• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:37
CEST 06:37
KST 13:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End2Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
GSTL Returns in 2026!41Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-611
StarCraft 2
General
GSTL Returns in 2026! Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End Rush's Odyssey Controversy StarCraft 64 is coming to Philly at SC4ALL II Best Games Kespa era
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! ASL Season 22 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary [ASL22] Ro24 Group A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8739 users

[June] SC2 General Discussion - Page 22

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 20 21 22 23 24 25 Next All
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 22:00:47
June 27 2011 21:58 GMT
#421
I've been experimenting with MorroW's ZvP which is basically an adjusted Spanishiwa build transitioning into Ling/BLing/Infestor with +2/+2 baneling drops and a lot of drop / counter attack antics in general.

While I like the build itself a lot, I am not too confident with the Infestor transition. You have to multitask a lot to make this build effective and not having your macro totally collapse is hard enough. Handling the infestors just seems to be a little bit too much for me. I've been trying to get Mutalisks (and eventually BLords and Cracklings) instead of Infestors to enhance the distractive side of this build in order to get more baneling drops going.

While I have had huge success with it, I am not too sure wether it's just my opponents being goldish level suckers as I myself or if it is a good idea to transition into Muta in general. Sometimes, my opponent just decides to do a desperation attack with all the stuff he has left and I find myself struggling against that if I spend most of my gas on Mutas instead of banelings.

Have you seen anyone... well, legit do this? I know MutaLing is a common style, especially Moon and July use them with great success, but I just love my little baneling shenanigans. So to sum the question up: is it viable? I would hate to learn to play that style successfully and find out that in retrospect I should just have sticked with something that actually works once I get promoted.

BTW: sorry if that's the wrong place to ask, I just felt that the strategy forum was the wrong place. A replay of one of my games is not gonna get me this question answered properly.
currently rooting for myself.
nShade
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria296 Posts
June 28 2011 09:07 GMT
#422
Just a quick question.
When you get to play a PvsP on Metalopolis and are scared of cannon rushes, why don't
players just put their 1st pylon behind their mineral line, as close as possible to the cliff.
That way you can see the proxy pylon as soon as the cannon rusher places it.

I do that every time on Metalopolis and Xel'Naga Caverns.

Is there any reason not to? :S
Razith
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada431 Posts
June 28 2011 16:12 GMT
#423
So I'm looking into my control group setup and I think it needs to be reworked. Currently I use this:

1 - CC's
2 - Main Army
3 - Rax/Fact/Star
4 - Seconday Army
5 - Special units
6 to 0 - Upgrades / scouts, general purpose

I'm decently quick with these keybindings (around 100apm) but I'm finding my army control is lacking and this is going to be problematic, considering I threw production buildings inbetween my army bindings (2a4a5a?). I was reading old posts about pro/common setups, in which they generally use 1,2,3 army, 4,5,6 production, but after trying 1a2a3a and the other bindings with my production facilities, it didn't seem fluid at all for me.

What I'm considering doing is swapping 2 and 3, making 3 my whole army and bumping up the others 1 binding for the specific units bindings. It'd look like this:

1 - CC's
2 - Productions
3 - Whole army
4 - Main army
5 - Secondary army
6 - Special units
7 to 0 - General purpose

From here, I can tap 1,2,3, to peek through my production then land on my main army so I can keep them mobile, then when the fight comes I can simply shift my hand to 4,5,6 where 4a(t)5a6a feels a lot more natural. Thoughts?
rolfe
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
June 28 2011 19:34 GMT
#424
On June 28 2011 18:07 nShade wrote:
Just a quick question.
When you get to play a PvsP on Metalopolis and are scared of cannon rushes, why don't
players just put their 1st pylon behind their mineral line, as close as possible to the cliff.
That way you can see the proxy pylon as soon as the cannon rusher places it.

I do that every time on Metalopolis and Xel'Naga Caverns.

Is there any reason not to? :S

i think some players do, incontrol mentioned and did it on his stream a few days ago i think. i guess cannon rushes aren't that common at that level of play though.
life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously but there it is. Life finds a way
Sharkey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
668 Posts
June 28 2011 20:31 GMT
#425
Who do you think is the strongest in each match-up? My, uninformed, opinions below:

TvZ - MMA (sC or MKP?)
TvP - Polt (SuperNova, Bomber?)
TvT - MVP

ZvT - DRG
ZvP - Losira (Nestea?)
ZvZ - Nestea

PvT - Alicia
PvZ - MC
PvP - MC (Inca?)

Thoughts?
If anyone has any serious prayer requests please PM me. Thx.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 28 2011 22:08 GMT
#426
Is the ladder fixed yet? I have a goal before season 3 and I'm getting irritated by Blizzard goalblocking me. I want mah points.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
DarkSkyes
Profile Joined January 2011
United States19 Posts
June 28 2011 22:22 GMT
#427
On June 29 2011 04:34 rolfe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 18:07 nShade wrote:
Just a quick question.
When you get to play a PvsP on Metalopolis and are scared of cannon rushes, why don't
players just put their 1st pylon behind their mineral line, as close as possible to the cliff.
That way you can see the proxy pylon as soon as the cannon rusher places it.

I do that every time on Metalopolis and Xel'Naga Caverns.

Is there any reason not to? :S

i think some players do, incontrol mentioned and did it on his stream a few days ago i think. i guess cannon rushes aren't that common at that level of play though.


Alot of good players do. But for me i honestly don't think about it until its too late.
Brotoss
JawHun
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States151 Posts
June 28 2011 22:31 GMT
#428
On June 29 2011 07:22 DarkSkyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 04:34 rolfe wrote:
On June 28 2011 18:07 nShade wrote:
Just a quick question.
When you get to play a PvsP on Metalopolis and are scared of cannon rushes, why don't
players just put their 1st pylon behind their mineral line, as close as possible to the cliff.
That way you can see the proxy pylon as soon as the cannon rusher places it.

I do that every time on Metalopolis and Xel'Naga Caverns.

Is there any reason not to? :S

i think some players do, incontrol mentioned and did it on his stream a few days ago i think. i guess cannon rushes aren't that common at that level of play though.


Alot of good players do. But for me i honestly don't think about it until its too late.



I'd say that it's less common in higher levels of play, but also because strong players often scout their entire base anyway. It seems to me if you get too much into the habit of using that pylon, you might not be looking for other in base cheese. Better to get in the habit of scouting every match rather than relying on building placement.
kodas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 22:39:51
June 28 2011 22:39 GMT
#429
I'm starting to feel burnt out on starcraft and i'm not sure what I can do to reignite my passion that I once had.I've been trying to switch to other races and I can't handle the learning curve and the losing streak it normally causes. Any mental tricks to try and help get past this? (1.1k masters T) (about a diamond zerg now)
Get paper, fuck bitches, smoke trees, mass thors.
Baseic
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands310 Posts
June 28 2011 22:47 GMT
#430
On June 29 2011 07:39 kodas wrote:
I'm starting to feel burnt out on starcraft and i'm not sure what I can do to reignite my passion that I once had.I've been trying to switch to other races and I can't handle the learning curve and the losing streak it normally causes. Any mental tricks to try and help get past this? (1.1k masters T) (about a diamond zerg now)

Costum games, team games, random or maybe if you like hardcore practice you could try and find a practice partner to practice 1 build all night long.
Etc.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 22:53:41
June 28 2011 22:52 GMT
#431
On June 29 2011 07:39 kodas wrote:
I'm starting to feel burnt out on starcraft and i'm not sure what I can do to reignite my passion that I once had.I've been trying to switch to other races and I can't handle the learning curve and the losing streak it normally causes. Any mental tricks to try and help get past this? (1.1k masters T) (about a diamond zerg now)

lol this sounds like a low testosterone/ED commercial

I would recommend just trying to improve. Think about a strategy you would like to do against X race, and get some good practice partners to practice with. Once you have perfected that strategy move onto another one. I fell this really helps a lot since sometimes laddering can often be:

10 pool
baneling bust
roach/sling all in (1base)
^ (2base)
4gate
double proxy gate
6gate with +1 and blink
tank marine all in
marine scv allin
good macro game
repeat above

However, if you feel like just being silly, be silly. Nobody cares how many points or what rank you are in your division except for you. Try to set mini goals or do crazy stuff (inbase hatchery, mass queen, mass nexus (lol)). And try to get away with it for the lolz. But the most important thing is this: Don't play the game just for the sake of playing it. If you're not enjoying it then do something else for a while until you want to play SC again. I don't write advice posts like this too often. Hope it helped!
mavsfan0041
Profile Joined February 2011
United States306 Posts
June 29 2011 01:13 GMT
#432
On June 29 2011 01:12 Razith wrote:
So I'm looking into my control group setup and I think it needs to be reworked. Currently I use this:

1 - CC's
2 - Main Army
3 - Rax/Fact/Star
4 - Seconday Army
5 - Special units
6 to 0 - Upgrades / scouts, general purpose

I'm decently quick with these keybindings (around 100apm) but I'm finding my army control is lacking and this is going to be problematic, considering I threw production buildings inbetween my army bindings (2a4a5a?). I was reading old posts about pro/common setups, in which they generally use 1,2,3 army, 4,5,6 production, but after trying 1a2a3a and the other bindings with my production facilities, it didn't seem fluid at all for me.

What I'm considering doing is swapping 2 and 3, making 3 my whole army and bumping up the others 1 binding for the specific units bindings. It'd look like this:

1 - CC's
2 - Productions
3 - Whole army
4 - Main army
5 - Secondary army
6 - Special units
7 to 0 - General purpose

From here, I can tap 1,2,3, to peek through my production then land on my main army so I can keep them mobile, then when the fight comes I can simply shift my hand to 4,5,6 where 4a(t)5a6a feels a lot more natural. Thoughts?


I used to play Terran so I suppose I can say something about this. I personally don't like having all of my production on one hotkey. When I play T my hotkeys went
1- Part of army
2- Part of army
3- Special units
4- CC
5- Barracks
6- Facts
7- Ports
8-0 Unused

I don't feel like you really need to hotkey your amories/engineering bays because you only use them a couple times a game, but I guess it doesn't really hurt. It really just comes down to personal preference. I like just being able to reach straight up the keyboard and access my army, but if 3-6 feels good for you, then by all means go for it.
R.I.P. CheckSix
HamzasSister
Profile Joined February 2011
United States26 Posts
June 29 2011 02:25 GMT
#433
I was wondering (and had no idea where I should post it) but does APM spamming with a macro on your mouse get you a bannable offense? I saw someone doing it in a game where his apm spiked to 7 thousand and knew it was his mouse, after talking to some friends i realized my mouse could do the same. So i macroed my right click button to right click a ton of times and I went into a custom game vs AI and tested it and got my apm to 40 thousand. I never used it against someone and I dont see how it could help because it actually was hard to control. There is nothing to worry about right? I never have used macros with sc2 other than this and this was rather useless if you ask me i just wanted to try it.
ATCSurvivor
Profile Joined April 2011
France33 Posts
June 29 2011 06:22 GMT
#434
Why would blizzard ban someone for having 40k apm ? Its a tip or a default in the game.

I think.
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 06:27:36
June 29 2011 06:25 GMT
#435
GORILLA TERRAN HWAITING <3<3<3
"En taro adun, Executor."
iaretehnoob
Profile Joined June 2004
Sweden741 Posts
June 29 2011 13:00 GMT
#436
[image loading]

Well, maybe this belongs in the rage thead. maybe it doesn't belong anywhere at all. But seriously, how can bnet 0.2 be that bad? (first time this happened to me, is this a "standard" bnet error?)
creamer
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada128 Posts
June 29 2011 13:38 GMT
#437
On June 29 2011 22:00 iaretehnoob wrote:
[image loading]

Well, maybe this belongs in the rage thead. maybe it doesn't belong anywhere at all. But seriously, how can bnet 0.2 be that bad? (first time this happened to me, is this a "standard" bnet error?)


Seen this happen (fortunately not to me). Extremely unlucky and sad on BNET's part imo. Terrible to see this happen sorry but I think this is a known error hopefully get's fixed soon.
MKP - Best player of all time
EpicMonkey
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands23 Posts
June 29 2011 14:07 GMT
#438
What's up with the matchmaking system guys? Even matches are not even. Check out these screens I took after a match.

http://koen.goedemondt.com/00001.png
Polt fighting!
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
June 29 2011 14:25 GMT
#439
On June 29 2011 23:07 EpicMonkey wrote:
What's up with the matchmaking system guys? Even matches are not even. Check out these screens I took after a match.

http://koen.goedemondt.com/00001.png


Matchmaking is determined by MMR, not games played, points, division, avatar, or any other factor.
I cant stop lactating
EpicMonkey
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands23 Posts
June 29 2011 14:38 GMT
#440
On June 29 2011 23:25 _Darwin_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 23:07 EpicMonkey wrote:
What's up with the matchmaking system guys? Even matches are not even. Check out these screens I took after a match.

http://koen.goedemondt.com/00001.png


Matchmaking is determined by MMR, not games played, points, division, avatar, or any other factor.


What is the factor that determines your MMR?
Polt fighting!
Prev 1 20 21 22 23 24 25 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #20
Liquipedia
IPSL
16:00
CSLAN Day 2
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft608
NeuroSwarm 204
Nina 81
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 4577
sorry 65
Noble 23
Icarus 6
Britney 0
Dota 2
febbydoto47
League of Legends
JimRising 613
Counter-Strike
summit1g8382
taco 530
minikerr36
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King141
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick939
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH335
• practicex 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 90
• Azhi_Dahaki6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2677
• lizZardDota2109
League of Legends
• Rush1053
• Stunt345
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
5h 23m
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
6h 23m
The Patches Monday
11h 23m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 5h
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
GSL
1d 6h
PiGosaur Cup
1d 19h
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLAN 4
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
ASL Season 22
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
Escore Tournament S3: W8
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.