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On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.
To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract. For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract... We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome. Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up: "The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple. Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later. Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be. *Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II." So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon...
Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss.
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They did not die to defend people's freedom to curse on a stream on the internet. Please do not twist their meaningful deaths into something perverse.
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i dont think complexity dissolved the contract because of his language and attitude on his stream, cruncher is just as offensive at times and they it hasnt caused a problem.
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On June 24 2011 03:39 Mallard86 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.
To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract. For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract... We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome. Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up: "The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple. Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later. Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be. *Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II." So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon... Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss.
What in the world are you blabbering about? Who fought for what exactly? Are you kidding?
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On June 24 2011 03:43 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 03:39 Mallard86 wrote:On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.
To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract. For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract... We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome. Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up: "The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple. Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later. Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be. *Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II." So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon... Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss. What in the world are you blabbering about? Who fought for what exactly? Are you kidding?
Being able to say the F word is very important.
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On June 24 2011 03:39 Mallard86 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.
To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract. For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract... We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome. Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up: "The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple. Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later. Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be. *Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II." So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon... Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss.
Yes, Destiny, the hero of internet free speech, his principles guide him in a righteous path of justice. Tearing apart his haters, and his fans aiding him in his eternal battle against evil. Give me a break.
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On June 24 2011 03:43 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 03:39 Mallard86 wrote:On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.
To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract. For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract... We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome. Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up: "The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple. Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later. Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be. *Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II." So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon... Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss. What in the world are you blabbering about? Who fought for what exactly? Are you kidding?
If you've ever seen him on Weapon of Choice or SotG, he claims he's a very big believer in language being entirely contextual, and that words should not be offensive outside of an offensive context. Thus, he would not want to censor himself, it's not about the ease of dropping words or being immature, though some may see it that way.
I actually disagree with him, while I agree with the contextual aspect and the responsibility being on the listener to deal with not being offended, I think it's not a big deal to remove some very specific words from your vocabulary, he's more stubborn in this regard in the belief that no words require censorship.
No one is claiming he's trying to change the world or something stupid like that, he just doesn't believe it's his responsibility to edit his speech for people who are easily and in his opinion unnecessarily offended.
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On June 23 2011 18:15 papaz wrote:
Destiny seems like a player that get more attention than deserved.
What is his accomplishments as a player?
Is it because the way he talks on his stream that gets him all this attention?
He's by far the most interesting person in the starcraft community, partially because he's smart and outspoken. Granted, he doesn't win anything but I can definitely see how he can pull a large audience... I for one always has his stream as prior 1 except for huge tournaments casts.
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How is this thread not locked yet? It's gone entirely off-topic. Illegitimate assumptions followed by personal insults.
Look, Destiny's admitted to making a mistake. How you guys continue to berate him astonishes me. I don't agree with a lot of Steven's ideologies but that doesn't mean I call him 'mean' names and throw insults at him. It just means I don't agree with him on some points. The sooner you realize that not everyone can be perfect (No, not even Steven) the sooner we can put this episode and hopefully this thread behind us.
Grow up TL community.
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If you've ever seen him on Weapon of Choice or SotG, he claims he's a very big believer in language being entirely contextual, and that words should not be offensive outside of an offensive context
If that's his argument it's pretty sad, it depends on he being the arbiter of what the context is at all times... which is pretty presumptuous.
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On June 23 2011 07:36 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 07:31 DivinO wrote:On June 23 2011 05:42 iNcontroL wrote:
this translates to me as a refusal to do normal team stuff like blog, post on site etc.. am I wrong?
In any regard I like destiny >_< wish he'd value community/teams more though.. he could grow as a player! Huh. A very insightful post by iNcontroL. Good luck to Destiny! You should have kept reading at least to the point where Incontrol himself retract his previous statement. Don't worry, it's less than what the warning on the top of the thread tells you to read.
Ah, pardon my idiocy. Really only meant this part. "In any regard I like destiny >_< wish he'd value community/teams more though.. he could grow as a player!
But yeah thanks for pointing that out. ^^
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On June 24 2011 03:47 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 03:43 FabledIntegral wrote:On June 24 2011 03:39 Mallard86 wrote:On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.
To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract. For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract... We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome. Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up: "The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple. Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later. Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be. *Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II." So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon... Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss. What in the world are you blabbering about? Who fought for what exactly? Are you kidding? If you've ever seen him on Weapon of Choice or SotG, he claims he's a very big believer in language being entirely contextual, and that words should not be offensive outside of an offensive context. Thus, he would not want to censor himself, it's not about the ease of dropping words or being immature, though some may see it that way. I actually disagree with him, while I agree with the contextual aspect and the responsibility being on the listener to deal with not being offended, I think it's not a big deal to remove some very specific words from your vocabulary, he's more stubborn in this regard in the belief that no words require censorship. No one is claiming he's trying to change the world or something stupid like that, he just doesn't believe it's his responsibility to edit his speech for people who are easily and in his opinion unnecessarily offended.
That's awfully naive. I used to think that. I still casually swear a lot even. Changing people's attitudes and reactions is not in your power. Even if you think they shouldn't. It's not worth losing your job or getting booted from your team or whatever. Sometimes you need to conform to social norms. That's life. Welcome to the real world of working with other people.
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On June 24 2011 03:41 DeepElemBlues wrote:
i dont think complexity dissolved the contract because of his language and attitude on his stream, cruncher is just as offensive at times and they it hasnt caused a problem.
Maybe, but does he has one of the largest stream followings and streams on an almost daily basis?
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On June 24 2011 03:47 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 03:43 FabledIntegral wrote:On June 24 2011 03:39 Mallard86 wrote:On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.
To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract. For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract... We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome. Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up: "The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple. Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later. Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be. *Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II." So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon... Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss. What in the world are you blabbering about? Who fought for what exactly? Are you kidding? If you've ever seen him on Weapon of Choice or SotG, he claims he's a very big believer in language being entirely contextual, and that words should not be offensive outside of an offensive context. Thus, he would not want to censor himself, it's not about the ease of dropping words or being immature, though some may see it that way. I actually disagree with him, while I agree with the contextual aspect and the responsibility being on the listener to deal with not being offended, I think it's not a big deal to remove some very specific words from your vocabulary, he's more stubborn in this regard in the belief that no words require censorship. No one is claiming he's trying to change the world or something stupid like that, he just doesn't believe it's his responsibility to edit his speech for people who are easily and in his opinion unnecessarily offended.
Not related to what I said.
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Any word on where he might go instead? Or will he stay independent?
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On June 24 2011 04:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
Any word on where he might go instead? Or will he stay independent?
yesterday he mentioned that he might remain teamless for a while. But i dont speak for him and he might have changed his mind. But thats what i heard. either way i cheer for destiny.
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Ladder rankings are less than meaningless.
This is offtopic, but I think this could be tested fairly easily (is anyone testing it?). One could take tournament performance and compare it to ladder score for active laddering players above a certain cutoff (i.e., top 200 players and top 200 masters). Test the hypothesis that higher ladder rank influences (or does not influence) who wins. If ladder rankings were meaningless, then you should see no correlation or a negative correlation ... you get the picture.
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First they came for the immature racist streamers, and I said nothing....
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On June 24 2011 03:41 Jinsho wrote:
They did not die to defend people's freedom to curse on a stream on the internet. Please do not twist their meaningful deaths into something perverse.
tell me who you are to define what freedom means to some? i think you're being a little naive thinking people go out and die for our supposed "freedom," without knowing what that even entails.
on topic: I respect destiny for sticking to his beliefs, but i was looking forward to CoL.Destiny. that's alright though, destiny will live on and i will continue to support him through his streaming.
good luck destiny & complexity
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EPT
