On June 21 2011 21:05 windzor wrote: I think when a MLG rep (either Lee or Sundance) talked on SOTG about maps and such, they had a real concern about big maps taking too long. Image, a truly epic game om TDA takes atleast 30 minutes, maybe 45. Add 5-10 minutes between maps for setting up stuff, players getting something to drink etc. Then you need a commercial maybe. That's allmost 1 hour pr. map for a BO3. Okay we allmost never see 30-45 minutes games, but if we get a BO5 or BO7 final, i think it's safe to assume that atleast 2 are gonna be that with the rest averaging 15-20 minutes. That's still allmost 2.5 - 3 hours of a final. If DH had a 3 hour SC2 final, the 2-3 hour CS final that was comming up after it, was going late...
I think it's safe to assume it's all because of scheduling. Is it good? No a BO5 final would atleast be good, but scheduling doesn't allow for it.
Yea but if it was up to sundance sc2 would be played on the xbox and you would play on blackops maps.... MLG is only concerned with big maps taking too long because it means they cant run 15,0000 comercials to grab at some more money.
NASL-- Well keep in mind NASL foots the bill for the final "lan" event so at least the players arent paying their way to lose in a quick best of 3. While I wouldnt mind seeing this switched to double elim, As with the other events, there is a time constraint as with things like MLG you arent going to be streaming every match, but I expect NASL will.
As for MLG, you have 3 days to run through a LOT of matches. And as others said its a double elim tourney, not a single. If you win all your matches in your group (and sometimes lose 1) you are in winners bracket semi. If you lost a match you are likely in the losers bracket...you know, because you lost.
Agreed. Also, please more group play, having groups is always preferable (more precise) to single elimination. Large groups, like in NASL are the best. In short: don't shorten the game format too much, it becomes almost useless.
I think GSL kinda sucks with the lack of loser brackets. You can have a matchup like Bomber vs Nestea in the Ro64 and then have a failure like Nestea vs Inca in the finals since the brackets can be set up in a way where the best of the best are on one side and the worst are on the other.
I think semi and final should be best of 5 or 7. Before that there is not enough time to play the games.
Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't MLG have a double elimination?> Or at least if you lose a game you go to losers round ?
Some match-ups are by default short, others are long, TvT can go on for hours imagine playing 7 of them it would be painful in the end. Whereas PvP and ZvZ are often short games.
The Reason TSL could do Best of 5 was that it had time. you would never have been able to fit TSL3 into a 3 day event like DH and MLG.
On June 21 2011 21:17 Pengu wrote: I think semi and final should be best of 5 or 7. Before that there is not enough time to play the games.
Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't MLG have a double elimination?> Or at least if you lose a game you go to losers round ?
Some match-ups are by default short, others are long, TvT can go on for hours imagine playing 7 of them it would be painful in the end. Whereas PvP and ZvZ are often short games.
The Reason TSL could do Best of 5 was that it had time. you would never have been able to fit TSL3 into a 3 day event like DH and MLG.
That I can agree. At least the semis and finals of any big tournament should be bo5. In case of DH bo5 ro8 and even ro16 would have been perfect, because all matches were big, involving great players. It's harsh to battle for days only to have your destiny determined by a semi random bo3 imo In case of MLG, finals should be at least bo5 too. Any final that only last 2 games is dull.
On June 21 2011 20:53 MrCon wrote: The GSL is nearly ok, but it seems they'll have best of 3 round of 8 this season instead of best of 5, which would be a shame.
Is there a confirmation of this?
I'll be hesitant to believe it if it were from the overlays during the Group Selection broadcast, because they're prone to errors.
On June 21 2011 20:53 MrCon wrote: The GSL is nearly ok, but it seems they'll have best of 3 round of 8 this season instead of best of 5, which would be a shame.
Is there a confirmation of this?
I'll be hesitant to believe it if it were from the overlays during the Group Selection broadcast, because they're prone to errors.
On June 21 2011 21:07 Keype wrote: totally aggree, DH seems to be the ones doing the best job with it as a lan.
well, i dont agree in case of DHsummer.
A bo3 in semis is just detremental. I mean, in the worst case you have two 10 minute games, and the thing is over. Yesterday was quite unsatisfying for me i've got to say (not that the result in the end wasnt great), 30 minutes games, 1 hour pause is just not feasible if you want to please a live/stream-audience.
And thats what Quarter to Semi-finals have been yesterday.
Why not just add +2 to each step such that it goes from Bo3 ---> Bo11 ( Finals ) that would be really interesting...with a possible reverse from 0-5 to 6-5...
MLG is double elimination, and always goes over on time, so no change should be made.
GSl, well yes, it should have Bo5 Ro8. That's true.
DH just seems to prefer having Bo5 finals, whether because of time, or just that's the way they prefer it, it never stops the final games being epic.
And NASL is fine, Bo3 Ro16 is good, Bo5 after that, then Bo7 finals (I believe).
So while, yeah there are slight problems, they aren't as major as things like Extended Series, which is a joke of rule. Interesting how different tourney's are run though, isn't it?
actually i dont like this many games. i like the good old broodwar format of bo1 groupplay...that being sad i know it encourages cheese and upsetes and thats the beauty of it. only finals should be bo5 imho
On June 21 2011 21:26 nalgene wrote: Why not just add +2 to each step such that it goes from Bo3 ---> Bo11 ( Finals ) that would be really interesting...with a possible reverse from 0-5 to 6-5...
That would be good but perhaps a little too much :p Really, my biggest concern is MLG finals and semis, DH semis. The problem in NASL is in ro16, so bo3 is ok, it's just having people come from all over the world for playing 2 games seems a little dumb, but I can understand the logic here. For MLG and DH I can't understand at all, I don't see any real argument against.
Well, TSL and GSL happen over long period of time, whereas MLG and DH have to crunch in huge amounts of game in 2-3 days. So naturally, you can't really expect format to be the same. That being said, I do consider NASL to be more of GSL and TSL, so 1 bo3 at round of 16 is kinda lame. I mean, MC or Boxer, along with 7 others, will have to fly to California just to play 1 bo3. That doesn't feel right.
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