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Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
July 11 2011 03:43 GMT
#141
When does season 2 of NASL start?
Ajaco92
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway152 Posts
July 11 2011 05:03 GMT
#142
On July 11 2011 12:43 Complete wrote:
When does season 2 of NASL start?

August.
What doesnt kill you make your race OP.
PlosionCornu
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy814 Posts
July 11 2011 11:57 GMT
#143
on a positive note, there are a lot of good terran streamers lately ahaha
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 11 2011 13:42 GMT
#144
Are new players in Korea (young kids) playing sc2 or BW to start? Like has the wave completely shifted to sc2 yet or will there still be future BW
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Bonisaur
Profile Joined October 2010
United States26 Posts
July 11 2011 15:46 GMT
#145
There is a future in BW until there is a settlement between other TV stations and GomTV who has (or had?) exclusive rights to airing SC2 in South Korea TV. Stations like Kespa didn't get in on it, so they continue to air and sponsor tournaments and teams playing Broodwar. However, more and more players are switching over, since it is getting easier and easier to make one's name known through the ladder system of SC2.

Fortunately, North America doesn't have the problem of relying on cable or dish TV too much. I'm glad our e-sports made a big internet streaming scene above any other media.
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
July 11 2011 16:05 GMT
#146
It is general knowledge that when you as zerg scout a terran opening with gas and steal the second gas, you are pretty much safe against a banshee build. Why don't terrans actually do a banshee build after they destroy the extractor? Is the delayed gas harvesting such a great setback?
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
HeftyLobster
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway11 Posts
July 11 2011 18:51 GMT
#147
Was wondering if anyone would take their time to check out my stream as i try make my way up from diamond to the higher levels.

http://no.justin.tv/johnblunn#/w/1457251744
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 11 2011 19:29 GMT
#148
On July 12 2011 01:05 Psyclon wrote:
It is general knowledge that when you as zerg scout a terran opening with gas and steal the second gas, you are pretty much safe against a banshee build. Why don't terrans actually do a banshee build after they destroy the extractor? Is the delayed gas harvesting such a great setback?


Uh, I never assume Terran isn't going banshees after stealing their gas. I know they can't rush cloak and a banshee but I still get an evo chamber and have spores on the ready when I scout at the same time as I would without the gas steal.
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zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
July 11 2011 20:40 GMT
#149
True a lot more Zergs playing these days on ladder.

Diddn;t realize Toss had beefier assimilators either- that doesnt seem to make that much sense. Perhaps at one point Bliz felt that Terran could more easily drop Toss and feared the sniping of the gas

Also I found it interesting Morrow chooses to play Terran versus July. I understand Morrow had an 80% win rate as Terran earlier on, but in my opinion one race is always going to be significantly better than another. Personally I wasn't impressed with his terran, and didn;t understand why he just didn't ZvZ, since July this is arguably July's weakest match up
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Charge36
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 21:12:10
July 11 2011 21:11 GMT
#150
Hi all. I am new to posting on Team Liquid forums, though I have browsed through topics and threads anonymously a little bit. I thought the community here might enjoy a video I helped make this fourth of July which features some Starcraft themed explosive fun. That said, the video isn't ALL about Starcraft. We did one other project which is current events related. If you don't care to watch the whole thing you can easily skip to the Starcraft part with the time link in the video description. Hope you enjoy it! Link:



Now some disclaimery stuff.

I hope this post isn't considered spammy or anything, because I genuinely think some people in the community here will appreciate this video. I present it here rather than it's own topic mostly because I am unsure if it's an appropriate standalone topic. That and I registered yesterday and the forum won't let me, lol. I won't include project details here unless someone is interested and asks. Also would appreciate input as to whether this would be an appropriate post as its own topic.

This project was completely personal and I don't stand to gain any benefits from views other than the satisfaction that people like the video!
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 11 2011 22:39 GMT
#151
It's a pretty fun video. This link is where they're generally posted unless you feel it's worth a thread. Cheers and welcome to Team Liquid
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
SanDokaN_X
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 23:14:41
July 11 2011 22:56 GMT
#152
/// Offtopic
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 11 2011 11:25 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 02:59 XXhkXX wrote:
On July 10 2011 00:21 SanDokaN_X wrote:
This is mid diamond game on Taldarim Altar, TvZ, I go first stimmed marine drops at the 7 minute mark, he has two expansions, and just finishing his lair. I kill about 20 drones with my drops, he is forced to make a crapload of lings. I retreat, (thinking he is so far behind) and after that, I push with Combat shields and siege tanks and 3 medivacs. Suddenly, 10 infestors pop out and 3 of them kill all of my marines. Tanks get owned by the lings. So, with nothing left, I start to desperatly make ghosts, marines and thors from 2 bases, because I have scouted a spire. 5 minutes after that, he has 15 infestors, 8 brood lords and 50 lings and banelings. I gg before even the battle has begun.
Please get this joke the f*ck out of the game or I'll seriously start to all-in zergs with 3 rax or banshees. It just feels so wrong you can have such a powerful unit in such a short time. Even gold zergs now spam infestors with success vs terran. Infestor into brood lord is so fucking OP combo and counterable only by experienced terrans. I have a total of 90 1v1 ladder games only.



I thought by coming to the TL community I would run into more educated and based complaints on balance, rather than a bunch of QQ over balance. I used to post on the battle net forums and realized my mistake pretty quickly when nearly all the posts were just QQ over balance and nothing with valuable insight. Atleast post a replay so we can analyze it :/



The difference is we ridicule posts like that and if that's the norm then eventually a moderator will sort it out.

90 ladder games and you've learned one impressive skill. Crying imba.
Keep up the (I mean start) all in//mass banshee! I was going ling bling muta anyway and I need more ladder points.

Calm down the ego, bro, I know your race requires a lot of skill and you are maybe thinking yourself for a very good player, but just listen to me.
First, tell me what from what I said was wrong? You sound like you know a lot about the game. Thanks for clearing some obvious things, but next time I don't need your help
The thing is, terran is forced to do more cheesy stuff and end the game pretty quickly vs zerg, because, season 2 maps are more favored to zerg, and it is difficult to keep zerg not overexpanding all around the map.
Infestors mean drops are getting denied more easily. Marine kiting too. And ghosts are not that easy to control for EMPing the infestors at all.

Here's a usual ladder TvZ:
Zerg goes for a fast expand. Terran opens 2 rax, makes a push which zerg has perfectly learned how to deflect. Terran expands, gets some siege tanks. In the mean time zerg drones the shit out of him and techs to lair. Then terran makes a second, marine-tank push. Again denied by mutas and lings. Then terran tries to muster up a poultry army from his 2 bases to defend and barely holds on to a third base. Zerg has already 5 expos down, hive tech, full map control and all the ways of harrassing the terran. Now there are two ways of how the game ends:
First, zerg underestimates the terran, lets him max, and doesn't harrass him. At the critical engagement, gets caught at a choke or just gives a-move to his army and loses.
Second, he constantly trades armies and harrasses the terran. Eventually the terran player gets overrun and zerg wins.

Yeah, zerg is more dificult to play, but much more dominant than terran when mastered.
Infestors are a serious issue for late game TvZ. You can't deny that. At all levels of play.
Simple example: Destiny, who even doesn't consider himself a serious progamer, successfuly owned a lot of terrans just by using infestor ling.
I just don't enjoy 3 raxing or thor/banshee rushing zerg every single game, even if I win. But I know if I let the zerg unchecked and teching, I have a little chance of winning.

And I haven't said zerg is OP or something like that. Just pointed out infestors are a powerful caster and even with ghosts, are not so easy to counter.
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Charge36
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
July 11 2011 23:28 GMT
#153
On July 12 2011 07:39 Probe1 wrote:
It's a pretty fun video. This link is where they're generally posted unless you feel it's worth a thread. Cheers and welcome to Team Liquid


Ah. Thats exactly the type of topic I was hoping for but didn't find. Thanks! Glad you liked it.
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
July 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#154
Can someone tell me about the career of the IM coach, Choi In Kyu, between 2007 and when IM was formed?

I rewatched the Old Boy series featuring Nal_ra and saw him in the qualifiers along with IM_MVP and it got me thinking what he has been doing. His wiki page in liquidpedia only goes up to 2007 and leaves a relatively huge gap between 2007 and when he formed the team.
Gameplay > Personality
Omegalisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States337 Posts
July 12 2011 01:04 GMT
#155
Quick question guys, and I'm sorry if this is really dumb, but is the July GSL worth the $10? I haven't subscribed to GSL before (mostly I just watch free streams, such as those for MLG and NASL), and I would mostly be watching VODs. Is it worth it?
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 01:54:46
July 12 2011 01:52 GMT
#156
SanDokaN_X while I'm honored you picked me out of the many people that said the same exact thing, maybe you should be focusing on a cruel fact: It might just be you. As I and many others see it, Terran has the highest skill cap in general. I'm sure if you practiced more then you wouldn't feel as vulnerable to infestors.


However if you leave a Zerg player untouched for a long period of time you'll end up with a result like my last game. A ZvP on Typhon Peaks that a Protoss traded no harassment for an earlier expansion and death ball. The result was a 2 base P verse a cross position 5 base Zerg with twice as many workers and a 50 supply lead with sorely lacking defense against harassment.
If Zerg had literally pooled 1000 m 1500 g after getting a lair, infestation pit and pathogen glands then stockpiled 2500 resources then I am very confident you didn't harass enough or the timing of this was late mid game or true late game. If you were on the NA server I'd be glad to practice with you and help you find the weak timings to infestors.


Infestors are great. Cloaked ghosts counter the hell out of them. Don't take it up with me, practice like a champ.


On July 12 2011 10:04 Omegalisk wrote:
Quick question guys, and I'm sorry if this is really dumb, but is the July GSL worth the $10? I haven't subscribed to GSL before (mostly I just watch free streams, such as those for MLG and NASL), and I would mostly be watching VODs. Is it worth it?


I buy every damn GSL. I'd say it's worth it however, The Code A finals will be the first Code A PvP ever (Which should be interesting at that high of a level!) and the Code S semi final brackets look sick. I'll be staying up all night just to watch them (Go IMZerg!)

And no, it's shrewd not dumb
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13908 Posts
July 12 2011 02:14 GMT
#157
anyone ever thought that sc2 was balenced so that t>p>z>t? that just how I see it myself.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 12 2011 02:33 GMT
#158
Maybe in early 1998 but no, the game was not intentionally balanced for one match up to be overpowered against any other.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Senior Citizen
Profile Joined February 2011
United States8 Posts
July 12 2011 05:59 GMT
#159
T>P>Z>T may reflect some of the weaknesses of pro gamers, but I think as SC2 matures, people will be more familiar with the pros/cons of their race and the weaknesses of the their own play-style.

I downloaded the 1.3.5 PTR and tried to see if anything balance wise was changed. It wouldn't let me play on multiplayer mode (crossing fingers for tomorrow), but as far as I can tell the only change really is the Hellion blue flame icon now has a blue flame. This must mean that Blizz is fairly confident that the game is balanced
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 12 2011 06:34 GMT
#160
I'd say it means they don't have any conclusive data to suggest something is imbalanced. I'm sure they're still looking at brood lord// infestor. If Terrans adapt to the paradigm shift and learn to counter it I hope Blizzard leaves it alone (Balancing around bronze league :\ )
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