• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:19
CET 13:19
KST 21:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation10Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time?
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle What happened to TvZ on Retro? BW General Discussion Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1606 users

Destiny released from Complexity - Page 47

Forum Index > SC2 General
1316 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 45 46 47 48 49 66 Next
It is highly recommended that your read this entire thread - at least until page 10. If you make uninformed opinions that have been answered by the thread, col management or Destiny, you will be banned.
Mallard86
Profile Joined May 2011
186 Posts
June 23 2011 18:39 GMT
#921
On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:
On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.


To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract.

For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract...

We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome.

Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.

Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up:

"The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple.

Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later.

Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be.

*Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II."


So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon...

Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
June 23 2011 18:41 GMT
#922
They did not die to defend people's freedom to curse on a stream on the internet. Please do not twist their meaningful deaths into something perverse.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 18:42:07
June 23 2011 18:41 GMT
#923
i dont think complexity dissolved the contract because of his language and attitude on his stream, cruncher is just as offensive at times and they it hasnt caused a problem.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
June 23 2011 18:43 GMT
#924
On June 24 2011 03:39 Mallard86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:
On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:
On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.


To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract.

For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract...

We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome.

Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.

Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up:

"The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple.

Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later.

Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be.

*Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II."


So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon...

Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss.


What in the world are you blabbering about? Who fought for what exactly? Are you kidding?
Zulk
Profile Joined June 2010
United States20 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 18:48:49
June 23 2011 18:44 GMT
#925
1984ed by mod.

NO SPOILERSSSSSSSS.

User was warned for this post
Chicago Blackhawks
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
June 23 2011 18:45 GMT
#926
On June 24 2011 03:43 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 03:39 Mallard86 wrote:
On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:
On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:
On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.


To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract.

For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract...

We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome.

Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.

Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up:

"The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple.

Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later.

Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be.

*Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II."


So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon...

Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss.


What in the world are you blabbering about? Who fought for what exactly? Are you kidding?


Being able to say the F word is very important.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
June 23 2011 18:47 GMT
#927
On June 24 2011 03:39 Mallard86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:
On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:
On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.


To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract.

For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract...

We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome.

Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.

Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up:

"The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple.

Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later.

Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be.

*Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II."


So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon...

Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss.

Yes, Destiny, the hero of internet free speech, his principles guide him in a righteous path of justice. Tearing apart his haters, and his fans aiding him in his eternal battle against evil. Give me a break.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 18:48:31
June 23 2011 18:47 GMT
#928
On June 24 2011 03:43 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 03:39 Mallard86 wrote:
On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:
On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:
On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.


To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract.

For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract...

We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome.

Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.

Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up:

"The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple.

Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later.

Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be.

*Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II."


So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon...

Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss.


What in the world are you blabbering about? Who fought for what exactly? Are you kidding?


If you've ever seen him on Weapon of Choice or SotG, he claims he's a very big believer in language being entirely contextual, and that words should not be offensive outside of an offensive context. Thus, he would not want to censor himself, it's not about the ease of dropping words or being immature, though some may see it that way.

I actually disagree with him, while I agree with the contextual aspect and the responsibility being on the listener to deal with not being offended, I think it's not a big deal to remove some very specific words from your vocabulary, he's more stubborn in this regard in the belief that no words require censorship.

No one is claiming he's trying to change the world or something stupid like that, he just doesn't believe it's his responsibility to edit his speech for people who are easily and in his opinion unnecessarily offended.
soverRR
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden348 Posts
June 23 2011 19:03 GMT
#929
On June 23 2011 18:15 papaz wrote:
Destiny seems like a player that get more attention than deserved.

What is his accomplishments as a player?

Is it because the way he talks on his stream that gets him all this attention?


He's by far the most interesting person in the starcraft community, partially because he's smart and outspoken. Granted, he doesn't win anything but I can definitely see how he can pull a large audience... I for one always has his stream as prior 1 except for huge tournaments casts.
CameronJ
Profile Joined June 2011
United States57 Posts
June 23 2011 19:11 GMT
#930
How is this thread not locked yet? It's gone entirely off-topic. Illegitimate assumptions followed by personal insults.

Look, Destiny's admitted to making a mistake. How you guys continue to berate him astonishes me. I don't agree with a lot of Steven's ideologies but that doesn't mean I call him 'mean' names and throw insults at him. It just means I don't agree with him on some points. The sooner you realize that not everyone can be perfect (No, not even Steven) the sooner we can put this episode and hopefully this thread behind us.

Grow up TL community.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
June 23 2011 19:18 GMT
#931
If you've ever seen him on Weapon of Choice or SotG, he claims he's a very big believer in language being entirely contextual, and that words should not be offensive outside of an offensive context


If that's his argument it's pretty sad, it depends on he being the arbiter of what the context is at all times... which is pretty presumptuous.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
June 23 2011 19:20 GMT
#932
On June 23 2011 07:36 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 07:31 DivinO wrote:
On June 23 2011 05:42 iNcontroL wrote:
this translates to me as a refusal to do normal team stuff like blog, post on site etc.. am I wrong?

In any regard I like destiny >_< wish he'd value community/teams more though.. he could grow as a player!


Huh. A very insightful post by iNcontroL. Good luck to Destiny!


You should have kept reading at least to the point where Incontrol himself retract his previous statement. Don't worry, it's less than what the warning on the top of the thread tells you to read.


Ah, pardon my idiocy. Really only meant this part. "In any regard I like destiny >_< wish he'd value community/teams more though.. he could grow as a player!

But yeah thanks for pointing that out. ^^
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 19:28:41
June 23 2011 19:27 GMT
#933
On June 24 2011 03:47 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 03:43 FabledIntegral wrote:
On June 24 2011 03:39 Mallard86 wrote:
On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:
On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:
On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.


To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract.

For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract...

We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome.

Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.

Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up:

"The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple.

Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later.

Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be.

*Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II."


So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon...

Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss.


What in the world are you blabbering about? Who fought for what exactly? Are you kidding?


If you've ever seen him on Weapon of Choice or SotG, he claims he's a very big believer in language being entirely contextual, and that words should not be offensive outside of an offensive context. Thus, he would not want to censor himself, it's not about the ease of dropping words or being immature, though some may see it that way.

I actually disagree with him, while I agree with the contextual aspect and the responsibility being on the listener to deal with not being offended, I think it's not a big deal to remove some very specific words from your vocabulary, he's more stubborn in this regard in the belief that no words require censorship.

No one is claiming he's trying to change the world or something stupid like that, he just doesn't believe it's his responsibility to edit his speech for people who are easily and in his opinion unnecessarily offended.


That's awfully naive. I used to think that. I still casually swear a lot even. Changing people's attitudes and reactions is not in your power. Even if you think they shouldn't. It's not worth losing your job or getting booted from your team or whatever. Sometimes you need to conform to social norms. That's life. Welcome to the real world of working with other people.

...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
soverRR
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden348 Posts
June 23 2011 19:36 GMT
#934
On June 24 2011 03:41 DeepElemBlues wrote:
i dont think complexity dissolved the contract because of his language and attitude on his stream, cruncher is just as offensive at times and they it hasnt caused a problem.


Maybe, but does he has one of the largest stream followings and streams on an almost daily basis?
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
June 23 2011 19:37 GMT
#935
On June 24 2011 03:47 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 03:43 FabledIntegral wrote:
On June 24 2011 03:39 Mallard86 wrote:
On June 24 2011 03:34 Ownos wrote:
On June 24 2011 02:57 aMies wrote:
On June 24 2011 02:19 Mordiford wrote:
In honesty, I'd rather just put this to rest, but it would be nice if Complexity did clear up what they meant when one of their staff claimed he refused to play for the team among other things because there are numerous aspects of Destiny that I sort of get even if I don't agree with them, but refusing to play for your team is sort of douchey and a major negative to pin on someone.


To clarify this, "refusing to play with the team" was not meant to be as literal as it's being taken. I'm sure playing with the team, in terms of its players, wasn't a problem to him, however he refused to change his name (to represent the team), or participate in organization mandated requests, such as representing a specific sponsor with a specific banner or something along those lines. He made it clear to us that he did not want to play for the organization, so we obliged his request by dissolving the contract.

For those saying that we should sue him over the breach of contract...

We are human beings, much like him. We would not sue someone trying to support his family just because we can, when the contract could easily just be dissolved with no harm done. We are a business, yes, but we are also gamers ourselves...we do have compassion and understanding. We are not, regardless of what people will tell you, corporate tyrants. We have been involved with lawsuits before, and in this case it would be likely that no one would win, regardless of the judicial outcome.

Summary of above: Please don't make uneducated comments about lawsuits.

Also, for the sake of repetition, I'll paste a response I gave to a user via the Facebook area of our website to clear a few things up:

"The game's T rating has nothing to do with the objections we have to some of his content. I can assure you that it isn't cursing and overall humorous bm that we are objective to. Racial and homophobic slurs are not something that most take lightly, regardless of the context. It's just not something we have ever tolerated as an organization, plain and simple.

Steven not remaining in a contract has little, if anything, to do with his behavior on his stream though. He regretted signing a contract, as he expressed, but we were still willing to work with him. As it became apparent that he was not willing to participate in obligations such as name changes, blogging, setting up his stream, it was also apparent that he wouldn't be a part of the organization in the near future. We wanted to work with him to correct this, but as time progressed it was decided that it would be more beneficial to mutually part ways, with stream content only being factor that contributed to the announcement being sooner rather than later.

Personally, I will continue to watch his stream and support what he does, as I want to see him succeed in providing for his family and having a successful life. I know it's hard to understand, but the decision by both parties to mutually terminate the contract was a business decision, not personal. It is obviously in the nature of the community to create friction where need not be.

*Note: Contrary to popular belief, Steven was not asked to censor himself, but merely to tone down his use of racial and homophobic slurs. I can't see how everyone acts like we wanted to put duct tape over his mouth and insert a voice over post-edit. If you're in a workplace, odds are you don't talk like that, and before you say anything...YES, "pro-gamers" have a workplace and it's called Starcraft II."


So he didn't want join with his mates because he wanted to still say some bad words. Is that right? Look, I like to curse as much as the next sailor, but c'mon...

Destiny is a very principled person. He is not abandoning his friends and team. He is refusing to be censored by the team. You can look at his reasons as petty but many people have fought in many venues to receive and retain these rights which you dismiss.


What in the world are you blabbering about? Who fought for what exactly? Are you kidding?


If you've ever seen him on Weapon of Choice or SotG, he claims he's a very big believer in language being entirely contextual, and that words should not be offensive outside of an offensive context. Thus, he would not want to censor himself, it's not about the ease of dropping words or being immature, though some may see it that way.

I actually disagree with him, while I agree with the contextual aspect and the responsibility being on the listener to deal with not being offended, I think it's not a big deal to remove some very specific words from your vocabulary, he's more stubborn in this regard in the belief that no words require censorship.

No one is claiming he's trying to change the world or something stupid like that, he just doesn't believe it's his responsibility to edit his speech for people who are easily and in his opinion unnecessarily offended.


Not related to what I said.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
June 23 2011 19:40 GMT
#936
Any word on where he might go instead? Or will he stay independent?
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
badcnr
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada116 Posts
June 23 2011 19:46 GMT
#937
On June 24 2011 04:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
Any word on where he might go instead? Or will he stay independent?

yesterday he mentioned that he might remain teamless for a while. But i dont speak for him and he might have changed his mind. But thats what i heard. either way i cheer for destiny.
price
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
June 23 2011 19:49 GMT
#938

Ladder rankings are less than meaningless.


This is offtopic, but I think this could be tested fairly easily (is anyone testing it?). One could take tournament performance and compare it to ladder score for active laddering players above a certain cutoff (i.e., top 200 players and top 200 masters). Test the hypothesis that higher ladder rank influences (or does not influence) who wins. If ladder rankings were meaningless, then you should see no correlation or a negative correlation ... you get the picture.
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
RoachoCinco
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3 Posts
June 23 2011 19:49 GMT
#939
First they came for the immature racist streamers, and I said nothing....
mark it eight, dude
Skaya
Profile Joined August 2010
United States126 Posts
June 23 2011 19:49 GMT
#940
On June 24 2011 03:41 Jinsho wrote:
They did not die to defend people's freedom to curse on a stream on the internet. Please do not twist their meaningful deaths into something perverse.



tell me who you are to define what freedom means to some? i think you're being a little naive thinking people go out and die for our supposed "freedom," without knowing what that even entails.

on topic: I respect destiny for sticking to his beliefs, but i was looking forward to CoL.Destiny. that's alright though, destiny will live on and i will continue to support him through his streaming.

good luck destiny & complexity
Prev 1 45 46 47 48 49 66 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Group Stage 1 - Group A
WardiTV153
LiquipediaDiscussion
Kung Fu Cup
12:00
2025 Monthly #3: Day 3
GuMiho vs MaNaLIVE!
herO vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs TBD
RotterdaM115
SteadfastSC28
Liquipedia
RSL Revival
10:00
Group B
Creator vs TriGGeR
Cure vs TBD
Crank 1010
Tasteless562
ComeBackTV 546
IndyStarCraft 133
Rex83
3DClanTV 47
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Crank 1010
Tasteless 562
IndyStarCraft 133
Harstem 119
Lowko116
RotterdaM 115
Rex 83
SteadfastSC 28
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 26952
Sea 21009
Calm 5769
Rain 4375
Jaedong 2956
Bisu 2009
Horang2 1394
Flash 855
firebathero 489
Pusan 431
[ Show more ]
Zeus 219
Hyun 183
JYJ79
sSak 72
Soulkey 66
hero 62
Rush 58
Backho 54
ToSsGirL 50
Mind 46
JulyZerg 44
Sea.KH 39
Killer 39
Barracks 33
Free 29
Movie 17
Bale 14
Hm[arnc] 9
Icarus 7
Noble 7
Dota 2
Dendi520
XcaliburYe114
resolut1ontv 96
Counter-Strike
fl0m2363
shoxiejesuss277
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King65
Other Games
summit1g15624
FrodaN3187
B2W.Neo999
crisheroes353
Pyrionflax308
KnowMe189
Fuzer 172
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick492
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota224
League of Legends
• Stunt1193
Other Games
• WagamamaTV285
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
21h 41m
RSL Revival
21h 41m
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
23h 41m
Cure vs Reynor
IPSL
1d 4h
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
BSL 21
1d 7h
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 21h
RSL Revival
1d 21h
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
1d 23h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 23h
BSL 21
2 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
[ Show More ]
IPSL
2 days
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
BSL: GosuLeague
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
BSL: GosuLeague
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
RSL Revival: Season 3
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.