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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
June 30 2011 10:32 GMT
#461
On June 30 2011 02:58 Baseic wrote:
Poll: Pylon to block zerg expo worth it?

Yes! (13)
 
48%

No (7)
 
26%

Yes, cybernetics core if possible also worth it. (7)
 
26%

27 total votes

Your vote: Pylon to block zerg expo worth it?

(Vote): No
(Vote): Yes!
(Vote): Yes, cybernetics core if possible also worth it.


Curious for this, and I don't think that it warrants its own topic


Really depends. As a Zerg, I voted no. I go 15 Pool / 15 Hatch MorroW-Style and I have a perfectly worked out back up plan in case this happens. I really don't feel it puts me significantly behind, but that's just the opinion of another platinum Zerg.

Also, because no one replied:
I've been experimenting with MorroW's ZvP which is basically an adjusted Spanishiwa build transitioning into Ling/BLing/Infestor with +2/+2 baneling drops and a lot of drop / counter attack antics in general.

While I like the build itself a lot, I am not too confident with the Infestor transition. You have to multitask a lot to make this build effective and not having your macro totally collapse is hard enough. Handling the infestors just seems to be a little bit too much for me. I've been trying to get Mutalisks (and eventually BLords and Cracklings) instead of Infestors to enhance the distractive side of this build in order to get more baneling drops going.

While I have had huge success with it, I am not too sure wether it's just my opponents being goldish level suckers as I myself or if it is a good idea to transition into Muta in general. Sometimes, my opponent just decides to do a desperation attack with all the stuff he has left and I find myself struggling against that if I spend most of my gas on Mutas instead of banelings, just because they lack the raw fighting ability of infestors. (Sounds contraintuitive, but is actually pretty accurate, from what I feel.)

Have you seen anyone... well, legit do this? I know MutaLing is a common style, especially Moon and July use them with great success, but I just love my little baneling shenanigans. So to sum the question up: is it viable? I would hate to learn to play that style successfully and find out that in retrospect I should just have sticked with something that actually works once I get promoted.

BTW: sorry if that's the wrong place to ask, I just felt that the strategy forum was the wrong place. A replay of one of my games is not gonna get me this question answered properly.
currently rooting for myself.
DennyR
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany379 Posts
June 30 2011 12:41 GMT
#462
Is the SCV Life Puma the same Puma that kicked ret out of courage?
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
June 30 2011 12:43 GMT
#463
On June 30 2011 21:41 DennyR wrote:
Is the SCV Life Puma the same Puma that kicked ret out of courage?



yeah,that BW player....
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 30 2011 12:46 GMT
#464
Why was he kicked out of courage?
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
June 30 2011 16:58 GMT
#465
courage? is that a clan or what?
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Sharkey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
668 Posts
June 30 2011 17:40 GMT
#466
On July 01 2011 01:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
courage? is that a clan or what?


Courage is a league in BW.
If anyone has any serious prayer requests please PM me. Thx.
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
June 30 2011 19:30 GMT
#467
On July 01 2011 02:40 Sharkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 01:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
courage? is that a clan or what?


Courage is a league in BW.

Courage is a Tournament to get your pro-gaming license
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
XXhkXX
Profile Joined June 2011
170 Posts
June 30 2011 20:55 GMT
#468
Does anyone know a solution to getting out of being ladder locked other than waiting for a new season?
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
June 30 2011 22:12 GMT
#469
On July 01 2011 05:55 XXhkXX wrote:
Does anyone know a solution to getting out of being ladder locked other than waiting for a new season?

To what extent is it locked? I've been promoted just yesterday.
currently rooting for myself.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 30 2011 22:22 GMT
#470
On June 17 2011 03:24 Scipaeus121212 wrote:
I wonder what people/tournaments think about programs that basically switch keys around (for example when you click shift it counts as alt and vice versa) and mouse keys? I plan on playing about as seriously as it gets, so I want to make sure I use the best hotkey setup I can when I start.

I'd think that it's fine, despite the fact that this might give an advantage possibly not avaliable to some (particularly the mouse keys), so do many other factors like different gear, bigger monitor or faster computer, but I just want to make sure I don't get used to something not allowed.

Sorry for quoting myself, but Im really interested in the answer and this question is burried too deep to be found out now. ^^
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
XXhkXX
Profile Joined June 2011
170 Posts
June 30 2011 22:38 GMT
#471
On July 01 2011 07:12 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 05:55 XXhkXX wrote:
Does anyone know a solution to getting out of being ladder locked other than waiting for a new season?

To what extent is it locked? I've been promoted just yesterday.


Well I mean that I'm stuck in first place gold, but still vsing plat players. I guess its not as severely blocked as when i was in bronze last season vsing gold players >>
iLose4u
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden24 Posts
June 30 2011 22:42 GMT
#472
Is scouting with barracks viable against Zerg? Barracks (150 minerals+lost mining time for SCV), while a mule instead of a scan generates roughly 270 minerals.
Not attacking your opponent is generally not a viable strategy.
Ronthecat
Profile Joined June 2011
4 Posts
July 01 2011 01:13 GMT
#473
On June 30 2011 10:10 Baseic wrote:
Current streams are aimed at decent players, they would not need it, see it as an explanation of soccer during the world championships, it would just look silly, well that's how I'd feel about it.


Ok, *shrug*. I would hope they wouldn't look silly / stupid if they were well done, even to decent players. A player streaming his ladder matches wouldn't need/want anything like this. I'm talking more for tournaments, big and small that are streamed. So many people are trying to grow e-sports and get more attention for Starcraft 2. I'd like to promote it on the viewing side of things, the people that show some interest but simply are not gamers, which is most of my friends. You don't have to play soccer to enjoy watching it. But like I said, it's hard for me to ad-lib explain things / convey general information about the game's format, units, etc, while the games are going on and the screen is moving all over the place and there's so much to cover. Visual aid plus brief description every once in a while = better imo. I've noticed a few casters have been actively trying to keep the un-initiated in the loop by occasionally explaining certain tactics, terminology or abilities in a manner that non-players / complete noobs can understand. I don't want it for the players, the die-hards, I want it for everyone else who might turn into the occasional stream viewer, a NASL/Gomtv subscriber, and grow the audience for e-sports and SC2 in particular. If SC2 had the popularity of soccer/hockey/etc then it might look frivolous/silly as you suggest, it's still easier for a non-sports fan to more or less follow a soccer or hockey match than it is a game of SC2, there are so many units, abilities, tactics, etc, beyond "ball goes in the net = goal" and "most goals when the timer runs out = wins". I wouldn't suggest anything like this for a FPS as it's easy enough to follow, see guy, shoot guy, change to one of a few weapons and explain the few weapon choices. I think it was at a MLG or ICCup? where they had some quick spots on the maps to be played, outlining the choke points and back door rocks, etc. Doesn't mean much to me, didn't look silly either, but at an event like that it helps the non-SC2 players, the non-gamers that are watching. Admittedly they weren't super well done but still good enough to give the viewer a good idea of what tactics are favored on a particular map and why. Generic tid-bits of information that can be used for filler couldn't hurt?

only one comment. InControL you've been pushing hard to grow e-sports, if you read this what's your take? ^.^
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 01:18:02
July 01 2011 01:16 GMT
#474
Yeah it's pretty fucking annoying to get scouted by a rax. Two queens take half a week to kill it. So yeah, a rax scout is pretty viable. Just build the rax close to the zerg base so the travel time is short.

Ronthecat.. I don't know about your time zone but for me to wake up at 5:10am (EST) to watch the GSL live I'd say I'm pretty try/die hard :D
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
July 01 2011 01:45 GMT
#475
hey guys I'm looking to play some SC2 again but all my RL friends have quit. Can anyone recommend some good channels to hangout, meet people and get some games going?
Marines > everything
Baseic
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands310 Posts
July 01 2011 10:35 GMT
#476
On July 01 2011 10:13 Ronthecat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 10:10 Baseic wrote:
Current streams are aimed at decent players, they would not need it, see it as an explanation of soccer during the world championships, it would just look silly, well that's how I'd feel about it.


Ok, *shrug*. I would hope they wouldn't look silly / stupid if they were well done, even to decent players. A player streaming his ladder matches wouldn't need/want anything like this. I'm talking more for tournaments, big and small that are streamed. So many people are trying to grow e-sports and get more attention for Starcraft 2. I'd like to promote it on the viewing side of things, the people that show some interest but simply are not gamers, which is most of my friends. You don't have to play soccer to enjoy watching it. But like I said, it's hard for me to ad-lib explain things / convey general information about the game's format, units, etc, while the games are going on and the screen is moving all over the place and there's so much to cover. Visual aid plus brief description every once in a while = better imo. I've noticed a few casters have been actively trying to keep the un-initiated in the loop by occasionally explaining certain tactics, terminology or abilities in a manner that non-players / complete noobs can understand. I don't want it for the players, the die-hards, I want it for everyone else who might turn into the occasional stream viewer, a NASL/Gomtv subscriber, and grow the audience for e-sports and SC2 in particular. If SC2 had the popularity of soccer/hockey/etc then it might look frivolous/silly as you suggest, it's still easier for a non-sports fan to more or less follow a soccer or hockey match than it is a game of SC2, there are so many units, abilities, tactics, etc, beyond "ball goes in the net = goal" and "most goals when the timer runs out = wins". I wouldn't suggest anything like this for a FPS as it's easy enough to follow, see guy, shoot guy, change to one of a few weapons and explain the few weapon choices. I think it was at a MLG or ICCup? where they had some quick spots on the maps to be played, outlining the choke points and back door rocks, etc. Doesn't mean much to me, didn't look silly either, but at an event like that it helps the non-SC2 players, the non-gamers that are watching. Admittedly they weren't super well done but still good enough to give the viewer a good idea of what tactics are favored on a particular map and why. Generic tid-bits of information that can be used for filler couldn't hurt?

only one comment. InControL you've been pushing hard to grow e-sports, if you read this what's your take? ^.^

Well you do have a point there, but it has to be executed perfectly to not look silly, I already know how the reactions would be when they mess it up.
Etc.
rbkl
Profile Joined March 2010
772 Posts
July 01 2011 11:42 GMT
#477
On July 01 2011 10:45 vnlegend wrote:
hey guys I'm looking to play some SC2 again but all my RL friends have quit. Can anyone recommend some good channels to hangout, meet people and get some games going?


"Teamliquid" is pretty populated on NA
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Ronthecat
Profile Joined June 2011
4 Posts
July 01 2011 13:07 GMT
#478
Probe1 haha yeah I think getting non-gamers to the point of watching the gsl live would make them hard-core, but it would be great to be able to get people into viewing SC2 competitive play to the point that they might pick up a gomtv pass to watch some of the vods from the top matchs/finals!

Baseic Very true, my initial thought would be for Blizzard to produce them and I was going to suggest it could be available from the Media section on the official SC2 website. But I just went there and I decided to watch the the "overview" videos of the races. They're not super long but seem to do a good job of conveying a lot of general information without going into any details. But they do mention main details of each unit, hydras shoot spines, roaches are armored, while showing gameplay of them in action. Next time an opportunity arises I'll play one of them for a friend and get their take on it. It's not exactly what I was looking for, they talk about Kerrigan, etc, but close enough. Can't believe I hadn't watched those overview videos before!
Moxi
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
708 Posts
July 01 2011 16:12 GMT
#479
On July 01 2011 20:42 rbkl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 10:45 vnlegend wrote:
hey guys I'm looking to play some SC2 again but all my RL friends have quit. Can anyone recommend some good channels to hangout, meet people and get some games going?


"Teamliquid" is pretty populated on NA


EU as well, always full.
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
July 01 2011 17:48 GMT
#480
anyone know if Select plays Starcraft full time?
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