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Well personally, when i just started getting into watching progaming in SC2, i didn't know much about the players. So when i heard about Huk, a canadian, in the GSL, i quickly became attached. (It also helped that he was a protoss, since that was my favorite race even in SC1.)
But as i kept watching more and more SC2, and getting to know all the different players, I started to also like other players from all around the world. Guys like oGsMC, Jinro, and many others.
I also find myself rooting more for certain teams, like i obviously cheer for Liquid, and oGs as well because of their connection with Liquid. Actually I'm curious, do you guys find yourselves cheering more for a certain team, then players from a country?
So in the end, if i was watching a game between two players i didnt know well, I would most probably root for the Canadian, but say if KiwiKaki was up against Jinro or something, i would cheer for Jinro because I feel more attached to team Liquid.
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On June 16 2011 22:00 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 21:42 mustache wrote:On June 16 2011 21:28 Bobster wrote:On June 16 2011 13:28 wongisgreat wrote:
No one chooses where they're born so it's foolish to be proud of it. Are you proud when your brother/sister/father/mother achieves something great? But you didn't choose to be born into that family. It's a natural thing to cheer for the things close to you, to be proud of the people close[r] to you. For some people that only extends to themselves, for some to their family, their friends, their country, etc etc. family members =/= random guy that you don't know out of the other 300 million citizens of a country, where "country" for this purpose is nothing but a bunch of squiggly lines on a map.surely you see the difference. and even though you didnt ask me, no i wouldnt be proud, i would be happy. That was exactly my point. Some people keep it close, some people cast the net of "people they feel a relation to" wider, up to the point of having the same hometown. Or coming from the same state. Or from the same county. Or from the same country. Or from the same continent - do you get what I'm saying? There's all different kinds of people - and you telling them who they can and can not feel happy for, or proud of - that's what I'm objecting to. Just as a sidenote: that you are not proud of your family members is something we don't share. I feel both a sense of happiness and pride for those close to me. edit: the most important point of all is to keep this a positive emotion. It's always better to cheer for someone than against someone.
of course i get what you're saying, i see people spraying patriotism around every day, obviously it's something im aware of. I'm not objecting, I'm just saying it doesn't make much sense at all.
Actually I am objecting, since more often than not patriotism or being a fan of something in general will end up with you attacking different countries/teams etc more than supporting the country/team you're a fan of.
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Think patriotism is perfectly fine, you cheer for your countrymen because you bond with them. In a way their like your family. But i also get why you would cheer for a single player because of their attitude, style or skill. Different people value different things, some countries may not have good players to cheer for so they naturally cheer for the players the like personally disregarding nationality.
They both make you feel happy when they win so why should any reason be bad?
Ofc being overly patriotic is bad when you start waving a flag in LR threads like someone mention earlier. But if you want new people to join the SC2 community you cant get people involved by going on about players skills. Since it doesn't matter to them, nationality however does.
Like i have experienced when i tried to get my friend into SC2, he didn't care much about anything micro/macro/style was just irrelevant. But i noticed he reacted on me mentioning how good Sweden was at it. That's what sparked his interest because now he had something to relate to, a reason to cheer and watch streams.
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I couldn't care less if some German guy wins some important tournament (unless I adore his actual play). In a game between DarKFoRcE and MajOr for example I'd root for MajOr just because I think he is the more entertaining player to spec. (Although DarKFoRcE is a hilariously funny guy °_°)
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On June 16 2011 23:00 mustache wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 22:00 Bobster wrote:On June 16 2011 21:42 mustache wrote:On June 16 2011 21:28 Bobster wrote:On June 16 2011 13:28 wongisgreat wrote:
No one chooses where they're born so it's foolish to be proud of it. Are you proud when your brother/sister/father/mother achieves something great? But you didn't choose to be born into that family. It's a natural thing to cheer for the things close to you, to be proud of the people close[r] to you. For some people that only extends to themselves, for some to their family, their friends, their country, etc etc. family members =/= random guy that you don't know out of the other 300 million citizens of a country, where "country" for this purpose is nothing but a bunch of squiggly lines on a map.surely you see the difference. and even though you didnt ask me, no i wouldnt be proud, i would be happy. That was exactly my point. Some people keep it close, some people cast the net of "people they feel a relation to" wider, up to the point of having the same hometown. Or coming from the same state. Or from the same county. Or from the same country. Or from the same continent - do you get what I'm saying? There's all different kinds of people - and you telling them who they can and can not feel happy for, or proud of - that's what I'm objecting to. Just as a sidenote: that you are not proud of your family members is something we don't share. I feel both a sense of happiness and pride for those close to me. edit: the most important point of all is to keep this a positive emotion. It's always better to cheer for someone than against someone. of course i get what you're saying, i see people spraying patriotism around every day, obviously it's something im aware of. I'm not objecting, I'm just saying it doesn't make much sense at all. Actually I am objecting, since more often than not patriotism or being a fan of something in general will end up with you attacking different countries/teams etc more than supporting the country/team you're a fan of.
You do not know or understand the difference between patriotism and nationalism. Go back to school.
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If there's a bunch of vods to watch I always watch July first, since he's my favorite player. But if there are Ret and Grubby vods too they will be watched next 
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I am dutch and I support Ret, must mostly because he is a Teamliquid member rather then a fellow countrymen, Grubby I loved in his WCIII days but he has no results in SC2 and his play is not that impressive.
Also I am asian
So Asian>>>>All.
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Maybe it's because there's no real active scene in Brazil, and aince 2008 I watch BW, but i don't really have any kind of patriotism on SC, maybe a little bit of foreigners vs koreans, but i'm always more interested in backgrounds and playstyles.
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I'm from hungary, and the hungarian sc2 scene is just awful. In sc1 we had sziky and ace at least.
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I don't care where a player is from. I don't root for players based on anything arbitrary like that.
If a player is skilled, innovative, funny, engaging, etc., they are easy to root for. No need to bring nationality into the picture, IMO.
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On June 16 2011 23:04 butchji wrote:
I couldn't care less if some German guy wins some important tournament (unless I adore his actual play). In a game between DarKFoRcE and MajOr for example I'd root for MajOr just because I think he is the more entertaining player to spec. (Although DarKFoRcE is a hilariously funny guy °_°)
Srsly man.. Darkforce (Trollforce  ) is awesome!! :D
No but you got the right idea I think. I don't care much about where a player comes from, more about their personality and mostly of course how they play...
Give a SC2 fan a BitByBitPrime and he is entertained for 5 minutes, give him an IdrA and he is entertained for a lifetime.
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i loved mondragon before i knew he was german x3 . esports is more international thats why people are more scattered in who they like. Korea is a lil exception, as they are the center of esports so to say, but more secluded from the rest of the world (hundreds of reasons ! one is probably because of their training elitism, so they are mostly on top).
The biggest issue is probably the region barrier, internet just doesn't run smoothly on the globe, its getting better, but there are still some regiosn just have a terrible lag to each other. making nationswars a bit hard.
Canada vs us no, europe vs each other np. But US/canada vs europe will be won by lag probably
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On June 16 2011 13:23 MechKing wrote:
I support Terrans regardless of nationality.
I only support Terrans from the Koprulu Sector.
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I am canadian and protoss so its easy for me to cheer for kiwi huk and tt1.
But i still love mc and a bunch of koreans for being the best.
koreans are the best.
Im patriotic but also... starcraftiotic.
Just love the game and make it fun to cheer for people.
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In most cases this is how I work...
Swede vs Non-Swede => Go Swede!
Korean vs Foreigner => Go Foreigner!
European vs American => Go European!
All types of competitions are more fun to watch if you cheer for someone. Everyone is a part of at least one nation and this makes nations easy to fall back on when deciding who to cheer for.
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Well, I sure do root for Kiwikaki and Slush, but that's not because they're canadian, that's because they're amazing players with creative styles
I also love adelscott even though he's from France...
Well, maybe I simply tend to root for people who speak french... I don't know, but anyway, even though I know that Koreans are sick StarCraft beasts, I usually root for the foreigners when it's Korean vs Foreigner.
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On June 16 2011 13:06 AustinCM wrote:Haha no I didn't, but thinking about myself I'm not that patriotic. Mostly because the best Canadians are Protoss and I hate Protoss  and also IdrA is baller status.
To be fair, when a country's representative such as Idra makes comments like "zerg isn't meant to beat protoss." and doesn't GG the emperor who is indirectly responsible for his successful career, sometimes you want other players to stomp him and simply shut him up.
That being said, I am Half Korean / Half Japanese while being raised in the US and China, so I have no real patriotism. I do feel proud when I see a Korean do well, but its not to the degree that I would call it patriotic. I am primarily a fan of play-styles over nationalities. I think most will say the same.
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If there were more players per nationality and then there was a 'world' type tournament where only the best player from each nationality made it in then you would see more patriotic enthusiasm. Right now it seems like attitude/play-style/achievements/sc-race/team are the major determining factors to who you root for.
I'm originally from Poland but I don't follow the 2-3 players that are doing well in the scene right now. I do, however, like to see them have success. I've been living in Canada most of my life and I do root for Huk however I would probably be rooting for him even if he wasn't representing Canada due to his 'ceremonies' after GSL games and creative toss play.
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I'm from Finland and I mostly root for Swedish players (even thou we are in a deep hate relationship in everything else). Of course if Naama is playing then I root for Naama, but mostly Swedish players. Some neighbor love for the e-sports scene!
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I'm cheering for players, I don't care from where they are..
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