I address you tonight, not as the caster of a league, not as a fan of a team, but as a citizen of ESPORTS.
We are faced with the very gravest of challenges: GOM TV calls this day GSTL Venus. The inevitable all-kill. And yet for the first time...in the history of team leagues, a foreigner team has the technology to prevent its own destruction. All of you watching with us need to know… that everything that can be done to prevent this all-kill is being called into service.
The foreigner thirst for creativity and excellence, every step up the ladder to Grand Master, every adventurous forward pylon, all of our combined streaming technology and imaginations, even the flame wars that we’ve fought, have provided us the tools to wage this terrible battle.
Through all the chaos that is our history, though all of the cheese and the all-ins, through all of the bans and the drama... through all of our times, there is one thing that has nourished our souls. And elevated our species above its origins. And that is our courage.
Dreams of the entire international scene are focused tonight on those ten brave souls traveling into Korea. And may we all, fans of foreigners and citizens of ESPORTS, see these events through. Flash speed and good luck to you, FXO.
Those of us from FXO understand the responsibility that has fallen on us. We shall do all in our power. Thank you Mr. Wheat. Thank you TL. Thank you for the support.
For love, for honor, for EEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GODSPEED FXO! KNOW THAT OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU! As you brave few, you band of brothers take on the evil that is the Korean teams, you shall be with us in our hearts, in our thoughts and in our prayers! FXO!
Please give Hot_Bid all the credit for the idea and speech. When he told me what he had in mind, I was instantly in. I can't wait to tell the whole story on WoC this Sunday
But I fear for them, not because they'll get 4-0'ed or stuff like that but because even if qxc and Sheth manage to beat Kyrix, Byun and CoCa, something I find feasible, how are they planning to deal with Puzzle? guy has been on fire lately.
On June 24 2011 12:59 Mephiztopheles1 wrote: FXO FIGHTING!!!
But I fear for them, not because they'll get 4-0'ed or stuff like that but because even if qxc and Sheth manage to beat Kyrix, Byun and CoCa, something I find feasible, how are they planning to deal with Puzzle? guy has been on fire lately.
Which match is on first? I'm trying to decide whether I should just force myself to stay up til 5 am and watch or go to sleep and get up at 6 or 7 (depending on whether its the first or second match).
awsome speech. I was actually running out of fresh idea myself and had thought to use a speech from movie. I had made one for GSL final but never got chance to use it and I never think will have. so here it is, I call it 'Johnheart' :
Tassteless : where is thy salute?
For presenting yourself in studio I give you thanks.
Artosis : This is our cast, to join it you give homage!
I give my homage to epsorts. And if this is your fan why does it go?
Random fan : we didn’t come here to watch one sided final
Random fan : Home! Terran are too many!
Sons of epsorts! I am John Park.
Random fan : John is 4 feet tall on his kneepad
Yes I’ve heard. Speaks languages by hundreds. and if he were here he’d even translate looks from eyes and fart noises from arse. I AM John Park and I see a whole crowd of my nerds, here in defiance of boredom. You’ve come to watch entertainment, and entertainment you will have. What will you do without entertainment? Will you watch?
Random fan : watch? With this many terran? No! we will go and we will rest.
Alright, watch, you may be bored and run you will rest, at least a while. And lying in your bed, many hours from now, would you be willing to trade all the hours from this hour to that, for one chance, JUST ONE CHANCE, to come back here and tell Tastosis, that they may take your time, but they will never take your entertainment! GSL!
Oh my... I expected a laugh but I got not only that, but true inspiration. FXO is the very first foreigner team to play in a Korean team league. This is history in the making folks, no doubt about that!
SLOG FIGHTING!!! ANDY HWAITING!!! GET EM!!! SUP SON!?!!
That mean ST got an all kill since it bo7.
On June 24 2011 13:16 JunkkaGom wrote: awsome speech. I was actually running out of fresh idea myself and had thought to use a speech from movie. I had made one for GSL final but never got chance to use it and I never think will have. so here it is, I call it 'Johnheart' :
Tassteless : where is thy salute?
For presenting yourself in studio I give you thanks.
Artosis : This is our cast, to join it you give homage!
I give my homage to epsorts. And if this is your fan why does it go?
Random fan : we didn’t come here to watch one sided final
Random fan : Home! Terran are too many!
Sons of epsorts! I am John Park.
Random fan : John is 4 feet tall on his kneepad
Yes I’ve heard. Speaks languages by hundreds. and if he were here he’d even translate looks from eyes and fart noises from arse. I AM John Park and I see a whole crowd of my nerds, here in defiance of boredom. You’ve come to watch entertainment, and entertainment you will have. What will you do without entertainment? Will you watch?
Random fan : watch? With this many terran? No! we will go and we will rest.
Alright, watch, you may be bored and run you will rest, at least a while. And lying in your bed, many hours from now, would you be willing to trade all the hours from this hour to that, for one chance, JUST ONE CHANCE, to come back here and tell Tastosis, that they may take your time, but they will never take your entertainment! GSL!
John you should cast tonite's games, I need my eng-eng translation fix since MLG.
im predicting it now, July ALL kill . If july does happen to get knocked out(hes not that great in zvz,)sheth could probably take him. Then Bomber will come in and clean up the rest.
so the predictions = 1 win for fxo for the very most.
On June 24 2011 13:16 JunkkaGom wrote: awsome speech. I was actually running out of fresh idea myself and had thought to use a speech from movie. I had made one for GSL final but never got chance to use it and I never think will have. so here it is, I call it 'Johnheart' :
Tassteless : where is thy salute?
For presenting yourself in studio I give you thanks.
Artosis : This is our cast, to join it you give homage!
I give my homage to epsorts. And if this is your fan why does it go?
Random fan : we didn’t come here to watch one sided final
Random fan : Home! Terran are too many!
Sons of epsorts! I am John Park.
Random fan : John is 4 feet tall on his kneepad
Yes I’ve heard. Speaks languages by hundreds. and if he were here he’d even translate looks from eyes and fart noises from arse. I AM John Park and I see a whole crowd of my nerds, here in defiance of boredom. You’ve come to watch entertainment, and entertainment you will have. What will you do without entertainment? Will you watch?
Random fan : watch? With this many terran? No! we will go and we will rest.
Alright, watch, you may be bored and run you will rest, at least a while. And lying in your bed, many hours from now, would you be willing to trade all the hours from this hour to that, for one chance, JUST ONE CHANCE, to come back here and tell Tastosis, that they may take your time, but they will never take your entertainment! GSL!
moonan/slog u guys promised me a shoutout after u guys win a match. u guys better make a sick good looking poster that says "dde". or I would be rly sad
On June 24 2011 14:09 mythics wrote: Not sure if it's appropriate to ask this but I need to ask at some point. I'm wondering if anyone is restreaming the GSTL because i'm on a mac and they don't have a mac client. Also if anyone knows a way around .exe files that'll work too.
I'm gonna wake up early tonight (even though I have Cross Country practice in the morning), and watch FXO. GO GET THEM QXC AND HIS CREW OF MEGA-BALLERS!!!
So sad that I got to work and cannot watch, however, I will definitely catch up with the vods asap. Just got to see how I handle it with HSC3 parallely.
Am trying to come up with words to say about my appreciation not only to Hot bid and djWheat who, in my opinion are now honorary FXO members , but to the community at large.
I have personally had a rough time stomaching the team liquid community of late, and my self esteem online had been driven into the ground.
But after seeing not only this thread but also the ESFI interview thread. I have revitalised my faith in the TL community.
Thank you everyone, hopefully we can put on a good show for you guys. I am pretty sure we have a few things up our sleeve, hopefully they work
On June 24 2011 14:55 FXOpen wrote: Am trying to come up with words to say about my appreciation not only to Hot bid and djWheat who, in my opinion are now honorary FXO members , but to the community at large.
I have personally had a rough time stomaching the team liquid community of late, and my self esteem online had been driven into the ground.
But after seeing not only this thread but also the ESFI interview thread. I have revitalised my faith in the TL community.
Thank you every, hopefully we can put on a good show for you guys. I am pretty sure we have a few things up our sleeve, hopefully they work
Regards,
FXOBoSs
No matter what happens, we support you bro It's a fantastic thing you're doing!
On June 24 2011 14:55 FXOpen wrote: Am trying to come up with words to say about my appreciation not only to Hot bid and djWheat who, in my opinion are now honorary FXO members , but to the community at large.
I have personally had a rough time stomaching the team liquid community of late, and my self esteem online had been driven into the ground.
But after seeing not only this thread but also the ESFI interview thread. I have revitalised my faith in the TL community.
Thank you every, hopefully we can put on a good show for you guys. I am pretty sure we have a few things up our sleeve, hopefully they work
Regards,
FXOBoSs
No matter what happens, we support you bro It's a fantastic thing you're doing!
Ya, I agree with this.
Even if you guys don't do well... there will be no shame in losing to the Koreans and you will still have support here just for having gone out to Korea to play.
Although... you will obviously have to brace yourself for the assholes here... but still most people are very excited to see FXO participating in the GSTL. Good luck!
Hey FXOpen (Boss I think), once again good luck today! Also can I ask if the stream will be a continued thing? I think it got an awesome reaction, it pretty much became my most wanted stream above select/idra/demuslim when he starts so that's a good thing ^__^ I love the whole team account thing and how you switch the players around etc, anyways that's just my two cents.
FXO, speaking as just a fan, even if you get absolutely dominated... you're still there, goddammit. There's nothing you can do from here on that can take away from the fact that a foreigner team traveled into the heart of Korea and went toe to toe with the Korean teams. You've already made eSports history... so now just have fun and enjoy the ride!
On June 24 2011 15:06 Skaggs wrote: FXO, speaking as just a fan, even if you get absolutely dominated... you're still there, goddammit. There's nothing you can do from here on that can take away from the fact that a foreigner team traveled into the heart of Korea and went toe to toe with the Korean teams. You've already made eSports history... so now just have fun and enjoy the ride!
No... don't get complacent! Give it 200%! Gogogogo!
Edit: Could have combined those posts into one I guess, ah well.....
On June 24 2011 14:55 FXOpen wrote: Am trying to come up with words to say about my appreciation not only to Hot bid and djWheat who, in my opinion are now honorary FXO members , but to the community at large. I have personally had a rough time stomaching the team liquid community of late, and my self esteem online had been driven into the ground.
But after seeing not only this thread but also the ESFI interview thread. I have revitalised my faith in the TL community.
Thank you everyone, hopefully we can put on a good show for you guys. I am pretty sure we have a few things up our sleeve, hopefully they work
Regards,
FXOBoSs
It's the internet, unfortunately there will always be people who hide behind the anonymity of the internet to act like morons just for the hell of it. Just keep in mind that the vast majority of us really appreciate what you're doing, it's awesome to see you guys make the effort to go over to Korea as a team and take part in the GSTL, you're making history and even if you lose (which of course you won't :D), all your players are going to get so much experience and improve their games, and enjoy the experience. I am jealous!
On June 24 2011 14:55 FXOpen wrote: Am trying to come up with words to say about my appreciation not only to Hot bid and djWheat who, in my opinion are now honorary FXO members , but to the community at large.
I have personally had a rough time stomaching the team liquid community of late, and my self esteem online had been driven into the ground.
But after seeing not only this thread but also the ESFI interview thread. I have revitalised my faith in the TL community.
Thank you every, hopefully we can put on a good show for you guys. I am pretty sure we have a few things up our sleeve, hopefully they work
Regards,
FXOBoSs
The most vocal ones are the haters so just ignore them.
Also, as mentioned by other posters, no matter what happens you guys will still have the respect and support of a good amount of the community here at TL albeit they are the silent types =P
As a korean, my fandom always has been towards the korean players who are at the top. However, you guys are coming representing more than just your team. This is a chance to not only prove yourself against the best of the best but a chance to get korean-style training where even your laddering will a notch more difficult. Most importantly, you're representing the non-koreans, which is a big weight on your shoulder. All i gotta say is, go kill 'em! Show 'em what you're made of <3
The only team with balls of steel to set foot on korea, and face the challenge with all the odds stacked against them. FXO you have my blessing. Godspeed.
On June 24 2011 14:55 FXOpen wrote: Am trying to come up with words to say about my appreciation not only to Hot bid and djWheat who, in my opinion are now honorary FXO members , but to the community at large.
I have personally had a rough time stomaching the team liquid community of late, and my self esteem online had been driven into the ground.
But after seeing not only this thread but also the ESFI interview thread. I have revitalised my faith in the TL community.
Thank you everyone, hopefully we can put on a good show for you guys. I am pretty sure we have a few things up our sleeve, hopefully they work
Regards,
FXOBoSs
Josh, if FXO does win today, I'm going to walk up to you, salute you and request for permission to shake the hands of owner of the bravest team I ever met
There's absolutely no way I'm missing this. Not only did I put Sheth on my fantasy team (there's no way they won't put him in) but FXO has assembled an extremely likable team with tremendous talent and creativity, and although they might not win, they're accomplishing something tonight that could be described by many as "living the dream." GO FXO! We're all rooting for you!!!
On June 24 2011 14:55 FXOpen wrote: Am trying to come up with words to say about my appreciation not only to Hot bid and djWheat who, in my opinion are now honorary FXO members , but to the community at large.
I have personally had a rough time stomaching the team liquid community of late, and my self esteem online had been driven into the ground.
But after seeing not only this thread but also the ESFI interview thread. I have revitalised my faith in the TL community.
Thank you everyone, hopefully we can put on a good show for you guys. I am pretty sure we have a few things up our sleeve, hopefully they work
Regards,
FXOBoSs
Josh, if FXO does win today, I'm going to walk up to you, salute you and request for permission to shake the hands of owner of the bravest team I ever met
Be prepared to make good on this ^.^ EFFFF EXXXX OHHHH
On June 24 2011 14:09 mythics wrote: Not sure if it's appropriate to ask this but I need to ask at some point. I'm wondering if anyone is restreaming the GSTL because i'm on a mac and they don't have a mac client. Also if anyone knows a way around .exe files that'll work too.
edit: oh yah kick em hard FXO glgl
google Gomtv Mac client. Theres a dmg installer.
Yep MasterKen is right. The thing u need to do though, if u can't google it, just open gom, when the live show is ready, but u gotta do in safari. And down there u will hav the possibility to download the Mac Beta. BUT u always hav to start the stream through SAFARI !!! :-)
This is more like it! I was getting sick and tired of seeing all the retarded anti-FXO comments attacking the team's aspirations in Korea. Good luck to FXO! After winning the series please have a sheet of paper ready with the following statement: "Star Tale, you just got ST_omped!!!"
May the gods of luck and skill and hope and love be with you Sheth! And the same to the rest of you, sweet heroes! FXOpen Fighting! You guys are my guys! I'm staying up for this!
On June 24 2011 16:16 sylverfyre wrote: Man. I wish I could go back and change my liquibet to FXO, just so I could be one of the <5% in the unlikely event thatwhen they win.
So all this stuff with the stream was to make ST think you all are very poor players. It was very well done, I must say! Now go and rape the shit out of their asses!
Not sure how this works, but as far as the HD stream goes, is it as simple as you can log on a friends account who has the premium and open the HD stream?
On June 24 2011 18:25 KryptoStorm wrote: Not sure how this works, but as far as the HD stream goes, is it as simple as you can log on a friends account who has the premium and open the HD stream?
On June 24 2011 18:40 KryptoStorm wrote: So then, who's willing to donate me their account just for today untill I get my own payed account :>
it takes 10 seconds via paypal and you got your own payed account...
I have a Paypal and an GOMTV account already. I just don't have a payed account, and I honestly don't have the money right now, but I will eventually, I just would have loved to see todays games in decent quality since it's FXO. But it's ok ^__^
On June 24 2011 18:40 KryptoStorm wrote: So then, who's willing to donate me their account just for today untill I get my own payed account :>
it takes 10 seconds via paypal and you got your own payed account...
I have a Paypal and an GOMTV account already. I just don't have a payed account, and I honestly don't have the money right now, but I will eventually, I just would have loved to see todays games in decent quality since it's FXO. But it's ok ^__^
PM FXOBoss for a GOMTV account, he poops money according to tgun.
the starters were QXC and tiger. tiger opened 3 gate expand into DTs, did a lot of damage, then followed up with a gateway archon push and QXC ggd. FXO sent out sheth, tiger opened 15 nexus into double stargate. sheth handled it flawlessly, save some overlord losses. tiger followed it up with a agteway push, and sheth looked dead but he sacced his 4th and 3rd and saved his drones, then crushed tigers army and countered ftw. then ST sent up curious, he does baneling aggression against sheths 15 hatch. game goes into roach wars, curious had better upgrades and sheth lost. now it's Oz vs Curious.
Startale's now going "Oh crap, these guys are actually good". Now sending out Squirtle.Currently 2-2. Oz is such a (mega)-baller. Double Nexus Celebration lol.
"First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start. FXO sends out 2 Koreans in their first match. The commentators should find a better way to hype FXO. Sheth did great, but I don't think advertising as a "foreign team" is really the way to go.
On June 24 2011 20:04 Musou wrote: "First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start. FXO sends out 2 Koreans in their first match. The commentators should find a better way to hype FXO. Sheth did great, but I don't think advertising as a "foreign team" is really the way to go.
they all flew there FROM EUROPE. if thats not foreign, i dont know what is.
On June 24 2011 20:04 Musou wrote: "First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start. FXO sends out 2 Koreans in their first match. The commentators should find a better way to hype FXO. Sheth did great, but I don't think advertising as a "foreign team" is really the way to go.
they all flew there FROM EUROPE. if thats not foreign, i dont know what is.
No, they didn't. FXOz was recruited from Korea. He is a Korean citizen and is only now learning to speak English. Moonan was a Korean BW semi-pro who won the Courage tournament before moving to the US and is still a Korean citizen, so he can't stay in Korea for more than a short period, otherwise he has to do military service.
On June 24 2011 19:59 Neino wrote: Staretale mirroring the strongest players out :/
i guess thats all it takes to win in pro team comps. i blame blizzard.
Or the fact that they got outplayed in the mirrors which are perfectly balanced. Try to explain to Nestea and Inca that ZvZ and PvP are coinflip matchups.
This match was a very respectable showing by FXO. I'm looking forward to more of their matches, I hope they manage to defeat a Korean team during the tournament! With a bit more practice and getting used to being in Korea I'm sure they'll do well.
On June 24 2011 20:04 Musou wrote: "First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start. FXO sends out 2 Koreans in their first match. The commentators should find a better way to hype FXO. Sheth did great, but I don't think advertising as a "foreign team" is really the way to go.
they all flew there FROM EUROPE. if thats not foreign, i dont know what is.
No, they didn't. FXOz was recruited from Korea. He is a Korean citizen and is only now learning to speak English. Moonan was a Korean BW semi-pro who won the Courage tournament before moving to the US and is still a Korean citizen, so he can't stay in Korea for more than a short period, otherwise he has to do military service.
So what, they're not "World Team", they're just a team man.
better luck next round! :D wonderful proformance from all players! Definitely worth the sleep loss! Look forward to ur later matches! Though they will be view from vods TT
On June 24 2011 20:04 Musou wrote: "First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start. FXO sends out 2 Koreans in their first match. The commentators should find a better way to hype FXO. Sheth did great, but I don't think advertising as a "foreign team" is really the way to go.
they all flew there FROM EUROPE. if thats not foreign, i dont know what is.
No, they didn't. FXOz was recruited from Korea. He is a Korean citizen and is only now learning to speak English. Moonan was a Korean BW semi-pro who won the Courage tournament before moving to the US and is still a Korean citizen, so he can't stay in Korea for more than a short period, otherwise he has to do military service.
So what, they're not "World Team", they're just a team man.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. They shouldn't be using "foreign team" as their selling point/hype. It's even in their team description. It just makes it look bad and fuels the "Koreans vs the world" arguments that people have been having ever since SC2 went into beta.
Wow FXO actually did better than a lot of people expected, especially considering it's their first round. I'm sure ST expected to all-kill or something like that. If FXO improve even more I'm sure they could take down a Korean team.
On June 24 2011 20:20 antilyon wrote: FXO, you guys did better than many people expected, but I still wanted at least a 4-3 T_T
On June 24 2011 20:14 Musou wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:06 stuish wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:04 Musou wrote: "First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start. FXO sends out 2 Koreans in their first match. The commentators should find a better way to hype FXO. Sheth did great, but I don't think advertising as a "foreign team" is really the way to go.
they all flew there FROM EUROPE. if thats not foreign, i dont know what is.
No, they didn't. FXOz was recruited from Korea. He is a Korean citizen and is only now learning to speak English. Moonan was a Korean BW semi-pro who won the Courage tournament before moving to the US and is still a Korean citizen, so he can't stay in Korea for more than a short period, otherwise he has to do military service.
So what, they're not "World Team", they're just a team man.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. They shouldn't be using "foreign team" as their selling point/hype. It's even in their team description. It just makes it look bad and fuels the "Koreans vs the world" arguments that people have been having ever since SC2 went into beta.
On June 24 2011 20:20 antilyon wrote: FXO, you guys did better than many people expected, but I still wanted at least a 4-3 T_T
On June 24 2011 20:14 Musou wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:06 stuish wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:04 Musou wrote: "First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start. FXO sends out 2 Koreans in their first match. The commentators should find a better way to hype FXO. Sheth did great, but I don't think advertising as a "foreign team" is really the way to go.
they all flew there FROM EUROPE. if thats not foreign, i dont know what is.
No, they didn't. FXOz was recruited from Korea. He is a Korean citizen and is only now learning to speak English. Moonan was a Korean BW semi-pro who won the Courage tournament before moving to the US and is still a Korean citizen, so he can't stay in Korea for more than a short period, otherwise he has to do military service.
So what, they're not "World Team", they're just a team man.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. They shouldn't be using "foreign team" as their selling point/hype. It's even in their team description. It just makes it look bad and fuels the "Koreans vs the world" arguments that people have been having ever since SC2 went into beta.
you're retarded. think about what u just typed.
Nice ad hominem attack. You clearly have no reading comprehension. Maybe you should reread what I wrote and think about it a bit. Everything I've said supports my argument.
On June 24 2011 20:20 antilyon wrote: FXO, you guys did better than many people expected, but I still wanted at least a 4-3 T_T
On June 24 2011 20:14 Musou wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:06 stuish wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:04 Musou wrote: "First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start. FXO sends out 2 Koreans in their first match. The commentators should find a better way to hype FXO. Sheth did great, but I don't think advertising as a "foreign team" is really the way to go.
they all flew there FROM EUROPE. if thats not foreign, i dont know what is.
No, they didn't. FXOz was recruited from Korea. He is a Korean citizen and is only now learning to speak English. Moonan was a Korean BW semi-pro who won the Courage tournament before moving to the US and is still a Korean citizen, so he can't stay in Korea for more than a short period, otherwise he has to do military service.
So what, they're not "World Team", they're just a team man.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. They shouldn't be using "foreign team" as their selling point/hype. It's even in their team description. It just makes it look bad and fuels the "Koreans vs the world" arguments that people have been having ever since SC2 went into beta.
you're retarded. think about what u just typed.
Nice ad hominem attack. You clearly have no reading comprehension. Maybe you should reread what I wrote and think about it a bit. Everything I've said supports my argument.
of course, cause u have this pseudo bs arguement that all anyone cares is that its Korea vs. World . you shoud just wipe the sand out of ur vag. because nobody cares.
On June 24 2011 20:20 antilyon wrote: FXO, you guys did better than many people expected, but I still wanted at least a 4-3 T_T
On June 24 2011 20:14 Musou wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:06 stuish wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:04 Musou wrote: "First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start. FXO sends out 2 Koreans in their first match. The commentators should find a better way to hype FXO. Sheth did great, but I don't think advertising as a "foreign team" is really the way to go.
they all flew there FROM EUROPE. if thats not foreign, i dont know what is.
No, they didn't. FXOz was recruited from Korea. He is a Korean citizen and is only now learning to speak English. Moonan was a Korean BW semi-pro who won the Courage tournament before moving to the US and is still a Korean citizen, so he can't stay in Korea for more than a short period, otherwise he has to do military service.
So what, they're not "World Team", they're just a team man.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. They shouldn't be using "foreign team" as their selling point/hype. It's even in their team description. It just makes it look bad and fuels the "Koreans vs the world" arguments that people have been having ever since SC2 went into beta.
you're retarded. think about what u just typed.
Nice ad hominem attack. You clearly have no reading comprehension. Maybe you should reread what I wrote and think about it a bit. Everything I've said supports my argument.
of course, cause u have this pseudo bs arguement that all anyone cares is that its Korea vs. World . you shoud just wipe the sand out of ur vag. because nobody cares.
Nice ad hominem attack. You clearly have no reading comprehension. Maybe you should reread what I wrote and think about it a bit. Everything I've said supports my argument.
your argument is dumb, white guys in korea are foreigners.
On June 24 2011 20:20 antilyon wrote: FXO, you guys did better than many people expected, but I still wanted at least a 4-3 T_T
On June 24 2011 20:14 Musou wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:06 stuish wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:04 Musou wrote: "First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start. FXO sends out 2 Koreans in their first match. The commentators should find a better way to hype FXO. Sheth did great, but I don't think advertising as a "foreign team" is really the way to go.
they all flew there FROM EUROPE. if thats not foreign, i dont know what is.
No, they didn't. FXOz was recruited from Korea. He is a Korean citizen and is only now learning to speak English. Moonan was a Korean BW semi-pro who won the Courage tournament before moving to the US and is still a Korean citizen, so he can't stay in Korea for more than a short period, otherwise he has to do military service.
So what, they're not "World Team", they're just a team man.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. They shouldn't be using "foreign team" as their selling point/hype. It's even in their team description. It just makes it look bad and fuels the "Koreans vs the world" arguments that people have been having ever since SC2 went into beta.
you're retarded. think about what u just typed.
Nice ad hominem attack. You clearly have no reading comprehension. Maybe you should reread what I wrote and think about it a bit. Everything I've said supports my argument.
of course, cause u have this pseudo bs arguement that all anyone cares is that its Korea vs. World . you shoud just wipe the sand out of ur vag. because nobody cares.
The casters seem to. It's annoying.
because they have 10+mins after every game to waste time. what else are they gonna talk about?
On June 24 2011 20:20 antilyon wrote: FXO, you guys did better than many people expected, but I still wanted at least a 4-3 T_T
On June 24 2011 20:14 Musou wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:06 stuish wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:04 Musou wrote: "First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start. FXO sends out 2 Koreans in their first match. The commentators should find a better way to hype FXO. Sheth did great, but I don't think advertising as a "foreign team" is really the way to go.
they all flew there FROM EUROPE. if thats not foreign, i dont know what is.
No, they didn't. FXOz was recruited from Korea. He is a Korean citizen and is only now learning to speak English. Moonan was a Korean BW semi-pro who won the Courage tournament before moving to the US and is still a Korean citizen, so he can't stay in Korea for more than a short period, otherwise he has to do military service.
So what, they're not "World Team", they're just a team man.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. They shouldn't be using "foreign team" as their selling point/hype. It's even in their team description. It just makes it look bad and fuels the "Koreans vs the world" arguments that people have been having ever since SC2 went into beta.
you're retarded. think about what u just typed.
Nice ad hominem attack. You clearly have no reading comprehension. Maybe you should reread what I wrote and think about it a bit. Everything I've said supports my argument.
They are a team not from south korea. That means they are a foreign team, theres no other way to put it.
On June 24 2011 20:20 antilyon wrote: FXO, you guys did better than many people expected, but I still wanted at least a 4-3 T_T
On June 24 2011 20:14 Musou wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:06 stuish wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:04 Musou wrote: "First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start. FXO sends out 2 Koreans in their first match. The commentators should find a better way to hype FXO. Sheth did great, but I don't think advertising as a "foreign team" is really the way to go.
they all flew there FROM EUROPE. if thats not foreign, i dont know what is.
No, they didn't. FXOz was recruited from Korea. He is a Korean citizen and is only now learning to speak English. Moonan was a Korean BW semi-pro who won the Courage tournament before moving to the US and is still a Korean citizen, so he can't stay in Korea for more than a short period, otherwise he has to do military service.
So what, they're not "World Team", they're just a team man.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. They shouldn't be using "foreign team" as their selling point/hype. It's even in their team description. It just makes it look bad and fuels the "Koreans vs the world" arguments that people have been having ever since SC2 went into beta.
you're retarded. think about what u just typed.
Nice ad hominem attack. You clearly have no reading comprehension. Maybe you should reread what I wrote and think about it a bit. Everything I've said supports my argument.
Why do you care?
They are not based in Korea, making them a foreign team. As far as I know Moonan has been pretty exclusively participating in the foreign Starcraft scene which would classify him as a foreigner in the scene(much like Select). So they have Oz... Big deal..
Oh and you countered his Ad Hominem with a slightly concealed ad hominem of your own. Well played sir.
Last post because all I'm seeing are people who don't understand what I'm trying to say.
On June 24 2011 20:37 darkscream wrote: your argument is dumb, white guys in korea are foreigners.
Yes, they are. But to claim they are an all-foreigner team when they aren't is misleading. Especially when they are sending out their Korean players to help get kills.
On June 24 2011 20:38 stuish wrote: because they have 10+mins after every game to waste time. what else are they gonna talk about?
They could talk about the players, playstyles, go over what went wrong, etc. Same things they talk about after every game not involving foreigners? There's no reason to bring it up every time.
On June 24 2011 20:39 Chro wrote: They are a team not from south korea. That means they are a foreign team, theres no other way to put it.
They could just not bring it up like with the teams from Korea. You don't see them labeling every Korean team as "Korean team", they just state what they've accomplished. If they've accomplished nothing, then put nothing, just like the Korean teams. There's no reason to specifically point it out.
On June 24 2011 20:50 Ruscour wrote: CJ had IdrA, does that mean they weren't a Korean team? For crying out loud, FXO is a foreign team. In their recent introduction video they introduced themselves as an Australian team based on their management, having members from the US, Australia and Korea. Saying FXO isn't foreign is stupid.
Not replying to you directly, the guy that I quoted, talking to the guy that you quoted. I agree with you and such.
It didn't matter in BW because nobody ever brought it up. That's what I'm trying to get at here. Is FXO a foreign team? Yes. Are they an all-foreign team? No. Do they need to bring up the fact that they are foreign every time they are introduced? No. They are just another team choosing to compete in the GSTL. What should be hyped is their player skill and teamwork, not the fact that they are foreign.
On June 24 2011 20:20 antilyon wrote: FXO, you guys did better than many people expected, but I still wanted at least a 4-3 T_T
On June 24 2011 20:14 Musou wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:06 stuish wrote:
On June 24 2011 20:04 Musou wrote: "First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start. FXO sends out 2 Koreans in their first match. The commentators should find a better way to hype FXO. Sheth did great, but I don't think advertising as a "foreign team" is really the way to go.
they all flew there FROM EUROPE. if thats not foreign, i dont know what is.
No, they didn't. FXOz was recruited from Korea. He is a Korean citizen and is only now learning to speak English. Moonan was a Korean BW semi-pro who won the Courage tournament before moving to the US and is still a Korean citizen, so he can't stay in Korea for more than a short period, otherwise he has to do military service.
So what, they're not "World Team", they're just a team man.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. They shouldn't be using "foreign team" as their selling point/hype. It's even in their team description. It just makes it look bad and fuels the "Koreans vs the world" arguments that people have been having ever since SC2 went into beta.
you're retarded. think about what u just typed.
Nice ad hominem attack. You clearly have no reading comprehension. Maybe you should reread what I wrote and think about it a bit. Everything I've said supports my argument.
They are a team not from south korea. That means they are a foreign team, theres no other way to put it.
CJ had IdrA, does that mean they weren't a Korean team? For crying out loud, FXO is a foreign team. In their recent introduction video they introduced themselves as an Australian team based on their management, having members from the US, Australia and Korea. Saying FXO isn't foreign is stupid.
Not replying to you directly, the guy that I quoted, talking to the guy that you quoted. I agree with you and such.
Did you guys even bother reading his post? I doubt that. Here, I'll help you by quoting it again and highlight the important part that you seem to skip over:
On June 24 2011 20:04 Musou wrote: "First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." - hype before the matches start.
"First all-foreign team to play on Korean soil." "First all-foreign team to play" "all-foreign team to" "all-foreign team"
Two players are from korea. Not an all-foreign team.
On June 24 2011 20:50 Musou wrote: That's what I'm trying to get at here. Is FXO a foreign team? Yes. Are they an all-foreign team? No. Do they need to bring up the fact that they are foreign every time they are introduced? No. They are just another team choosing to compete in the GSTL. What should be hyped is their player skill and teamwork, not the fact that they are foreign.
That's the only defining thing about them. Their players aren't very good and they haven't won any major tournaments. They're only there because they're foreign. What's the problem?
On June 24 2011 16:29 Torte de Lini wrote: Bwahahaha, so good. God I loved that movie and now... this.
THis almost beats DjWheat's Scientology Spoof.
I'm pretty sure that video landed me this job
That was perhaps the best ending to any google search I had ever done. How had I not heard of that video before. Thanks so much DjWheat for all you do for the community!
Good show by FXO today. Yes, they had some bad loss, but first time on TV, when the whole foreign world watch you, one week after arriving in a new country, with a new training etc. is very understandable. They looked very nervous and I would have been too. And they had some wins too when we could have anticipated an all kill (it would not have been a shame) I'm now very confident that things will go better as the time passes, and I hope everyone support them !
On June 24 2011 23:41 MrCon wrote: Good show by FXO today. Yes, they had some bad loss, but first time on TV, when the whole foreign world watch you, one week after arriving in a new country, with a new training etc. is very understandable. They looked very nervous and I would have been too. And they had some wins too when we could have anticipated an all kill (it would not have been a shame) I'm now very confident that things will go better as the time passes, and I hope everyone support them !
i completely agree... given more and more time in the training environment they have i can only see them improving... and hopefully winning against some teams :D
Great moments are born from great opportunity. Thats what you have there boys. That's what you've earned there in Korea. One tournament; if you played the GSTL ten times, they might win nine. But not this tournament, not tonight. Tonight, you macro with them. Tonight, you micro with them, and tonight you shut them down because YOU CAN! Tonight, you are the greatest SC2 team in the world. You were born to be RTS players, every one of you, and you were meant to be there tonight. This is your time. Their time is done. It's over. I'm sick and tired of hearing about what great gamers the Koreans are. Screw 'em! This is your time. Now go out there and take it!
As the silky voice of djWheat trickled through the wires and through the headphones, into his ears, Greg felt the momentum of that champions' words course, like a tour de force, through his body and explode into the physical world as a hot tear running down his cheek. Greg hears every word; every trickle of foreigner heaven passes through his heart. When he is finished, Greg takes his headphones off, bowing his head slightly in front of his computer.
Weird strategy though. Went top-heavy with their top 3 players - qxc/Sheth/Oz - and try to win without having to rely on some of their weaker players. Unfortunately once qxc lost 0-1 without winning a game it became incredibly hard to accomplish what they were trying to do....Sheth going 1-1 and Oz going 1-1 was good for them but not for team...to have won that with qxc 0-1, they would've had to go 2-1 each, and I could see Sheth going 2-1 with the win against Curious but then Oz would've had to fight Bomber first and then probably July....not happening.
Still, <3 Sheth and Oz for taking a game off Startale. Disappointed with qxc for not taking a game off ST , Tiger is just a regular solid protoss...could've picked him apart with qxcdrops but they never came...sigh. The early game pressure was also so juvenile, few marines picked off here and there for no reason.
On June 25 2011 12:50 StyLeD wrote: Well...FXO lost 2-4....
Weird strategy though. Went top-heavy with their top 3 players - qxc/Sheth/Oz - and try to win without having to rely on some of their weaker players. Unfortunately once qxc lost 0-1 without winning a game it became incredibly hard to accomplish what they were trying to do....Sheth going 1-1 and Oz going 1-1 was good for them but not for team...to have won that with qxc 0-1, they would've had to go 2-1 each, and I could see Sheth going 2-1 with the win against Curious but then Oz would've had to fight Bomber first and then probably July....not happening.
Still, <3 Sheth and Oz for taking a game off Startale. Disappointed with qxc for not taking a game off ST , Tiger is just a regular solid protoss...could've picked him apart with qxcdrops but they never came...sigh. The early game pressure was also so juvenile, few marines picked off here and there for no reason.
): ): ):
Without revealing too much of our strategy, we got put in a point where we had to put a player who could beat a protoss up. So, we had Oz and sheth to choose from. Our other players wouldn't have beaten the execution style strategies that tiger was dishing out. He played 2 strats that were purely (if this works i win, if it doesnt i cant come back). As you saw in sheths game, once he failed his all in, he lost.
Sheth would have had a hard time vs bomber, so he went out next. And it would also mean they wouldnt send july out cos julys zvz is pretty bad. So we lined it up so that they would send out another protoss, curious wasn't expected and is very good. Unfortunately, sheth wasnt very familiar with the map he was playing on, but put up a good fight.
So then we have a z left in.. Do I risk going 3-1? its better to keep it tight in this situation so they really do have to bring out the big guns.
After Oz came out, he beat curious (curious knocked him out of code A quals 2 seasons ago). So he got some revenge + kept the scores even...I have results on ladder to say that bomber and july weren't going to be the hardest player. I was expecting them to send our squirtle, and I thought that Oz would win, he played mechanically better than squirtle, but the strategy exchange on PVP is sometimes very unforgiving. I was hoping that instead of squirtle, ace would come out, as their ace. It didn't happen. But squirtle is good anyway.
Finally Moonan went out as our final player because he was safer on the maps we had left than tgun and slog. But nerves got to him. The best part of what happened in the GSTL is now the players have the experience in the studio, so next game the nerves wont be much of an issue.
You guys played the match well. There's a lot of comparative strategy choices that'll happen. Btw, Sheth & Oz did kill it in their first games. Sheth's hold on Metalpolis was nuts. If Squirtle goes anything but DTs, Oz beats him hands down (his micro was really good there, too, btw).
I was also expecting Bomber as their Ace for today. Limits the risk for a ZvZ matchup for July.
Hopefully, everyone has the nerves issues mostly worked out. It was pretty noticeable. But it's a topic that Tastosis always talk about, so you guys actually handled it pretty well. The scary bit is FXO is only 3 total map wins behind Prime in GSTL. No joke, they're at 5 total wins through 3 seasons. (fOu was @ 5 until last night).
Should also probably be noted that getting Sheth out there early will help him for Code A this coming week.
On June 25 2011 23:51 Scaramanga wrote: I hope FXO doesnt get 1 win top 3 in ta are better than all of fxo lol
I think the top 3 of TA would disagree with you
i think you're a giant jerk but thats just my opinion
i wonder who's more of a jerk, the guy that comes into a team rally thread and rallies against the team in question, or the person who is part of the team that comes in and disagrees?
anyways, you guys did alright, i expected qxc to take a game but you win some, you lose some. you will most certainly only go up from here, and while realistically you guys will not likely win GSTL, it's not impossible. regardless, the journey of competing in GSTL, training in korea, developing as a team IRL, etc. is going to make all of you so much stronger in the coming months.
I'm going to be honest - I didn't think FXO was going to win a single game for entire season, but they did really well winning 2 games on their first night of play. More training and more experience playing in the GSTL will only mean better results.
On a side note, what is up with Sheth's keyboard in lap style? What if he moves slightly and the keyboard comes out of place...
On June 25 2011 12:50 StyLeD wrote: Well...FXO lost 2-4....
Weird strategy though. Went top-heavy with their top 3 players - qxc/Sheth/Oz - and try to win without having to rely on some of their weaker players. Unfortunately once qxc lost 0-1 without winning a game it became incredibly hard to accomplish what they were trying to do....Sheth going 1-1 and Oz going 1-1 was good for them but not for team...to have won that with qxc 0-1, they would've had to go 2-1 each, and I could see Sheth going 2-1 with the win against Curious but then Oz would've had to fight Bomber first and then probably July....not happening.
Still, <3 Sheth and Oz for taking a game off Startale. Disappointed with qxc for not taking a game off ST , Tiger is just a regular solid protoss...could've picked him apart with qxcdrops but they never came...sigh. The early game pressure was also so juvenile, few marines picked off here and there for no reason.
): ): ):
Without revealing too much of our strategy, we got put in a point where we had to put a player who could beat a protoss up. So, we had Oz and sheth to choose from. Our other players wouldn't have beaten the execution style strategies that tiger was dishing out. He played 2 strats that were purely (if this works i win, if it doesnt i cant come back). As you saw in sheths game, once he failed his all in, he lost.
Sheth would have had a hard time vs bomber, so he went out next. And it would also mean they wouldnt send july out cos julys zvz is pretty bad. So we lined it up so that they would send out another protoss, curious wasn't expected and is very good. Unfortunately, sheth wasnt very familiar with the map he was playing on, but put up a good fight.
So then we have a z left in.. Do I risk going 3-1? its better to keep it tight in this situation so they really do have to bring out the big guns.
After Oz came out, he beat curious (curious knocked him out of code A quals 2 seasons ago). So he got some revenge + kept the scores even...I have results on ladder to say that bomber and july weren't going to be the hardest player. I was expecting them to send our squirtle, and I thought that Oz would win, he played mechanically better than squirtle, but the strategy exchange on PVP is sometimes very unforgiving. I was hoping that instead of squirtle, ace would come out, as their ace. It didn't happen. But squirtle is good anyway.
Finally Moonan went out as our final player because he was safer on the maps we had left than tgun and slog. But nerves got to him. The best part of what happened in the GSTL is now the players have the experience in the studio, so next game the nerves wont be much of an issue.
I hope this helps with my decision making.
I hate to come in here and be critical, because I really hope that FXO performs to their capacity but...To suggest that online ladder and GSTL is in anyway, shape, or form of the same relativity is absurd.
They also weren't forced to play their ace because Oz dropped against Squirtle. However, if Oz had won, you can guarantee that Bomber is coming out as their Ace card. He has displayed some of the most dominant, consistent games in nearly every match up with victories over MC, and MVP.
Yea. I really didn't know what FXOpen meant by bomber not being the hardest player. I mean bomber.. the guy who had like the craziest win percentage on the korean ladder and stayed number 1 for a while.. only losing it other good people like marineking.. i mean bomber took out MC... only way bomber can lose is in zvt, where he lost games to nestea/moon. Other than that, he 8-2 whitera, took out mc, took out mma and mvp in tvts.... and sheth was out of the game so theres no zergs that can even think of taking out bomber...
its just a fucking game why do people make such a big deal about it, ok so what hope they win! you guys are racist punks.. so what if they are foreigners, they dont deserve to win any more than the koreans, fxo has failed to deliver any kind of decent performance, so I dont see how anything will change. But this has gone too far, wtf is this gay speech, I know its a joke but WTF is this bullshit about our courage, what courage? WTF is this shit so what they get paid to fly out and play against koreans but in the end they still get their salary.. you guys make me sick
On June 26 2011 10:24 Axx wrote: its just a fucking game why do people make such a big deal about it, ok so what hope they win! you guys are racist punks.. so what if they are foreigners, they dont deserve to win any more than the koreans, fxo has failed to deliver any kind of decent performance, so I dont see how anything will change. But this has gone too far, wtf is this gay speech, I know its a joke but WTF is this bullshit about our courage, what courage? WTF is this shit so what they get paid to fly out and play against koreans but in the end they still get their salary.. you guys make me sick
On June 26 2011 10:24 Axx wrote: its just a fucking game why do people make such a big deal about it, ok so what hope they win! you guys are racist punks.. so what if they are foreigners, they dont deserve to win any more than the koreans, fxo has failed to deliver any kind of decent performance, so I dont see how anything will change. But this has gone too far, wtf is this gay speech, I know its a joke but WTF is this bullshit about our courage, what courage? WTF is this shit so what they get paid to fly out and play against koreans but in the end they still get their salary.. you guys make me sick
On June 25 2011 12:50 StyLeD wrote: Well...FXO lost 2-4....
Weird strategy though. Went top-heavy with their top 3 players - qxc/Sheth/Oz - and try to win without having to rely on some of their weaker players. Unfortunately once qxc lost 0-1 without winning a game it became incredibly hard to accomplish what they were trying to do....Sheth going 1-1 and Oz going 1-1 was good for them but not for team...to have won that with qxc 0-1, they would've had to go 2-1 each, and I could see Sheth going 2-1 with the win against Curious but then Oz would've had to fight Bomber first and then probably July....not happening.
Still, <3 Sheth and Oz for taking a game off Startale. Disappointed with qxc for not taking a game off ST , Tiger is just a regular solid protoss...could've picked him apart with qxcdrops but they never came...sigh. The early game pressure was also so juvenile, few marines picked off here and there for no reason.
): ): ):
Without revealing too much of our strategy, we got put in a point where we had to put a player who could beat a protoss up. So, we had Oz and sheth to choose from. Our other players wouldn't have beaten the execution style strategies that tiger was dishing out. He played 2 strats that were purely (if this works i win, if it doesnt i cant come back). As you saw in sheths game, once he failed his all in, he lost.
Sheth would have had a hard time vs bomber, so he went out next. And it would also mean they wouldnt send july out cos julys zvz is pretty bad. So we lined it up so that they would send out another protoss, curious wasn't expected and is very good. Unfortunately, sheth wasnt very familiar with the map he was playing on, but put up a good fight.
So then we have a z left in.. Do I risk going 3-1? its better to keep it tight in this situation so they really do have to bring out the big guns.
After Oz came out, he beat curious (curious knocked him out of code A quals 2 seasons ago). So he got some revenge + kept the scores even...I have results on ladder to say that bomber and july weren't going to be the hardest player. I was expecting them to send our squirtle, and I thought that Oz would win, he played mechanically better than squirtle, but the strategy exchange on PVP is sometimes very unforgiving. I was hoping that instead of squirtle, ace would come out, as their ace. It didn't happen. But squirtle is good anyway.
Finally Moonan went out as our final player because he was safer on the maps we had left than tgun and slog. But nerves got to him. The best part of what happened in the GSTL is now the players have the experience in the studio, so next game the nerves wont be much of an issue.
I hope this helps with my decision making.
I hate to come in here and be critical, because I really hope that FXO performs to their capacity but...To suggest that online ladder and GSTL is in anyway, shape, or form of the same relativity is absurd.
They also weren't forced to play their ace because Oz dropped against Squirtle. However, if Oz had won, you can guarantee that Bomber is coming out as their Ace card. He has displayed some of the most dominant, consistent games in nearly every match up with victories over MC, and MVP.
Anyway, Good Luck.
We had Bomber and July written as their ace card. Depending on the race. Every player has a race they dont like/perform least well against.
Whether or not someone is the best player is purely a point of opinion. And all are entitled to theirs.
For my team, bomber wasn't the biggest concern Your criticism is good.
If Oz beat squirtle, I would have been surprised if bomber came ahead of July. Just because they are well aware of Oz and how he plays. IMO it would have been Ace or July. And Ace would have played last vs us if it got to that point imo. He is a total beast right now.
Got to say I applauded fxo for having the balls for going to korea, but after hearing fxo say bomber isn't hard and that drg has been figured out by koreans, I don't like their attitude and lack of respect they have for players. Will be rooting for them to be all killed from now on.
On June 26 2011 10:24 Axx wrote: its just a fucking game why do people make such a big deal about it, ok so what hope they win! you guys are racist punks.. so what if they are foreigners, they dont deserve to win any more than the koreans, fxo has failed to deliver any kind of decent performance, so I dont see how anything will change. But this has gone too far, wtf is this gay speech, I know its a joke but WTF is this bullshit about our courage, what courage? WTF is this shit so what they get paid to fly out and play against koreans but in the end they still get their salary.. you guys make me sick
they will improve miles and come back from korea as probably the strongest foreign team in the world as well as become some of the scariest players in the world.
well if bomber or july came out first, there was a possibility of being all killed , but it seemed they didnt need to pull out anybody top tier.
anyway, didnt the startale couch mention something about giving lesser players a chance against so called "easy teams", thats what they did, gave lesser players a shot and they managed to finish up fxo.
i dont expect much from fxo in the gstl, but i hope they can at least win one series, who do they play next?
I find it a bit lame that FXO is using a high percentage Korean players. I feel the community was looking forward to FXO moving there because they wanted to see how a foreigner team would match up against Korean teams. Using Korean players makes me lose some of the excitement from watching their matches.
In the first match they played, 2 out of the 4 players they picked were Korean. Yes Moonan has been playing from NA for a bit now but he is Korean born and raised and to me that doesn't make him a foreigner just like Huk, Idra, and Jinro playing in Korea doesn't make them Korean.
Maybe FXO will use more foreigners in the future and it was just by chance that they used 50% of their picks on Koreans in their first game but i doubt it. This is because FXO's main priority should be winning. I mean if I was the coach of FXO I would do whatever gives the team the best chance of winning. That probably means playing Moonan and the few Koreans they picked up since moving there. It still feels a bit lame in the end though.
On June 25 2011 12:50 StyLeD wrote: Well...FXO lost 2-4....
Weird strategy though. Went top-heavy with their top 3 players - qxc/Sheth/Oz - and try to win without having to rely on some of their weaker players. Unfortunately once qxc lost 0-1 without winning a game it became incredibly hard to accomplish what they were trying to do....Sheth going 1-1 and Oz going 1-1 was good for them but not for team...to have won that with qxc 0-1, they would've had to go 2-1 each, and I could see Sheth going 2-1 with the win against Curious but then Oz would've had to fight Bomber first and then probably July....not happening.
Still, <3 Sheth and Oz for taking a game off Startale. Disappointed with qxc for not taking a game off ST , Tiger is just a regular solid protoss...could've picked him apart with qxcdrops but they never came...sigh. The early game pressure was also so juvenile, few marines picked off here and there for no reason.
): ): ):
Without revealing too much of our strategy, we got put in a point where we had to put a player who could beat a protoss up. So, we had Oz and sheth to choose from. Our other players wouldn't have beaten the execution style strategies that tiger was dishing out. He played 2 strats that were purely (if this works i win, if it doesnt i cant come back). As you saw in sheths game, once he failed his all in, he lost.
Sheth would have had a hard time vs bomber, so he went out next. And it would also mean they wouldnt send july out cos julys zvz is pretty bad. So we lined it up so that they would send out another protoss, curious wasn't expected and is very good. Unfortunately, sheth wasnt very familiar with the map he was playing on, but put up a good fight.
So then we have a z left in.. Do I risk going 3-1? its better to keep it tight in this situation so they really do have to bring out the big guns.
After Oz came out, he beat curious (curious knocked him out of code A quals 2 seasons ago). So he got some revenge + kept the scores even...I have results on ladder to say that bomber and july weren't going to be the hardest player. I was expecting them to send our squirtle, and I thought that Oz would win, he played mechanically better than squirtle, but the strategy exchange on PVP is sometimes very unforgiving. I was hoping that instead of squirtle, ace would come out, as their ace. It didn't happen. But squirtle is good anyway.
Finally Moonan went out as our final player because he was safer on the maps we had left than tgun and slog. But nerves got to him. The best part of what happened in the GSTL is now the players have the experience in the studio, so next game the nerves wont be much of an issue.
I hope this helps with my decision making.
I hate to come in here and be critical, because I really hope that FXO performs to their capacity but...To suggest that online ladder and GSTL is in anyway, shape, or form of the same relativity is absurd.
They also weren't forced to play their ace because Oz dropped against Squirtle. However, if Oz had won, you can guarantee that Bomber is coming out as their Ace card. He has displayed some of the most dominant, consistent games in nearly every match up with victories over MC, and MVP.
Anyway, Good Luck.
We had Bomber and July written as their ace card. Depending on the race. Every player has a race they dont like/perform least well against.
Whether or not someone is the best player is purely a point of opinion. And all are entitled to theirs.
For my team, bomber wasn't the biggest concern Your criticism is good.
If Oz beat squirtle, I would have been surprised if bomber came ahead of July. Just because they are well aware of Oz and how he plays. IMO it would have been Ace or July. And Ace would have played last vs us if it got to that point imo. He is a total beast right now.
For your team, bomber wasn't the biggest concern?
i know you are FXO's coach and you "love" your own team, but comon, thats just so extremely biased. relating player skill to their ladder and i quote you "I have results on ladder to say that bomber and july weren't going to be the hardest player." is so incredibly absurd, please stop trolling. most of the members on TL know of bomber, and has seen his incredible plays, and as of july, i dont need to mention. i mean i would LOVE to see FXO perform really well, but FXO2-4ST, when ST sent their 'weakest' players isnt something to be proud of.. and the truth is, if bomber was first up, there would've been a very good chance of all kill all i can say is your lack of respect for said players makes me want to root for FXO getting all killed.
On June 26 2011 10:24 Axx wrote: its just a fucking game why do people make such a big deal about it, ok so what hope they win! you guys are racist punks.. so what if they are foreigners, they dont deserve to win any more than the koreans, fxo has failed to deliver any kind of decent performance, so I dont see how anything will change. But this has gone too far, wtf is this gay speech, I know its a joke but WTF is this bullshit about our courage, what courage? WTF is this shit so what they get paid to fly out and play against koreans but in the end they still get their salary.. you guys make me sick
If you don't have anything nice to say dont say anything at all if someone is rooting for a team they want to win even thinking they probably wont, you shouldnt come in shitting on them for it, so please shut up.
Guys have some faith in the FXO manager, I can't believe people would come into this thread calling what Josh says absurd or trolling when he suggests that Bomber wasn't their biggest concern given matchups and data they collected.
These are the kind of responses from TL users that really make me feel sad, FXO managers and players have no obligation to respond or give information but Josh is making an effort here, and he's met with people not just criticizing his decisions but insulting him.
It's not that difficult to believe Bomber wasn't their biggest concern. FXO could've had players practicing hard against Terran, or have good matchups, or recognize something from additional information. Just because you as a spectator see Bomber as Startale's best player doesn't mean your knowledge is somehow better than theirs. It certainly doesn't warrant you talking in a disrespectful way to a team manager that really deserves our support here.
What do you guys want him to say, "omg we're scared of bomber the instant he comes out it's over?" TBH Bomber is a little overrated as it is, he dropped many games at Dreamhack and looked VERY beatable. If Mana, Sarens, and Haypro can take a game off him there, then plenty of FXO guys can beat him in a Bo1 in GSTL.
Criticism is fine, but be respectful -- I'd be a little happier to even have this discourse rather than use it as an opportunity to flame FXO. Kind of disappointed at some of the posts here.
FXO's next match is against Zenex i believe, I have alot of faith that FXO will be able to defeat them, and if not it will be 4-3. Much respect to everyone on FXO and the things they are doing good luck guys! The night you play 5 of my friends and i will be watching you on the big screen tv and hoping you win GL! FXO Fighting!
On June 26 2011 13:37 Hot_Bid wrote: Guys have some faith in the FXO manager, I can't believe people would come into this thread calling what Josh says absurd or trolling when he suggests that Bomber wasn't their biggest concern given matchups and data they collected.
These are the kind of responses from TL users that really make me feel sad, FXO managers and players have no obligation to respond or give information but Josh is making an effort here, and he's met with people not just criticizing his decisions but insulting him.
It's not that difficult to believe Bomber wasn't their biggest concern. FXO could've had players practicing hard against Terran, or have good matchups, or recognize something from additional information. Just because you as a spectator see Bomber as Startale's best player doesn't mean your knowledge is somehow better than theirs. It certainly doesn't warrant you talking in a disrespectful way to a team manager that really deserves our support here.
What do you guys want him to say, "omg we're scared of bomber the instant he comes out it's over?" TBH Bomber is a little overrated as it is, he dropped many games at Dreamhack and looked VERY beatable. If Mana, Sarens, and Haypro can take a game off him there, then plenty of FXO guys can beat him in a Bo1 in GSTL.
Criticism is fine, but be respectful -- I'd be a little happier to even have this discourse rather than use it as an opportunity to flame FXO. Kind of disappointed at some of the posts here.
Disagree 100%. If fxo wants to go around disrespecting the koreans then they should be called out on it. Blindly agreeing with them just because they are foreigners is absurd. I used to like fxo, just because they were willing to take the chance to play in the gstl unlike other teams like mouz/dignatas, but am no longer a fan of theirs.
On June 26 2011 13:37 Hot_Bid wrote: Guys have some faith in the FXO manager, I can't believe people would come into this thread calling what Josh says absurd or trolling when he suggests that Bomber wasn't their biggest concern given matchups and data they collected.
These are the kind of responses from TL users that really make me feel sad, FXO managers and players have no obligation to respond or give information but Josh is making an effort here, and he's met with people not just criticizing his decisions but insulting him.
It's not that difficult to believe Bomber wasn't their biggest concern. FXO could've had players practicing hard against Terran, or have good matchups, or recognize something from additional information. Just because you as a spectator see Bomber as Startale's best player doesn't mean your knowledge is somehow better than theirs. It certainly doesn't warrant you talking in a disrespectful way to a team manager that really deserves our support here.
What do you guys want him to say, "omg we're scared of bomber the instant he comes out it's over?" TBH Bomber is a little overrated as it is, he dropped many games at Dreamhack and looked VERY beatable. If Mana, Sarens, and Haypro can take a game off him there, then plenty of FXO guys can beat him in a Bo1 in GSTL.
Criticism is fine, but be respectful -- I'd be a little happier to even have this discourse rather than use it as an opportunity to flame FXO. Kind of disappointed at some of the posts here.
Disagree 100%. If fxo wants to go around disrespecting the koreans then they should be called out on it. Blindly agreeing with them just because they are foreigners is absurd. I used to like fxo, just because they were willing to take the chance to play in the gstl unlike other teams like mouz/dignatas, but am no longer a fan of theirs.
I don't see how it's disrespectful to tell you our opinions and thoughts. We believe that bomber isn't the strongest player on their lineup; we're not saying he isn't a good player. You may be misinterpreting what we've been saying...
On June 26 2011 13:37 Hot_Bid wrote: Guys have some faith in the FXO manager, I can't believe people would come into this thread calling what Josh says absurd or trolling when he suggests that Bomber wasn't their biggest concern given matchups and data they collected.
These are the kind of responses from TL users that really make me feel sad, FXO managers and players have no obligation to respond or give information but Josh is making an effort here, and he's met with people not just criticizing his decisions but insulting him.
It's not that difficult to believe Bomber wasn't their biggest concern. FXO could've had players practicing hard against Terran, or have good matchups, or recognize something from additional information. Just because you as a spectator see Bomber as Startale's best player doesn't mean your knowledge is somehow better than theirs. It certainly doesn't warrant you talking in a disrespectful way to a team manager that really deserves our support here.
What do you guys want him to say, "omg we're scared of bomber the instant he comes out it's over?" TBH Bomber is a little overrated as it is, he dropped many games at Dreamhack and looked VERY beatable. If Mana, Sarens, and Haypro can take a game off him there, then plenty of FXO guys can beat him in a Bo1 in GSTL.
Criticism is fine, but be respectful -- I'd be a little happier to even have this discourse rather than use it as an opportunity to flame FXO. Kind of disappointed at some of the posts here.
On June 26 2011 13:37 Hot_Bid wrote: Guys have some faith in the FXO manager, I can't believe people would come into this thread calling what Josh says absurd or trolling when he suggests that Bomber wasn't their biggest concern given matchups and data they collected.
These are the kind of responses from TL users that really make me feel sad, FXO managers and players have no obligation to respond or give information but Josh is making an effort here, and he's met with people not just criticizing his decisions but insulting him.
It's not that difficult to believe Bomber wasn't their biggest concern. FXO could've had players practicing hard against Terran, or have good matchups, or recognize something from additional information. Just because you as a spectator see Bomber as Startale's best player doesn't mean your knowledge is somehow better than theirs. It certainly doesn't warrant you talking in a disrespectful way to a team manager that really deserves our support here.
What do you guys want him to say, "omg we're scared of bomber the instant he comes out it's over?" TBH Bomber is a little overrated as it is, he dropped many games at Dreamhack and looked VERY beatable. If Mana, Sarens, and Haypro can take a game off him there, then plenty of FXO guys can beat him in a Bo1 in GSTL.
Criticism is fine, but be respectful -- I'd be a little happier to even have this discourse rather than use it as an opportunity to flame FXO. Kind of disappointed at some of the posts here.
Disagree 100%. If fxo wants to go around disrespecting the koreans then they should be called out on it. Blindly agreeing with them just because they are foreigners is absurd. I used to like fxo, just because they were willing to take the chance to play in the gstl unlike other teams like mouz/dignatas, but am no longer a fan of theirs.
Exactly.. its not hard to believe? its incredibly hard to believe when the manager says something like "based on ladder pts, we have concluded bomber/july are ST's weakest link" if he cannot provide a solid explanation then he should not comment on the korean players, and these "comments" will be seen as disrespecting said korean players, who we all know and respect. its would be like me coming in here and saying SHETH and QXC are both weak/bad because they have no GSL past performance. see? thats trolling, and its the equivalent of saying "blah blah bomber blah blah july blah blah they bad, because ladder points."
On June 26 2011 13:37 Hot_Bid wrote: Guys have some faith in the FXO manager, I can't believe people would come into this thread calling what Josh says absurd or trolling when he suggests that Bomber wasn't their biggest concern given matchups and data they collected.
These are the kind of responses from TL users that really make me feel sad, FXO managers and players have no obligation to respond or give information but Josh is making an effort here, and he's met with people not just criticizing his decisions but insulting him.
It's not that difficult to believe Bomber wasn't their biggest concern. FXO could've had players practicing hard against Terran, or have good matchups, or recognize something from additional information. Just because you as a spectator see Bomber as Startale's best player doesn't mean your knowledge is somehow better than theirs. It certainly doesn't warrant you talking in a disrespectful way to a team manager that really deserves our support here.
What do you guys want him to say, "omg we're scared of bomber the instant he comes out it's over?" TBH Bomber is a little overrated as it is, he dropped many games at Dreamhack and looked VERY beatable. If Mana, Sarens, and Haypro can take a game off him there, then plenty of FXO guys can beat him in a Bo1 in GSTL.
Criticism is fine, but be respectful -- I'd be a little happier to even have this discourse rather than use it as an opportunity to flame FXO. Kind of disappointed at some of the posts here.
Disagree 100%. If fxo wants to go around disrespecting the koreans then they should be called out on it. Blindly agreeing with them just because they are foreigners is absurd. I used to like fxo, just because they were willing to take the chance to play in the gstl unlike other teams like mouz/dignatas, but am no longer a fan of theirs.
Exactly.. its not hard to believe? its incredibly hard to believe when the manager says something like "based on ladder pts, we have concluded bomber/july are ST's weakest link" if he cannot provide a solid explanation then he should not comment on the korean players, and these "comments" will be seen as disrespecting said korean players, who we all know and respect. its would be like me coming in here and saying SHETH and QXC are both weak/bad because they have no GSL past performance. see? thats trolling, and its the equivalent of saying "blah blah bomber blah blah july blah blah they bad, because ladder points."
He said they weren't the hardest, not that they were the weakest link. This is in no way disrespecting either of those guys. Obviously he recognizes that both of them are great players, but he felt that they would not be the biggest challenge for his team to face. Maybe they were more prepared to face Bomber/July, maybe they have some reason to fear some other player more.
On June 26 2011 13:37 Hot_Bid wrote: Guys have some faith in the FXO manager, I can't believe people would come into this thread calling what Josh says absurd or trolling when he suggests that Bomber wasn't their biggest concern given matchups and data they collected.
These are the kind of responses from TL users that really make me feel sad, FXO managers and players have no obligation to respond or give information but Josh is making an effort here, and he's met with people not just criticizing his decisions but insulting him.
It's not that difficult to believe Bomber wasn't their biggest concern. FXO could've had players practicing hard against Terran, or have good matchups, or recognize something from additional information. Just because you as a spectator see Bomber as Startale's best player doesn't mean your knowledge is somehow better than theirs. It certainly doesn't warrant you talking in a disrespectful way to a team manager that really deserves our support here.
What do you guys want him to say, "omg we're scared of bomber the instant he comes out it's over?" TBH Bomber is a little overrated as it is, he dropped many games at Dreamhack and looked VERY beatable. If Mana, Sarens, and Haypro can take a game off him there, then plenty of FXO guys can beat him in a Bo1 in GSTL.
Criticism is fine, but be respectful -- I'd be a little happier to even have this discourse rather than use it as an opportunity to flame FXO. Kind of disappointed at some of the posts here.
Disagree 100%. If fxo wants to go around disrespecting the koreans then they should be called out on it. Blindly agreeing with them just because they are foreigners is absurd. I used to like fxo, just because they were willing to take the chance to play in the gstl unlike other teams like mouz/dignatas, but am no longer a fan of theirs.
Exactly.. its not hard to believe? its incredibly hard to believe when the manager says something like "based on ladder pts, we have concluded bomber/july are ST's weakest link" if he cannot provide a solid explanation then he should not comment on the korean players, and these "comments" will be seen as disrespecting said korean players, who we all know and respect. its would be like me coming in here and saying SHETH and QXC are both weak/bad because they have no GSL past performance. see? thats trolling, and its the equivalent of saying "blah blah bomber blah blah july blah blah they bad, because ladder points."
He said they weren't the hardest, not that they were the weakest link. This is in no way disrespecting either of those guys. Obviously he recognizes that both of them are great players, but he felt that they would not be the biggest challenge for his team to face. Maybe they were more prepared to face Bomber/July, maybe they have some reason to fear some other player more.
Bro, don't you get it? These random posters clearly know more. They have all of the inside information on FXO's strongest matchups including maps and know that July and Bomber were the biggest problems. They're masters of the SC2 universe. They could run FXO better from their basements because they're that well versed in all of the details.
On June 26 2011 13:37 Hot_Bid wrote: Guys have some faith in the FXO manager, I can't believe people would come into this thread calling what Josh says absurd or trolling when he suggests that Bomber wasn't their biggest concern given matchups and data they collected.
These are the kind of responses from TL users that really make me feel sad, FXO managers and players have no obligation to respond or give information but Josh is making an effort here, and he's met with people not just criticizing his decisions but insulting him.
It's not that difficult to believe Bomber wasn't their biggest concern. FXO could've had players practicing hard against Terran, or have good matchups, or recognize something from additional information. Just because you as a spectator see Bomber as Startale's best player doesn't mean your knowledge is somehow better than theirs. It certainly doesn't warrant you talking in a disrespectful way to a team manager that really deserves our support here.
What do you guys want him to say, "omg we're scared of bomber the instant he comes out it's over?" TBH Bomber is a little overrated as it is, he dropped many games at Dreamhack and looked VERY beatable. If Mana, Sarens, and Haypro can take a game off him there, then plenty of FXO guys can beat him in a Bo1 in GSTL.
Criticism is fine, but be respectful -- I'd be a little happier to even have this discourse rather than use it as an opportunity to flame FXO. Kind of disappointed at some of the posts here.
Disagree 100%. If fxo wants to go around disrespecting the koreans then they should be called out on it. Blindly agreeing with them just because they are foreigners is absurd. I used to like fxo, just because they were willing to take the chance to play in the gstl unlike other teams like mouz/dignatas, but am no longer a fan of theirs.
Exactly.. its not hard to believe? its incredibly hard to believe when the manager says something like "based on ladder pts, we have concluded bomber/july are ST's weakest link" if he cannot provide a solid explanation then he should not comment on the korean players, and these "comments" will be seen as disrespecting said korean players, who we all know and respect. its would be like me coming in here and saying SHETH and QXC are both weak/bad because they have no GSL past performance. see? thats trolling, and its the equivalent of saying "blah blah bomber blah blah july blah blah they bad, because ladder points."
He said they weren't the hardest, not that they were the weakest link. This is in no way disrespecting either of those guys. Obviously he recognizes that both of them are great players, but he felt that they would not be the biggest challenge for his team to face. Maybe they were more prepared to face Bomber/July, maybe they have some reason to fear some other player more.
Bro, don't you get it? These random posters clearly know more. They have all of the inside information on FXO's strongest matchups including maps and know that July and Bomber were the biggest problems. They're masters of the SC2 universe. They could run FXO better from their basements because they're that well versed in all of the details.
I guess you're right. I'll try to use better judgement before I post next time, thanks!
Disagree 100%. If fxo wants to go around disrespecting the koreans then they should be called out on it. Blindly agreeing with them just because they are foreigners is absurd. I used to like fxo, just because they were willing to take the chance to play in the gstl unlike other teams like mouz/dignatas, but am no longer a fan of theirs.
I don't understand how you can go from "not our biggest concern" to "hes a bad player" FXO has nothing but respect from every korean player, having been in that code A qualifier room NO ONE who is on a korean team is bad at this game there are only levels of how good they are, underestimating someone is the worst possible thing you can do. We have been in Korea about 2 weeks now, we all uprooted our lives, left our girlfriends and we are of course putting out all into it. All of our players myself and wolf included spend god knows how many hours/days researching everything we have ever seen of ST, including practicing ALOT with "insert KR team" who were immensly helpful not only in identifying our strengths/weaknesses but other teams players aswell. From all of that we concluded that our biggest fear from ST was Ace/July. Due to the format of GSTL that is what we based our movements on, keeping certain players from the roster.
On June 26 2011 08:16 inamorato wrote:
I hate to come in here and be critical, because I really hope that FXO performs to their capacity but...To suggest that online ladder and GSTL is in anyway, shape, or form of the same relativity is absurd.
Refer to above, we cannot express how important it is that alot of information must be kept from an open forum. so please be open minded about this when we are trying to explain things
On June 26 2011 12:50 Traumatizer wrote: I find it a bit lame that FXO is using a high percentage Korean players. I feel the community was looking forward to FXO moving there because they wanted to see how a foreigner team would match up against Korean teams. Using Korean players makes me lose some of the excitement from watching their matches.
In the first match they played, 2 out of the 4 players they picked were Korean. Yes Moonan has been playing from NA for a bit now but he is Korean born and raised and to me that doesn't make him a foreigner just like Huk, Idra, and Jinro playing in Korea doesn't make them Korean.
Maybe FXO will use more foreigners in the future and it was just by chance that they used 50% of their picks on Koreans in their first game but i doubt it. This is because FXO's main priority should be winning. I mean if I was the coach of FXO I would do whatever gives the team the best chance of winning. That probably means playing Moonan and the few Koreans they picked up since moving there. It still feels a bit lame in the end though.
Does anyone else feel the same?
What the f*** is the racist bullshit. Just because Moonan is Korean doesn't make him a foreigner? He's just as much a foreigner as the rest of us.
No one gives a damn about what players they use. They're in team FXO and that's all the matters. GTFO...
On June 26 2011 12:50 Traumatizer wrote: I find it a bit lame that FXO is using a high percentage Korean players. I feel the community was looking forward to FXO moving there because they wanted to see how a foreigner team would match up against Korean teams. Using Korean players makes me lose some of the excitement from watching their matches.
In the first match they played, 2 out of the 4 players they picked were Korean. Yes Moonan has been playing from NA for a bit now but he is Korean born and raised and to me that doesn't make him a foreigner just like Huk, Idra, and Jinro playing in Korea doesn't make them Korean.
Maybe FXO will use more foreigners in the future and it was just by chance that they used 50% of their picks on Koreans in their first game but i doubt it. This is because FXO's main priority should be winning. I mean if I was the coach of FXO I would do whatever gives the team the best chance of winning. That probably means playing Moonan and the few Koreans they picked up since moving there. It still feels a bit lame in the end though.
Does anyone else feel the same?
What the f*** is the racist bullshit. Just because Moonan is Korean doesn't make him a foreigner? He's just as much a foreigner as the rest of us.
No one gives a damn about what players they use. They're in team FXO and that's all the matters. GTFO...
yeah that's pretty lame and insulting as hell to people like me, korean living in america. I would NOT count as a "korean" player, and would more comfortably be called a foreign player. In fact, i'd argue that Idra is more "korean" than I am, as "korean" generally is being used in reference to the infrastructure under which they were trained.
by your logic nearly every basketball player in the US is African and the best player in the US can't be black, because they're of African descent. Stupid huh? yeah exactly.
As I have said in a previous statement. We are representatives of FXO. If someone wants to put us on a throne and say "foreigner represetitives" thats their choice. But we have no obligation to "non koreans". We are there to play sc2 at the most competitive level and improve not only as a team, but as individuals as well.
We have never declared that we are representing e-sports in the west/europe/sea whatever.
On June 26 2011 14:59 FXOpen wrote: As I have said in a previous statement. We are representatives of FXO. If someone wants to put us on a throne and say "foreigner represetitives" thats their choice. But we have no obligation to "non koreans". We are there to play sc2 at the most competitive level and improve not only as a team, but as individuals as well.
We have never declared that we are representing e-sports in the west/europe/sea whatever.
Racism is the worst form of discrimination.
And you will do incredibly well and improve BOUNDS. Don't get discouraged by these idiots, this is the beginning to a dramatic improvement where you will gain not only the skill but the discpline to challenge even the best koreans by the end.
On June 26 2011 12:50 Traumatizer wrote: I find it a bit lame that FXO is using a high percentage Korean players. I feel the community was looking forward to FXO moving there because they wanted to see how a foreigner team would match up against Korean teams. Using Korean players makes me lose some of the excitement from watching their matches.
In the first match they played, 2 out of the 4 players they picked were Korean. Yes Moonan has been playing from NA for a bit now but he is Korean born and raised and to me that doesn't make him a foreigner just like Huk, Idra, and Jinro playing in Korea doesn't make them Korean.
Maybe FXO will use more foreigners in the future and it was just by chance that they used 50% of their picks on Koreans in their first game but i doubt it. This is because FXO's main priority should be winning. I mean if I was the coach of FXO I would do whatever gives the team the best chance of winning. That probably means playing Moonan and the few Koreans they picked up since moving there. It still feels a bit lame in the end though.
Does anyone else feel the same?
What the f*** is the racist bullshit. Just because Moonan is Korean doesn't make him a foreigner? He's just as much a foreigner as the rest of us.
No one gives a damn about what players they use. They're in team FXO and that's all the matters. GTFO...
lol i typed out a reply to this but then had 2nd thoughts about it as I'd probably get warned for being a retarded troll
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On June 26 2011 13:37 Hot_Bid wrote: Guys have some faith in the FXO manager, I can't believe people would come into this thread calling what Josh says absurd or trolling when he suggests that Bomber wasn't their biggest concern given matchups and data they collected.
These are the kind of responses from TL users that really make me feel sad, FXO managers and players have no obligation to respond or give information but Josh is making an effort here, and he's met with people not just criticizing his decisions but insulting him.
It's not that difficult to believe Bomber wasn't their biggest concern. FXO could've had players practicing hard against Terran, or have good matchups, or recognize something from additional information. Just because you as a spectator see Bomber as Startale's best player doesn't mean your knowledge is somehow better than theirs. It certainly doesn't warrant you talking in a disrespectful way to a team manager that really deserves our support here.
What do you guys want him to say, "omg we're scared of bomber the instant he comes out it's over?" TBH Bomber is a little overrated as it is, he dropped many games at Dreamhack and looked VERY beatable. If Mana, Sarens, and Haypro can take a game off him there, then plenty of FXO guys can beat him in a Bo1 in GSTL.
Criticism is fine, but be respectful -- I'd be a little happier to even have this discourse rather than use it as an opportunity to flame FXO. Kind of disappointed at some of the posts here.
Disagree 100%. If fxo wants to go around disrespecting the koreans then they should be called out on it. Blindly agreeing with them just because they are foreigners is absurd. I used to like fxo, just because they were willing to take the chance to play in the gstl unlike other teams like mouz/dignatas, but am no longer a fan of theirs.
Exactly.. its not hard to believe? its incredibly hard to believe when the manager says something like "based on ladder pts, we have concluded bomber/july are ST's weakest link" if he cannot provide a solid explanation then he should not comment on the korean players, and these "comments" will be seen as disrespecting said korean players, who we all know and respect. its would be like me coming in here and saying SHETH and QXC are both weak/bad because they have no GSL past performance. see? thats trolling, and its the equivalent of saying "blah blah bomber blah blah july blah blah they bad, because ladder points."
He said they weren't the hardest, not that they were the weakest link. This is in no way disrespecting either of those guys. Obviously he recognizes that both of them are great players, but he felt that they would not be the biggest challenge for his team to face. Maybe they were more prepared to face Bomber/July, maybe they have some reason to fear some other player more.
Bro, don't you get it? These random posters clearly know more. They have all of the inside information on FXO's strongest matchups including maps and know that July and Bomber were the biggest problems. They're masters of the SC2 universe. They could run FXO better from their basements because they're that well versed in all of the details.
Thank you for this post. I was starting to rage over the sheer stupidity people were posting, but this made me laugh.
On June 26 2011 13:37 Hot_Bid wrote: Guys have some faith in the FXO manager, I can't believe people would come into this thread calling what Josh says absurd or trolling when he suggests that Bomber wasn't their biggest concern given matchups and data they collected.
These are the kind of responses from TL users that really make me feel sad, FXO managers and players have no obligation to respond or give information but Josh is making an effort here, and he's met with people not just criticizing his decisions but insulting him.
It's not that difficult to believe Bomber wasn't their biggest concern. FXO could've had players practicing hard against Terran, or have good matchups, or recognize something from additional information. Just because you as a spectator see Bomber as Startale's best player doesn't mean your knowledge is somehow better than theirs. It certainly doesn't warrant you talking in a disrespectful way to a team manager that really deserves our support here.
What do you guys want him to say, "omg we're scared of bomber the instant he comes out it's over?" TBH Bomber is a little overrated as it is, he dropped many games at Dreamhack and looked VERY beatable. If Mana, Sarens, and Haypro can take a game off him there, then plenty of FXO guys can beat him in a Bo1 in GSTL.
Criticism is fine, but be respectful -- I'd be a little happier to even have this discourse rather than use it as an opportunity to flame FXO. Kind of disappointed at some of the posts here.
I reengaged FXOBoSs, questioning his thought process and logic behind his lineup selection, and response to the opponent in a respectful manner. I find it highly entertaining to be able to pick the brain of a professional coach and have a response that was well thought and out spoken.
I think to deny passionate spectators an opportunity to receive feedback from this equally passionate manager would be disrespectful.
Furthermore, Again, I appreciate the effort and dedication that you've displayed just to this thread FXOBoSs. I appreciate the opportunity to intelligently converse on the nuances of the event and would be thrilled to do so in much further detail in the future.
On June 26 2011 13:37 Hot_Bid wrote: Guys have some faith in the FXO manager, I can't believe people would come into this thread calling what Josh says absurd or trolling when he suggests that Bomber wasn't their biggest concern given matchups and data they collected.
These are the kind of responses from TL users that really make me feel sad, FXO managers and players have no obligation to respond or give information but Josh is making an effort here, and he's met with people not just criticizing his decisions but insulting him.
It's not that difficult to believe Bomber wasn't their biggest concern. FXO could've had players practicing hard against Terran, or have good matchups, or recognize something from additional information. Just because you as a spectator see Bomber as Startale's best player doesn't mean your knowledge is somehow better than theirs. It certainly doesn't warrant you talking in a disrespectful way to a team manager that really deserves our support here.
What do you guys want him to say, "omg we're scared of bomber the instant he comes out it's over?" TBH Bomber is a little overrated as it is, he dropped many games at Dreamhack and looked VERY beatable. If Mana, Sarens, and Haypro can take a game off him there, then plenty of FXO guys can beat him in a Bo1 in GSTL.
Criticism is fine, but be respectful -- I'd be a little happier to even have this discourse rather than use it as an opportunity to flame FXO. Kind of disappointed at some of the posts here.
I reengaged FXOBoSs, questioning his thought process and logic behind his lineup selection, and response to the opponent in a respectful manner. I find it highly entertaining to be able to pick the brain of a professional coach and have a response that was well thought and out spoken.
I think to deny passionate spectators an opportunity to receive feedback from this equally passionate manager would be disrespectful.
Furthermore, Again, I appreciate the effort and dedication that you've displayed just to this thread FXOBoSs. I appreciate the opportunity to intelligently converse on the nuances of the event and would be thrilled to do so in much further detail in the future.
Nobody is saying anyone should be denied a chance to receive feedback. I'm only saying its wrong to attack him the way a lot of fans have attacked him here. Some were calling his thoughts "absurd" or even asking if he was "trolling," that's just stupid.
I'm not asking for outright silence, just a respectful tone. The way people speak to the FXO manager here, it's easy to see why he would stop posting or interacting further with people, it's embarrassing.
On June 26 2011 13:37 Hot_Bid wrote: Guys have some faith in the FXO manager, I can't believe people would come into this thread calling what Josh says absurd or trolling when he suggests that Bomber wasn't their biggest concern given matchups and data they collected.
These are the kind of responses from TL users that really make me feel sad, FXO managers and players have no obligation to respond or give information but Josh is making an effort here, and he's met with people not just criticizing his decisions but insulting him.
It's not that difficult to believe Bomber wasn't their biggest concern. FXO could've had players practicing hard against Terran, or have good matchups, or recognize something from additional information. Just because you as a spectator see Bomber as Startale's best player doesn't mean your knowledge is somehow better than theirs. It certainly doesn't warrant you talking in a disrespectful way to a team manager that really deserves our support here.
What do you guys want him to say, "omg we're scared of bomber the instant he comes out it's over?" TBH Bomber is a little overrated as it is, he dropped many games at Dreamhack and looked VERY beatable. If Mana, Sarens, and Haypro can take a game off him there, then plenty of FXO guys can beat him in a Bo1 in GSTL.
Criticism is fine, but be respectful -- I'd be a little happier to even have this discourse rather than use it as an opportunity to flame FXO. Kind of disappointed at some of the posts here.
Disagree 100%. If fxo wants to go around disrespecting the koreans then they should be called out on it. Blindly agreeing with them just because they are foreigners is absurd. I used to like fxo, just because they were willing to take the chance to play in the gstl unlike other teams like mouz/dignatas, but am no longer a fan of theirs.
Exactly.. its not hard to believe? its incredibly hard to believe when the manager says something like "based on ladder pts, we have concluded bomber/july are ST's weakest link" if he cannot provide a solid explanation then he should not comment on the korean players, and these "comments" will be seen as disrespecting said korean players, who we all know and respect. its would be like me coming in here and saying SHETH and QXC are both weak/bad because they have no GSL past performance. see? thats trolling, and its the equivalent of saying "blah blah bomber blah blah july blah blah they bad, because ladder points."
He never said July or Bomber are their weakest link, he never even said they were weak or bad, just that they weren't their biggest worries for Startale based on a lot of factors.
edit: Just checked your post history, it's an awful mess of warnings and bans that you don't listen to, so goodbye.
He just stated his opinion based on the research FXO did and its not like he called either of those players bad or anything. You guys can disagree but do it like normal well adjusted human beings.
But I don't agree that Tiger used a "I must win with this" strategy against QXC >_> but whatevs.
Hope to see more of FXO in their GSTL run, keep up the good work guys.
Boss is a boss. Where anyone would get "disrespecting the Koreans" from him saying Bomber wasn't their biggest threat? Bomber and July are tough, but Ace is tougher.
On June 26 2011 17:31 SixPackAbs wrote: Boss is a boss. Where anyone would get "disrespecting the Koreans" from him saying Bomber wasn't their biggest threat? Bomber and July are tough, but Ace is tougher.
Can't wait til the zenex match :D
I'm actually hoping FXO drops ZeNex 4-0. Then, FXO will have more map victories than ZeNex
I wish the whole white dude vs Korea debate would just disappear from TL. Where is the fairy godmother when you really need her.
Anyways, I was very excited with the FXO matches and thought they did really well. Felt sad for qxc for dropping the first match (especially against dt's). Got really scared when Sheth almost lost and got really, really excited when he clawed his way back into the match and won. Nevertheless 2:4 is a respectable results.
Especially considering that there is so much pressure on the team. I understand that FXO is saying that they are not representing the entire foreign community but they are the first non-korean SC team to compete in Korea.
They should be better used now to the environment and I think they will play even better from here on. I'm really hoping they will make the playoffs.
And BTW... How can Sheth play with his keyboard in his lap? I would really like to understand the mechanics of that. Doesn't it constantly shift without the firm support of a desk/table?
I am so glad to see a human representative of the Homo Sapiens participate and eventually lead to the win for any of the team which are on equal match both with culture, genes and all the other good stuff that is used to define our species.
The biggest issue I have, is that they have a korean player (not someone with korean origin) and acts like the foreign voice and hope in the GSTL. A player like Select, would go for a foreigner, but a retired BW pro, not so much and shouldn't be part of FXO within THIS GSTL, simply because of the expectations of watching foreigners compete.
How about a "worst case scenario", that would be if that z wins every match he plays, and basically solo the GSTL (unlikely, but let's assume it happens). Would it be fair to say foreigners are able to compete?
On June 26 2011 21:15 chokke wrote: I am so glad to see a human representative of the Homo Sapiens participate and eventually lead to the win for any of the team which are on equal match both with culture, genes and all the other good stuff that is used to define our species.
The biggest issue I have, is that they have a korean player (not someone with korean origin) and acts like the foreign voice and hope in the GSTL. A player like Select, would go for a foreigner, but a retired BW pro, not so much and shouldn't be part of FXO within THIS GSTL, simply because of the expectations of watching foreigners compete.
How about a "worst case scenario", that would be if that z wins every match he plays, and basically solo the GSTL (unlikely, but let's assume it happens). Would it be fair to say foreigners are able to compete?
And no, it has nothing to do with racism.
Edit: Rephrased/remove a sentance
If you scroll to the top of the page you will see Boss posting about them being there representing FXO, not foreigners worldwide. Oz is a part of FXO and thus they would be pretty damn happy if he started and all killed every team from here on out.
If you want to talk about foreigners not being able to compete Oz all killing every team wouldn't say anything about it because the foreigners wouldn't get their chance to play so you wouldn't know.
That was amazing. I'd also like to take this moment to say "Fuck you" to my boss, who has me working early Friday morning so I can't watch our boys bring back the glory
On June 28 2011 18:12 FoxyMayhem wrote: Can someone summarize the matches for me? *Beggy dog eyes*
Overall, all three games basically boiled down to San's two base timing vs. Sheth's 3 base defense, except in game 1 on crossfire, where it drew out to more bases. Sheth held off San's attacks pretty well in G2/3, and San GGed soon after. G1 went mass blink stalker vs. muta/ling, and San won that game through attrition in some sense.
On June 30 2011 22:09 SovSov wrote: Yeahhh, too bad FXO is getting stomped by B-teams losing to DT rushes because no one is taking them seriously they collectively forgot detection in their first televised GSL match.
And the Korean is one of their only reliable players.
Those were annoying but not horrible losses. Losing 2-4 to StarTale is not that worrying.
On June 30 2011 22:09 SovSov wrote: Yeahhh, too bad FXO is getting stomped by B-teams because no one is taking them seriously.
And the Korean is one of their only reliable players.
Moonan has just beaten Supernova in the NASL Qualifier, Sheth has won against San in Code A, both are respectable players. And I am sure Qxc can win some games, too. FXO are underdogs yes, but they have a roster that can compete
On July 01 2011 19:07 LuckyGnom wrote: Todays match is just a joke.. Using tigan, moonan, slog while you have guys like sheth, qxc, oz is just a freewin for ZeNEX.
Dude, they already know that - For now, they're there for the experience only.. At least aknowledge the fact that they, as the only team, have the courage and the commitment to try out Korea for the long haul as a full team.. They'll keep coming back and they'll be stronger each time
At least aknowledge the fact that they, as the only team, have the courage and the commitment to try out Korea for the long haul as a full team..
Since they the only team which moved to Korea they should use the most strongest players to show the best games they can because they representing all non-asian SC2 community right now
At least aknowledge the fact that they, as the only team, have the courage and the commitment to try out Korea for the long haul as a full team..
Since they the only team which moved to Korea they should use the most strongest players to show the best games they can because they representing all non-asian SC2 community right now
They are not representing the non-asian sc2 community, they are representing themselves. They never said that they were representing the foriegner esports community. The world tournament team was a better representation of that than FXO. All this crap about foriegners being let down by FXO needs to stop since they are the only team with the balls to actually try to get better in the korean environment.
On July 01 2011 19:28 spicyredcurry wrote: They are not representing the non-asian sc2 community, they are representing themselves. They never said that they were representing the foriegner esports community. The world tournament team was a better representation of that than FXO. All this crap about foriegners being let down by FXO needs to stop since they are the only team with the balls to actually try to get better in the korean environment.
At least aknowledge the fact that they, as the only team, have the courage and the commitment to try out Korea for the long haul as a full team..
Since they the only team which moved to Korea they should use the most strongest players to show the best games they can because they representing all non-asian SC2 community right now
Get some respect and possibly a clue - Read the thread/posts from FXOboss, for starters
I said this on IRC as well to a similar scrub:
If you're in the middle of Old Trafford, among the Manchester United fans and you sit and shittalk Manchester United, you are extremely disrespectful. That's exactly what you are doing right now.
FXO Fighting!! Its good that you got more of your team experience in the booth and you can examine these high level games and see where you need to improve.
pretty bad showing, i would have expected all kills from better players, but anyway,a code b all kills fxo sigh.
i hope they can pick up the slack, its not about quantity of training but quality, you can do 10 hour training practice sessions each day, but if your training partners suck, there is no hope.
Disappointed that FXO doesn't seem to take the competition seriously, unless I am mistaken and Sheth/Qxc are not better than the first 3 players we saw today.
Having everyone play is all good in children's sports because noone feels left out, in the most competitive starcraft 2 team league not so much. Esp. when they are playing against arguably one of the weaker teams.
Yep, they might go there for the experience and the training, but I watch GSTL for high level games and fierce competition.
pretty bad showing, i would have expected all kills from better players, but anyway,a code b all kills fxo sigh.
i hope they can pick up the slack, its not about quantity of training but quality, you can do as many 10 hour training practice sessions each day, but if your training partners suck, there is no hope.
Disappointed that FXO doesn't seem to take the competition seriously, unless I am mistaken and Sheth/Qxc are not better than the first 3 players we saw today.
Having everyone play is all good in children's sports because noone feels left out, in the most competitive starcraft 2 team league not so much. Esp. when they are playing against arguably one of the weaker teams.
Yep, they might go there for the experience and the training, but I watch GSTL for high level games and fierce competition.
thats what Ive talked about.. I dont blame on FXO, but I cant get why they cant use 3 or 2 top team players every match and 1-2 middle skill players - everyone will get experience so and we will get some great games and winning points maybe
Next time, send out qxc and Sheth. Oz can't win on his own. You're not going to be one of those idiot teams who send out their worse players for "experience"? Getting buttraped isn't the best way to gain experience. See tgun.
There's too much negativity in this thread. Being all killed isn't great, but I'm still a huge fan of FXO! They seem like the kind of team to take this loss and work their asses off because of it. Good luck to you guys in the future! FXO Fighting!
On July 01 2011 19:45 davsp wrote: Sheth and QXC not playing... Lol.
And that game from tgun was just sad, you could really sense he was nervous.
Oh well, keep trying guys.
Sheth had his games against Puzzle just a few hours before the GSTL, so he probably didn't have the best mindset.
I think the nervousness is why FXO sends in their least experienced players. They know they do not really have a chance to win the GSTL, so the best they can do is make their players learn to deal with the nervousness and pressure. They don't play to win, they play to learn - a really good decision imho.
On July 01 2011 19:47 Lennon wrote: Next time, send out qxc and Sheth. Oz can't win on his own. You're not going to be one of those idiot teams who send out their worse players for "experience"? Getting buttraped isn't the best way to gain experience. See tgun.
Wtf? Are you some sort of expert, or what makes you qualified to lecture on what the best way to gain experience is? I don't get people who think they know Boss' team better than he does, the managers probably put a lot more long-term thought and strategy than "send out qxc/sheth/oz herpderp" (which is what everyone is saying) into their decisions.
On July 01 2011 19:47 Lennon wrote: Next time, send out qxc and Sheth. Oz can't win on his own. You're not going to be one of those idiot teams who send out their worse players for "experience"? Getting buttraped isn't the best way to gain experience. See tgun.
Wtf? Are you some sort of expert, or what makes you qualified to lecture on what the best way to gain experience is? I don't get people who think they know Boss' team better than he does, the managers probably put a lot more thought and strategy than "send out qxc/sheth/oz herpderp" (which is what everyone is saying) into their decisions.
If they continue to only send out their weaker players, every match will be an all-kill. The only experience that will be gained is of failure. You don't have to be an expert to figure that out.
On July 01 2011 19:07 LuckyGnom wrote: Todays match is just a joke.. Using tigan, moonan, slog while you have guys like sheth, qxc, oz is just a freewin for ZeNEX.
Dude, they already know that - For now, they're there for the experience only.. At least aknowledge the fact that they, as the only team, have the courage and the commitment to try out Korea for the long haul as a full team.. They'll keep coming back and they'll be stronger each time
Hey at least they went out and tried. FXO have been over there working their arses off, the entire team give 110% every time so give them some credit. Well said they will come back stronger every time. FXO all the way still damn proud you, you all give your best and good on them. BY the way it's TGUN, he is new to tornaments give him a friggin break he works his arse off and learns with every lose believe me he takes a loss harder than any player I've seen. He is harder on himself than anyone else could be, he has also given up alot to go to Korea. Stop dissing the players and give them credit for what they are trying to do. Next week FXO I have faith that you will all come back stronger hold your heads high.
On July 01 2011 19:45 davsp wrote: Sheth and QXC not playing... Lol.
And that game from tgun was just sad, you could really sense he was nervous.
Oh well, keep trying guys.
I definately was nervous, but it wasn't the nerves that got me. I failed to make an overseer as my lair finished, and if I did, I'd be able to send it through to scout and see the 2port banshee. It's very painful to lose this way; I think he either saw replays of me play, or, knowing their team was far ahead, chose to do a risky build (and it paid off).
Either way, the posts in this thread are both uplifting and crushing at the same time; thank you everyone who is giving your support to us: it means a lot, at least, to me.
On July 01 2011 19:47 Lennon wrote: Next time, send out qxc and Sheth. Oz can't win on his own. You're not going to be one of those idiot teams who send out their worse players for "experience"? Getting buttraped isn't the best way to gain experience. See tgun.
Yeah I did see tgun so friggin what you keyboard hero, how about you give them some credit for at least trying. People like you piss me off, you all have some thing to say that's negative never a nice comment or even better how about STFU. Tgun is new and he took that lose hard, give him a break FFS.
On July 01 2011 19:45 davsp wrote: Sheth and QXC not playing... Lol.
And that game from tgun was just sad, you could really sense he was nervous.
Oh well, keep trying guys.
I definately was nervous, but it wasn't the nerves that got me. I failed to make an overseer as my lair finished, and if I did, I'd be able to send it through to scout and see the 2port banshee. It's very painful to lose this way; I think he either saw replays of me play, or, knowing their team was far ahead, chose to do a risky build (and it paid off).
Either way, the posts in this thread are both uplifting and crushing at the same time; thank you everyone who is giving your support to us: it means a lot, at least, to me.
Don't worry about it bro, everyone loses games like that sometimes. To me it felt the whole FXO team is some what nervous on that stage, and you guys are definitely not performing to your full potential, what's important is to learn from the stage experience and comeback stronger.
On July 01 2011 19:45 davsp wrote: Sheth and QXC not playing... Lol.
And that game from tgun was just sad, you could really sense he was nervous.
Oh well, keep trying guys.
I definately was nervous, but it wasn't the nerves that got me. I failed to make an overseer as my lair finished, and if I did, I'd be able to send it through to scout and see the 2port banshee. It's very painful to lose this way; I think he either saw replays of me play, or, knowing their team was far ahead, chose to do a risky build (and it paid off).
Either way, the posts in this thread are both uplifting and crushing at the same time; thank you everyone who is giving your support to us: it means a lot, at least, to me.
On July 01 2011 19:45 davsp wrote: Sheth and QXC not playing... Lol.
And that game from tgun was just sad, you could really sense he was nervous.
Oh well, keep trying guys.
I definately was nervous, but it wasn't the nerves that got me. I failed to make an overseer as my lair finished, and if I did, I'd be able to send it through to scout and see the 2port banshee. It's very painful to lose this way; I think he either saw replays of me play, or, knowing their team was far ahead, chose to do a risky build (and it paid off).
Either way, the posts in this thread are both uplifting and crushing at the same time; thank you everyone who is giving your support to us: it means a lot, at least, to me.
You did well, we've all ended up with that sickly, sinking feeling of one little mistake and you just get into "watching a train wreck" mode. At this level, littles things always matter.
Still, you'll do better next time. And you held the Hellions well, too.
When I saw slog and tgun go out, I understood that they were trying to give new players opportunity to try out on that stage.
And I think that's not a bad idea at all for the team, sure, they didn't do that well, but it's not like they went in with an expectation to 4-0 with some players who never played televised sc2 games.
FXOboss is their manager, he knows more about the team than any of us here. Team FXO is in Korea, on their own budget, to represent themselves, to give their players more opportunity at the highest level of competition. It's not like the whole community pooled their lunch money to send them on a trip to conquer Korea.
They are and they should be doing what's best for the team and for the players, not for the "foreigners" who they hold obligation to at all.
You can choose to either support them or not, but questioning their decision and requiring them to send out the "best" players to feed your "foreigner" ego is extremely stupid.
I personally hope them all the best and keep working hard as they are now. This is once in a life time opportunity, they shouldn't let some random forum troll or a small defeat slow them down.
On July 01 2011 20:41 PrAEcEptOr wrote: FXO embarrasses all non-Koreans. Just sad how fucking bad these wannabe-pros are!
why take time out of your day to post things like this in a thread obviously intended to support them and stuff? maybe your day consists of nothing important... i dunno and i bet youre obviously so much better? how far do you get in GSL?
Back on the horse, FXO. If you're going to give up an all-kill again or something similar, can you please do it to one of the players on my GSTL Fantasy team and not some other guy? Thank you! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
well, lets be real, a 0-4 clearly isnt a good representation for foreigners
these results should be expected. fxo is not a team which will win the gstl, most players are inexperienced in booth matches on "tv" and they will only grow as players from that.
next week they will come back and try again, they even might take a map or two, but people expecting them to do great will get disappointed. just be happy for them to be there and grasp the oppertunity to grow as players and get some experience under their belt.
I actually love how FXO put up slog, tgun and moonan. It just shows they're aiming further than GSTL, that this is just practice. Giving the entire team some experience is awesome, how many teams out there can say that they've had all their members play in the GSL booth?
On July 01 2011 21:00 busbarn wrote: I actually love how FXO put up slog, tgun and moonan. It just shows they're aiming further than GSTL, that this is just practice. Giving the entire team some experience is awesome, how many teams out there can say that they've had all their members play in the GSL booth?
Dissapointing loss this morning, but clearly they were more concerned with giving some other players playtime than winning the match. Hopefully it pays off in the long run.
Hack is obviously a good player, too bad he made himself look like a dillweed at the end with the unprovoked taunting. I totally want to see a rematch and have tgun walk up to his booth after winning and make his koala give him a thumbs down.
On July 01 2011 21:00 busbarn wrote: I actually love how FXO put up slog, tgun and moonan. It just shows they're aiming further than GSTL, that this is just practice. Giving the entire team some experience is awesome, how many teams out there can say that they've had all their members play in the GSL booth?
ignore the haters and better luck next games FXO
I agree with this guy.
Wow that actually makes sense. But i reckon they still should have fielded qxc and sheth. + Show Spoiler +
On July 01 2011 19:47 Lennon wrote: Next time, send out qxc and Sheth. Oz can't win on his own. You're not going to be one of those idiot teams who send out their worse players for "experience"? Getting buttraped isn't the best way to gain experience. See tgun.
Yeah I did see tgun so friggin what you keyboard hero, how about you give them some credit for at least trying. People like you piss me off, you all have some thing to say that's negative never a nice comment or even better how about STFU. Tgun is new and he took that lose hard, give him a break FFS.
You type acronyms in caps lock and call me a keyboard hero. Need I say more?
Why don't you keep this to yourself? This is a encouragement thread, not a "hey-lets-trash-talk-them-so-they-feel-even-worse". These guys are training harder than 90% of the foreigners, give them some credit.
On July 01 2011 21:44 FXOpen wrote: Thanks for the support guys.
Playing against the best teams in the world you were bound to hit a landmine at some point. I'm sure you'll rebound stronger than before, good luck next week!
Why does fxo always recruit subpar and overrated sc2 players. Looking at the lineups, I never expect any of them to win. Not surprised they got all killed last team match. I know many of you guys agree with me, but aren't willing to admit it.
On July 01 2011 21:44 FXOpen wrote: Thanks for the support guys.
I will keep supporting you and am in awe of what you are doing. FXOBoss good on you for giving all your players a chance it can only get better, live, learn and laugh
every team has its moments. But no one in korea is bad at the game. You will find that people in team leagues who are unknown, will shine. Because even code C D E F G are really good. Thats just such a high density of good players in Korea.. Hack played really well, and he did deserve to win. He has shown how zenex has worked to improve their GSTL experience. Unfortunately, FXO doesnt have the same amount of time to prove itself, so we will try to do our best in the time we have.
I asked in the LR but you could obviously not read everything: do you guys have some kind of mental coach? because as much as skill,practice and experience are important, going in the booth with the good state of mind and tips not to shake could be a real plus! I mean MoOnan is far better than what he showed today, and nobody can't blame him to shake a little from the pressure this must be! Since FXO is giving so much to succeed (which explains all the enthusiasm around the team) a mental coach could be a good addition to your house on the day before team matches. don't give up!!
Remember it´s still your first GSTL, and the korean teams has probably lived and practised together alot longer then you have. You will only improve from this experience, don´t give up guys we believe in you FXO fighting!!
Nice try guys! You definitely have the ability to take the rest of your matches, so don't be brought down by your recent two losses. You guys are so inspirational to me and all of the community so please keep fighting for us! FXO FIGHTING.
On July 01 2011 22:34 LeLfe wrote: I asked in the LR but you could obviously not read everything: do you guys have some kind of mental coach? because as much as skill,practice and experience are important, going in the booth with the good state of mind and tips not to shake could be a real plus! I mean MoOnan is far better than what he showed today, and nobody can't blame him to shake a little from the pressure this must be! Since FXO is giving so much to succeed (which explains all the enthusiasm around the team) a mental coach could be a good addition to your house on the day before team matches. don't give up!!
FXO fighting!
We are trying to deal with the mental stuff together as a unit. Unfortunately, there isnt budget to add another member of staff to the trip. However, I personally wish I did have some sort of mental coach here. It is effecting players, which is why sheth will not be returning to code A next season. Things are more difficult then they seem. Its not because of Korea. Its just because things are not 'home'.
The unfortunate thing is people deal with mental stuff differently. I used to hate cameras, but now I am relatively comfortable with them. But I can see and know that it is very difficult to have a camera in their face.
There can also be some lifestyle issues that are part of the problem, but unfortunately things like that are almost impossible to fix from the otherside of the world . I think you will see a fresher brighter team against ns.hoseo.
Don't worry FXO. Part of learning and improving is losing, each loss is something to learn from, each GSTL match is new practice partners to meet. Reasonable people know that you're in a journey and that journey will include some days like this one. Don't be discouraged, keep fighting and training and you'll end up being stronger than ever !
When this argument comes up that unexperienced players should play for future events, it's never mentioned that there also could be negative effect. If you send out players who are not really that stable with their play it could happen that such devastating loses like today demotivates them. I think it would be better if they get more experience with korean players on ladder and custom games. But every person is different so it isn't sure which is the best way to do it. I can understand why fxo didn't send out Qxc and Sheth. I don't think Qxc is much better than Mooman if at all and Sheth already lost a game that day but I think he would have done better than most players today.
On July 01 2011 22:34 LeLfe wrote: I asked in the LR but you could obviously not read everything: do you guys have some kind of mental coach? because as much as skill,practice and experience are important, going in the booth with the good state of mind and tips not to shake could be a real plus! I mean MoOnan is far better than what he showed today, and nobody can't blame him to shake a little from the pressure this must be! Since FXO is giving so much to succeed (which explains all the enthusiasm around the team) a mental coach could be a good addition to your house on the day before team matches. don't give up!!
FXO fighting!
We are trying to deal with the mental stuff together as a unit. Unfortunately, there isnt budget to add another member of staff to the trip. However, I personally wish I did have some sort of mental coach here. It is effecting players, which is why sheth will not be returning to code A next season. Things are more difficult then they seem. Its not because of Korea. Its just because things are not 'home'.
The unfortunate thing is people deal with mental stuff differently. I used to hate cameras, but now I am relatively comfortable with them. But I can see and know that it is very difficult to have a camera in their face.
There can also be some lifestyle issues that are part of the problem, but unfortunately things like that are almost impossible to fix from the otherside of the world . I think you will see a fresher brighter team against ns.hoseo.
Thanks for the question and support!
It's very visible that for some people playing in a booth in korea with a camera in their face is very nerve wrecking. I've seen how some of your players were shaking slightly when they sat in their booth and waited for the game. It's very hard to deal with it and anyone in this thread who bashes your team for not bringing the A-game should try it before saying anything bad.
IIRC most of FXO don't have (a lot) LAN experience. I can only think of QXC who has been to some LANs, so it's a good decision of you to let the less LAN-experienced players play a few games, even if it means risking an all-kill. It would be a waste for the players to be in korea and _not_ sit in the booth at least once, even if it's just for the experience. Your team will be far stronger in NA/EU LAN tournaments after this.
You are doing a great job in korea, keep it up and don't think too much about the losses. (Almost) all the foreigners are behind you.
On July 01 2011 20:20 tgun wrote: I definately was nervous, but it wasn't the nerves that got me. I failed to make an overseer as my lair finished, and if I did, I'd be able to send it through to scout and see the 2port banshee. It's very painful to lose this way; I think he either saw replays of me play, or, knowing their team was far ahead, chose to do a risky build (and it paid off).
Either way, the posts in this thread are both uplifting and crushing at the same time; thank you everyone who is giving your support to us: it means a lot, at least, to me.
I wasnt really a fan of you before today - because I didnt follow you / your play. But today it changed. The important part was how you looked like after the defeat. MarineKing style - head on table (crying?).
Did I expect FXO to win the GSTL? No. Did I expect FXO to fight for every win - even against the worst Korean teams? Yes.
Words before matches can be deceiving ("We expect to win 4-1" if someone says something different, even if he believes he will lose, he will become the laughing stock of the community). But your reaction to the loss showed that you care (or you should get into acting asap! ). You didnt seem to have the attitude "I'm a foreigner, I'm inferior, I'm going to lose anyway - who cares?". Maybe it's just me - I'm a fan of MKP who also gets emotional. But because of that moment I hope you will succeed
To the people saying FXO should be ashamed: I hate to bring this into the discussion, but Boxer is not the best SC2 player. But he is competing and is doing his best. And he cares. Does anyone dare to say that Boxer should be ashamed / is an embaressment to the Korean community? (Apart from that one reporter *cough*)
FXO - even if you lose every game 0-4 (which you cannot do anymore^^) - you can gain many fans, if your attitude stays the same. Do your best and people will notice & respect that.
I think slog and tgun were unlucky in their games, both could have easily countered/avoided death but they unfortunately didn't make the right choices at the instant it really mattered. Moonan to be frank played poorly, I really hope he can be more comfortable with live play in the future. I didn't see Oz play as I went to eat so I can't comment on that game.
I feel that with a bit of luck it could have been a very different score tonight, slog and tgun didn't really seem like they were outclassed or anything.
Besides you're not the only team that got all killed tonight anyway, it happens to koreans too , and now that you have scored the absolute lowest possible maybe you will feel the pressure come off in the next few games. Good luck FXO I will still be supporting you in the future.
Hack is obviously a good player, too bad he made himself look like a dillweed at the end with the unprovoked taunting. I totally want to see a rematch and have tgun walk up to his booth after winning and make his koala give him a thumbs down.
It is team league. There is supposed to be BM and taunting. Just because it is someones first televised match doesn't mean they should get any sympathy or special treatment from the other team, in game or after.
Just would like to say I have massive respect for FXO. It's not easy to drop everything to travel to a foreign country when there is all this pressure from people. The opportunity to improve is here and the passion and enthusiasm that the FXO players have seems to be genuine. Hope you guys don't take today's match too much to heart. FXO <3
On July 01 2011 22:34 LeLfe wrote: I asked in the LR but you could obviously not read everything: do you guys have some kind of mental coach? because as much as skill,practice and experience are important, going in the booth with the good state of mind and tips not to shake could be a real plus! I mean MoOnan is far better than what he showed today, and nobody can't blame him to shake a little from the pressure this must be! Since FXO is giving so much to succeed (which explains all the enthusiasm around the team) a mental coach could be a good addition to your house on the day before team matches. don't give up!!
FXO fighting!
We are trying to deal with the mental stuff together as a unit. Unfortunately, there isnt budget to add another member of staff to the trip. However, I personally wish I did have some sort of mental coach here. It is effecting players, which is why sheth will not be returning to code A next season. Things are more difficult then they seem. Its not because of Korea. Its just because things are not 'home'.
The unfortunate thing is people deal with mental stuff differently. I used to hate cameras, but now I am relatively comfortable with them. But I can see and know that it is very difficult to have a camera in their face.
There can also be some lifestyle issues that are part of the problem, but unfortunately things like that are almost impossible to fix from the otherside of the world . I think you will see a fresher brighter team against ns.hoseo.
Thanks for the question and support!
Always providing clear answers, thank you BoSs
I'd say it's a bit early for Sheth to say no to the next code A, seriously he beat San just after arriving, he got what it takes, puzzle is just a monster!
Anyway I guess that getting acculturated will also help players to feel better and havind Oz will also make it easier
On July 01 2011 20:20 tgun wrote: I definately was nervous, but it wasn't the nerves that got me. I failed to make an overseer as my lair finished, and if I did, I'd be able to send it through to scout and see the 2port banshee. It's very painful to lose this way; I think he either saw replays of me play, or, knowing their team was far ahead, chose to do a risky build (and it paid off).
Either way, the posts in this thread are both uplifting and crushing at the same time; thank you everyone who is giving your support to us: it means a lot, at least, to me.
I wasnt really a fan of you before today - because I didnt follow you / your play. But today it changed. The important part was how you looked like after the defeat. MarineKing style - head on table (crying?).
Did I expect FXO to win the GSTL? No. Did I expect FXO to fight for every win - even against the worst Korean teams? Yes.
Words before matches can be deceiving ("We expect to win 4-1" if someone says something different, even if he believes he will lose, he will become the laughing stock of the community). But your reaction to the loss showed that you care (or you should get into acting asap! ). You didnt seem to have the attitude "I'm a foreigner, I'm inferior, I'm going to lose anyway - who cares?". Maybe it's just me - I'm a fan of MKP who also gets emotional. But because of that moment I hope you will succeed
To the people saying FXO should be ashamed: I hate to bring this into the discussion, but Boxer is not the best SC2 player. But he is competing and is doing his best. And he cares. Does anyone dare to say that Boxer should be ashamed / is an embaressment to the Korean community? (Apart from that one reporter *cough*)
FXO - even if you lose every game 0-4 (which you cannot do anymore^^) - you can gain many fans, if your attitude stays the same. Do your best and people will notice & respect that.
Thanks man, I was really dissapointed after I lost; especially since it was to something so small. I couldn't get a slow overlord in, but if I just made an overseer, it would've been different. Or if I opened with 4 queens + a spore at each base. Eugh.
Although, I can't say it wasn't a great experience: I learned a lot from the game, and from being in the booth. It's scary as hell.
EDIT::
On July 01 2011 22:34 LeLfe wrote: Always providing clear answers, thank you BoSs
I'd say it's a bit early for Sheth to say no to the next code A, seriously he beat San just after arriving, he got what it takes, puzzle is just a monster!
Anyway I guess that getting acculturated will also help players to feel better and havind Oz will also make it easier
best of luck to the FXO team
It's less getting accultered and more such a change: I've had to leave my girlfriend behind in Australia while out here, as have others. It's extremely difficult; it's also the first time I've lived away from home. I am living with my team, who are extremely supportive, but it's still a giant change.
On July 01 2011 19:45 davsp wrote: Sheth and QXC not playing... Lol.
And that game from tgun was just sad, you could really sense he was nervous.
Oh well, keep trying guys.
I definately was nervous, but it wasn't the nerves that got me. I failed to make an overseer as my lair finished, and if I did, I'd be able to send it through to scout and see the 2port banshee. It's very painful to lose this way; I think he either saw replays of me play, or, knowing their team was far ahead, chose to do a risky build (and it paid off).
Either way, the posts in this thread are both uplifting and crushing at the same time; thank you everyone who is giving your support to us: it means a lot, at least, to me.
Don't let the vocal minority cause you to doubt yourself. You have thousands of fans backing you and hoping that you succeed, not because you're white or an FXO member, but because you're a symbol for a growing community that crosses physical boundaries. The community supports you and wishes you success.
FXO: As far the mental side, please be patient and understand that you're still adapting to a different environment and to being in one place together. Keep working and you'll adjust.
Maybe the FXO players aren't the best foreigners, but I reckon they (or at least some of them) might be that very soon. The training they get in Korea will improve them immensely, just look at HuK. Naniwa also travels to Korea with that mindset, improving comes first, results second.
As long as they put up a fight, work hard and show they care, the foreign community cant ask anymore of them.
Thanks man, I was really dissapointed after I lost; especially since it was to something so small. I couldn't get a slow overlord in, but if I just made an overseer, it would've been different. Or if I opened with 4 queens + a spore at each base. Eugh.
Although, I can't say it wasn't a great experience: I learned a lot from the game, and from being in the booth. It's scary as hell.
As painful as it might have been just keep on fighting! As difficult as it might be just forget about what you could have done different and prepare for your next match. The next time in the booth maybe its not as scary anymore. And you got fans behind you who support you! So whatever the results were, we belive!
On July 02 2011 00:22 TI78 wrote: All-Killed by some unknown code C kid. Nice.
Because you could obviously do a better job in the booth.
I couldn't care less FXO got all killed, they go there put the effort in and try to make a point, they go there to learn and have an experience and if we're to ever truly connect this Foreigner - Korean "gap" some people have to set the standard and FXO are doing that.
On July 02 2011 00:22 TI78 wrote: All-Killed by some unknown code C kid. Nice.
I have an idea.
You know how the strategy forums have standards for strategies that are too theorycrafty, wherein the player gets to play Saracen in a Bo3, and if they can't beat him, they will be banned?
I'm thinking something similar should be adopted for this thread.
On July 02 2011 00:24 Casablancas wrote: First post by some unknown 11 years old kid. Nice.
I'm not 11.
Because you could obviously do a better job in the booth.
I have an idea.
You know how the strategy forums have standards for strategies that are too theorycrafty, wherein the player gets to play Saracen in a Bo3, and if they can't beat him, they will be banned?
I'm thinking something similar should be adopted for this thread.
I never said I could do better. Are you guys saying I can only point that someone is bad if I'm better than him ? Nice.
You know how the strategy forums have standards for strategies that are too theorycrafty, wherein the player gets to play Saracen in a Bo3, and if they can't beat him, they will be banned?
I'm thinking something similar should be adopted for this thread.
I never said I could do better. Are you guys saying I can only point that someone is bad if I'm better than him ? Nice.
Well, no. That would be silly.
However, chances are, FXO is more familiar with the pro-scene than you are. So calling someone 'bad' with your limited information is rather unsubstantiated, in addition to the fact that there is certainly a minimum competence required to actually figure out why someone is good or bad short of 'welp they lost so they suck.'
It's not that you're insulting human beings who have made a concerted effort and sacrificed much to improve themselves. That you're incapable of empathizing with the humans behind the ID - no different from you, I, or anyone you've cared about - is irrelevant.
The point is that you're attempting to judge with as little information as it is likely you have, resulting in an understanding so simple it can be expressed an acrid one-liner. As the strategy forums justly have stringent standards, so should the understanding of the proscene.
On July 02 2011 00:22 TI78 wrote: All-Killed by some unknown code C kid. Nice.
How come almost every time I see someone with under 100 posts, they're posting shit like this? Did you sign up to TL just to troll FXO? Go fuck yourself.
On July 02 2011 00:31 TI78 wrote: I never said I could do better. Are you guys saying I can only point that someone is bad if I'm better than him ? Nice.
dw about those people. They have the standard TL mentality: "You're only allowed to say positive things".
They can't take any criticism, even if a team goes 0 - 4 against one player you must say they did their best and will do better next time.
I wonder though, does the "loser picks map" counts for the entire series?
On July 01 2011 22:34 LeLfe wrote: I asked in the LR but you could obviously not read everything: do you guys have some kind of mental coach? because as much as skill,practice and experience are important, going in the booth with the good state of mind and tips not to shake could be a real plus! I mean MoOnan is far better than what he showed today, and nobody can't blame him to shake a little from the pressure this must be! Since FXO is giving so much to succeed (which explains all the enthusiasm around the team) a mental coach could be a good addition to your house on the day before team matches. don't give up!!
FXO fighting!
We are trying to deal with the mental stuff together as a unit. Unfortunately, there isnt budget to add another member of staff to the trip. However, I personally wish I did have some sort of mental coach here. It is effecting players, which is why sheth will not be returning to code A next season. Things are more difficult then they seem. Its not because of Korea. Its just because things are not 'home'.
The unfortunate thing is people deal with mental stuff differently. I used to hate cameras, but now I am relatively comfortable with them. But I can see and know that it is very difficult to have a camera in their face.
There can also be some lifestyle issues that are part of the problem, but unfortunately things like that are almost impossible to fix from the otherside of the world . I think you will see a fresher brighter team against ns.hoseo.
It took the TL guys several months before they could put up any results in the GSL, it takes time to adjust to the korean scene and they've only been there for a couple of weeks?
Playing against the best in Korea will definitely improve your skill, but it takes time, I'm sure that this defeat only motivates them to practice harder and in time I'm sure they'll show results just like Jinro and Huk.
On July 02 2011 00:22 TI78 wrote: All-Killed by some unknown code C kid. Nice.
First post by some unknown 11 years old kid. Nice.
And oh yeah, there are no good players who cant qualify for Code A.
You know, we don't talk about the your physical age... Before you insult any of the FXO players, do your research homework, Hack was playing since Beta on Werra team, last week got 2nd on FXOpen and many Code B players is as strong as Code S, so, don't talk things like that if don't even know enough about the korean scene.
On July 02 2011 00:22 TI78 wrote: All-Killed by some unknown code C kid. Nice.
How come almost every time I see someone with under 100 posts, they're posting shit like this? Did you sign up to TL just to troll FXO? Go fuck yourself.
Strewth! Then there's some 12 post hero backing him up Wish FXO didn't have to read that crap. Not that they need to be babied or protected from e-bullies but man, people signing up to TL just to troll them? Ugh.
Best of luck guys. I hope you can push through the mental aspect of this. Homesickness and similar things are just so tough and really unavoidable. Interesting about the mental coaching aspect. Irrelevant analogy but our national rugby team was the butt of a lot of jokes for having a mental coach (and then proceeding to bomb out of the world cup like noobs despite being hot favourites to win the thing). Apparently the bloke is a genius though. Not really something i know a lot about but i hope you can stay motivated and keep improving.
I loved (for lack of a better word) Tgun's emotion too. Watching you guys playing in GSL/GSTL right now is hands down the one thing i try hardest not to miss.
Everybody wanted to get their shot at the booth, and who honestly can blame them. This is why they came to Korea.
However, when you go down 2 games to 0. You stop catoring to the wishes of the players and you try to win, bringing out the stronger players. This isnt just about the team, but also about putting on a good show, for the fans, and for the people that paid money to bring you guys over.
The only time you put weaker players in is if you have a nice lead, or at the beginning of the matches. And you still consider who is good against what, the map and why they are going in there. The objective is to win, not to get experience.
Im sorry to say, but zenex is laughing at you guys. Make some better decisions next time.
On July 02 2011 01:32 WizShaw wrote: Nervousness had nothing to do with the picks.
Everybody wanted to get their shot at the booth, and who honestly can blame them. This is why they came to Korea.
However, when you go down 2 games to 0. You stop catoring to the wishes of the players and you try to win, bringing out the stronger players. This isnt just about the team, but also about putting on a good show, for the fans, and for the people that paid money to bring you guys over.
The only time you put weaker players in is if you have a nice lead, or at the beginning of the matches. And you still consider who is good against what, the map and why they are going in there. The objective is to win, not to get experience.
Im sorry to say, but zenex is laughing at you guys. Make some better decisions next time.
You should reread this, and then consider that we have each player over here always preparing for something specific. Sometimes things don't go to plan; that's life. It sucks, but it happens.
On July 02 2011 01:32 WizShaw wrote: Nervousness had nothing to do with the picks.
Everybody wanted to get their shot at the booth, and who honestly can blame them. This is why they came to Korea.
However, when you go down 2 games to 0. You stop catoring to the wishes of the players and you try to win, bringing out the stronger players. This isnt just about the team, but also about putting on a good show, for the fans, and for the people that paid money to bring you guys over.
The only time you put weaker players in is if you have a nice lead, or at the beginning of the matches. And you still consider who is good against what, the map and why they are going in there. The objective is to win, not to get experience.
Im sorry to say, but zenex is laughing at you guys. Make some better decisions next time.
You should reread this, and then consider that we have each player over here always preparing for something specific. Sometimes things don't go to plan; that's life. It sucks, but it happens.
Reread what exactly. Moonan was a decent choice. Everybody else hasnt played a game. Oz didnt play, QXC didnt play and sheth didnt play.
That was a tough loss, but I'm sure nerves played a part in the games. Hopefully you'll be able to get past those issues soon. FXO has some great players, who can definitely put up some wins.
Oh- and don't forget to enjoy this amazing opportunity you have.
I'm rooting for you guys! Good luck in your future matches!
On July 02 2011 01:32 WizShaw wrote: Nervousness had nothing to do with the picks.
Everybody wanted to get their shot at the booth, and who honestly can blame them. This is why they came to Korea.
However, when you go down 2 games to 0. You stop catoring to the wishes of the players and you try to win, bringing out the stronger players. This isnt just about the team, but also about putting on a good show, for the fans, and for the people that paid money to bring you guys over.
The only time you put weaker players in is if you have a nice lead, or at the beginning of the matches. And you still consider who is good against what, the map and why they are going in there. The objective is to win, not to get experience.
Im sorry to say, but zenex is laughing at you guys. Make some better decisions next time.
You should reread this, and then consider that we have each player over here always preparing for something specific. Sometimes things don't go to plan; that's life. It sucks, but it happens.
Reread what exactly. Moonan was a decent choice. Everybody else hasnt played a game. Oz didnt play, QXC didnt play and sheth didnt play.
You re-read it.
And what makes you so sure that the players they played weren't the ones preparing specifically for the match-up and map they were sent out on?
It was a tough loss, but I don't think FXO needs to post results for Korea to be a success. They are obviously playing from a strong disadvantage. When a competitor enters into a new environment for competition, i.e. a rookie, they are almost certainly never going to perform as well as their potential.
But if they are able to grow as individual players and as a team (even if they are completely blown out as a team), I think they will be much stronger in future events!
Less known players are usually only used in 1 match up, and usually saved for sniping opponent's strong players. You use the strong players to finish off the series, you don't use weak players when you have a comfortable lead in order to "get experience," that comes from practice.
On July 02 2011 01:32 WizShaw wrote: Nervousness had nothing to do with the picks.
Everybody wanted to get their shot at the booth, and who honestly can blame them. This is why they came to Korea.
However, when you go down 2 games to 0. You stop catoring to the wishes of the players and you try to win, bringing out the stronger players. This isnt just about the team, but also about putting on a good show, for the fans, and for the people that paid money to bring you guys over.
The only time you put weaker players in is if you have a nice lead, or at the beginning of the matches. And you still consider who is good against what, the map and why they are going in there. The objective is to win, not to get experience.
Im sorry to say, but zenex is laughing at you guys. Make some better decisions next time.
You should reread this, and then consider that we have each player over here always preparing for something specific. Sometimes things don't go to plan; that's life. It sucks, but it happens.
Reread what exactly. Moonan was a decent choice. Everybody else hasnt played a game. Oz didnt play, QXC didnt play and sheth didnt play.
real shame that Sheth isnt going back to Code A, i think it would really help his mind set, but... I'm not sheth nor do i know how he thinks and know for certain what would be best for him. I hope he stays.
If you're not Korean though, I can totally understand it. It's a big time commitment for a small prize pool. If you can't get into Code S, might as well practice in other tournaments, make more money, and maybe come back when you are good enough for Code S.
He's still going to play in the GSTL, right? Please say yes! Sheth HWAITING!
I hope Sheth stays because Code A is so difficult to get its not funny. Should leave only if lose in R32 cause going through qualifiers is like climbing Everest. Even w the easier top 3 MLG route, that's going to be INCREDIBLY TOUGH to obtain.
As someone said earlier, Team Liquid stayed in Korea for several months b4 posting results. Jinro did not even qualify for several GSL open seasons (that's a few months) before he started ripping it up. There are always ups and downs, and now he's down but there will also be an up and hopefully the ups are more overall than the downs. Huk did not post any major results for quite awhile until his recent European championships. Just keep at it. I hope you guys can stay for at least 3 seasons cause I think thats when the learning curve is no longer exponential (just my opinion).
Posting results for FXO is just a bonus, they are going to get creamed for awhile but so long as they can persevere and maintain their mental strength, they will grow exponentially compared to practicing outside of Korea. The opportunity to practice on the Korean ladder and on live tv in the GSTL is INVALUABLE as an aspiring pro-gamer. Being a pro-gamer is not all sunshine and relaxing, grinding out 2 million games is not fun, but it will make a lot of things 2nd nature and instinctive. Being good at something involves hard work, a LOT of it.
Losing will always bring its fair share of jeers and insults but it is important to ignore it and just believe in yourself. Winning will just be that much sweeter and look forward to your first win. It doesn't matter how many times you fail, its always about getting back up one more time than you fall.
"If you do not believe in yourself, nobody else will." - Kobe Bryant.
A lot would love the chance to try being among the best at something they love, and if playing computer games for a living isn't fun I don't know what it. Keep it up FXO, always think positive, plan to win and stay focused on execution. There is nothing to regret once you've given your all.
I think sheth is leaving code a because he's homesick. Remember reading an interview with him saying it's hard living with 10 people in the house because he's used to living alone.
On July 02 2011 03:43 Canucklehead wrote: I think sheth is leaving code a because he's homesick. Remember reading an interview with him saying it's hard living with 10 people in the house because he's used to living alone.
Its not so much homesick. Its just personal reasons. Not everyone is made for the team house style of life.
if you expected FXO to do well in korea, then you're in a surprise. It takes awhile to get accustomed to the korean strats, give em time. they can do well!
On July 02 2011 04:10 fourColo wrote: Find him a Korean girlfriend asap.
Korean girls have high standards. They like to stick with their long-hair, pretty Korean guys or the foreign equivalent ;P
This is coming from someone living in a Korean community with Korean friends ):
And to make matters worse, sheth is a nice guy... and we all know what that means
Anyways, it's really sad that Sheth doesn't attempt to join in next season, he is one of few foreigners who i consider talented enough to make it to Code S if he gets more Tournament and LAN experience.
On July 02 2011 03:43 Canucklehead wrote: I think sheth is leaving code a because he's homesick. Remember reading an interview with him saying it's hard living with 10 people in the house because he's used to living alone.
Its not so much homesick. Its just personal reasons. Not everyone is made for the team house style of life.
Yeah I think sheth is like TLO. TLO left because he didn't like living with like 10+ dudes due to lack of privacy and that's why his team house in sweden only has a few people living in it. I assume sheth feels the same way.
On July 02 2011 01:32 WizShaw wrote: Nervousness had nothing to do with the picks.
Everybody wanted to get their shot at the booth, and who honestly can blame them. This is why they came to Korea.
However, when you go down 2 games to 0. You stop catoring to the wishes of the players and you try to win, bringing out the stronger players. This isnt just about the team, but also about putting on a good show, for the fans, and for the people that paid money to bring you guys over.
The only time you put weaker players in is if you have a nice lead, or at the beginning of the matches. And you still consider who is good against what, the map and why they are going in there. The objective is to win, not to get experience.
Im sorry to say, but zenex is laughing at you guys. Make some better decisions next time.
You should reread this, and then consider that we have each player over here always preparing for something specific. Sometimes things don't go to plan; that's life. It sucks, but it happens.
Reread what exactly. Moonan was a decent choice. Everybody else hasnt played a game. Oz didnt play, QXC didnt play and sheth didnt play.
You re-read it.
And what makes you so sure that the players they played weren't the ones preparing specifically for the match-up and map they were sent out on?
Because they lost?
EDIT: And what is this talk about Sheth leaving? I scanned the last few pages and didn't see any official confirmation. Only that Sheth isn't playing Code A, not that he's leaving Korea. Is there a source somewhere that he is?
I guess in the gungho, rar-rar I was doing earlier, I forgot that not everyone is quite like me. I enjoy traveling and but for some odd reasons, probably would have spent a lot of time outside of the States. Not every progamer is built the same.
I guess for every Huk, there's a TLO, Haypro or Ret that liked it, but really would rather be home. And since most of the guys are in the 18-22 age bracket, it's possibly the first time they've been away for that extended for a time.
On July 02 2011 01:32 WizShaw wrote: Nervousness had nothing to do with the picks.
Everybody wanted to get their shot at the booth, and who honestly can blame them. This is why they came to Korea.
However, when you go down 2 games to 0. You stop catoring to the wishes of the players and you try to win, bringing out the stronger players. This isnt just about the team, but also about putting on a good show, for the fans, and for the people that paid money to bring you guys over.
The only time you put weaker players in is if you have a nice lead, or at the beginning of the matches. And you still consider who is good against what, the map and why they are going in there. The objective is to win, not to get experience.
Im sorry to say, but zenex is laughing at you guys. Make some better decisions next time.
You should reread this, and then consider that we have each player over here always preparing for something specific. Sometimes things don't go to plan; that's life. It sucks, but it happens.
Reread what exactly. Moonan was a decent choice. Everybody else hasnt played a game. Oz didnt play, QXC didnt play and sheth didnt play.
You re-read it.
And what makes you so sure that the players they played weren't the ones preparing specifically for the match-up and map they were sent out on?
Because they lost?
EDIT: And what is this talk about Sheth leaving? I scanned the last few pages and didn't see any official confirmation. Only that Sheth isn't playing Code A, not that he's leaving Korea. Is there a source somewhere that he is?
No one said sheth is leaving now. Just that he'll be leaving after gstl and won't be competing in code a August.
On July 02 2011 01:32 WizShaw wrote: Nervousness had nothing to do with the picks.
Everybody wanted to get their shot at the booth, and who honestly can blame them. This is why they came to Korea.
However, when you go down 2 games to 0. You stop catoring to the wishes of the players and you try to win, bringing out the stronger players. This isnt just about the team, but also about putting on a good show, for the fans, and for the people that paid money to bring you guys over.
The only time you put weaker players in is if you have a nice lead, or at the beginning of the matches. And you still consider who is good against what, the map and why they are going in there. The objective is to win, not to get experience.
Im sorry to say, but zenex is laughing at you guys. Make some better decisions next time.
You should reread this, and then consider that we have each player over here always preparing for something specific. Sometimes things don't go to plan; that's life. It sucks, but it happens.
Reread what exactly. Moonan was a decent choice. Everybody else hasnt played a game. Oz didnt play, QXC didnt play and sheth didnt play.
You re-read it.
And what makes you so sure that the players they played weren't the ones preparing specifically for the match-up and map they were sent out on?
Because they lost?
EDIT: And what is this talk about Sheth leaving? I scanned the last few pages and didn't see any official confirmation. Only that Sheth isn't playing Code A, not that he's leaving Korea. Is there a source somewhere that he is?
Exactly.. because if they lost it obviously means they didn't try at all and put no thought into it and had no preparation....I mean this is the first time anyone has gotten an all kill and it must be because FXO didn't prepare at all...........
On July 02 2011 01:32 WizShaw wrote: Nervousness had nothing to do with the picks.
Everybody wanted to get their shot at the booth, and who honestly can blame them. This is why they came to Korea.
However, when you go down 2 games to 0. You stop catoring to the wishes of the players and you try to win, bringing out the stronger players. This isnt just about the team, but also about putting on a good show, for the fans, and for the people that paid money to bring you guys over.
The only time you put weaker players in is if you have a nice lead, or at the beginning of the matches. And you still consider who is good against what, the map and why they are going in there. The objective is to win, not to get experience.
Im sorry to say, but zenex is laughing at you guys. Make some better decisions next time.
You should reread this, and then consider that we have each player over here always preparing for something specific. Sometimes things don't go to plan; that's life. It sucks, but it happens.
Reread what exactly. Moonan was a decent choice. Everybody else hasnt played a game. Oz didnt play, QXC didnt play and sheth didnt play.
You re-read it.
And what makes you so sure that the players they played weren't the ones preparing specifically for the match-up and map they were sent out on?
Because they lost?
EDIT: And what is this talk about Sheth leaving? I scanned the last few pages and didn't see any official confirmation. Only that Sheth isn't playing Code A, not that he's leaving Korea. Is there a source somewhere that he is?
Exactly.. because if they lost it obviously means they didn't try at all and put no thought into it and had no preparation....I mean this is the first time anyone has gotten an all kill and it must be because FXO didn't prepare at all...........
Yeah, there was never an "unknown" all-killing another team... oh, wait, there was. + Show Spoiler +
It happens to every team and there is no shame in getting all-killed, no matter who the opponent was. Also, most teams (including i think FXO) prepare mostly for the strongest opposing players as you cannot prepare 100% for all possible opponents on all maps. It might have actually looked better for FXO if Zenex had sent in Byun, Kyrix or CoCa.
On July 02 2011 10:36 Sacraloth wrote: its sad how much hope u guys put on a team like fxo against top korean teams
I wanted to believe in them but this is disheartening. I'd MUCH rather see them try their best even if they failed to perform well, than see them just give up like this. I'd love to play in Korea for an extended period of time, even if I never won a single game. Why couldn't I have had Sheth's spot.
C'mon, you guys had to know this wasn't going to be a cakewalk coming into it. Changing your entire lifestyle and moving to an entirely new continent with entirely different surroundings wasn't going to be easy. Times like this are where you guys find out what kind of competitors you are, what kind of drive you really have to improve as players. Times like right now are going to be times that you look back on as when you all came together as a team, and overcame (one of if not) the biggest obstacle of your lives. Times that you'll remember that if you can overcome this, a video game will just be a piece of cake
I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners" There are so many examples of foreigners going to Korean, immediately trying to qualify for the gsl, and failing. But if we look at foreigners that live in Korean, and adopt the Korean practice regiment ei; Idra, Jinro, Huk, we see them having great success after their first few months.
The proof is in the pudding; Koreans' style of long, disciplined practice in a team house environment IS superior to most foreigners' style of loose, fragmented practice. "Superior" meaning it makes their play better and gives them better tourney results. Is it a superior lifestyle? Well, that's a matter of opinion, and a topic for a different thread. =)
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners"
"Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no?
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners"
"Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no?
No, because as I pointed out in my post (which you erased...) foreigners can measure up with Koreans with Korean practice. ei. Huk > a lot of Koreans
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners"
"Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no?
As long as only koreans use the koran practice model, maybe. But "foreigners with korean practice" > "koreans with foreigners practice".
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners" There are so many examples of foreigners going to Korean, immediately trying to qualify for the gsl, and failing. But if we look at foreigners that live in Korean, and adopt the Korean practice regiment ei; Idra, Jinro, Huk, we see them having great success after their first few months.
The proof is in the pudding; Koreans' style of long, disciplined practice in a team house environment IS superior to most foreigners' style of loose, fragmented practice. "Superior" meaning it makes their play better and gives them better tourney results. Is it a superior lifestyle? Well, that's a matter of opinion, and a topic for a different thread. =)
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners"
"Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no?
No, because as I pointed out in my post (which you erased...) foreigners can measure up with Koreans with Korean practice. ei. Huk > a lot of Koreans
you do know that it's harder for foreigners to adopt korean practice than koreans right?
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners"
"Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no?
No, because as I pointed out in my post (which you erased...) foreigners can measure up with Koreans with Korean practice. ei. Huk > a lot of Koreans
you do know that it's harder for foreigners to adopt korean practice than koreans right?
No it isn't harder, they just don't want to take so much time playing it, aka moving from their houses to a pro gamer house. They would spent even less money if they lived on a progamer house.
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners"
"Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no?
No, because as I pointed out in my post (which you erased...) foreigners can measure up with Koreans with Korean practice. ei. Huk > a lot of Koreans
you do know that it's harder for foreigners to adopt korean practice than koreans right?
No it isn't harder, they just don't want to take so much time playing it, aka moving from their houses to a pro gamer house. They would spent even less money if they lived on a progamer house.
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
They can't do anything but improve by going to korea. I don't think sponsors are gonna have a cow if they don't win immediately arriving in korea. What's more important is that next time you are in the market for a product or service that sponsors FXO you at least consider what they have to offer. That mystique is in your head really. If you are that turned off from people cause they aren't winning every match then it's all on you.
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners"
"Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no?
No, because as I pointed out in my post (which you erased...) foreigners can measure up with Koreans with Korean practice. ei. Huk > a lot of Koreans
you do know that it's harder for foreigners to adopt korean practice than koreans right?
Of course it is, it's a huge cultural shock moving from a familiar environment to such a foreign one. But... what does that have to do with my original point of Korean practice > Foreigner practice? Oh I see, your trying to divert the conversation from your blunder in your previous post, in order to preserve your pride in your intelligence. Dude, don't worry, this is the internet, no one cares about these silly internet debates/arguments anyway, you don't have to constantly try to one-up me with lame red herrings. xD
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners"
"Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no?
No, because as I pointed out in my post (which you erased...) foreigners can measure up with Koreans with Korean practice. ei. Huk > a lot of Koreans
you do know that it's harder for foreigners to adopt korean practice than koreans right?
Of course it is, it's a huge cultural shock moving from a familiar environment to such a foreign one. But... what does that have to do with my original point of Korean practice > Foreigner practice? Oh I see, your trying to divert the conversation from your blunder in your previous post, in order to preserve your pride in your intelligence. Dude, don't worry, this is the internet, no one cares about these silly internet debates/arguments anyway, you don't have to constantly try to one-up me with lame red herrings. xD
i misunderstood your point. foreigners with a korean practice regimen are equal to koreans with the same practice regimen. my point was just that it's way harder for foreigners to obtain that practice regimen, which will cause the korean > foreigner stuff.
also, no need to be a douchebag. douchebags are bad.
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners"
"Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no?
No, because as I pointed out in my post (which you erased...) foreigners can measure up with Koreans with Korean practice. ei. Huk > a lot of Koreans
you do know that it's harder for foreigners to adopt korean practice than koreans right?
Of course it is, it's a huge cultural shock moving from a familiar environment to such a foreign one. But... what does that have to do with my original point of Korean practice > Foreigner practice? Oh I see, your trying to divert the conversation from your blunder in your previous post, in order to preserve your pride in your intelligence. Dude, don't worry, this is the internet, no one cares about these silly internet debates/arguments anyway, you don't have to constantly try to one-up me with lame red herrings. xD
i misunderstood your point. foreigners with a korean practice regimen are equal to koreans with the same practice regimen. my point was just that it's way harder for foreigners to obtain that practice regimen, which will cause the korean > foreigner stuff.
also, no need to be a douchebag. douchebags are bad.
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners"
"Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no?
No, because as I pointed out in my post (which you erased...) foreigners can measure up with Koreans with Korean practice. ei. Huk > a lot of Koreans
you do know that it's harder for foreigners to adopt korean practice than koreans right?
No it isn't. There is no reason why korean people (or japanese or chinese or any other nationality) are more disciplined than white dudes.
On the other hand it could be argued that the more highly disciplined people in western society don't generally end up playing video games for a living given the stigma currently associated with them. These same highly motivated and disciplined people can likely perform well at something else (medical school, sports, engineer, entrepreneur etc).
Korea currently has the big advantage of a society which not only does not associate a stigma with video games but in fact idolizes their starcraft stars like sports stars (not the e- kind) consequently encouraging talent and hard practice.
Note that I said "currently" and that is changing, e-sports are developing and video games are becoming much more prevalent. As that happens hopefully pro gamers will be encouraged to practice in western countries as well and play at the level the koreans (and foreigners training in Korea) have shown us.
On July 02 2011 18:08 kalany wrote: I am kind of late to this thread but what do you guys think about FXO going to Korean and further perpetuating the stereotype that Foreigners<Koreans. I see the advantages in the sense that these individuals are becoming pioneers but I gotta believe sponsors will see these statistics and it will affect their decisions. It also creates this mystique around Koreans in the foreigner community. We continue to cheer for the Koreans and even call them "Koreans" putting them on a pedestal which make us (the foreigners) seem inferior in the community and to the sponsors.
I think the truth is more like "Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" than simply "Koreans>Foreigners"
"Korean practice > Foreigner Practice" causes "Koreans>Foreigners," no?
No, because as I pointed out in my post (which you erased...) foreigners can measure up with Koreans with Korean practice. ei. Huk > a lot of Koreans
you do know that it's harder for foreigners to adopt korean practice than koreans right?
No it isn't harder, they just don't want to take so much time playing it, aka moving from their houses to a pro gamer house. They would spent even less money if they lived on a progamer house.
you are affirming my post, do you realize that?
Actually, I'm not. Just because Korea is a small country, it doesn't mean they don't have to leave their houses and friends to move into a Progamer House.
I commend FXO on doing their best - Putting up the $$ and the Logistics to get a team over there. to get Involved in the GSL and to further bond the foreigners and Koreans in eSports.
These guys may not have won their team match but the effort they have made for eSports is amazing. I don't know of another team with such dedicated ambition.
Gratz to you guys for doing something everyone only dreams of.
I am all for FXO sending players and giving Korea a shot, and to improve their players, but the question is, why invest $30,000k or so to bring unknown players into the GSTL? Really, they should spend some money on their roster first.
On July 04 2011 12:41 Cartel wrote: I am all for FXO sending players and giving Korea a shot, and to improve their players, but the question is, why invest $30,000k or so to bring unknown players into the GSTL? Really, they should spend some money on their roster first.
I don't understand how money will make players better.
The dif between foreigner and korean 'practice' is that you get more input on your practice and things run more efficiently.. They don't particularly practice more... I know optikzero was playing 12-15 hrs a day in canada, but in Korea he is doing 10-12. But he is getting better because of 1) his opponents and 2) the input given to him by his team mates in an efficient manner.
People commenting on things without actually part taking in them, or being there to see them, should probably make the trip to korea before posting.
Looking forward to fridays match, unfortunately I will not be trhere as I have to attend to business.
On July 01 2011 20:20 tgun wrote: I definately was nervous, but it wasn't the nerves that got me. I failed to make an overseer as my lair finished, and if I did, I'd be able to send it through to scout and see the 2port banshee. It's very painful to lose this way; I think he either saw replays of me play, or, knowing their team was far ahead, chose to do a risky build (and it paid off).
Either way, the posts in this thread are both uplifting and crushing at the same time; thank you everyone who is giving your support to us: it means a lot, at least, to me.
I wasnt really a fan of you before today - because I didnt follow you / your play. But today it changed. The important part was how you looked like after the defeat. MarineKing style - head on table (crying?).
Did I expect FXO to win the GSTL? No. Did I expect FXO to fight for every win - even against the worst Korean teams? Yes.
Words before matches can be deceiving ("We expect to win 4-1" if someone says something different, even if he believes he will lose, he will become the laughing stock of the community). But your reaction to the loss showed that you care (or you should get into acting asap! ). You didnt seem to have the attitude "I'm a foreigner, I'm inferior, I'm going to lose anyway - who cares?". Maybe it's just me - I'm a fan of MKP who also gets emotional. But because of that moment I hope you will succeed
To the people saying FXO should be ashamed: I hate to bring this into the discussion, but Boxer is not the best SC2 player. But he is competing and is doing his best. And he cares. Does anyone dare to say that Boxer should be ashamed / is an embaressment to the Korean community? (Apart from that one reporter *cough*)
FXO - even if you lose every game 0-4 (which you cannot do anymore^^) - you can gain many fans, if your attitude stays the same. Do your best and people will notice & respect that.
it's worth pointing out that everyone wants to win, koreans and foreigners included. you shouldn't discount other players because they're not visibly shattered straight after a loss - i'm sure there's a lot of frustration once the cameras are turned off.
Lead-off players have been announced, FXO is leading off with Oz. This is a DAMN good decision. If anyone can all-kill in FXO, it's Oz. But, PvP is Oz's worst match-up, and NSHoSeo has many great Protosses. However, after NSHoSeo sends a Protoss to snipe Oz and assuming they succeed, FXO can send Sheth or Optikzero, two great Protoss snipers. They can go from there.
I think they should of started with Sheth considering how good he is in all his MU's. Chances are he would win game 1 but lose to a zerg sniper game 2. But at that point we are up a game and can snipe them back.
On July 06 2011 01:35 RPR_Tempest wrote: Lead-off players have been announced, FXO is leading off with Oz. This is a DAMN good decision. If anyone can all-kill in FXO, it's Oz. But, PvP is Oz's worst match-up, and NSHoSeo has many great Protosses. However, after NSHoSeo sends a Protoss to snipe Oz and assuming they succeed, FXO can send Sheth or Optikzero, two great Protoss snipers. They can go from there.
I thought that on stream Oz said PvP was his favorite match up. Either way I hope to see some good games. Now that they are in week 3 the practice should be paying off and they're only going to get better. BoL FXO
Where's Moonglade? I think I remember him having to leave Korea because of personal issues...is that still the case? Another solid player in their lineup that they could really use :/
On July 04 2011 13:33 FXOpen wrote: The dif between foreigner and korean 'practice' is that you get more input on your practice and things run more efficiently.. They don't particularly practice more... I know optikzero was playing 12-15 hrs a day in canada, but in Korea he is doing 10-12. But he is getting better because of 1) his opponents and 2) the input given to him by his team mates in an efficient manner.
People commenting on things without actually part taking in them, or being there to see them, should probably make the trip to korea before posting.
Looking forward to fridays match, unfortunately I will not be trhere as I have to attend to business.
Have fun guys.
Who is going to be acting as coach on Friday? Wolf/Unstable?
On July 04 2011 12:41 Cartel wrote: I am all for FXO sending players and giving Korea a shot, and to improve their players, but the question is, why invest $30,000k or so to bring unknown players into the GSTL? Really, they should spend some money on their roster first.
I don't understand how money will make players better.
You don't MAKE better players, you BUY better players
On July 04 2011 12:41 Cartel wrote: I am all for FXO sending players and giving Korea a shot, and to improve their players, but the question is, why invest $30,000k or so to bring unknown players into the GSTL? Really, they should spend some money on their roster first.
I don't understand how money will make players better.
You don't MAKE better players, you BUY better players
That is incredibly dumb. Raising new talents is far more important or would you still prefer a FruitDealer over a DongRaeGu?
On July 04 2011 12:41 Cartel wrote: I am all for FXO sending players and giving Korea a shot, and to improve their players, but the question is, why invest $30,000k or so to bring unknown players into the GSTL? Really, they should spend some money on their roster first.
I don't understand how money will make players better.
You don't MAKE better players, you BUY better players
Why would you buy better players when the ones you have are working diligently to improve? I Could see FXO hunting for better players if there roster opens up or any of there members that stagnate and dont put forward any effort to improve. I do not see that as the case currently and standing by there team win or loss is better than instant results in my opinion.
I feel FXO has a solid chance vs NSH but Sage seems to be playing out of his mine lately. If they could perhaps get Oz to snipe him in a pvp I feel they rest of the team doesn't look extremely scary. We saw Sheth take out San in Code A. And the rest of the players are great, but not at that unbeatable level.
That is incredibly dumb. Raising new talents is far more important or would you still prefer a FruitDealer over a DongRaeGu?
It's not dumb at all, it is just a different philosophy. You see it in professional sports all the time, there are teams that buy the best players and there are teams that put more of the emphasis on individual roles and training up talent. Neither is right or wrong, it is foolish to call one dumb.
You can pretty much look at any sport and see these philosophies in action. FXO is choosing the training/role route over the buy the most talented players and put them on a team route. Nothing wrong with that it has worked for many teams in many sports, so has the throwing money at the best players approach.
I know that FXO hasn't been doing amazing in GSTL.
But regardless, even if they lose every match in the team leauge, just the experience will make them better players, and if they stick around in korea, then i know that they will become serious contenders
after what SK Gaming has done with MC/Nada, i think it would be wonderful if FXO could make deals with foreign teams so that foreign teams can use FXO as an outlet for their players to participate in the GSTL. FXO gets better players and better players get opportunities in the GSTL. players are happy, FXO is happy, audience is happy, and foreign players' home team gets money from FXO for their service or transfer - everyone is happy except the korean teams they can now beat :D
On July 04 2011 12:41 Cartel wrote: I am all for FXO sending players and giving Korea a shot, and to improve their players, but the question is, why invest $30,000k or so to bring unknown players into the GSTL? Really, they should spend some money on their roster first.
I don't understand how money will make players better.
You don't MAKE better players, you BUY better players
What ? So what is the meaning of the word "training" ? Recruiting good but no top players who have a strong will to improve and send them in Korea to train 10 hours a day is way smarter than recruiting top players who will train 3 hours a day and quickly decline in skill. Training create value.
With the IM vs IM finals, QXC is now a code S champion by proxy!
Except he didn't face NesTea nor LosirA.
Allkilling IM after FXO barely wins any games let alone a single match... pretty sure we can deem him Code S champion by proxy. Only out microed... MVP yeah didn't win anything only... 2 gsl's (both were tvt's) win.
EPT
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Fantastic speech from Wheat!
Looking forward to tonights matches though. Sheth should pwn some ass!
shit just got real![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RMjjR.jpg)
