming to win with solid builds even when the odds are against him. Creative play such as 3 spine crawler rush to break a fast expand.
And MKP is the obvious terran. No one else has had nearly as much influence on the race. Also Jinro's original mech vs protoss to beat MC was pretty solid followed by thorzains mech.
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I take from OP that trendesetter can mean both "a player that invented/popularized a lot of builds" or "a player that came up with a build with a huge influence". I think any player that is closely identified with pioneering a non-standard style could be a trendsetter.
Here are some candidates:
Losira - "losira timing" in ZvP that caused a huge impact in the matchup WhiteRa - lifetime achievement for special taktics, warp prism harass. Naniwa - the gate, robo, council with a wall-off in old patch PvP; the 2-gate pressure expand against Terran (may not be his build, but he popularized it); numerous cheeses; sets the trends for most optimal Protoss builds. MVP - double expading very early on TvT. Polt - the "polt timing push" in TvP, still viable after 8 months. Idra - the first popular "macro zerg" on sc2, copied by a lot of zergs. MorroW - abusing reapers as terran (not the first, but the most sucessful in foreigner scene maybe) and now the ling/bling constant drop style in ZvP Goody - immediate association with "terran mech style" BoxeR - close barracks in a lot of maps, bunker rushes, multiple OC in late game TvT BitByBit - like it or not, he popularized SCV all-ins like no one else. July - the one player you look up to as the agressive zerg. MKP - marine micro, one base ghost against protoss Tester - back in the Beta, the 2-gate proxy zealots and walling off the bottom of a Zerg base with cannons behind.
Hopefully Sage will be in the list a few months from now. : )
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Where is WhiteRa? He was the first to make use of the void ray rush in the beta, and he was the first I saw early in the beta to do the cannon rush against zerg where you block the choke... though he may not have been the first. After the beta he popularized warp prism with many uses... using it with every protoss unit.
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Catz with the proxy hatch
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The very first person to pop into mind is Spanishiwa for Zerg, obviously his opening was a huge trend.
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No one has mentioned Spanishiwa yet? He "invented" the no gas ZvX (ice fisher) build which is basically a staple build for Zerg right now.
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Losira is definitely a trendsetter of the roach-ling early game pressure, as well as the low econ roach ling bane style against protoss. Nestea's spine rush against forge fe was pretty damn trendy too.
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Lz definitely was a trendsetter for Terran play, at and around release/beta, prior to his switch to Zerg. He used extremely unique builds such as the original 5 rax reaper play, the 3 factory timing push against gateway heavy protoss's, among other play.
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