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Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
July 17 2011 06:07 GMT
#221
I really havent the slightest idea where to ask this so I'm gonna try here and hope its not bad. >_>

I was watching bw replays from tsl 2 ladder packs when I saw iNcontroL play a terran player called Drewbie. It was high in the tsl ladder so I have to imagine it was at least a B/B+ level game. Would that be the Drewbie? It occured to me I have no clue about his pre-sc2 background. TT
SixGaming
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada5 Posts
July 17 2011 06:30 GMT
#222
Hey guys me and my friends are doing a stream that we just start... we are doing 2v2 and other team game that we will stream... if you want to take a look at it... we are in bronze league and want to improve... so go check it out

http://www.justin.tv/blueska

Follow us thank you!
therealmcgee
Profile Joined July 2011
England6 Posts
July 17 2011 12:06 GMT
#223
guys i have a question here about the gg, if somebody gg's i feel i needc to gg back so i private message them, even if they dont i feel i have to gg them anyways after the game, is this actually bm to gg them in chat?
MaestrO_
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States591 Posts
July 17 2011 12:26 GMT
#224
On July 17 2011 08:59 Goldfish wrote:
What are the headsets GSL players use (changing color depending on APM)?

The Razer Banshee or is it a different one? I randomly thought to look for a new headset but found the reviews for the Banshee are mostly negative >.< (headset breaking within a month of normal use, etc).

What headsets are the players using?


I'm not even sure if they "use" the headsets per-se. Every GSL player i've seen uses earbuds of some variety for their audio, and those headphones are there just to look good and promote the razer sponsorship.
Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
July 17 2011 13:08 GMT
#225
On July 17 2011 08:04 SanDokaN_X wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 06:12 Dariusz wrote:
I held the infamous terran banshee/tank/raven/marine/scv allin today.
Two times in a row! I feel like a god now. Both times i menaged to do it with gate->robo->gate opening. First one i just crushed with superior micro and due to constant immortal production.
Second time it was a little harder because he had super fast cloaked banshee that menaged to snipe my initial sentries, so i barely held it and it became a 40minutes long game with terran trying to allin me 2 times and loosing all his SCV's 2 times in one game, AND STILL being able to produce shit afterwards (nerf MULE's already -.- ), but i eventually crushed the nerd ^^.

What league? Post some replays, I'll be glad to see this all-in denied, especially after + Show Spoiler +
Foxer and Polt did it successfuly vs respectively Time and TT1

P.S. I'm becoming a big fan of timings and all-ins.


Low masters. You just never expand untill you crush the push, get ful saturation on your 1 base and pump units from 4 gates and robo. You need like 40% zealots, 40% stalkers, 20% sentrys from gateways and as many immortals as you can possibly get. Then pick a good spot to engage and possibly flank him to minimize tank demage. If he moves forward with marines, you need to FF behind them to trap them and kill them with gateway units while trying to attack tanks with imortals. You should aim to kill marines and tanks asap. If he pulls scv's it's even more important to flank him so they don't have a chance to protect tanks.
Also i have constant scouting information from probe - fast stalker - fast obesrver which is very very helpful because you know exactly when and with how many units he moves out.
Remember to keep some stalkers near your mineral line to defend from banshees and dont go too heavy on sentries too early because banshees will snipe them. Make 1:1 stalker to sentry untill you have enaugh sentries then make like 1:2 stalker to zealot.

There are other ways to stop or even prevent this push (phenix, fast dt), but this is the safest in my opinion.
SanDokaN_X
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 13:45:02
July 17 2011 13:41 GMT
#226
On July 17 2011 22:08 Dariusz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 08:04 SanDokaN_X wrote:
On July 17 2011 06:12 Dariusz wrote:
I held the infamous terran banshee/tank/raven/marine/scv allin today.
Two times in a row! I feel like a god now. Both times i menaged to do it with gate->robo->gate opening. First one i just crushed with superior micro and due to constant immortal production.
Second time it was a little harder because he had super fast cloaked banshee that menaged to snipe my initial sentries, so i barely held it and it became a 40minutes long game with terran trying to allin me 2 times and loosing all his SCV's 2 times in one game, AND STILL being able to produce shit afterwards (nerf MULE's already -.- ), but i eventually crushed the nerd ^^.

What league? Post some replays, I'll be glad to see this all-in denied, especially after + Show Spoiler +
Foxer and Polt did it successfuly vs respectively Time and TT1

P.S. I'm becoming a big fan of timings and all-ins.


Low masters. You just never expand untill you crush the push, get ful saturation on your 1 base and pump units from 4 gates and robo. You need like 40% zealots, 40% stalkers, 20% sentrys from gateways and as many immortals as you can possibly get. Then pick a good spot to engage and possibly flank him to minimize tank demage. If he moves forward with marines, you need to FF behind them to trap them and kill them with gateway units while trying to attack tanks with imortals. You should aim to kill marines and tanks asap. If he pulls scv's it's even more important to flank him so they don't have a chance to protect tanks.
Also i have constant scouting information from probe - fast stalker - fast obesrver which is very very helpful because you know exactly when and with how many units he moves out.
Remember to keep some stalkers near your mineral line to defend from banshees and dont go too heavy on sentries too early because banshees will snipe them. Make 1:1 stalker to sentry untill you have enaugh sentries then make like 1:2 stalker to zealot.

There are other ways to stop or even prevent this push (phenix, fast dt), but this is the safest in my opinion.


Yeah, this seems like the most reasonable solution indeed.
I thought of chargelots with +1 armor, but you will not have enough resources to dump both into TC and RF, fast range upgraded collosus will mean you will have little stalker support and going air will also limit your gas for the sentries.

I wonder if a variation of this all-in, "the marine/thor/banshee all-in" will be better. I mean, a lot of players will go immortals to snipe the tanks, other will go more sentries, the thor is repaired faster, does better then tanks vs immortals and breaks forcefields (also 2 tanks cost 350 gas with the siege mode, the thor costs 300 with the armory, so you won't be gas starved). It will also negate any phoenix harass to the banshees. Thor is just so good with marine support.
Roses are red. Violets are blue. In Soviet Russa, The Poem writes you!
ElusoryX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Singapore2047 Posts
July 17 2011 13:43 GMT
#227
On July 17 2011 21:06 therealmcgee wrote:
guys i have a question here about the gg, if somebody gg's i feel i needc to gg back so i private message them, even if they dont i feel i have to gg them anyways after the game, is this actually bm to gg them in chat?

i dont think it's bm to gg back in game. everyone does it out of good will. but i think it has more of a bm implication to gg back privately even if you did not have the intention to..
xd
ComTrav
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
July 17 2011 14:18 GMT
#228
...so someone should make pro-gamer bobble heads.

"Hey Goody, should I go mech this game?" (smack!) *nodnodnod*

"Hey MarineKing, I'm thinking Marines will get me out of this jam. What do you think?" (smack!) *nodnodnod*

"Hey Idra, should I apologize for playing that race?" (smack!) *nodnodnod*
Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 14:42:24
July 17 2011 14:20 GMT
#229
On July 17 2011 22:41 SanDokaN_X wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 22:08 Dariusz wrote:
On July 17 2011 08:04 SanDokaN_X wrote:
On July 17 2011 06:12 Dariusz wrote:
I held the infamous terran banshee/tank/raven/marine/scv allin today.
Two times in a row! I feel like a god now. Both times i menaged to do it with gate->robo->gate opening. First one i just crushed with superior micro and due to constant immortal production.
Second time it was a little harder because he had super fast cloaked banshee that menaged to snipe my initial sentries, so i barely held it and it became a 40minutes long game with terran trying to allin me 2 times and loosing all his SCV's 2 times in one game, AND STILL being able to produce shit afterwards (nerf MULE's already -.- ), but i eventually crushed the nerd ^^.

What league? Post some replays, I'll be glad to see this all-in denied, especially after + Show Spoiler +
Foxer and Polt did it successfuly vs respectively Time and TT1

P.S. I'm becoming a big fan of timings and all-ins.


Low masters. You just never expand untill you crush the push, get ful saturation on your 1 base and pump units from 4 gates and robo. You need like 40% zealots, 40% stalkers, 20% sentrys from gateways and as many immortals as you can possibly get. Then pick a good spot to engage and possibly flank him to minimize tank demage. If he moves forward with marines, you need to FF behind them to trap them and kill them with gateway units while trying to attack tanks with imortals. You should aim to kill marines and tanks asap. If he pulls scv's it's even more important to flank him so they don't have a chance to protect tanks.
Also i have constant scouting information from probe - fast stalker - fast obesrver which is very very helpful because you know exactly when and with how many units he moves out.
Remember to keep some stalkers near your mineral line to defend from banshees and dont go too heavy on sentries too early because banshees will snipe them. Make 1:1 stalker to sentry untill you have enaugh sentries then make like 1:2 stalker to zealot.

There are other ways to stop or even prevent this push (phenix, fast dt), but this is the safest in my opinion.


Yeah, this seems like the most reasonable solution indeed.
I thought of chargelots with +1 armor, but you will not have enough resources to dump both into TC and RF, fast range upgraded collosus will mean you will have little stalker support and going air will also limit your gas for the sentries


The problem with teching is that you don't know when terran moves out and you are very vunerable before your tech kicks and at the same time he has alot of units and if he scans and see not units and robo bay going up he can decide to a-move and kill you right there.


I wonder if a variation of this all-in, "the marine/thor/banshee all-in" will be better. I mean, a lot of players will go immortals to snipe the tanks, other will go more sentries, the thor is repaired faster, does better then tanks vs immortals and breaks forcefields (also 2 tanks cost 350 gas with the siege mode, the thor costs 300 with the armory, so you won't be gas starved). It will also negate any phoenix harass to the banshees. Thor is just so good with marine support.


The solution to this is to put stargate down as soon as you see armory on 1 base terran (or second factory). Voidrays counter thors, banshee and raven while your gateway units (mostly zealots) don't have to waste their dps on thor and can kill marines (without being smashed by tanks at the same time). Also if you open with robo you are going to have zealot/immortal/voidray force that is not affected by pdd.
Only problem is breaking FF's for marines to kite you, but you can overcome it with flanking, since again it's huge a-move 1 base push and his army movement is easly predictable.
shima
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden5 Posts
July 17 2011 14:52 GMT
#230
Is it possible to view the spectators comments in a replay in any way?
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Precision
Profile Joined October 2010
United States67 Posts
July 17 2011 15:26 GMT
#231
On July 17 2011 23:52 shima wrote:
Is it possible to view the spectators comments in a replay in any way?


I think so. I think you need to get the replay from one of the spectators.
shima
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden5 Posts
July 17 2011 16:25 GMT
#232
On July 18 2011 00:26 Precision wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 23:52 shima wrote:
Is it possible to view the spectators comments in a replay in any way?


I think so. I think you need to get the replay from one of the spectators.

Is there any setting you've got to change? I tested in a replay that I spectated, but no comments are shown. Only sign of the spectators are the pings.
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Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
July 17 2011 17:36 GMT
#233
How do i deal with fucking mutas in PvZ... If i put cannons i need alot of them and i need to keep my building close, which let's zerg to nydus because i don't have vision of my base when he picks off pylons and speedlings can kill al my probes even if i have perfect walls in all my bases. I serously have no idea how can protoss win with muta/ling counter attacking style.

I can get the best unit composition in the world against it and still loose because zerg will never engage my army and will win base trade with more expansions. And taking third requires you to have army bigger than zerg because he can attack from every angle and always run away. And cannons put you even more behind because he's just mass expanding behind it and if you move out even with full wallin's zerglings will take it down before your army retreats, and you just lost building are are pinned to your base to defend it because he can do it again.

Seriously i've had zealot/blinkstaler/archon/HT with storm and phenix army and lost to muta/ling because he never engaged and just won in baserace with his 5 bases to my 3.

In addition you need to be reactive, which is much harder for multitasking than being active with counter attacks which messes with your gameplan.

I've never actually seen pro protoss player win agaisnt this style on maps like BWG.
And even if i scout spire going up after i 3g exp i can't transition to 6-7 gate allin, because i already made too much probes and 6+ spines with lings will defend it, because i can't go heavy zealot if mutas are about to come out.

What do i do? Cannon my quarter of the map (zerg can take more than half with this style) and wait untill they make stupid mistake and i kill all his mutas with lucky storm and then move out? I've tried so many solutions, but none of them work against someone who isn't a moron rushing for mutas without any units to defend his investment.
Deadpoetic0077
Profile Joined September 2010
United States63 Posts
July 17 2011 23:49 GMT
#234
Hey TL community! I play terran and im in mid-high plat and recently I've been having issues microin against storm. Does neone have any tips for microing against it? Or just explainingghiw you do it? Ne tips would be appreciated =]
Failure is only an opportunity to learn
whoopingchow
Profile Joined June 2011
United States293 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 00:04:29
July 18 2011 00:01 GMT
#235
On July 17 2011 23:18 ComTrav wrote:
...so someone should make pro-gamer bobble heads.

"Hey Goody, should I go mech this game?" (smack!) *nodnodnod*

"Hey MarineKing, I'm thinking Marines will get me out of this jam. What do you think?" (smack!) *nodnodnod*

"Hey Idra, should I apologize for playing that race?" (smack!) *nodnodnod*


+1

XD

In my last ladder game, TVT on Xel'naga , I pushed with marines and tanks at the EXACT same time as he was dropping in my main. Basically, our two attacks started at the exact same time, but he was able to fly his CC off, while mine got off'ed. I gg'd, but I'm just wondering, what's the point of no return? Obviously, when I'm pushing, my base is extremely vulnerable to drops or harass, so how would you deal with this dilemma?

On July 18 2011 08:49 Deadpoetic0077 wrote:
Hey TL community! I play terran and im in mid-high plat and recently I've been having issues microin against storm. Does neone have any tips for microing against it? Or just explainingghiw you do it? Ne tips would be appreciated =]


The longer you stand in a storm, the more damage it does. So obviously, you have to try to move as much as you can out of it. Then, ghosts so he doesn't set off multiple storms over your army. You can also try spreading your forces beforehand into some sort of spread formation if you know there's HT's, so they aren't bunched together.
Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
July 18 2011 00:04 GMT
#236
On July 18 2011 08:49 Deadpoetic0077 wrote:
Hey TL community! I play terran and im in mid-high plat and recently I've been having issues microin against storm. Does neone have any tips for microing against it? Or just explainingghiw you do it? Ne tips would be appreciated =]


Don't engage in chokes, spread your army, lead with ghosts and emp, kite his army if he has his templars in the back so you stay out of range. You can also use small groups (1marauder+3marines) to stim forward and snipe templars.
Kiaro
Profile Joined July 2011
United States75 Posts
July 18 2011 00:15 GMT
#237
Is the 3 rax (2 tech 1 reactor) strategy obsolete in the highest levels of play? In mid-masters, I do this build successfully quite a bit in tvp, but I haven't seen the build in ages in pro replays, and im wondering why, especially with all the protosses going 1 gate expo and even expo first on the huge gsl maps. Why don't pro terrans take advantage of the fact that almost all tvp strats nowadays are based on fast-expanding, and 3-rax instead of doing the fe?
Cubbieblue66
Profile Joined June 2011
95 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 01:47:34
July 18 2011 01:19 GMT
#238
There's no way to ask this question without it being terribly awkward, so please bear with me...

Back in season one, I peaked at the top of my platinum division. At the time, I was only able to play using the trackpad on my laptop. Eventually I grew frustrated with my equipment situation and stopped playing. Recently, I bought a usb mouse and started playing around in the campaign again... to the point I've actually unlocked 100% of achievements for it. But I've found that without that super-convenient excuse for losing games, I'm scared of jumping into the multiplayer portion of the game.

I guess what I'm asking is this: Is it a common thing for players to have such anxiety? How do you cope with it? Also... just out of sheer morbid curiosity, how much of a difference do you folk suppose it makes to play without a mouse?
Deadpoetic0077
Profile Joined September 2010
United States63 Posts
July 18 2011 03:51 GMT
#239
On July 18 2011 09:04 Dariusz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 08:49 Deadpoetic0077 wrote:
Hey TL community! I play terran and im in mid-high plat and recently I've been having issues microin against storm. Does neone have any tips for microing against it? Or just explainingghiw you do it? Ne tips would be appreciated =]


You can also use small groups (1marauder+3marines) to stim forward and snipe templars.


Thanks for the input! But wont the above kinda get 1 shot by his army if i do that?
Failure is only an opportunity to learn
Deadpoetic0077
Profile Joined September 2010
United States63 Posts
July 18 2011 03:52 GMT
#240
And another question. Not that im complaining but has neone noticed that on TL watching streams u dont see the commercials? is that a glitch or because of something? just curious
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