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Flat Zerg
United States16 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:36 Sacraloth wrote: its sad how much hope u guys put on a team like fxo against top korean teams I wanted to believe in them but this is disheartening. I'd MUCH rather see them try their best even if they failed to perform well, than see them just give up like this. I'd love to play in Korea for an extended period of time, even if I never won a single game. Why couldn't I have had Sheth's spot. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
The most one could hope for, is that he had fun, and managed to learn a lot in the short time he was there! You're one of my favourite Zergs, Sheth, and I'll be keeping my eye out for you in tournaments. FXO FIGHTINGGGGGGG~~~!!!!! | ||
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Nexic
United States729 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:36 Sacraloth wrote: it's more sad that you made this your first post on team liquid...its sad how much hope u guys put on a team like fxo against top korean teams | ||
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Loki57
United States292 Posts
 Edit: FXO FIGHTING! | ||
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kalany
United States149 Posts
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Nalesnik
Canada51 Posts
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors. I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners" There are so many examples of foreigners going to Korean, immediately trying to qualify for the gsl, and failing. But if we look at foreigners that live in Korean, and adopt the Korean practice regiment ei; Idra, Jinro, Huk, we see them having great success after their first few months. The proof is in the pudding; Koreans' style of long, disciplined practice in a team house environment IS superior to most foreigners' style of loose, fragmented practice. "Superior" meaning it makes their play better and gives them better tourney results. Is it a superior lifestyle? Well, that's a matter of opinion, and a topic for a different thread. =) | ||
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Diglett
600 Posts
On July 04 2011 10:20 Nalesnik wrote: I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners" "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no? | ||
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Nalesnik
Canada51 Posts
On July 04 2011 10:25 Diglett wrote: "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no? No, because as I pointed out in my post (which you erased...) foreigners can measure up with Koreans with Korean practice. ei. Huk > a lot of Koreans | ||
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Bengui
Canada775 Posts
On July 04 2011 10:25 Diglett wrote: "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no? As long as only koreans use the koran practice model, maybe. But "foreigners with korean practice" > "koreans with foreigners practice". | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
On July 04 2011 10:20 Nalesnik wrote: I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners" There are so many examples of foreigners going to Korean, immediately trying to qualify for the gsl, and failing. But if we look at foreigners that live in Korean, and adopt the Korean practice regiment ei; Idra, Jinro, Huk, we see them having great success after their first few months. The proof is in the pudding; Koreans' style of long, disciplined practice in a team house environment IS superior to most foreigners' style of loose, fragmented practice. "Superior" meaning it makes their play better and gives them better tourney results. Is it a superior lifestyle? Well, that's a matter of opinion, and a topic for a different thread. =) so in conclusion koreans > foreigners + Show Spoiler + "Superior" meaning it makes their play better and gives them better tourney results. | ||
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Diglett
600 Posts
On July 04 2011 10:33 Nalesnik wrote: No, because as I pointed out in my post (which you erased...) foreigners can measure up with Koreans with Korean practice. ei. Huk > a lot of Koreans you do know that it's harder for foreigners to adopt korean practice than koreans right? | ||
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On July 04 2011 10:43 Diglett wrote: you do know that it's harder for foreigners to adopt korean practice than koreans right? No it isn't harder, they just don't want to take so much time playing it, aka moving from their houses to a pro gamer house. They would spent even less money if they lived on a progamer house. | ||
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Diglett
600 Posts
On July 04 2011 10:46 antilyon wrote: No it isn't harder, they just don't want to take so much time playing it, aka moving from their houses to a pro gamer house. They would spent even less money if they lived on a progamer house. you are affirming my post, do you realize that? | ||
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Retgery
Canada1229 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors. They can't do anything but improve by going to korea. I don't think sponsors are gonna have a cow if they don't win immediately arriving in korea. What's more important is that next time you are in the market for a product or service that sponsors FXO you at least consider what they have to offer. That mystique is in your head really. If you are that turned off from people cause they aren't winning every match then it's all on you. | ||
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Nalesnik
Canada51 Posts
On July 04 2011 10:43 Diglett wrote: you do know that it's harder for foreigners to adopt korean practice than koreans right? Of course it is, it's a huge cultural shock moving from a familiar environment to such a foreign one. But... what does that have to do with my original point of Korean practice > Foreigner practice? Oh I see, your trying to divert the conversation from your blunder in your previous post, in order to preserve your pride in your intelligence. Dude, don't worry, this is the internet, no one cares about these silly internet debates/arguments anyway, you don't have to constantly try to one-up me with lame red herrings. xD | ||
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Diglett
600 Posts
On July 04 2011 10:55 Nalesnik wrote: Of course it is, it's a huge cultural shock moving from a familiar environment to such a foreign one. But... what does that have to do with my original point of Korean practice > Foreigner practice? Oh I see, your trying to divert the conversation from your blunder in your previous post, in order to preserve your pride in your intelligence. Dude, don't worry, this is the internet, no one cares about these silly internet debates/arguments anyway, you don't have to constantly try to one-up me with lame red herrings. xD i misunderstood your point. foreigners with a korean practice regimen are equal to koreans with the same practice regimen. my point was just that it's way harder for foreigners to obtain that practice regimen, which will cause the korean > foreigner stuff. also, no need to be a douchebag. douchebags are bad. | ||
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Nalesnik
Canada51 Posts
On July 04 2011 11:00 Diglett wrote: i misunderstood your point. foreigners with a korean practice regimen are equal to koreans with the same practice regimen. my point was just that it's way harder for foreigners to obtain that practice regimen, which will cause the korean > foreigner stuff. also, no need to be a douchebag. douchebags are bad. This is true, my post was fairly douche-y. xD edit: I do apologize tho. | ||
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Sixes
Canada1123 Posts
On July 04 2011 10:43 Diglett wrote: you do know that it's harder for foreigners to adopt korean practice than koreans right? No it isn't. There is no reason why korean people (or japanese or chinese or any other nationality) are more disciplined than white dudes. On the other hand it could be argued that the more highly disciplined people in western society don't generally end up playing video games for a living given the stigma currently associated with them. These same highly motivated and disciplined people can likely perform well at something else (medical school, sports, engineer, entrepreneur etc). Korea currently has the big advantage of a society which not only does not associate a stigma with video games but in fact idolizes their starcraft stars like sports stars (not the e- kind) consequently encouraging talent and hard practice. Note that I said "currently" and that is changing, e-sports are developing and video games are becoming much more prevalent. As that happens hopefully pro gamers will be encouraged to practice in western countries as well and play at the level the koreans (and foreigners training in Korea) have shown us. | ||
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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