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TheFrankOne
Profile Joined December 2010
United States667 Posts
June 08 2011 15:36 GMT
#81
Does anyone know where I can see financial statements from MLG? I have seen a lot of disagreement about their revenues in various threads and would like to see some data for myself.

Thanks!
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
June 08 2011 17:19 GMT
#82
On June 06 2011 11:00 Vansetsu wrote:
So... I have kind of felt this way since the roach got +1 (4) range buff. Zerg played correctly at the highest mechanical and strategical level is very strong. In particular against a Protoss. Discluding early to maybe mid game, I feel like even the best Zerg can generate too much income and and can either re-macro strong unit compositions too fast or stockpile and do other things.

I tried to think of a solution for this for a long time, and finally I think I may have come up with a feasible concept - Charging resources for every creep tumor put on the map (initial tumor possibley being free), and maybe charging a slow mineral rate, ala an scv repairing something, for overlords dropping creep. I have no idea what the amounts charged would be, maybe something like 25m?

Creep is free vision, free expansion denial, and free speed advantage. I think forcing the Zerg to passively spend a little of the massive amount of excess minerals they can macro up in SC2 and making creep something of "resource based value" to attack would maybe make the PvZ match up a tad bit more balanced (before the roach range increase, stalkers could harass roaches without speed and kite with good micro ect.) It also makes a stockpiled zerg a little more accountable for how he chooses to engage with units, even if they are in a "throw away army". However, I'm not sure how this would adversely effect TvZ, as creep is often quickly and easily destroyed... but it's something I have been thinking about a lot.

I'd love to hear some intelligent, non bias feedback on the idea. (if that's possible )


Really, the bias in your post kind of makes it hard to come from an unbiased point of view. You state that you believe zerg macro to be too strong; This may or may not be true and is the basis for your suggested nerf. As a zerg player I would love it if creep was removed from the game and some units like the queen and the hydralisk were buffed/changed to compensate.

Btw, you have a unit that is invisible and can see creep tumors. Use it.
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
June 08 2011 17:23 GMT
#83
On June 06 2011 21:51 Rambowjo wrote:
Hi, I want to participate in the tournament Husky and Day9 are arranging, but I need a North American copy of SC2. Could a kind American look into where I can get it the cheapest? My idea was to order it to a friend in America and then he could give me the serial key.

My apologies if there's a megapost about this somewhere, I couldn't seem to find it.


Major stores like target and best buy or gamestop would be sufficient. The game costs $60 (or did) and is available at most tech stores. If you have a friend in the states, then it shouldn't be a problem to get a copy.
STLJOK3R
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1 Post
June 08 2011 17:38 GMT
#84
New new toss here looking for a tutor, hoping to make Diamond by the end of summer (In bronze on the threshold MMR wise into silver atm) Can offer payment but, add pm me here and we will discuss please. was told this is an amazing community and would love help
Did Idra just leave AGAIN!!!
Annoying Orange
Profile Joined February 2011
South Africa4 Posts
June 08 2011 18:45 GMT
#85
Hey guys, quick question, dunno where else to post it
If I change my name to grack would that be bad/frowned upon/ anything like that
It's been in the pipeline for a while, not just since the thing with MMA. I want to change it to grack because my friends call me grack because I'm prone to rage and quitting games early
Just don't wanna look like i'm trying to be Idra or anything like that
Pylons and Probes
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
June 08 2011 18:47 GMT
#86
On June 09 2011 03:45 Annoying Orange wrote:
Hey guys, quick question, dunno where else to post it
If I change my name to grack would that be bad/frowned upon/ anything like that
It's been in the pipeline for a while, not just since the thing with MMA. I want to change it to grack because my friends call me grack because I'm prone to rage and quitting games early
Just don't wanna look like i'm trying to be Idra or anything like that


Nobody would care on ladder.

EGIdrA clone would be bad, but using a nickname like that isn't as everyone knows you are not the real one.
Are you hurting ESPORTS? Find out today - http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232866
Plum13um
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany7 Posts
June 08 2011 19:13 GMT
#87
Hello, i got a question for you all. I recently realised that protoss does onyl need to built their gateway tech structures without haveing them powered in order to be able to warp in the teched units.(Didnt try with further tech than Gateway)
Wasnt this differently in the past, or did I get this wrong all the time? :D

Example:
Cyber core is built. Powering Pylon gets destroyed. Toss still able to warp in Stalkers.

**Toss OP!** =D
RM_12
Profile Joined March 2011
201 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 20:05:47
June 08 2011 20:05 GMT
#88
On June 09 2011 04:13 Plum13um wrote:
Hello, i got a question for you all. I recently realised that protoss does onyl need to built their gateway tech structures without haveing them powered in order to be able to warp in the teched units.(Didnt try with further tech than Gateway)
Wasnt this differently in the past, or did I get this wrong all the time? :D

Example:
Cyber core is built. Powering Pylon gets destroyed. Toss still able to warp in Stalkers.

**Toss OP!** =D


When your barracks are floating you can build factory, when your hydra den is no longer on creep, you can build hydras untill it dies, etc. You are not using cyber core to warp stalkers, you are using gateways.
dydtaylor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States12 Posts
June 08 2011 20:22 GMT
#89
Have Idra, Slush, and Nani mentioned whether they're accepting the Code A status from MLG Columbus?
Annoying Orange
Profile Joined February 2011
South Africa4 Posts
June 08 2011 20:36 GMT
#90
Idra isn't naniwa probably is dunno about the rest
Pylons and Probes
BatCat
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Austria630 Posts
June 08 2011 20:41 GMT
#91
It's actually amazing how SC2 is developing, also gameplaywise.
Look at the recent tournament games, I'm really happy we get so see awesome games now - just compare them to games played months ago, which were much shorter and generally lost after one engagement.
I know it was to be forseen, but guys, it's happening! :D
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
BushidoSnipr
Profile Joined November 2010
United States910 Posts
June 08 2011 21:05 GMT
#92
Why are terran drops bordering imbalanced?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 08 2011 21:06 GMT
#93
I think it's amazing too, but I've yet to see much of anything that has blown me away. There are exceptions of course, but most of these games are just showcases of efficient macro and decent microing (pulling back units).

https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 22:48:18
June 08 2011 22:47 GMT
#94
A few months ago FFs were imba, then NesTea was imba (NERF HIM!)

Now its drops.
See where I'm going with this? Playstyle executed at the pinnacle of performance is not imba. Its effort.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
MazerRackham
Profile Joined May 2011
United States10 Posts
June 08 2011 23:06 GMT
#95
I have about 20 or perhaps even more off days this summer, so I've been thinking to practice hard. I'm a platinum Terran wanting to get to Masters. What should I focus on while practicing (instead of playing a lot) to achieve this goal?


What got me over the hump from Plat to Diamond, and then to Master League level* (*I'm Diamond rank 1, but every match I play is vs ML so it's just a matter of time), was learning Timing Attacks.

I mean this both as an aggressor and as a defender. First, for the aggressor side I'll give some examples:

TvZ:
If the Zerg 14 hatches, they *usually* have a weak spot anytime before 7 or 7:30 when their fast expo hasn't yet paid for itself. If you hit there with a solid force (hint: expand as you push) then you will likely either A) win right then, at least against plats or B) force the Zerg to not be able to drone hard.

TvP:
If Toss does any sort of expo (except a 15 nexus), then you have a sweet spot around the 9-10 minute mark to strike with a one base force (again, expanding behind your push).

TvT:
Well if you're Terran you should know this.

Defensive
TvZ:
If you do not see an expo up by 3 to 4 minutes, you are going to get baneling busted guaranteed sometime between 5 and 6 minutes. Build a huge wall. If you survive, you win.

Roach push comes around 5:30-6 minutes, just have a bunker.

Mutas around 7-9, have one or two turrets (not more)

TvP:
Zealot and stalker poke comes around 5:00-5:30.

DT comes around 7-8. If you scout double gas at or before 3:30, expect DT (or void, but a turret counters both).

TvT:
Banshee comes around 6-6:30, nothing else is very scary from Terran as long as you get a seige tank and made sure to build marines.

Become a master of timing and you will A) not lose games from being late getting detection or a bunker up in time and B) win by hitting people with timing attacks.

-Mazer

TL threaders: I know this is not a comprehensive list and that timing attacks can be held off by skilled players. However, in all honesty, the gap in skill between high diamond and low diamond is simply huge*. This post is to help someone get from Plat to mid-diamond.

*My theory being that many people find a cheese or gimmick to get them up to diamond, but fail to develop the true diamond level mechanics, control, and decision making necessary to win a non-cheese/gimmick game.



"I don't scout cheese, I just defend it." Suggy
edc
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States666 Posts
June 09 2011 00:08 GMT
#96
I remembered seeing a thread somewhere about the list of icons a TL user can get. It showed different ones for each race and how many posts were required to reach them. Can anyone provide me a link to it? I have searched frantically, but to no avail. Also, can you choose which icon you can have, as long as you unlocked it?
“There are two kinds of people in this world, those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.” - Clint Eastwood
RM_12
Profile Joined March 2011
201 Posts
June 09 2011 01:08 GMT
#97
Why there is no DJ wheat fanclub? And if there is, i can find only miniWheat's thread. Today on Live on three Wheat was droping some gems that should be posted ^^
edc
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States666 Posts
June 09 2011 01:10 GMT
#98
On June 09 2011 10:08 RM_12 wrote:
Why there is no DJ wheat fanclub? And if there is, i can find only miniWheat's thread. Today on Live on three Wheat was droping some gems that should be posted ^^

Make one yourself then .
“There are two kinds of people in this world, those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.” - Clint Eastwood
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 09 2011 05:57 GMT
#99
On June 09 2011 09:08 edc.initiative wrote:
I remembered seeing a thread somewhere about the list of icons a TL user can get. It showed different ones for each race and how many posts were required to reach them. Can anyone provide me a link to it? I have searched frantically, but to no avail. Also, can you choose which icon you can have, as long as you unlocked it?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165878&currentpage=189#3771

I knew I remembered seeing that. Cheers
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
June 09 2011 06:34 GMT
#100
On June 07 2011 08:04 RM_12 wrote:
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On June 07 2011 05:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On June 07 2011 05:07 RM_12 wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:40 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On June 06 2011 13:23 RM_12 wrote:
Why aren't top Protoss players using Phenix's PvT?

I recently played PvT when i was behind after his fast expo but i was able to keep colosus alive forever because of phenix in my unit mix, and he couldn't win any engagement, eventually loosing while 1 base up over me ^^. You usually go zealot-sentry-stalker-colosus and tech to templar but if you add 1 stargate and keep making phenix you suddenly win every engagement.

You can kill vikings without suiciding your stalkers to marauder ball, and kill medivacs. Also phenixes attacking vikings allow you to move forward with colossus to deal demage and not die in few viking shots. It's much easier to micro, and terran can't go marines (you have ever growing colossus count) and if they don't transition out of marauder ball you have the ability to add VR's and roflstomp Terran even harder.

Srsly they are not expensive and you don't even need to micro them, just a move and control ground battle with FF while your Phenixes just kill anything above the ground.

So i wonder, what is the biggest weakness of incorporating phenixes into standard chargelot-sentry-stalker-colosus that pro's don't use it?


This is your erroneous assumption, and one of the main reasons players don't incorporate phoenixes into their late-game armies.




The point is to add it in mid game, because they are great in late game composition (200/200) and they allow you to retain your colossus much much easier.


if the terran reacts well enough with 2 starport reactors then all they have to do is take out the colossus quickly before the vikings go down, emp the pheonixes, then they become useless

so basically they'll have marauders left over vs. your phoenixes with no energy


You don;t need energy on phenixes, you have them to only kill vikings and medivacs while making your other units survive ALOT longer (unless you are against tanks, then you need to dodge emp's which with phenix speed is easier than with any other unit)


What happens if the terran does a timing attack with pure bio in the midgame or goes pure bio + ghost in the late game? You won't have the gateway units or the colossi count to deal with it since all your gas will be eaten up in your phoenixes. Phoenix-Colossus compositions work best on maps where you can turtle in your natural and third (e.g. Terminus, Tal'Darim Altar, Scrap Station, etc.) and in situations where you force vikings (colossi before stargate, which is the opposite of your plan).

The issues are how to incorporate phoenixes into your overall gameplan and setting up your opponent to make that viking-heavy army.


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(colossi before stargate, which is the opposite of your plan


You misunderstood.

If you see no starport with observer, you won't add stargate. I'm talking about adding phenixes when you already have few colossi. They have short producton time and are not expensive for how usefull they become. If you open with robo and start colossus production relatively early, terran have to go for some timing or add vikings. If he goes for timing, you have units countering his units, if he adds starports and goes for late game you add stargate and gain upper hand in engagements, because it works out extremly well. I encourage everyone to try it and see how you can move forward with entire army without exposing your colossus nor stalkers.

When terran dodges colossi with marauder ball and moves vikings forward you have to move colossi back and get stalkers in range of vikings to snipe them leaving your stalkers in range of marauders while they are out of colossi range. When you add phenixes you can suddenly a-move and still beat this terran composition. It made HUGE difference for me in this MU, that's why i'm suprised it's not commonly used.

I use phoenix in the way you discribed in almost every late game PVT situation, they are so useful for taking out vikings, i always go for +1 attack so i need even less to take out larger amounts of vikings, even if he outnumbers me in vikings and kills all my phoenix it gives me enough time to do extensive damage with my collosus, incontrol used it in a game at MLG to decent effect i think, i cant remember if he won that game i think it was vs major he may have lost, but he stopped producing pheonix's in the laate laate game, maybe thats why he lost
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
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