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EDIT: I want to thank all the responses so far and the fact that there has not been a flame war. Obviously it could have gone that way quickly yet the biggest argument thus far has been about MC who won't even be at MLG (this has since changed), so I appreciate that you guys have kept it flame free! Kudos to you. I understand with the way the internet goes why there are so many replies of "close the thread its a flame war waiting to happen" to preemptively avoid flaming, but if threads are preemptively shut down that isn't helping anyone. I understand and agree if one starts that a mod should and will shut this down immediately and I appreciate that it hasn't been...yet. Most of you have the right idea that if you fear listing players that are on your bottom three for any reason, then don't list them!
I wanted to hear some responses to who people HOPE to win and who you HOPE to fail at Columbus this weekend. Note--There is a difference between expecting and hoping. We expect the koreans to kick ass and chew bubble gum, but I don't know that many of us are hoping that happens.
Also note: To win doesn't necessarily mean the entire thing. Making it to the championship bracket is a win in most players books
For me:
To win!
Destiny--Before Dallas on SOTG the pillars basically said hes good but not great and won't do well, he doesn't take practice very seriously, etc. Well he has now qualified for IPL2 (something Tyler failed to do) and I hope this gives him some confidence to tear up the open bracket. Hopefully this time he doesn't let any spires die from being off of creep...
Tyler--This guy needs a win. Rumors of him quitting (which he denied on SOTG), and I dont want him to. Mostly because it would be bad for esports if he did, but either way. I want him to do well enough to reinvigorate his play and stop himself from feeling like he isn't performing to his own standards
Catz-- I split him away from destiny to make it look like im not Root or zerg biased...but I am. He took a game off MC which means he can at least make a good showing against the best in the world and hes generally just a nice and funny guy.
To fail!
Gretorp--Dear god, the guy has the 16th seed for Dallas because 2 people decide not so show and then he goes something like 2-5 (by all means correct me, but I'm pretty confident it was a very losing record) and gets 16th seed again. Someone please just knock him out of the pool play already. I don't mind him as a person so much, but just based on results and continued "success" in MLG it makes me sad that the system works in a way where someone can have pretty bad results, but still get seeded.
Major--Anyone who thinks they deserve to get paid based on non-existent results deserves to get a swift kick in the teeth. Couple that with the rumored/theorized hacking and consistent team jumping...While I would never hope bad things on Artosis, I want his first recruitment to end in a very early exit from Columbus.
1-2 Koreans--Everyone knows they are extremely good but I wouldn't mind watching a few of them get destroyed if for nothing more than to give a bit more confidence to the west. Even after the WC Team portion almost every western tournament is still a tournament without koreans, and therefore tier 2. Heres to hoping a few are put in their place this weekend. The only problem I see with this is if they do get destroyed everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best" but at least players like bomber, MMA, losira are considered among the top and can't forget the super secret unannounced but still known + Show Spoiler + who is sure to tear apart the open bracket.
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On June 02 2011 04:31 neo_sporin wrote:I wanted to hear some responses to who people HOPE to win and who you HOPE to fail at Columbus this weekend. Note--There is a difference between expecting and hoping. We expect the koreans to kick ass and chew bubble gum, but I don't know that many of us are hoping that happens. Also note: To win doesn't necessarily mean the entire thing. Making it to the championship bracket is a win in most players books For me: To win! Destiny--Before Dallas on SOTG the pillars basically said hes good but not great and won't do well, he doesn't take practice very seriouslt, etc. Well he has now qualified for IPL2 (something Tyler failed to do) and I hope this gives him some confidence to tear up the open bracket. Hopefully this time he doesn't let any spires die from being off of creep... Tyler--This guy needs a win. Rumors of him quitting (which he denied on SOTG), and I dont want him to. Mostly because it would be bad for esports if he did, but either way. I want him to do well enough to reinvigorate his play and stop himself from feeling like he isn't performing to his own standards Catz-- I split him away from destiny to make it look like im not Root or zerg biased...but I am. He took a game off MC which means he can at least make a good showing against the best in the world and hes generally just a nice and funny guy. To fail! Gretorp--Dear god, the guy has the 16th seed for Dallas because 2 people decide not so show and then he goes something like 2-5 (by all means correct me, but I'm pretty confident it was a very losing record) and gets 16th seed again. Someone please just knock him out of the pool play already. I don't mind him as a person so much, but just based on results and continued "success" in MLG it makes me sad that the system works in a way where someone can have pretty bad results, but still get seeded. Major--Anyone who thinks they deserve to get paid based on non-existent results deserves to get a swift kick in the teeth. Couple that with the rumored/theorized hacking and consistent team jumping...While I would never hope bad things on Artosis, I want his first recruitment to end in a very early exit from Columbus. 1-2 Koreans--Everyone knows they are extremely good but I wouldn't mind watching a few of them get destroyed if for nothing more than to give a bit more confidence to the west. Even after the WC Team portion almost every western tournament is still a tournament without koreans, and therefore tier 2. Heres to hoping a few are put in their place this weekend. The only problem I see with this is if they do get destroyed everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best" but at least players like bomber, MMA, losira are considered among the top and can't forget the super secret unannounced but still known + Show Spoiler + who is sure to tear apart the open bracket.
You don't find and grow new talent by not paying and accommodating it. Big time sports pay rookies very well if they have a lot of potential. If you see the same in a player SC 2 should be no different. Don't blame him for wanting some kind of financial support.
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People to succeed:all the team liquid players that will be there, Root gaming, and Dignitas.
People to fail epically:Only Moon, and Losira(mma, bomber, and the CSN hopeful can do well i hope...)
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to win: Mr.bitter idrA and catZ(in that order mr.bitter being first place)
to fail: Cruncher any terran and any toss besides cruncher
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"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC MOD EDIT: It was 3-2
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To win:
Demuslim, major, thorzain
To lose:
Catz, Destiny, Tyler
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Having a hope to fail section is just asking for trouble.
What is the point in a thread like that? If I say I hope Destiny, Idra, and Bomber don't win a single game, the thread will turn to shit in a matter of seconds.
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On June 02 2011 04:33 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:31 neo_sporin wrote:I wanted to hear some responses to who people HOPE to win and who you HOPE to fail at Columbus this weekend. Note--There is a difference between expecting and hoping. We expect the koreans to kick ass and chew bubble gum, but I don't know that many of us are hoping that happens. Also note: To win doesn't necessarily mean the entire thing. Making it to the championship bracket is a win in most players books For me: To win! Destiny--Before Dallas on SOTG the pillars basically said hes good but not great and won't do well, he doesn't take practice very seriouslt, etc. Well he has now qualified for IPL2 (something Tyler failed to do) and I hope this gives him some confidence to tear up the open bracket. Hopefully this time he doesn't let any spires die from being off of creep... Tyler--This guy needs a win. Rumors of him quitting (which he denied on SOTG), and I dont want him to. Mostly because it would be bad for esports if he did, but either way. I want him to do well enough to reinvigorate his play and stop himself from feeling like he isn't performing to his own standards Catz-- I split him away from destiny to make it look like im not Root or zerg biased...but I am. He took a game off MC which means he can at least make a good showing against the best in the world and hes generally just a nice and funny guy. To fail! Gretorp--Dear god, the guy has the 16th seed for Dallas because 2 people decide not so show and then he goes something like 2-5 (by all means correct me, but I'm pretty confident it was a very losing record) and gets 16th seed again. Someone please just knock him out of the pool play already. I don't mind him as a person so much, but just based on results and continued "success" in MLG it makes me sad that the system works in a way where someone can have pretty bad results, but still get seeded. Major--Anyone who thinks they deserve to get paid based on non-existent results deserves to get a swift kick in the teeth. Couple that with the rumored/theorized hacking and consistent team jumping...While I would never hope bad things on Artosis, I want his first recruitment to end in a very early exit from Columbus. 1-2 Koreans--Everyone knows they are extremely good but I wouldn't mind watching a few of them get destroyed if for nothing more than to give a bit more confidence to the west. Even after the WC Team portion almost every western tournament is still a tournament without koreans, and therefore tier 2. Heres to hoping a few are put in their place this weekend. The only problem I see with this is if they do get destroyed everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best" but at least players like bomber, MMA, losira are considered among the top and can't forget the super secret unannounced but still known + Show Spoiler + who is sure to tear apart the open bracket. You don't find and grow new talent by not paying and accommodating it. Big time sports pay rookies very well if they have a lot of potential. If you see the same in a player SC 2 should be no different. Don't blame him for wanting some kind of financial support.
That's fine Serpio but I believe the problem neo_sporin has with Gosi[Terran] isn't with him getting/wanting more sponsorship money but the way he publicly attacked former teams because he felt he deserved more after understanding terms full well just weeks before.
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I'd love to see Gretorp do well because, as indicated by OP, he's an underdog. He is a high master on KR and I have been very impressed by his play on stream. If nerves don't get the better, I think he will surprise some people.
As for Major, while I have my own reasons for not rooting for him, your justification being that he has yet to win anything seems very mean-spirited to me.
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On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC
Have you heard of a factor called latency?
at Copenhagen games LAN MC 4-0ed Kas
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On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC
Do not think MC got 3-0ed, please dont make false statements.
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Win:
SeleCT, Moon, MC, NaNiwa (if he's there)
Lose:
Idra, Major, Gretorp, Incontrol,
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I want everyone's favourite player to win and I want everyone's least favourite player to lose.
I would like to see Haypro come out and wreck everyone to build his confidence like Jinro did, that would make for another magical MLG moment! He doesn't have to win, just place decently, it could be a nudge that gets him on his BW form.
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I hope idra, murder and someone completely unknown win
i dont hope anyone loses but I do dislike seeing underserving people in the top 16
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I think the better player should win and the ones that don't play good to come in second and third. I also don't see the point in thinly vieled shit talking threads.
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To win:
LosirA ('cause he's amazing)
Tyler ('cause his moping needs to go away)
Sheth ('cause he's awesome)
Lose:
Gretorp (his long-winded, oft-incorrect commentary annoys me)
SixJax (don't like the mercenary feel of the team)
The other Koreans (or the foreign scene loses all credibility)
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to win:
bomber
What is there to say? bomber is an absolutely amazing terran. Won GSL code A over MVP, plays very well
MMA
amazing terran, I guess called "the legend killer" He has very solid play and I don't see many foreigners being able to compete with him.
Idra
Absolutely amazing player, 2nd best zerg in the world in my opinion (first being nestea) He's been playing so well latley, I really don't see many of the MLG players being able to beat him.
to lose:
destiny. He is a player with very much hype about him from his fans and teamamtes, but really has he shown any results? I'm very certain he won't even make it half way thru the open bracket.
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This thread will just produce flame wars as people protect there favourites and trash on people they don't like.
Ill just say who im rooting for  . - Haypro (I want to see some results as everyone in the pro scene speaks very highly of him). DeMuslim (Hes British :D). MorroW (I'm a fanboy). Dignitas team (I love SelecT, Sjow and Naniwa, also there a British organisation :D).
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On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:Thorzain 3-0 MC
WTF?
How exactly were you watching TSL?
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On June 02 2011 04:43 Benjef wrote:
This thread will just produce flame wars as people protect there favourites and trash on people they don't like.
yea i agree!
why would you say who you want to faiL? thats just immature imo.
i hope demuslim wins.
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On June 02 2011 04:35 Drazzyo wrote:
to win: Mr.bitter idrA and catZ(in that order mr.bitter being first place)
to fail: Cruncher any terran and any toss besides cruncher
What? To fail: Cruncher.... and any toss besides cruncher... don't you find this really contradicting. But me personally i hope the liquid guys do well and i can't really say i want anyone to fail.
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On June 02 2011 04:40 AgentSmith wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Have you heard of a factor called latency? at Copenhagen games LAN MC 4-0ed Kas
Thorzain beat MC when he was in Europe for Dreamhack I believe, tired of people blaming lag for koreons losing.
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To do well:
Demuslim: I'm a sucker for comeback stories, plus he's always been a solid terran.
MMA: The guy seems incapable of playing a boring series, hopefully he can keep that up.
The CSN winner: One of my favorite koreans, cannot wait to see him play again.
To do poorly:
Destiny: He just rubs me the wrong way, plus I feel he is rather overrated
Moon: There were plenty of koreans I think deserved the spot more than moon, especially since he isn't even in code a, but he is a big name that could draw people, so it makes sense to send him, I just don't care for it.
Drewbie: He BMs alot of his opponents, and it's not even that funny like some players. Plus he retired painuser 
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To Win
Tyler, TLO, Drewbie
To Lose
Cruncher, Naniwa, Losira
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On June 02 2011 04:38 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:33 Serpico wrote:On June 02 2011 04:31 neo_sporin wrote:I wanted to hear some responses to who people HOPE to win and who you HOPE to fail at Columbus this weekend. Note--There is a difference between expecting and hoping. We expect the koreans to kick ass and chew bubble gum, but I don't know that many of us are hoping that happens. Also note: To win doesn't necessarily mean the entire thing. Making it to the championship bracket is a win in most players books For me: To win! Destiny--Before Dallas on SOTG the pillars basically said hes good but not great and won't do well, he doesn't take practice very seriouslt, etc. Well he has now qualified for IPL2 (something Tyler failed to do) and I hope this gives him some confidence to tear up the open bracket. Hopefully this time he doesn't let any spires die from being off of creep... Tyler--This guy needs a win. Rumors of him quitting (which he denied on SOTG), and I dont want him to. Mostly because it would be bad for esports if he did, but either way. I want him to do well enough to reinvigorate his play and stop himself from feeling like he isn't performing to his own standards Catz-- I split him away from destiny to make it look like im not Root or zerg biased...but I am. He took a game off MC which means he can at least make a good showing against the best in the world and hes generally just a nice and funny guy. To fail! Gretorp--Dear god, the guy has the 16th seed for Dallas because 2 people decide not so show and then he goes something like 2-5 (by all means correct me, but I'm pretty confident it was a very losing record) and gets 16th seed again. Someone please just knock him out of the pool play already. I don't mind him as a person so much, but just based on results and continued "success" in MLG it makes me sad that the system works in a way where someone can have pretty bad results, but still get seeded. Major--Anyone who thinks they deserve to get paid based on non-existent results deserves to get a swift kick in the teeth. Couple that with the rumored/theorized hacking and consistent team jumping...While I would never hope bad things on Artosis, I want his first recruitment to end in a very early exit from Columbus. 1-2 Koreans--Everyone knows they are extremely good but I wouldn't mind watching a few of them get destroyed if for nothing more than to give a bit more confidence to the west. Even after the WC Team portion almost every western tournament is still a tournament without koreans, and therefore tier 2. Heres to hoping a few are put in their place this weekend. The only problem I see with this is if they do get destroyed everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best" but at least players like bomber, MMA, losira are considered among the top and can't forget the super secret unannounced but still known + Show Spoiler + who is sure to tear apart the open bracket. You don't find and grow new talent by not paying and accommodating it. Big time sports pay rookies very well if they have a lot of potential. If you see the same in a player SC 2 should be no different. Don't blame him for wanting some kind of financial support. That's fine Serpio but I believe the problem neo_sporin has with Gosi[Terran] isn't with him getting/wanting more sponsorship money but the way he publicly attacked former teams because he felt he deserved more after understanding terms full well just weeks before.
You explained it a bit better than I did, thanks!
He joined a team knowing (at least I would hope) what RooT was prepared to offer him, and a week later decided that wasn't good enough. Additionally with your point Serpio, I by all means agree about finding rookie talent and cultivating it. To my knowledge Destiny isn't making the big bucks from RooT as he is a newer player who doesn't play in team matches. His results are also about as strong as major's in that he doesn't really have any, but isn't throwing a fit about not getting the respect or pay he deserves.
On June 02 2011 04:37 dcemuser wrote:
Having a hope to fail section is just asking for trouble.
What is the point in a thread like that? If I say I hope Destiny, Idra, and Bomber don't win a single game, the thread will turn to shit in a matter of seconds.
While I somewhat agree...I always hope for the best in people which is a silly thing to do on the internet I know. Also...even if the thread/OP were 3 hopes to win, theres still a high chance of it turning into a flame war anyways so why bother attempting to avoid it.
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On June 02 2011 04:43 hunts wrote:
to win:
bomber
What is there to say? bomber is an absolutely amazing terran. Won GSL code A over MVP, plays very well
MMA
amazing terran, I guess called "the legend killer" He has very solid play and I don't see many foreigners being able to compete with him.
Idra
Absolutely amazing player, 2nd best zerg in the world in my opinion (first being nestea) He's been playing so well latley, I really don't see many of the MLG players being able to beat him.
to lose:
destiny. He is a player with very much hype about him from his fans and teamamtes, but really has he shown any results? I'm very certain he won't even make it half way thru the open bracket.
I agree with you on the loss, as well as incontrol. I feel the two of them are in the same boat, both have a large following of fans based on their personality rather than their skill levels.
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Top 3 Want to Perform well :
1) Tyler - I want him to be confident once again and proves to himself he can still beat anyone
2) Iefnaij - I was there when JF won WCG Canada 2010 last year and can't wait to see how he will perform for his first MLG
3) Attero - First MLG for him also. I know him a bit and he's a great dude and great potential. He's been under the radar but is showing great results on ladder. Dunno how he will perform in a tournament tough.
Other honorable mentions : ThorZain, DeMuslim
Top 3 Want to Fail :
1) Idra - For the lulz
2) Gretorp - Never been a fan he like OP said, he doenst deserve his top 16 spot
3) Moon - Only Korean i can't stand him for some reason. Probably cause i was always a Grubby's fan back in the WC3 days.
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-.- What I'd want more than anything is for every match to end up as a tie, just for shts and giggles.
3 wins:
IdrA
MMA
Naniwa
(there 1 of each race)
2 loses:
Bomber, just because he'd be scary for my 3 wins
Cruncher, i mean if I put idra, i can't not put cruncher
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On June 02 2011 04:37 dcemuser wrote:
Having a hope to fail section is just asking for trouble.
What is the point in a thread like that? If I say I hope Destiny, Idra, and Bomber don't win a single game, the thread will turn to shit in a matter of seconds.
I completely agree with this statement. It's pointless to player hate.
For those who I want to see some success-
Thorzain: he's great, but I'm really curious if he can make it as expected as it's still a really rough road especially if he gets a terrible draw in the open bracket (multiple pros). Also how well can he really prepare for all matchups/players (unlike TSL3). It is not going to be as easy as Huk/Naniwa had it in Dallas for the open bracket.
Sheth: Really want to see a very respectable rank by the end of MLG like top 5. He's in my mind already capable as top 10. Hopefully he's been practicing a lot. He has the most promise in the NA scene who hasn't already succeeded.
Anyone from TL - I want to see a top 5 finish from anyone in this team given the difficult field this time around. It seems like Ret has the best chance given recent history, but anyone will do - they need a significant win.
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Honestly, I suggest this thread be closed. This is basically a long winded explanation on who's good, who's bad. Simple as that. I love the support for teams, but making a thread and also completely bashing on players? To me, seriously that's not thread worthy. All this is going to do is going to cause flame wars.
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I want Koreans to sweep to light a fire under lazy foreigners so hopefully more will move to Korea.
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Top 3 to perform well:
NONY
NONY
NONY
Top 3 to fail:
TYLER
TYLER
TYLER
please change your name to fit your mousepad
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On June 02 2011 04:47 HomicidaL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:40 AgentSmith wrote:On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Have you heard of a factor called latency? at Copenhagen games LAN MC 4-0ed Kas Thorzain beat MC when he was in Europe for Dreamhack I believe, tired of people blaming lag for koreons losing.
It's true though. Nestea has said he isn't even going to play in anymore online tourneys. Mvp and Nestea 100% only lost in TSL3 cause of lag.
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Win:
Tyler
Thorzain
Naniwa
Lose:
Cruncher
Moon
Drewbie
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On June 02 2011 04:46 PhiliBiRD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:43 Benjef wrote:
This thread will just produce flame wars as people protect there favourites and trash on people they don't like.
yea i agree! why would you say who you want to faiL? thats just immature imo. i hope demuslim wins.
If bitbybit.prime was attending this tournament i would like him to fail, thats not immature.
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I don't really wish anyone failure. I would like to see MMA and Demuslim do well though.
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On June 02 2011 04:51 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:47 HomicidaL wrote:On June 02 2011 04:40 AgentSmith wrote:On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Have you heard of a factor called latency? at Copenhagen games LAN MC 4-0ed Kas Thorzain beat MC when he was in Europe for Dreamhack I believe, tired of people blaming lag for koreons losing. It's true though. Nestea has said he isn't even going to play in anymore online tourneys. Mvp and Nestea 100% only lost in TSL3 cause of lag.
Hm, didn't Nestea play in the Star Wars Tournament? That was online... I guess you mean online tournaments on NA and EU.
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so you basicly saying who you like as a person and who not - interesting opinion
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On June 02 2011 04:48 Alokiya wrote:To do well: Demuslim: I'm a sucker for comeback stories, plus he's always been a solid terran. MMA: The guy seems incapable of playing a boring series, hopefully he can keep that up. The CSN winner: One of my favorite koreans, cannot wait to see him play again. To do poorly: Destiny: He just rubs me the wrong way, plus I feel he is rather overrated Moon: There were plenty of koreans I think deserved the spot more than moon, especially since he isn't even in code a, but he is a big name that could draw people, so it makes sense to send him, I just don't care for it. Drewbie: He BMs alot of his opponents, and it's not even that funny like some players. Plus he retired painuser
What do you mean "he retired him"?
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win..naniwa.huk.kiwikaki
lose...idra .qxc.select
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To win:
SeleCT:
SeleCT feels like ''forever not winner'' when it comes to MLG, just like Kiwikaki. But I like him like 10 times more, because you never really see anything from Kiwi outside of MLG I feel. Sup son better be winnin' Columbus! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
MorroW:
He is soooooooo good, so talented and so dedicated. Probably soon tied with Dimaga for best EU Zerg if he keeps it up. I really hope he places high in this and manages to get himself some spotlight, because he really does deserve it.
I really want to say IdrA too. I reeeeeeally do. But for the sake of E-Sports I will say:
NaNiwa:
NaNi has been slumping a little recently, but that is expected after a like 30-35 BoX win streak. I really hope that he steps up here because Him winning MLG again would hopefully build up a mentality of ''He's the player to beat!'' in the future. IMO SC2 needs a person like that. A person that seems one level above, that everyone wants to beat. There were plenty in Brood War and about time we get one now.
To lose:
The Koreans:
Too much of a coinflip imo. It could either pull people to Korea (which is bad) or attract more Koreans to come to the US/Europe (which is good, duh).
Team ROOT:
Way too overrated imo. Sure, they are /good players/ but in the absolute top they do not belong. I really hope they flop bigtime, because they gaining more fans and publicity is just bad.
CrunCher:
See Team ROOT.
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On June 02 2011 04:54 gotyilk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:51 JJH777 wrote:On June 02 2011 04:47 HomicidaL wrote:On June 02 2011 04:40 AgentSmith wrote:On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Have you heard of a factor called latency? at Copenhagen games LAN MC 4-0ed Kas Thorzain beat MC when he was in Europe for Dreamhack I believe, tired of people blaming lag for koreons losing. It's true though. Nestea has said he isn't even going to play in anymore online tourneys. Mvp and Nestea 100% only lost in TSL3 cause of lag. Hm, didn't Nestea play in the Star Wars Tournament? That was online... I guess you mean online tournaments on NA and EU.
It was after that. His ro64 super tournament interview is when he said he was done playing in online tourneys.
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On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC
Uh, did YOU watch TSL3? ThorZain beat MC 3-2 In an incredably epic series. If you're gonna berate somebody with facts you might as well get them straight. It was super close is all I'm saying.
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Can we please just make this a three you hope to win thread? I feel like the three you want to fail is not a positive thin to have a thread about.
To win:
1. Tyler- This kid is awesome, he has not been anywhere near his top form in SC2 and I desperately want him to show how good he is.
2. Machine- Poor Machine, Go get 'em Bryce you got this, I really want him to put up a good showing.
3. Painuser- His team got disbanded and he hasn't been playing well at all in NASL. He had a couple really solid showings last year and I think he is a cool guy that I want to get back in it.
To fail:
I wouldn't wish failure on anybody, if I had to I would pick the Koreans, not because I don't like them I really like Losira, but I feel like they didn't earn their pool spots, and I want Koreans to realize that they can't just walk over any foreign LAN they show up at.
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Win = Bomber, MMA, Select
Lose = tyler, idra, destiny.
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To win: Tyler, Tyler, Naniwa, Sheth, JF, Participant # 106, aka "Esports" LOL
To lose: Nobody really.. I guess GosiTerran that's about it...
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Succeed:
Tyler-- he needs that win, and I want him to win so fucking badly.
Idra-- It has been a while since he won anything big, IPL is good and all, but I don't think its the "major tournament" as of yet.
MMA-- mini boxer gogogo.
Fail:
Well....I hope the koreans will provide us with some amazing games and then get absolutely destroyed. Just because I'm totally foreigner biased
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To Win
Tyler
Huk
Nony ;p
To Lose
No one
wouldn't mind seeing some Korean upsets
not hating on any players at the moment
LIQUID PROTOSS FIGHTING
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On June 02 2011 04:48 neo_sporin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:38 p4NDemik wrote:On June 02 2011 04:33 Serpico wrote:On June 02 2011 04:31 neo_sporin wrote:I wanted to hear some responses to who people HOPE to win and who you HOPE to fail at Columbus this weekend. Note--There is a difference between expecting and hoping. We expect the koreans to kick ass and chew bubble gum, but I don't know that many of us are hoping that happens. Also note: To win doesn't necessarily mean the entire thing. Making it to the championship bracket is a win in most players books For me: To win! Destiny--Before Dallas on SOTG the pillars basically said hes good but not great and won't do well, he doesn't take practice very seriouslt, etc. Well he has now qualified for IPL2 (something Tyler failed to do) and I hope this gives him some confidence to tear up the open bracket. Hopefully this time he doesn't let any spires die from being off of creep... Tyler--This guy needs a win. Rumors of him quitting (which he denied on SOTG), and I dont want him to. Mostly because it would be bad for esports if he did, but either way. I want him to do well enough to reinvigorate his play and stop himself from feeling like he isn't performing to his own standards Catz-- I split him away from destiny to make it look like im not Root or zerg biased...but I am. He took a game off MC which means he can at least make a good showing against the best in the world and hes generally just a nice and funny guy. To fail! Gretorp--Dear god, the guy has the 16th seed for Dallas because 2 people decide not so show and then he goes something like 2-5 (by all means correct me, but I'm pretty confident it was a very losing record) and gets 16th seed again. Someone please just knock him out of the pool play already. I don't mind him as a person so much, but just based on results and continued "success" in MLG it makes me sad that the system works in a way where someone can have pretty bad results, but still get seeded. Major--Anyone who thinks they deserve to get paid based on non-existent results deserves to get a swift kick in the teeth. Couple that with the rumored/theorized hacking and consistent team jumping...While I would never hope bad things on Artosis, I want his first recruitment to end in a very early exit from Columbus. 1-2 Koreans--Everyone knows they are extremely good but I wouldn't mind watching a few of them get destroyed if for nothing more than to give a bit more confidence to the west. Even after the WC Team portion almost every western tournament is still a tournament without koreans, and therefore tier 2. Heres to hoping a few are put in their place this weekend. The only problem I see with this is if they do get destroyed everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best" but at least players like bomber, MMA, losira are considered among the top and can't forget the super secret unannounced but still known + Show Spoiler + who is sure to tear apart the open bracket. You don't find and grow new talent by not paying and accommodating it. Big time sports pay rookies very well if they have a lot of potential. If you see the same in a player SC 2 should be no different. Don't blame him for wanting some kind of financial support. That's fine Serpio but I believe the problem neo_sporin has with Gosi[Terran] isn't with him getting/wanting more sponsorship money but the way he publicly attacked former teams because he felt he deserved more after understanding terms full well just weeks before. You explained it a bit better than I did, thanks! He joined a team knowing (at least I would hope) what RooT was prepared to offer him, and a week later decided that wasn't good enough. Additionally with your point Serpio, I by all means agree about finding rookie talent and cultivating it. To my knowledge Destiny isn't making the big bucks from RooT as he is a newer player who doesn't play in team matches. His results are also about as strong as major's in that he doesn't really have any, but isn't throwing a fit about not getting the respect or pay he deserves. Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:37 dcemuser wrote:
Having a hope to fail section is just asking for trouble.
What is the point in a thread like that? If I say I hope Destiny, Idra, and Bomber don't win a single game, the thread will turn to shit in a matter of seconds. While I somewhat agree...I always hope for the best in people which is a silly thing to do on the internet I know. Also...even if the thread/OP were 3 hopes to win, theres still a high chance of it turning into a flame war anyways so why bother attempting to avoid it.
Please do not talk about team hopping or the conditions of teams without knowing first how a team operates and what is happening within. Every team has a inside circle of information that the public will never hear about unless released by a player. I know for a fact people do not understand everything within ROOT and everything within every Professional team. There is much that is hidden from the public because it is a need to know basis and not every needs to know. You do not know the reasons why he left, whether he did it when he was younger or not is not a issue, there were "factors" that caused him to make his decision. While we may not know these factors they are there to Juan. So please without knowing the situation do not talk about it. Thank you.
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I'll be rooting for Select and to a lesser extent Morrow. JF still needs a lot more time before he can contend.
I have no ill will towards anyone. No point.
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On June 02 2011 05:00 ComaDose wrote:
To Win
Tyler
Huk
Nony ;p
To Lose
No one
wouldn't mind seeing some Korean upsets
not hating on any players at the moment
LIQUID PROTOSS FIGHTING
Not sure i serious.... Tyler = Nony
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To win:
InControl
I just love his intensity at live events, dude earned his 4th place at Dallas fair and square.
Teamliquid guys
They need a win right now so bad.
To lose:
Can't think of any, sorry.
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To win: Tyler- know he's been struggling lately
Incontrol- same to a lesser degree
one of the Koreans- I just want to see more amazing games and I think that if they get further into the tourney more will be produced.
Fail- none really, I don't wish bad luck upon anyone. I think that the best players will win so if I were to wish someone to fail it would be like wishing someone suddenly became bad or something, idk..
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To Win: HuK, MMA, Incontrol (Also TLO and Grubby)
To Lose: Idra, Naniwa,
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to win
Idra
Idra
Idra
to lose
Masq
Silver
Drewbie
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On June 02 2011 05:02 zYwi3c wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:00 ComaDose wrote:
To Win
Tyler
Huk
Nony ;p
To Lose
No one
wouldn't mind seeing some Korean upsets
not hating on any players at the moment
LIQUID PROTOSS FIGHTING Not sure i serious.... Tyler = Nony
You're correct, that's why he has the smile next to nony ;p
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On June 02 2011 04:40 AgentSmith wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Have you heard of a factor called latency? at Copenhagen games LAN MC 4-0ed Kas
No Latency for Thorzain v MC.
They were both in Europe on the europe server at the time.
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Hope to win;
1. DeMusliM - because he is a giant baller and I love his show with Rotti. Also because his play was insanely good before his accident, and from what I've seen afterwards he still plays like an insane mo-fo =D!
2. SeleCt - because I like his multitasking play, and I feel that he deserves a win after so much good play.
3. Moon - Warcraft 3 represent =D! No really, I feel he doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
(I have no clue if Grubby is going there, but if he is I put him ahead of Moon just a bit, gotta root for your fellow countrymen!)
Hope to lose (Not really hate them, but just the ones who I want to win the least);
1. Destiny - I really really do not like this guy ;> I don't like his stream and that's basically all that I've seen from him. Might be jumping to conclusions a bit, but I don't know about that =).
2. Gretorp - I do like his casting and his stream a lot, but I don't feel that he deserves to have the 16th spot either.
3. MorroW - Don't really have an explanation for this, I've never liked his play. It used to be the most standard of standards, but lately he has been switching it up I have to agree.
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Wait... why are people saying Huk?
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sjMajor is too good to fall
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I hope the players who play excellently win and the players who play poorly to lose. That is all.
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Is ThorZaIN going? I think I heard somewhere that he was, might be spewing shit though. If so, I hope he loses and hard. I'm sick of idiots saying he's the best in the world after one tournament T_T
Also Destiny to lose
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On June 02 2011 05:06 Denizen[9] wrote:
to win
Idra
Idra
Idra
to lose
Masq
Silver
Drewbie
Silver stopped playing?
And I would love to see Idra fail and all the other zergs do really well. I don't have anything against him, but it would be sooooo funny for everyone else afterwards :D.
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Koreans are going to suffer from major jet lag without time to adapt, so I wouldn't expect dominance by them.
win:
idra
naniwa
select
bomber
lose:
famous guys who actually suck (ie. players that mouth breathers are rooting for)
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Hope to win: Kiwikaki, Demuslim, HuK
Hope to lose: Idra, Losira, Incontrol
Really cheering for my countrymen and booing everyone else! (Half canadian, half british)
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For winning I'd like the top 3 terrans of all time: Demuslim, Demuslim, Demuslim.
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On June 02 2011 05:09 Benjef wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:06 Denizen[9] wrote:
to win
Idra
Idra
Idra
to lose
Masq
Silver
Drewbie
Silver stopped playing?
my bad i ment cauthon luck
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achieve a good result: moon / bomber
to fail: I hate no one
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On June 02 2011 05:09 Ruscour wrote:
Is ThorZaIN going? I think I heard somewhere that he was, might be spewing shit though. If so, I hope he loses and hard. I'm sick of idiots saying he's the best in the world after one tournament T_T
Also Destiny to lose
yes he's going. There is a full list announced on this forum with MLG tag.
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On June 02 2011 05:10 Denizen[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:09 Benjef wrote:On June 02 2011 05:06 Denizen[9] wrote:
to win
Idra
Idra
Idra
to lose
Masq
Silver
Drewbie
Silver stopped playing? my bad i ment cauthon luck
Now your just trollin.
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Win:
any toss/terran except major
any zerg that doesn't whine
lose: major
all zerg that whine
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To win- kiwikaki, tyler, demuslim
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To Win:
- Me - Im not going to win the whole thing but id at least like to take a game or 2 off someone
- Select - He comes so close. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- LzGamer - Enjoy his stream and would like to see him do well
To Lose:
- The bottom of the top 16. MLG is a bit ridiculous about protecting them. Time for fresh blood.
- The Koreans. Nothing against them (they are ridiculously talented) Id just like to see the NA/EU players hold their own
- Idra
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To win: Destiny. I don't get the rationale behind not wanting him to do well. He is not a cheesy player so if he makes it far it will be with skillful plays, imo. He may not be the best, but he has the potential to do it i think, maybe not consistently though. I see no reason to cheer against "merely good" players unless you dont like their personalities for whatever reason.
IdrA: I like IdrA well enough, but I mostly pick him because I think if he wins it will have been caused by ridiculously good play. Hopefully not in the cheesy direction we've seen him leaning a couple games.
Tyler: Pretty much what everyone says. I just really want to see him win something.
To Lose: I don't really like picking people to lose, but I definitely want to see Major lose. I just don't really like him. The Koreans I would like to see do well (top 4/8) but I just don't want a Korean to win the whole thing.
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I can't identify with wanting someone to fail, maybe its just me.
Perhaps there's players I don't find particularly impressive but I still wouldn't "want" them to fail, more power to them if they succeed.
I have to assume wanting a player to fail is related to disliking them personally, but if you actually want them to fail because of this, I find that pretty immature/silly.
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To win - The viewer, MLG and ESPORTS
What i mean by that is that in this MLG everything for the viewer should be an awesome experience. Great Games, great commentary and great stories, hopefully without lag in any game.
to loose - Noone
Why should i want anyone to do badly?
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To win: IdrA, KiWiKaKi, SeleCT..
To lose: Thorzain, Naniwa, either Moon / Bomber.
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I never wish for anyone to lose. Well...FBH after his dancing antics...but otherwise...
To Win:
All of Team Liquid. They really need some wins right now. I think they do things the right way, and hope to see them succeed. In particular I want Tyler to do well. I can see why some people don't like him (he's not always super manner, sometimes whines) but I've been a fan since BW (only top American protoss) and I think he's a good person overall.
I always root for Idra, and I can't explain why. I think it's just ingrained in me since he was the great white hope and I couldn't NOT root for him during BW. Now I think I root for him because he's american and one of our few truly top players. So I want him to win though I don't know why.
I also would like for Cruncher to do well and show people he's not just a cheeseball. I don't root for him as I root for the TL, Idra, and Nony, but he's American, a toss, and I'm not sure why people think he's BM.
As for who I want to lose...like I said I don't want anyone to lose, but I wouldn't mind seeing Nani get knocked down a few pegs. But he's a great player and if he wins good for him.
I don't know the whole field though. Honestly, most of these people are nice, and have the right intentions.
I also wouldn't mind seeing Incontrol get taken down (despite him being an American protoss). but again, great guy, great player wouldn't mind seeing him roflstomp.
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to win: Bomber, Tyler, SeleCT
to lose: Moon, MajOr, Gretorp
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Win:
- Bomber. I feel bad for him running into NesTea so early.
- Naniwa. Gotta stick up for Protoss bros.
- Tyler. Needs his confidence back .
- People who have to make it through the open bracket because of the stupid seeding system.
Lose:
- Idra. I dislike his constant whining, and him losing always results in something funny.
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Win - Ret, qxc, SelecT
lose - n/a
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To win: IdrA, iNcontroL, Select
To lose: No idea.
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Really hope Destiny, MajOr and Skew have a good showing.
Especially Destiny seems to be in good shape, watching him own TheWind on stream today got my hopes up.
I don't really wish losses on anyone, but I guess if I had to pick one it'd be CrunCher. His playstyle can be pretty unappealing at times.
Not to BM, but Desrow seems like a douchebag too.
+ Show Spoiler +Also, is July actually gonna come? Where did you get that from OP?
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the americans are no match for the koreans except idra and maybe select. too few good euros so it will be a walkover for the koreans.
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Winners.
1. The MLG stream viewers!!! I hope there are no issues.
2. Drewbie as a dewbie fan
3. Some unknown from the open bracket
Don't want anyone to fail just want good matches!
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Win: qxc (all fxo, really), tyler, select
Lose: none
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Why would you root for people to lose? Someone like CombatEX, from what I hear, I can understand. But generally speaking that is kind of mean spirited.
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On June 02 2011 05:19 insaneMicro wrote:Really hope Destiny, MajOr and Skew have a good showing. Especially Destiny seems to be in good shape, watching him own TheWind on stream today got my hopes up. I don't really wish losses on anyone, but I guess if I had to pick one it'd be CrunCher. His playstyle can be pretty unappealing at times. Not to BM, but Desrow seems like a douchebag too. + Show Spoiler +Also, is July actually gonna come? Where did you get that from OP?
On SOTG this week JP confirmed the CSN (not even sure if thats the right acronym) champion would be coming to MLG and while the games havn't been aired, I've read in multiple locations that he was the eventual champion. If I'm wrong I'm just another victim of repeating things from the internet.
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To win:
1. Gretorp - Great guy that no one looks at unbiasedly. One of the best educational streamers. Well mannered. I don't think I've seen him lose but one game on his stream on his KR account.
2. TeamLiquid - They have been slumping a lot lately. They need a win.
3. CheckSixShadow - This guy is ridiculous. He is going to break out of the open bracket and stomp many people.
4. vVvMurDeR
5. VTgiX
(6. MKP - If he makes it to MLG :D)
To fail:
1. Destiny - Cannot stand this guy. Way overrated. And after hearing how immature he is last night on SotG talk about caster etiquette, he needs to be taken out early.
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Win: Tyler, Mr Bitter, iNcontroL (mainly I hope he can prove himself to all the doubters)
Lose: Eh, don't want to wish ill on anyone.
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Win : IdrA iNcontroL Machine
Lose : ROOT Koreans
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Win: Anybody from ROOT, IdrA
Lose: iNcontroL
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I see Bomber, Naniwa, and Losira as 1,2, and 3
Maybe Thorzain will do well but we haven't seen him in a lan environment where he does not get to prepare exclusively for one opponent.
MLGs are getting more and more competitive.
I would argue that the talent has increased at every event.
MLG Columbus > MLG Dallas 11 > MLG Dallas 10 > MLG DC > MLG Raleigh
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Win: Bomber, Losira, MMA
Lose: IdrA, Destiny.
Koreans to win because I think foreigners are falling behind and a kick up the arse would be good for them. Whiny Zergs to lose because they're immature children.
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To win:
Root. They are in impeccable shape at the moment. Minigun has turned a beast with amazing macro and micro. CatZ has his amazing style and macro; he was ahead of the curve before, and now that everyone else is starting to catch up in strategy, he is even more ahead and has all of his old stragies polished up. Drewbie is extremely solid, almost like a mini MVP, but he does have his moments that he makes bad decisions, like going pure bio VS zerg. Kiwikaki is and always be a complete beast worthy of any tournament. Slush is pretty good, but clearly the weakest on the team other than Destiny.
Root is the embodiment of what Koreans think of the foreign scene: strategic and pretty good at both micro and macro.
Sixjax is the second team that I think will do well. Some say they hate the mercenary type recruitment, but I LOVE all of the players and their styles. VIBE has great mechanics while also using a unique style. He has been polishing up his early game and even climbing the ladder to a spot above IdrA. Sixjax MajOr deserves some credit despite what Sheth says. Nobody does things that they think are wrong or extremely bad for their image. MajOr has matured a bit, and even chose a mature name for once. DDE has recently taken a $5000 grand prize off of IdrA, showing that he has amazing skill.
Dark Horses: Naniwa, MorroW, Thorzain, the Koreans, Ret and IdrA. These players are extremely good but also may suffer from jet lag or they may have the shit cheesed out of them (IdrA).
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Win: IdrA, Tyler, Ret
Lose: I'll be happy as long as a Korean doesn't get 1st place. I love them, but a foreigner really needs to win. This is on our soil.
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Win: Koreans and Tyler! I'd like to see everyone perform well but off a feeling I don't think Sixjax will do very well.
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On June 02 2011 04:40 AgentSmith wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Have you heard of a factor called latency? at Copenhagen games LAN MC 4-0ed Kas
MC was in Denmark when playing Thorzain?! There is no lagg between Denmark and Sweden...
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Win: DeMuslim, NaNiwa, SelecT, MorroW, July
Lose: beh... don't really care. Maybe all koreans but July, not because I dislike them, but the foreign scene needs some results in a LAN context.
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jetlag can be a problem for the koreans and to a lesser extent for the euro players though.
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SeleCT - This guy has been so consistent at every MLG he attends. Hope he wins one soon.
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Thorzaaaaaaaaaain hwaiting!
For real. I don't think he can do wrong. He's a monster.
Also, Destiny. He's one of my favourite Starcraft players.
As for losing... I'd love to see Idra out of the tournament early.
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Win: Lyra, xSixShadow, SixjaxMajor
Lose: Iefnaij (for fucking up my liquibet tsl1),
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I want Tyler to win, defeating Idra or Bomber in the finals, that would be the most epic scenario and cramming like half of TL into top 8
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To win: SelecT, TLO, ThorZain
To fail: Idra, Gretorp
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I hate it break it to you... but there is literally 0 chance all the koreans bomb out.
No way in hell will LosirA, Bomber and MMA not finish within the top 2-3 in their groups (I would be shocked if any of them finished lower than 2).
And Moon has a fairly easy group (relatively)... so he should atleast get 2-3 as well.
Which means pretty much all of them will be seeded to the next MLG if they choose to participate.
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I don't think it's fair to put the winner of an unbroadcast tournament in spoilers. For one, it shouldn't be a spoiler. You cannot actively decide because it makes no sense to spoil something unspoilable. Like if I miss a match I really want to watch unspoiled, I'll avoid all the stuff until I've watched it. That is after it has actually happened. I don't know but I was really looking forward to that and now it got spoiled. And in a very lame way as well.
Just to reiterate because I also see some other spoilers. Many people still want to watch this. And especially in a topic like this, that seemingly would have very little to do with it, it's a big surprise so I don't think the usual would be fair in this case. No more spoilers
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Losira, Idra or CatZ. Either one of these should win IMO.
I don't have any grudge with anyone, so I could care less about people losing.
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Win: Pokebunny
Fail: Everyone not on VT
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To win :
1) IdrA :
2) MMA
3) Morrow
To fail :
1) Moon
2) Incontrol
3) Haypro
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On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC
lol wtf are you talkinga bout 3-0 did you even watch it or are you just spouting shit.
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Win: TLO, Catz, iPBioOrmech
Lose: swarm, toss
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Wow, a thread where TL is invited to take shits on players who are much better than they are. Awesome community building stuff right there.
User was warned for this post
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Rofl, Destiny wont pass 3rd round of open bracket, such troll doesnt even deserve to win anything.
edit: I want Sjow or Naniwa to win, my 2 favorite players.
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Win:
Holy shit, I hope to god that Tyler owns this MLG up. He's an awesome dude and great for the community, and I feel terrible he is considering giving up on SC2.
Destiny. I can understand the people who hate him, but I would like to see him prove that he is known for more than his BM.
Gretorp. Gretorp is a cool dude and I don't understand the hate. Hopefully he kicks some ass.
I don't really wish failure on anybody, but there are some interesting storylines if the Koreans, Idra, Sixjax, etc fail.
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I want to see Tyler do well so badly....
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I want a qxc cinderela history soooo bad.
My top 3 hopes to win are::
QXC,
Select,
KiWikaKi
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I don't really want to see anyone fail but I do want an Idra vs Tyler finals. I want both of them to dominate their groups hard!!
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On June 02 2011 05:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Wow, a thread where TL is invited to take shits on players who are much better than they are. Awesome community building stuff right there.
Every sport has heros and villains, it's not a bad thing.
The whole "commenting on people better than you" thing is just...weird. I can't comment that Cristiano Ronaldo is a preening selfish prat just because he's a trillion times better at football than me?
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On June 02 2011 05:33 DeltruS wrote:
[ CatZ has his amazing style and macro; he was ahead of the curve before, and now that everyone else is starting to catch up in strategy, he is even more ahead and has all of his old stragies polished up. CatZ really cannot use his leads from his strategies to his advantage. He does something really fancy, then he most of the time lets the opponent catch up which often leads to him losing. He really needs to capitalise on the advantages of himself and mistakes of his opponent that he forces with his strategies.
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To win:
1. EG.IdrA, Just straight up my favorite player.
2. Liquid'Tyler, Great player and I hope to see his creative, awesome builds.
3. ROOTDestiny, His playing skills are vastly improving and deserves to win something!
Close Mention:
EG.Demuslim, Just recently getting back into the swing of things but is one of the very few Terran players I like.
Those to fail:
1. Gretorp, 'nuff said.
2. coLcruncher, again, 'nuff said.
3. Naniwa, good player and all, but gotta let somebody else win 
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On June 02 2011 05:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Wow, a thread where TL is invited to take shits on players who are much better than they are. Awesome community building stuff right there.
Totalbiscuit, Im usually a fan but you obviously haven't read any of this thread if you think that's the intention. In fact, you would probably be pleasantly surprised that around half of the posts say something along the lines of "I don't want anyone to fail" and just list three people they hope to do well. Which I think speaks volume of where our community stands.
Additionally if a post says something along the lines of "I want x to lose for y reason" that is hardly "taking a shit" on that player. In any major sport you hear the broadcasters and fans say players are in slumps, players aren't playing to their potential, I want the NY Yankees to lose because it feels like they always win. None of these things are "taking a shit" on a player.
I dont think a single poster on this thread legitimately thinks they can beat a pooled player nor anyone who will make it through the open bracket and its presumptive of you to assume the thread is here for hate only purposes. Please have more faith in humanity in the future.
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WIN:
Tyler- biggest bro
IdrA- he wants it
Sheth- so mannered, we sang songs as he killed my base
Lose:
Destiny
I like everyone else, I'll say the Koreans because I don't want MLG to turn into something that is completely Korean dominated. I don't want all of them to fail but if they inhabit the entire top 4 I will be sad.
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Win: Moon (surprised anyone would want to see him fail... not that he's amazing or anything), Naniwa (would love to see him in Code S), Cruncher (just to troll).
FAIL: Gretorp (ARGH MY EARS), Tyler (have never been impressed, didn't follow SC1)
On June 02 2011 05:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Wow, a thread where TL is invited to take shits on players who are much better than they are. Awesome community building stuff right there.
ROFL... the community must like everyone! Not like most sports (re: competition) communities are built on intense rivalries designed to polarize fans into factions and create... an exciting atmosphere.
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Win: ROOT or FXO cus they are cool teams =)
Lose: major and desrow because they are bm
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Why do people want Koreans to fail? Is it that bad that the better players win in a competitive tournament? Yes they'll take money back to Korea but does that mean they don't deserve it over players who aren't willing to be the best by moving to Korea and rather practice in subpar environment? (Yes its a big sacrifice to some moving to Korea but you get to play the game that you love)
If the Koreans win this should be a wake up call for the west. If they lose then the West can grow even stronger due to having Korean participants which legitimate the league and showing that western players can play on the same level. It's a win win situation.
Win: Bomber
Lose: No one
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To win:
DemusliM, a lone warrior representing the British on the international circuit. I'd love to see him coming out in vocal support of the UK scene and encouraging up and comers.
Destiny, to prove the doubters wrong
Tyler, to reinvigorate the fire
To lose:
The invites, but that is to say simply that I don't want a Korean top four. A stomping of the foreigners would make for a bad impression.
CombatEX, whom I believe is attending. Seeing the guy do well wouldn't have a good vibe.
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1. Haypro - I feel like there is only a few people who know how good haypro really is, I think he is getting into his prime again soon. (especially since he lives in Sweden now)
2. Moon - There is no explanation as to why he isn't doing well in Korea yet. He has the APM and mechanics of a true Zerg monster. I think he still has wc3 in his mind.
3. Morrow - I've seen his Swedish interviews and he always seems so calm and confident in them, he has the mindset you need to win tournaments and I think he's def going to top3 this MLG.
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Win - TLO, HayprO, Machine
Lose - Kiwikaki
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To Win
Destiny: Generally an underrated player and his improvement makes him a deserving player to at least 'win' in some sort of standards.
SeleCT: He clearly has the potential to win it and he would be a deserving player to win it as well. Great personality and overall I think he deserves it with all the practice he does.
IdrA: Just want to see his BM
MMA: Just because
Catz: Just because he's creative and a great personality.
To Lose:
Cruncher: If he won it'd be pretty undeserving imo. Though he's a pretty good player, his personality is lackluster.
Naniwa: Not hoping he fails, Just hoping he loses if he makes it into the finals =P someone else needs the spotlight of 26-2 haha.
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I completely disagree with the 3 hopes because I guess its objective and I consider them terrible. I do agree with the fails.
My hope is MMA, naniwa( because he will take the gsl spot, otherwise would be thorzain) and ret ( and in my heart grubby, but his recent results ;( )
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Win - Koreans (except moon)
Very strong korean players are playing & koreans have yet to do poorly in a major lan situation. I don't want them to sweep though, just one would be fine.
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Winners: Idra, Catz or Destiny, and any Korean player. I would also like CombatEx to make it far because it would be hilarious that one of the most bm and hated player beat out everyone.
I don't really wish anyone to fail in particular.
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Win- Kiwikaki needs to win at least one time after being in the finals twice.
Naniwa/Thorzain so they can go to Korea and own faces
Lose- Haypro, Incontrol, Ret because I think these guys are overrated
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On June 02 2011 05:43 Pokebunny wrote:
Win: Pokebunny
Fail: Everyone not on VT
This post made me smile, ha. Bunnies are so cute :3
On June 02 2011 05:08 Corrik wrote:
Wait... why are people saying Huk?
Apparently lots of people don't know who is actually going. o;
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To Win:
Tyler
IdrA
Incontrol
Destiny
To Lose:
The Koreans (just so we can say we beat 'em)
Cruncher
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Win:
Select overall (I want him to win a big tournament, rather than consistently getting high places in everything he enters.
DeMuslim. Come on man. DO IT! For Rotti. For EG. FOR ME!
Idra. I want him to place highly (top 5 at least).
MrBitter. Just because.
LiquidTyler. I want this to happen. Now. Win, then win more, then win everything. I want ChillToss to be everything and everywhere.
Lose:
I don't wish ill of any player, but...
Gretorp. I really like him as a caster and person, but to me he represents everything that is wrong with the MLG system. Get out of the top 16 please.
Koreans. I want them to be successful, but I want them to lose in legitimate and epic games to top Americans and Europeans.
There. No hate, just love, respect, and a stupid tourney system.
Edit: Oh shit, I forgot Tyler. My mistake, don't hurt me.
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Win:
Pokebunny - he was kicking my ass at BW since when I was as old as he is now. Of course I want to see him do well.
DeMusliM - go go UK
Tyler - Tyler Fighting! This guy rocks.
Lose:
Idra - I love, love, love his play. The man is unquestionably an extremely talented player. Unfortunately his attitude leaves much to be desired. I'd much rather see people following and looking up to someone like Sheth, who as we all know is the nicest, most chill guy in the world.
Major - I don't really approve of the team-jumping shenanigans. Very mercenary.
General comments: I don't want to see an absolute complete foreigner stomp, with a total Korean all-kill, but I don't want to see the Koreans get annihilated early either. I'd also like to see everyone from Team Liquid do well, especially TLO. Also I'd like to see a Nani - Thorzain rematch somewhere in that carnage if at all possible, which should make for an epic game and a nice talking point for fans.
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Win: Team Liquid and all the Koreans.
Lose: Not Team Liquid and all the Koreans.
Guys, I understand why some of you want the Koreans to lose T_T but for this first MLG where they will debut, it is kinda better from them to tear everyone apart. They need to have success so that they and other fellow Koreans will see MLG as a place of opportunity and come back time again and again.
In turn, we as spectators can watch games that are Korea vs World.
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To Win:
Moonan
He seems to have stream nerve issues, so his only on-stream play has been bad, but despite losing to Huk on stream he made it through the loser's bracket all the way to Socke before losing again. Only losses those TvPs (and he's beaten Socke since) and the TvZ consolation against Idra.
Gretorp
Sure, he abuses the english language when he casts. And yes, MLG is too generous in defending pool players in general. I've criticized it before. But you know what? It wasn't too generous to him at Dallas. The open bracket was hardly a joke, but compared to his pool?
His run:
(L) Kiwikaki 0-2
(L) Idra 0-2
(L) Socke 0-2
(L) Huk 1-2
(W) OptikZero 2-0
(L) Haypro 1-2
(And then beating either Vibe or Mihai - I forget which - in consolation rounds).
The only player who finished behind Gretorp and beat any player of the quality Gretorp lost to was Pokebunny (who beat Sheth before losing out to Naniwa and vile.Hawk in the Open Bracket). You can't just look at records when the competition in pool play is that much harder than the open bracket. His run wasn't impressive, but the man has far more haters than he deserves over Dallas and I hope he disappoints them at Columbus.
Haypro
Staying in Korea can make it hard to break through, or judge a player. He's recently moved back to Europe ... and promptly gotten sick. Let's hope he's recovered in time for MLG.
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To Win:
SeleCT
He's done so well previously so I'm not sure how much more I can hope for but if anyone deserves a gold at this point it's probably him.
LzGaMeR
I wish Lz well in every event he goes to. Just an all around nice person with a creative style that's always fun to watch.
DeMusliM
Probably my favourite personality in SC2 and I would love for him to show NASL they made a big mistake in not picking him.
Skew (special mention)
Would really like to finally see him put up some results, would be an awesome follow up to joining Sixjax.
To Fail:
No one really, not even the players who I kind of think are dicks.
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TO WIN
Demuslim - he deserves it after all the shit he's been through
Naniwa - he needs to get out of his mini slump and kill everyone
Morrow - to prevent all the annoying QQers
TO LOSE
Idra - bad mannered, whiner, overrated
Koreans - to prevent all the "why koreans going 60-0 proves nothing" blogs.
INBETWEEN
Terran - I really don't know if I want him to show epic games and stomp everyone in Naniwa's fashion (he's capable of it in my opinion) just for the lulz, or to lose all his game because he's just stupid/unmature.
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I don't care who wins or loses. I want to see some unorthodox play. I want to see double nuke cornering, mothership vortexes, nydus baits, THE WORKS. I think, regardless of who wins, people will be satisfied with amazing games and MLG Cbus 2011 will be talked about.
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Win - Naniwa
Lose - The Koreans when facing Naniwa
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wouldn't mind seeing select take a 1st, he has come close many times so i think he deserves a first. be cool seeing his team mate naniwa win also, as a toss I enjoy watching his play. mma is good too, I think he deserves that code S prize for putting on so many gg's in team league. As for lose i don't have any picks.
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To WIN:Tyler,Naniwa,Morrow (thoorzain)
To Loose: Cruncher,Desrow,Gretorp(just want him out from the top 16 so he can focus on his casting more and give the spot to others that deserve it more)
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to be honest, i just want a foreigner to win
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I would like to see TLO come out with some games at Columbus and surprise people!
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EDIT : I had a change of heart ..
to win : Julyzerg or Myself
to lose : MC , cuz he doesnt need to win anymore
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To win: demuslim, major, idra, morrow/naniwa (if they're there),
To lose: koreans (I can't disagree more with the random seed into the near impossible to get into champ bracket), qxc, catz, cruncher.
Also I REALLLLLLLY hope the OP didn't just spoil the upcoming CSN event, even in a spoiler tag if thats an actual result I'm pissed.
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You got this Tyler.
NoNy Fighting!
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To do well:
Bomber - fanboy <3
SjoW - slipped back from being one of the biggest threats wherever he goes, but he's still turning in solid performances against top competition and I'd like to see him get a good run here.
CSN winner - Whoever it is, I hope they can have a good run through the open bracket since they've already come through a hellish draw already to be there.
To not do so well:
Any of the seeds living off the seeding system that gives them that ridiculous buffer despite dismal performances.
Destiny
Inc
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To WIn:
Gretorp: Great guy, great stream. Doing well on KR ladder, and ran into some trouble at Dallas. Look at 2010 MLG results if you don't think he deserves the slot.
Tyler: If I could pick one guy to win it all, this would be it. He really deserves a win, he's extremely talented and suffering from a debilitating slump that I hope he breaks out of.
Select: Fun player to watch.
To Lose:
Not really a fan of wanting people to lose.
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To win:
Naniwa, Kiwikaki, Thorzain, (Talent, talent + attitude and <3 Thorzain)
To lose:
Idra, Cruncher, Moon (Attitude, attitude/playstyle and skill)
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Hope to win: Bomber, Losira, DeMuslim
Hope to lose: Who ever is BM. I can't seem to appreciate it and idolize players who do so as much as others in the community. Best of luck to everyone who competes!
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To win:
Select, Sheth, TLO (super nice guys who work really hard)
To lose:
Not anyone in particular but I hope the Koreans at least won't totally dominate the whole thing (like taking 1st - 5th). But I also don't want them to fail, so something in between.
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To win: Anyone that wants to compete at the highest level for the most money/fame in Korea that will accept the GSL spots. Like Naniwa + Korean don't know who else share their views of becoming the absolute best player... everyone else seems to be satisfied with top 8-16 at an MLG...
To lose: Everyone else.
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About Gretorp. I think fanboys hating him casting is translating over to gaming in this thread. 2-5 is nothing to be ashamed of. Players in the GSL going 1-10 or 2-10 all the time and they're still in the GSL. Look Jinro, he's like 0-10 in the last 10 games.
"Someone please just knock him out of the pool play already. I don't mind him as a person so much, but just based on results and continued "success" in MLG it makes me sad that the system works in a way where someone can have pretty bad results, but still get seeded."
Who are you to judge on a player like this? What are you? A bronze player? Can't get out of bronze league and try to go with the fanboy pack?
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To win: Moonan + MajOr
To lose: I don't hate anybody enough to want someone to lose ^^;
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I want DeMuslim, Destiny and Sheth to do well (and Haypro would be cool).
I'm not saying who I want to lose
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On June 02 2011 07:00 TDN wrote:
About Gretorp. I think fanboys hating him casting is translating over to gaming in this thread. 2-5 is nothing to be ashamed of. Players in the GSL going 1-10 or 2-10 all the time and they're still in the GSL. Look Jinro, he's like 0-10 in the last 10 games.
"Someone please just knock him out of the pool play already. I don't mind him as a person so much, but just based on results and continued "success" in MLG it makes me sad that the system works in a way where someone can have pretty bad results, but still get seeded."
Who are you to judge on a player like this? What are you? A bronze player? Can't get out of bronze league and try to go with the fanboy pack?
how can you say that about jinro when you know deep down the competition facing the two players are vastly different. 2-5 in MLG vs 0-10 in the GSL are two different things.
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I want Naniwa to not drop a game this time.
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I hope DongRaegu wins! Would love to see him at least take a high placement. Other than him I'm rooting for incontrol.
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To Win :
InControl - I know he's not the best out there, but I adore his trolling :D
Tyler - That's the perfect medicine I think he needs right now.
Idra - Coz I want to hear another of his excuses why Zerg wins tournaments despite being the weakest race :D
To Lose :
All the koreans. I don't think they got the edge over our players, so it's time to showcase that. I think most of our players simply get in a loosing mindset when they're playing vs. koreans.
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To win:
Tyler
iNcontroL
IdrA
'cause I love all the stuff they do for the community, these guys are definitely the household names of Western SC2. They've all got so much personality, but hopefully all the shows and stuff that they do won't hurt their play (looking to you especially iNcontroL )
Also, I'd like to see Naniwa get a code A spot, he's very talented and he's of the few that would take advantage of it. On a similar note I hope FXO does well as a team, even if they don't win it. Its amazing that they're all going to Korea as a team, and I'd like to see them put the haters to rest and start building more anticipation for their GSL debut.
And MMA. SlayerS fighting!!!!
Not gonna wish failure on anyone... at least publicly. I've got people/teams I'd like to see get a reality check, but IMO its bad form to call people out anonymously on the internet
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To Win The secret player from korea. I'd like to see Thorzain and Naniwa rematch in the quarter finals, and then the korean player to just dominate them in the finals.
To Lose St. Bomber and MMA. Not hoping they get owned, but it'd be great to see that the playing field is somewhat level.
To Dream That Slayers_Alicia shows up out of nowhere and beats everyone without dropping a single game. And then in his spare time for fun, he wins the HALO bracket as well, despite never having played before.
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Bomber is going to destroy this tournament. Hes going to tear nerds souls and crush them.
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win:
bomber- because i think he's top 4 in the world and deserves to win after his recent... misfortune in another tourney.
losira- because of his little GSL documentary and generally seems like a super nice kid
mma- GSTL badass
lose:
idra- crybaby, fake "bad boy" routine behind keyboard
incontrol- touchy and hypocritical (see weapon of choice w/ destiny)
gretorp- relatively scales worser as a player than english speaker indubitably
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so basicly you aren't really from the united states
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On June 02 2011 07:08 Mouzone wrote:
I hope DongRaegu wins! Would love to see him at least take a high placement. Other than him I'm rooting for incontrol.
Does he even participate? I don't think he does. oO
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to win:
tyler... i still think he's better than everyone else.
and if he isn't... well then i hope huk wins.
to lose:
incontrol (i think he's a good guy overall but he rubs me the wrong way sometimes. i know im being an ass, just my input)
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Win: Tyler! Please win, you can do it you just need your confidence back!!!
The Koreans, A lot of people want them to lose to show the NA/EU players can hold their own... but I think we need the Koreans to dominate They've always been the Final boss and it gives something to foreign players to strive for to be good enough to make it in Korea.
Thorzain, dude is a beast enough said...
Lose! The only person I really want to see lose, and badly is Idra... He is a great player and he will probably do well, but just because he whines so god damn much(and then his fans start QQ'ing even more and ruin LR threads....) I wish for him a swift boot out of this event....
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On June 02 2011 07:13 brentsen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 07:08 Mouzone wrote:
I hope DongRaegu wins! Would love to see him at least take a high placement. Other than him I'm rooting for incontrol. Does he even participate? I don't think he does. oO
In my mind he does!
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Win: MMA, he's insanely talented and a very entertaining player.
Lose: Idra: Too cocky. Tyler: Not cocky enough.
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top 3
idra if he gets a huge amount of terran opponents/doesn't rage and or tilt from losing to tosses
tie for 2nd naniwa or thorzain. nani is a GREAT protoss player, however, if he played another race he would most likely only be "average". thorzain has this ability called "produce results" and it seems that it never runs out of moves. Obviously he has some mad hax cause hyper beam was only like 5 charges. "produce results" seems to be infinite.
3rd koreans. The reason I put koreans here is because although they might have better mechanics, they are going to get cheesed HARD and American/Euro style of say ZvZ is MUCH different than KR style.
bottom 3
catz/destiny, their macro is mediocre--it is just a matter of scouting waht the hell they're doing, which is entertaining, funny, and can be good but their "taktics" would work much better if they would improve their macro.
don't know others attending, and I'm too lazy to go look.
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On June 02 2011 07:11 Drazzyo wrote:
so basicly you aren't really from the united states
i am. i just like people based on their personality... not just because we're from the same country. i don't understand the home team thing since i am irrelevant to their success
i want sheth to win too, but i was only allowed 3!
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On June 02 2011 07:08 Mouzone wrote:
I hope DongRaegu wins! Would love to see him at least take a high placement. Other than him I'm rooting for incontrol.
DRG....I wish fanboy
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you must speak korean that sktheanthem because they are not english speakers to my knollege
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On June 02 2011 07:14 Mouzone wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 07:13 brentsen wrote:On June 02 2011 07:08 Mouzone wrote:
I hope DongRaegu wins! Would love to see him at least take a high placement. Other than him I'm rooting for incontrol. Does he even participate? I don't think he does. oO In my mind he does!
Oh okay and I thought I missed something. Would be awesome.
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Win: Idra, Ret, Destiny (x])
Lose: Incontrol, Cruncher, Sheth. All the Koreans as well though...
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On June 02 2011 04:35 Drazzyo wrote:
to win: Mr.bitter idrA and catZ(in that order mr.bitter being first place)
to fail: Cruncher any terran and any toss besides cruncher
I'm trying to decipher this. You want cruncher AND any toss besides cruncher to fail. You want all terran and protoss to fail. And you have failed to even present your fail opinion in a successful manner. This is what we call a Double Fail.
To win: Idra, Naniwa, and TLO (will TLO be there..? tell me TLO will be there...) top 3 in any order.
To lose: Gretorp.
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Why would you say who you want to lose? Kind of lame tbh...
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On June 02 2011 07:20 sereniity wrote:
Why would you say who you want to lose? Kind of lame tbh...
Cause it's what the OP asks for? And because we all think it, don't see the point in not sharing it? Doesn't hurt anyone does it?
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who i want to win:
tyler: its about damn time that this man gets a win. chilltoss fighting!
naniwa: he said his confidence was a little shaken after not winning the tsl3. if i cant have tyler win, next i would want naniwa to win so he has full confidence in himself when he goes to korea. more than anything i would love to see a kickass foreign (PROTOSS) win the gsl
who else maybe idra i dunno
dont really have any picks to lose i hope everyone does well ^^
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So given your spoiler, I'm guessing the results of the house COTH are already known? Shame, I was going to watch it. Now I know the winner. Did not think the results had been spoiled.
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to win:
tyler because i just rewatched that video of his first courage
mma because hes a sick baller
tastosis because theyre there
to lose:
i dont really care but i dont want or expect any Koreans to get rolled
and im hoping for a cruncher vs idra
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To win:
Select, its his time. Sup son?
To lose:
Tyler, because the unwarranted hype needs to end. He simply isn't a very good SC2 player.
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To Win:
Ret - please for the love of god everyone let him make drones for the first 10 minutes =]
qxc - needs to scan the island remind the scene that hes still got it
CatZ - Proxy hatch your way into the top 16 yo
To Lose:
Cruncher - Can't stand the way he acts or plays
The Koreans - To be blunt i hope they even manage to lose any game they play against eachother :p
sjMajOr - see cruncher
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I read up to Catz and Destiny to win, I dont think its worth enough of a read.
To win
1.MMA
2.Losira
3.Idra
To lose
1.Destiny
2.Moonan
3.Haypro
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Russian Federation83 Posts
hope to win :
Naniwa(cause he is awesome and deserves to go to Korea instead of Sase)
MMA,no comments,he is the best,losing 20 scv after harrass and still winning
Ret, want to see more games from him,good games
to lose:
Tyler, don't like him,havent seen any interesting games from him.
Thorzain,cool guy,but nothing else.
Haypro,so he will show that Korea didnt teach him anything,he was better before he went there
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To Win: Select
To Lose: Cruncher (is he attending it? I'm not sure)
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To Win : Bomber, Losira, and MMA
To Lose : Incontrol, Tyler, and Thorszian
Why? I feel like incontrol and tyler started a lot of unnecessary drama about Koreans coming to NA. Trying to say no foreigners that win MLG wouldn't take up the offer to Korea is really dumb. Not only that but I believe foreign players are getting by on such average play right now. They need some Koreans to steal their money to show them they need to step their game up.
Oh yeah and I want thorzian to lose because team liquid hyped him up so ridiculously much. Yes he is good, no he isn't even one of the top five terrans in the world.
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Winners:
Tyler - He's simply awesome and really needs and deserves a win.
csn-guy - showing mlg/gsl/the-world that special treatment is for sissies.
Sheth - He's fantastic and super duper nice. Totally deserves it.
Any Swede
Losers:
The other koreans - I don't want them to get crushed, just not win.
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win: MMA bomber idra
lose: tyler incontrol cruncher
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Winners -
MooN - Big fan from WC3 day. He got a bad rep because he doesn't own the Korean scene but he still manages to pwn pretty much every foreigner he faces. Hopefully a win will shut some of the haters up.
Naniwa - I'd just like to see someone rise to dominate the foreign scene for a while. Coupled with Naniwa's stats and results since last MLG a win here would put him as the best foreigner for sure.
TLO - Great player but has been falling a little bit short ever since he returned from Korea and had to take a break. As a big fan of him from beta and early sc2 days I'd love to see him grab another big win.
Losers:
Don't have any particular players I want to lose.
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For the betterment of the foreign scene, i wish:
To Win: MMA, Losira and Bomber. Foreigners need to be humiliated. They need an electroshock to start training more seriously.
To lose:
- Destiny/Catz kind of players: I hope SC2 will become a compettive sport and not some kind of WWF.
- InControl: bad player and full of drama.
- Idra: whines too much, doesn't train enough lately.
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Winners: All of the Koreans, I don't particularly care for the foreigner scene. Would like to see Select and TLO do well though, I do like them quite a bit.
Losers: The rest of the foreigners
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Three to win:
1. Ret
Because around 1 month ago, after losing to Nani in the TSL, at probably the lowest point in his SC2 career to date, he wrote this post in the fanclub:
On April 23 2011 00:29 Liquid`Ret wrote:
I don't really have much to say, but this doesnt deserve to be bumped atm, words are meaningless anyways, the only thing that counts is actions from this pt forward.
And from that point on he proceeded to tear his NASL group apart when nobody expected it. I would be the happiest man alive (well, maybe 2nd happiest =p) if he were to crown his heroic comeback with an MLG win.
2. TLO
Not much to say that hasn't been said already. The charity marathon was enough to make me a fan for life, let alone being one of the nicest personalities in the SC2 community, a Liquid member, an inspiring Terran AND one of the few foreigners to perform consistently in GSL and be competitive on the Korean scene in general.
Also, The Emperor himself is his fan.
3. QXC
There's this tendency among a good amount of TL posters to have a really short memory. QXC's play has been underwhelming lately, but he's got an actual valid excuse for it. He still managed to beat Genius and he beat SeleCT how many times now? I lost count. He was the only one that actually posed a challenge to Idra in his MLG DC landslide win. He is the premium foreign Terran, and I hope he does well enough to remind everyone of that fact.
The Close but no Cigar section:
Tyler - He's a fantastic person and player, and a Brood War legend, and on top of it he's on "my" team, and I initially had him over QXC on the list. But then I realized I don't really see the same iron man determination that Ret seems to have in him, and at least QXC has the excuse of studying abroad. I love Tyler, but I love NonY more, and he needs to stop messing with NonY's reputation. =p
Naniwa - I used to really dislike him in the past, as I dislike most people who lack basic manners and sportsmanship (and his play wasn't really awe-inspiring either). But then he changed his attitude, and he now seems to be one of the nicer people in SC2 community, he became a beastly Protoss in the process, and he has drive, ambition and the fucking GUTS required to become a true champion (yes, this is about wanting to compete on the Korean scene when so many other "top" foreigners dodge it).
As for the other category, I don't hate anyone that much that I'd want to go at length about it. That said, I won't shed a tear if Losira, Idra, Morrow and Incontrol don't do well. =P
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To win:
Idra
MMA
TLO
To lose:
Major
Naniwa
Cruncher
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to win:
the koreans
i'd like continuous korean domination ^_^
to fail:
the westerners, with europeans in the middle
kekekeke
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Win: Bomber, Select, MMA
Lose: Moon, Tyler, Thorzain.
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To win : Idra, Losira, Destiny
To lose: Cruncher
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To win :
Morrow : I'm a fanboy
MMA : i love slayers terran
Naniwa : it would be good to see a 2 times in a row champion
Huk : i think he is underrated, watching his games in korea
(yeah, sorry, i have 4 people :p)
To loose :
Cruncher : i hate his abusive play
Moon : cause he said (even if it was a joke) that korean owns white dudes, just with one tournament...
Desrow : i don't like this guy at all
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On June 02 2011 06:27 TofuFox wrote:
To Win:
Moonan
He seems to have stream nerve issues, so his only on-stream play has been bad, but despite losing to Huk on stream he made it through the loser's bracket all the way to Socke before losing again. Only losses those TvPs (and he's beaten Socke since) and the TvZ consolation against Idra.
Gretorp
Sure, he abuses the english language when he casts. And yes, MLG is too generous in defending pool players in general. I've criticized it before. But you know what? It wasn't too generous to him at Dallas. The open bracket was hardly a joke, but compared to his pool?
His run:
(L) Kiwikaki 0-2
(L) Idra 0-2
(L) Socke 0-2
(L) Huk 1-2
(W) OptikZero 2-0
(L) Haypro 1-2
(And then beating either Vibe or Mihai - I forget which - in consolation rounds).
The only player who finished behind Gretorp and beat any player of the quality Gretorp lost to was Pokebunny (who beat Sheth before losing out to Naniwa and vile.Hawk in the Open Bracket). You can't just look at records when the competition in pool play is that much harder than the open bracket. His run wasn't impressive, but the man has far more haters than he deserves over Dallas and I hope he disappoints them at Columbus.
Haypro
Staying in Korea can make it hard to break through, or judge a player. He's recently moved back to Europe ... and promptly gotten sick. Let's hope he's recovered in time for MLG.
I beat Fenix too ;o
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On June 02 2011 08:18 legaton wrote:
For the betterment of the foreign scene, i wish:
To Win: MMA, Losira and Bomber. Foreigners need to be humiliated. They need an electroshock to start training more seriously.
To lose:
- Destiny/Catz kind of players: I hope SC2 will become a compettive sport and not some kind of WWF.
- InControl: bad player and full of drama.
- Idra: whines too much, doesn't train enough lately.
lol if you think foreigners are going to start training 10 hours a day and that they should be reprimanded for NOT having a sweatshop mentality in team houses than you've got another thing coming. As for idra....wanting someone to lose for not practicing enough? The balance talk sure but that other part seems odd.
win:TLO, QXC, Axslav
lose: no one.
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Three I Want to Win:
1. LiquidTyler - I hope that he's been putting in the work he needs to play at the level he is known for. A good result will hopefully break his slump.
2. ROOTKiWiKaKi - Relatively unknown to the Korean scene. In general I want someone that Koreans don't know to do very well, and Kiwi is my favorite contender that doesn't have a lot of exposure to the Korean community.
3. LiquidHayprO - He's so good but hasn't shown results that reflect his talent. Hopefully the move back to Europe will put him in a good mindset and I hope he does very well.
4. Moriwo - Pretty cool guy.
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On June 02 2011 07:23 Aelip wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 07:20 sereniity wrote:
Why would you say who you want to lose? Kind of lame tbh... Cause it's what the OP asks for? And because we all think it, don't see the point in not sharing it? Doesn't hurt anyone does it?
Isn't it obvious that it DOES hurt the people that you wish loses? I wouldn't like to come into this thread and be mentioned in the losing list, it's kind of rude to be honest, some people write down quite harsh thoughts about the people they wish loses...
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I hope IdrA wins frankly, would be nice to see Thorzain or someone crushing all the toss then losing to IdrA in the finals! One can only hope though ;D
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Players to win:
Haypro - Would be awesome if he would have more success. I can only guess that he's put in very many practice hours in the ogs house without getting the results he really wanted in tournaments. I feel that it's only a matter of time before he starts performing well in tournaments.
Morrow - Always been one of my favourite players, even when he played terran. Been doing really well lately and feels like he's won enough silver medals since his switch to zerg that he's second only to MKP in not quite getting all the way.
Ret - Well, it's ret. Ret macro, Ret win. When he plays well it always amazes me how someone can ever get that many roaches and drones that fast.
I'm a bit sad I can't fit Sheth into my top3 because I really would like to. Seems like the nicest guy ever and plays a really fun style to watch.
To lose, hmm...
Destiny - I just don't really like this guy. He seems immature and quite overrated because he has a stream where he acts immature which amuses people.
Cruncher - Again just don't really like him. Seems childish and plays a play style I think is boring to watch.
Can't really think of anyone else for the third one. Don't really dislike any other players. Would maybe be Naniwa because I'm still not 100% convinced he has changed his old ways. However he's certainly trying and there's no denying that he's clearly one of the absolute best players outside Korea at the moment, so I'd say he deserves to do well just because of that. I like watching players who are actually good at the game win.
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On June 02 2011 08:50 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 07:23 Aelip wrote:On June 02 2011 07:20 sereniity wrote:
Why would you say who you want to lose? Kind of lame tbh... Cause it's what the OP asks for? And because we all think it, don't see the point in not sharing it? Doesn't hurt anyone does it? Isn't it obvious that it DOES hurt the people that you wish loses? I wouldn't like to come into this thread and be mentioned in the losing list, it's kind of rude to be honest, some people write down quite harsh thoughts about the people they wish loses...
Let's say you would attend MLG this week and you do not want to read that people want to see you lose, why would you go in to this thread then? Combine the title of the thread + that everyone can't wish you to win it all. A simple conclusion of what you can find in here.
If a player attending MLG is so sensitive about it, it is his own fault going in to this thread. loL
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hmm
win:
VT members
july(if its true)
idra- hes doing well lately. just want him to win another title.
bomber- hes top 3 terran in the world. of course he should win
naniwa- the great naniwa
lose:
select- just cause hes been in the top too long and usually beat opponents i want to move on hes very good though. i still think he will make top 10, he always makes it far. too bad i dont think he can ever take one of these down though.
tlo- his playstyle is becoming very cheesy instead of creative like he use to be.
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ROOT will succeed and continue to show they are the best team in NA.
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major is the most potential player in NA right now tbh. I could see him doing very well in the future.
I hope kiwi win this time, so many second place already.
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Really would like TLO to do well, but he probably won't considering his carpal tunnel just got worse
I also hope no one fails
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To win: Tyler, for all the reasons people have been saying. Koreans, because they are better StarCraft players, and I want them to show it.
To lose: No one, because I'm not that petty.
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ret, idra, losira for the win. i'd be fine with any of the korean terrans/select taking away the prize too. also hoping that destiny proves himself to some degree, although i'm kinda doubtful at this point
major and cruncher are the 2 players i most want to see lose. i can't think of a third off the top of my head, but i'm sure one exists.
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whoever plays Bomber and MMA are likely in deep shit
they are just so amazing
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Want idra, MR BITTERS and MMA, mainly mr bitters though.
i'd like destiny to fail 3 times, but if not i'll take catz getting destroyed too.
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To win:
Demuslim - Prove the haters wrong
Catz - Prove the haters wrong
Tyler - GLORY
To lose:
There's people i don't want to see win, but when i think about those people getting crushed instead I feel very sad. I don't want to shit on the dreams of anybody.
I hope the most humble and hard working (or most deserving) players do the best at MLG.
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hope demuslim, tyler and everybody else does good
i don't wish anyone to fail because i'm not a dick
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To win..
1)A korean
2)A korean
3)A korean
To lose...just Naniwa, because I feel he's overrated and he had an easy path last MLG and last TSL
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To win:
1. 'Liquid player - Ret, Haypro and Tyler in particular, but any one will do.
2. DeMuslim - Love his playstyle, very likable personality
3. ThorZain - Strong style, he makes exciting game.
To lose:
1. Bomber - Because a Korean losing a MLG hopefully will help the "Koreans are so much better, dosn't even compare, stay away from Korea foriegners, etc. etc."
2. Losira - Same as Bomber
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I really want idra to get his face stomped in cause he needs to get knocked down a couple of notches but I wanna see Naniwa do well as well as the koreans.
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pretty sure destiny and catz are going to get fucking dominated by better players, i see no chance for them to actually win
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win:
SeleCT - very strong terran i love watching play
Gretorp - been a fan since his days of streaming BW, it may not come out in NASL but he is an outstanding player
Drewbie - extremely entertaining player to watch (as well as the rest of his team)
lose:
Sheth - nothing really against him but his fans get on my nerves
Cruncher - boring player
MMA - itd be funny to see a top tier korean get taken down at a LAN, no excuses ;D
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On June 02 2011 09:39 Warpath wrote:
MMA - itd be funny to see a top tier korean get taken down at a LAN, no excuses ;D
sadly people will always find something to blame for a korean lost, ei: jetlag :/
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Win:
TLO: Really want to see something good from him
Ret: Kickass zerg, but just doesn't seem to get too far in these
Tyler: ....I really wanna see Liquid pull out of their slump >.>
Lose:
Cruncher: Hate his style of play. Seems to talk a lot of shit too.
Bomber: Tired of the dick riding. I want an upset
No one else in particular
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This is kinda a troll thread but I will say who I would like to make it: demuslim mma and select
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Win:
1. ST.Bomber. I think MLG should be won by the best player, and I think either him or MMA are the favorites.
2. FXO.QXC. He's been slumping lately and could really use a comeback. I'm a big fan of his stream. I don't think he'd win, I'd just like to see him back in the championship bracket.
3. EG.Lzgamer. Like QXC, I'm a fan of his stream. Did great in beta, and still really good, but hasn't earned any big tournament wins so far.
Lose:
1. Gretorp. The fact he's still seeded exemplifies everything wrong with the MLG format.
2. FOX.Moon. I don't want to see Koreans sweep Colombus, and I think Moon is the weakest link of the bunch.
3. Root.Destiny. Not a fan of the guy in general.
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win: IdrA, Tyler, iNcontrol
lose: cruncher, no one else really. Im gonna root againts the koreans, not because I have anything against the players, but I gotta cheer for the foreigners :p
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Win:
MMA: I'm a big SlayerS fan, hes also a great player
Idra: One of the best zergs out there, I personally like his games
TLO (or any Liquid player): I want to see some interesting stuff, Also interested if staying in a team house has made him improve, pull Liquid out of their slump.
Lose:
Bomber: I think he is over hyped and needs to lose a bit
Cruncher: Boring play style
ThorZain: He wrecked my Liquibet in the TSL
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On June 02 2011 09:33 -Strider- wrote:
To lose...just Naniwa, because I feel he's overrated and he had an easy path last MLG and last TSL
I really hope you are trolling. His paths were no way easy, and he had a win spree of like 35 Best of X
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Hmm. im liking the OP's picks.
to do well -
Idra - by far the most fun to watch, great player, great drama.
destiny - same as idra except not such a great player and not as much drama. i like him though
Demuslim - nice guy and englands only real hope
to fail
moon - looks too much like an alien and seems overrated
gretorp - looks too dopey and seems like hes has an easy ride
incontrol - well, not exactly weird looking and hes a nice guy but i think hes been kind of lucky with his recent okayish results.
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Gretorp comment was rather funny, since that was pretty much Incontrol last MLG* and he ended up Top 4
To Win:
Incontrol: I just love the guy, funny and in his own way charming. This is the kinda guy I want to see in an winners interview.
TLO: I don't think I need to explain how this guy is awesome and deserves a big win.
Haypro: Everyone says he's awesome, I've seen some awesome games of him, but somehow has no real results to show for it yet... Here's hoping he breaks that curse.
To fail
Gonna name just one guy. Everyone else I wish the best, but I'm hoping this is the tournament Idra gets wacked really hard, like top 32 hard. I think the current system makes it almost impossible for him to do that badly... But hey a guy can always hope.
Yes I know that in saying that I really hope he fails I'm basically saying I might follow his matches more than some other guy and maybe the game needs some villains. I hate how the world works sometimes.
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To WIn
-Stable Stream
-Stable Internet
-Not having to see we will be back momentarily
To Lose
-Cruncher
-Gretorp
-Moon
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To win: Tyler, I really want him to have some success and want him to win mlg more than anyone. He's the reason I play toss <3
IdrA and Incontrol also hopefully will do well.
I don't want anyone to fail, can't say there is anyone I remotely dislike or anything.
EDIT: Changed Jinro to IdrA cos Jinro is in Korea.
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On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC
Ever heard of lag?:D Except for thorzain vs mc which was actually 3-2 and they both played from Europe.
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On June 02 2011 09:33 ELA wrote:
To win:
1. 'Liquid player - Ret, Haypro and Tyler in particular, but any one will do.
2. DeMuslim - Love his playstyle, very likable personality
3. ThorZain - Strong style, he makes exciting game.
To lose:
1. Bomber - Because a Korean losing a MLG hopefully will help the "Koreans are so much better, dosn't even compare, stay away from Korea foriegners, etc. etc."
2. Losira - Same as Bomber
3. idrA - Getting tired of his approach to the game - "Everyone else OP, this game is retarded" is annyoing to keep hearing, especially in a period where Zergs are doing great.
I wouldn't neccessarily say Zergs are doing great. Nestea is doing great, because he's fucking ridiculous.
The only other Zergs really winning anything recently are Idra (IPL) and Losira (Code A), as opposed to Terran and Protoss where a load of players are winning stuff all over the place.
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To do well-
1) KiWiKaKi- As a player who consistently does well in MLG, since he switched over from WC3, placing in the top 3 of quite a few tournaments, I really want him to finally get the gold after just getting second so many times. In the last MLG, KiWi seemed to be on a rampage, 2-0ing everyone, huk, idra, etc. until finally losing to Naniwa
2) MMA- MMA is known for very clutch play in the GSTL, pulling off wins against very strong opponents when the pressure is on.
3)Thorzain - Say of him what you will, what he showed us in the TSL is that he's very capable of solid play against any opponent, pulling off wins against very strong players, fruitdealer, MC, and coming back from being 3-1 in the hole against Naniwa, who was coming off a huge winning streak in the last MLG, only losing 2 games to the aforementioned KiWiKaKi
To do poorly
I really don't want anyone to do poorly, except I do want gretorp to either show that he is capable of doing well at the 16th seed or be put into the open bracket
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Rather than hoping to win or fail, I have a list of players I'm on the lookout for to see how they do.
1) Koreans: Curious to see how they will do in their first foreigner tournament (for most) and how they will combat/overcome jetlag as well as the MLG format and maps (vs GSL).
2) ThorZaiN: Definitely a talented and amazing player. Hope to see him showcase his skills in a tournament format, without weeks of preparation on a single match-up.
3) MajOr: Lots of hype, positive and negative. Interested in seeing how he will perform in his first major SC2 competition and if we will get a glimpse of his real skill level.
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Win:
SeleCT - This guy has been performing well consistently at MLG . Been topping the NA since he got back from korea and has been my favorite player for quite some time now. I think he deserves to win MLG soon.
Fxomoonan - He got 8th last MLG and showed some great games and has consistently been at the top of NA ladder. He also won a courage tournament in BW i suspect great things from him.
Kiwikaki - He has been in the finals twice. He is fun to watch and just a great player i think he also deserves a win.
Slush - Hasn't been doing as well as of late but has been consistent at MLG and is fun to watch. I hope he does well.
Lose:
Nobody obviously I don't want anyone to do badly at MLG.
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1. Bomber - Arguably the best Terran in the world, definitely the most skilled player at the tournament, will be interesting to see if he can turn that into results.
2. Idra - He left Korea to dominate the foreign scene. Aside from that good IPL result he's not done that and really needs to win another big tournament to reclaim/cement his place as a top foreigner.
3. Thorzain - He's a one hit wonder right now. Needs a big performance here or at Dreamhack to show he can play without weeks of preperation and consistantly in a lag free/lan enviroment.
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i like thorzain's play, but hes not a handsome nerd, kinda awkward and nerdy
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On June 02 2011 10:37 Darkthorn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Ever heard of lag?:D Except for thorzain vs mc which was actually 3-2 and they both played from Europe.
Blaming ThorZains losses on lag? No, just no...
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On June 02 2011 10:51 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 10:37 Darkthorn wrote:On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Ever heard of lag?:D Except for thorzain vs mc which was actually 3-2 and they both played from Europe. Blaming ThorZains losses on lag? No, just no...
Feel free to run the Korea ping test to see what latency you'd get playing on their servers. I got 425ms to them, I don't know how anyone could suggest you'd be able to play close to your best like that.
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really want tyler to do well!
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On June 02 2011 10:50 koolaid1990 wrote:i like thorzain's play, but hes not a handsome nerd, kinda awkward and nerdy
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hIuIX.jpg)
Handsome? Check
Nerdy? Check
Awkward? ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
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Not including the koreans cause it's obvious they'll take 3 of the top 4 slots, unless they get bracket fucked and knock each other out.
To Win: Naniwa, Select, Kiwikaki - all 3 are consistent as all hell in their game play so nice to see it pay off for them.
To Lose: Idra (just to see everyone rage on TL and give excuses on why he lost), Incontrol (just to see everyone rage on TL about him being overrated), Catz (his last blow up and constant crying about Koreans in NASL being unfair to lesser players, would love to see him get kicked out by Koreans)
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Win: TDAttero, Liquid Tyler, Incontrol
Lose: Idra, and all the Koreans
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On June 02 2011 10:53 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 10:51 sereniity wrote:On June 02 2011 10:37 Darkthorn wrote:On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Ever heard of lag?:D Except for thorzain vs mc which was actually 3-2 and they both played from Europe. Blaming ThorZains losses on lag? No, just no... Feel free to run the Korea ping test to see what latency you'd get playing on their servers. I got 425ms to them, I don't know how anyone could suggest you'd be able to play close to your best like that.
Thorzain played Fruitdealer (Kor-Eu, which I think was just played on NA), Tyler (EU-NA), MC (Both were in EU when this happened), Kas (EU-EU), and Naniwa (NA-NA, a room apart).
The only match which you could even argue that was influenced by lag was him vs FD, and more went into Fruitdealer's loss than latency.
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y hate on gretorp?? he is obviously good.. even if you have a losing record, being able to take games of players in such a high level tournament is pretty crazy... no need for the hate!
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On June 02 2011 11:03 Scribble wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 10:53 Blasphemi wrote:On June 02 2011 10:51 sereniity wrote:On June 02 2011 10:37 Darkthorn wrote:On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Ever heard of lag?:D Except for thorzain vs mc which was actually 3-2 and they both played from Europe. Blaming ThorZains losses on lag? No, just no... Feel free to run the Korea ping test to see what latency you'd get playing on their servers. I got 425ms to them, I don't know how anyone could suggest you'd be able to play close to your best like that. Thorzain played Fruitdealer (Kor-Eu, which I think was just played on NA), Tyler (EU-NA), MC (Both were in EU when this happened), Kas (EU-EU), and Naniwa (NA-NA, a room apart). The only match which you could even argue that was influenced by lag was him vs FD, and more went into Fruitdealer's loss than latency.
Have you ever actually tried to play a game, any game, with 400ms? I don't think people realise quite how awful that is.
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On June 02 2011 10:38 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 09:33 ELA wrote:
To win:
1. 'Liquid player - Ret, Haypro and Tyler in particular, but any one will do.
2. DeMuslim - Love his playstyle, very likable personality
3. ThorZain - Strong style, he makes exciting game.
To lose:
1. Bomber - Because a Korean losing a MLG hopefully will help the "Koreans are so much better, dosn't even compare, stay away from Korea foriegners, etc. etc."
2. Losira - Same as Bomber
3. idrA - Getting tired of his approach to the game - "Everyone else OP, this game is retarded" is annyoing to keep hearing, especially in a period where Zergs are doing great.
I wouldn't neccessarily say Zergs are doing great. Nestea is doing great, because he's fucking ridiculous. The only other Zergs really winning anything recently are Idra (IPL) and Losira (Code A), as opposed to Terran and Protoss where a load of players are winning stuff all over the place.
8 of the top 16 in NASL are Z...
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to win : Moon
to fail horribly : Idra, hes gonna pull another hallucination ragequit, or some kinda ragequit (I know thats not much of a prediction because its almost a given, but eh)
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To win:
Naniwa - I was on this train way before he won the last MLG.
iNcontroL - He has something to prove and I love how excited he was about his last finish.
MMA - My favorite Korean in attendance.
To lose:
Destiny.
There's nobody else I dislike, I wish them all the best!
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On June 02 2011 11:09 ak1knight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 10:38 Blasphemi wrote:On June 02 2011 09:33 ELA wrote:
To win:
1. 'Liquid player - Ret, Haypro and Tyler in particular, but any one will do.
2. DeMuslim - Love his playstyle, very likable personality
3. ThorZain - Strong style, he makes exciting game.
To lose:
1. Bomber - Because a Korean losing a MLG hopefully will help the "Koreans are so much better, dosn't even compare, stay away from Korea foriegners, etc. etc."
2. Losira - Same as Bomber
3. idrA - Getting tired of his approach to the game - "Everyone else OP, this game is retarded" is annyoing to keep hearing, especially in a period where Zergs are doing great.
I wouldn't neccessarily say Zergs are doing great. Nestea is doing great, because he's fucking ridiculous. The only other Zergs really winning anything recently are Idra (IPL) and Losira (Code A), as opposed to Terran and Protoss where a load of players are winning stuff all over the place. 8 of the top 16 in NASL are Z...
I don't put much weight on NASL group play if they dominate the LAN in the same way then that's a different thing.
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To Win: Destiny - I'd like to see him do well in the open bracket. He's faired well against some good players recently on the ladder and in custom games and I'm a fan of his stream -.^
Tyler - Like many here I want to see Tyler do well. He has a tough pool, though. I'm not sure where his PvZ is at right now.
Idra - I play zerg and I love watching him ZvT and in his pool I'll get to see it a lot and I hope he wins those games.
To Lose: No one really for me personally. I would've said Nani a couple weeks ago because he seemed like a bit of a prude to me but after he was on State of the Game the other day and after watching that behind the scenes video with him at Dallas I have a new found understanding of European humor and see him in a different light now . I also think he's very determined to win this one because he was very disappointed in himself after the TSL and is a good karaoke singer.
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I am rooting for the koreans.
since everyone else seems to be rooting for the others. I hope they go 1 2 3, and 4. I don't care in what order.
I wouldn't mind seeing the german beast TLO winning a MLG.
To win:
Koreans
TLO
Tyler
To Lose: Destiny, TT1, and Catz.
Edit: oh shiit I need 3 and 3
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On June 02 2011 10:51 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 10:37 Darkthorn wrote:On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Ever heard of lag?:D Except for thorzain vs mc which was actually 3-2 and they both played from Europe. Blaming ThorZains losses on lag? No, just no...
I am blaming other's people loses on lag not his...
By other people I mean: FD,NesTea,MvP...most of the koreans...
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On June 02 2011 11:12 ZergMaestro wrote:
I am rooting for the koreans.
since everyone else seems to be rooting for the others. I hope they go 1 2 3, and 4. I don't care in what order.
I wouldn't mind seeing the german beast TLO winning a MLG.
To Lose: Destiny, TT1, and Catz. (EDIT) and HuK
HuK isn't even in MLG lol
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On June 02 2011 11:19 ak1knight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 11:12 ZergMaestro wrote:
I am rooting for the koreans.
since everyone else seems to be rooting for the others. I hope they go 1 2 3, and 4. I don't care in what order.
I wouldn't mind seeing the german beast TLO winning a MLG.
To Lose: Destiny, TT1, and Catz. (EDIT) and HuK HuK isn't even in MLG lol
Welp I'm retarded then. I like rooting against players, or a team more then rooting for them. Its how I like to watch my sports.
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To win:
TLO - self-explanatory. Especially with his carpal tunnel, but still powering through starcraft without borders, he's just a trooper, really creative, and has amazing micro, fan since the start. He's consistently done well, hope he overcomes all odds despite physical limits and nabs the title!
Tyler - hella chill bro, hope he finds his mojo back and gets some big wins.
ThorZain - hope he stuns the haters and proves that he's not a one-hit wonder.
No one really to dislike and hoep to lose, maybe just whatever opponents face the above 3
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To Win:
1) Open Bracket Player. Some unknown player not even sponsored just to shove it and rub it in the pros faces.
2) Idra. I really feel for him and his troubles that he has to go through and all of his ideas and points of Zerg.
3) Thorzain (he is in open bracket also but I really like him)
4) Root Players. Really underdog team so if any team has to win I hope its them.
Losers
1) SOTG Protoss Players. Nony aka Tyler. I can't stand this guys personality and attitude. I just think he lacks motivation and that "eye of the tiger." He seems weak and there is a reason why he hasnt done anything big in SC2 tournament scene. He recently played the campain again.. but this is just my opinion.
INcontrol.: Both Tyler and Jeff I find sooo full of themselves. This is just my what I think and is my opinon. I feel both of them to be too cocky enough and not on par with their skill levels. I.E. they talk alot but have nothing to show for it. Jeff is at least a really funny guy which is why is is not number 1.I would love for these guys to get shut out in every game that they play.
I would also like to note I loveeee state of the game. But I belive people give these guys way more credit then I think they deserve. *(this statement is an opinon and of course subject to my personal bais I have.)
3) vVv Clan
4) Any Terran Players that do a 2rax/3rax allin with scv's on a close position map.
5) Koreans. I really want them to get eliminated early and be baffled at the foreign scenes strength. Although unlikely I would love to see them lose to Open Bracket Players and eliminated.
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to fail: mma, bomber, losira, moon
to win: anyone else..
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On June 02 2011 11:11 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 11:09 ak1knight wrote:On June 02 2011 10:38 Blasphemi wrote:On June 02 2011 09:33 ELA wrote:
To win:
1. 'Liquid player - Ret, Haypro and Tyler in particular, but any one will do.
2. DeMuslim - Love his playstyle, very likable personality
3. ThorZain - Strong style, he makes exciting game.
To lose:
1. Bomber - Because a Korean losing a MLG hopefully will help the "Koreans are so much better, dosn't even compare, stay away from Korea foriegners, etc. etc."
2. Losira - Same as Bomber
3. idrA - Getting tired of his approach to the game - "Everyone else OP, this game is retarded" is annyoing to keep hearing, especially in a period where Zergs are doing great.
I wouldn't neccessarily say Zergs are doing great. Nestea is doing great, because he's fucking ridiculous. The only other Zergs really winning anything recently are Idra (IPL) and Losira (Code A), as opposed to Terran and Protoss where a load of players are winning stuff all over the place. 8 of the top 16 in NASL are Z... I don't put much weight on NASL group play if they dominate the LAN in the same way then that's a different thing.
I would put much weight in group play, but everybody have to make his own statistics.
Mine is (2.6.2011 4.30 cest)
- Top 2 of each group advance: 4 Zerg, 2 Protoss, 4 Terran
- Top 30 overall advance: 9 Terran, 9 Zerg, 12 Protoss
looks perfect reasonable and distributed to me 
If you stop counting after 16 for whatever reason you have 8 Zerg out of 16 players.
If you take top 4 you have 3 Zerg.
If you take top player, you have a terran.
Statistics is a whore
Back to topic (I don´t like it btw)
-To win:
Haypro (love his personality)
DDE (close to advance at NASL, like rising stars)
Demuslim (was fantastic, time to prove it after his injury)
-To lose:
undeserved seeded ones, can´t say special names. Imo it is just unfair to have such advantages over open bracket.
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On June 02 2011 11:08 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 11:03 Scribble wrote:On June 02 2011 10:53 Blasphemi wrote:On June 02 2011 10:51 sereniity wrote:On June 02 2011 10:37 Darkthorn wrote:On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Ever heard of lag?:D Except for thorzain vs mc which was actually 3-2 and they both played from Europe. Blaming ThorZains losses on lag? No, just no... Feel free to run the Korea ping test to see what latency you'd get playing on their servers. I got 425ms to them, I don't know how anyone could suggest you'd be able to play close to your best like that. Thorzain played Fruitdealer (Kor-Eu, which I think was just played on NA), Tyler (EU-NA), MC (Both were in EU when this happened), Kas (EU-EU), and Naniwa (NA-NA, a room apart). The only match which you could even argue that was influenced by lag was him vs FD, and more went into Fruitdealer's loss than latency. Have you ever actually tried to play a game, any game, with 400ms? I don't think people realise quite how awful that is.
Did you read my post..at all? He played one match where latency could have had a major effect, and there was far more going on in the FD games than just lag. Instead of looking at the servers and the results, try actually looking at the decisions the players made during the game and tell me that FD wouldn't have lost even if there was no lag at all.
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After reading this thread, I would like nothing more than for Gretorp to take a huge shit all over some of his anti-fans.
Figuratively of course.
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On June 02 2011 04:31 neo_sporin wrote:
EDIT:
to win:
Destiny--Before Dallas on SOTG the pillars basically said hes good but not great and won't do well, he doesn't take practice very seriously, etc. Well he has now qualified for IPL2 (something Tyler failed to do) and I hope this gives him some confidence to tear up the open bracket. Hopefully this time he doesn't let any spires die from being off of creep...
To fail!
Gretorp--Dear god, the guy has the 16th seed for Dallas because 2 people decide not so show and then he goes something like 2-5 (by all means correct me, but I'm pretty confident it was a very losing record) and gets 16th seed again. Someone please just knock him out of the pool play already. I don't mind him as a person so much, but just based on results and continued "success" in MLG it makes me sad that the system works in a way where someone can have pretty bad results, but still get seeded.
Well like it or not but Gretorp is clearly the better player...
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I highly doubt it would be bad for Ezportssz if Tyler decided to move on from progaming. Lol.
Three to win:
• IdrA
• Bomber
• MMA
Three to fail:
• 3(Do not care)
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Hope to win:
Liquid'Tyler - Dude definitely needs to break out of his slump. It's just getting bad now.
DDE - one of my favourite Terrans, I just want to see him play more games.
Major - This guy has a very interesting style, and I want to be able to see him play a lot of games too. I hate his personality, but play-style-wise I want him to win.
Hope to lose:
Catz - the guy is just not solid at all. I hate his play, I hate his playstyle, and I feel like he's just not a great player.
Destiny - this guy is in the same boat. Standard ladder player, not impressive in any way, not solid even, not a good player. Also, I dislike his normal personality.
And I want to see Idra lose some games in embarrassing fashion again, but I do like to see him play, so...
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3 to win
-TLO
-SeleCT
-any Evolution player (of course thats coming form me, lol)
To Lose
-IdrA
-Naniwa
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3 To Win:
-Someone Awesome
-Someone Else Awesome
-Someone Else That Is Also Awesome
3 To Lose
-Lag
-Eagles Possibly
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On June 02 2011 11:01 Irrelevant wrote:
Catz (his last blow up and constant crying about Koreans in NASL being unfair to lesser players, would love to see him get kicked out by Koreans)
Too bad he never cried about Koreans being in NASL.
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Select - Without doubt my favourite terran ever.
Thorzain - He's just so cute and fun to watch he needs to go far
Naniwa - Would love to see a rematch between him and Thorzain for the finals.
To lose
Idra - Some BM on my fav website and your constant QQing even though your a good player I wish you were more mature.
Catz - Overrated as a player IMO just hope to see Root crash and burn I guess.
Drewbie - Beat me in the Vancouver LAN sooo you know payback vicariously through MLG
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Well, everyone who was hoping to have bomber win just got their hopes crushed
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3 to win : IdrA , haypro and losira
3 to lose : Destiny , SixjaxMajOr and Drewbie
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To Win:
Losira
Tyler
Idra
To Lose:
Gretorp
Cruncher
Don't want any other players to play bad
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i hope the koreans will take over mlg
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To win
Day9
Tastosis
DJWheat
To lose
all technical difficulties
all scheduling issues
as seen in dallas
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On June 02 2011 11:38 nufcrulz wrote:
to fail: mma, bomber, losira, moon
to win: anyone else..
not racist at all..
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To win:
IdrA - My second favourite player in the world, if he doesn't tilt he's a very good chance at winning the event. Very sad I won't get to see him play Bomber though
MMA - Boxer jnr is just so sick
Ret - His form of late has been pretty solid, I think people are forgetting how good he is
To fail:
I don't like Cruncher but I wouldn't say I want him to crash and burn.
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Looks like you got your wish OP, one of the koreans had an improper visa in Bomber and cannot attend. Sad day for MLG having one of the korean stars now unable to participate in their event.
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To fail:
IdrA - This guy needs some humility. He thinks he's the best in the world but has no tournament wins to back it up. All talk, no results. The sad part is, if he loses it will be blamed on imba. Pathetic.
Dont want anyone else to fail
To Win:
MorroW/Moon/Losira -All fabulous zergs and I personally root for Moon and Morrow. Also if MorroW wins and IdrA loses, that will be the final slap in the face for IdrA for his BM after losing in IEM 2010 to MorroW (who was playing T at that time).
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On June 02 2011 04:40 AgentSmith wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Have you heard of a factor called latency? at Copenhagen games LAN MC 4-0ed Kas
Technically speaking it isn't actually lan.
And LOL
On June 02 2011 14:31 Piledriver wrote:
To fail:
IdrA - This guy needs some humility. He thinks he's the best in the world but has no tournament wins to back it up. All talk, no results. The sad part is, if he loses it will be blamed on imba. Pathetic.
To Win:
MorroW/Moon/Losira -All fabulous zergs and I personally root for Moon and Morrow. Also if MorroW wins and IdrA loses, that will be the final slap in the face for IdrA for his BM after losing in IEM 2010 to MorroW (who was playing T at that time).
Most people will agree that Idra is the top 5 zergs in the world. hohohoh
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I use all of my hopes on IdrA. I use all of my fails on not IdrA.
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On June 02 2011 14:31 Piledriver wrote:To fail: IdrA - This guy needs some humility. He thinks he's the best in the world but has no tournament wins to back it up. All talk, no results. The sad part is, if he loses it will be blamed on imba. Pathetic. Dont want anyone else to fail To Win: MorroW/Moon/Losira -All fabulous zergs and I personally root for Moon and Morrow. Also if MorroW wins and IdrA loses, that will be the final slap in the face for IdrA for his BM after losing in IEM 2010 to MorroW (who was playing T at that time).
If only that guy could win an MLG so people would believe in his ability.
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On June 02 2011 14:31 Piledriver wrote:To fail: IdrA - This guy needs some humility. He thinks he's the best in the world but has no tournament wins to back it up. All talk, no results. The sad part is, if he loses it will be blamed on imba. Pathetic. Dont want anyone else to fail To Win: MorroW/Moon/Losira -All fabulous zergs and I personally root for Moon and Morrow. Also if MorroW wins and IdrA loses, that will be the final slap in the face for IdrA for his BM after losing in IEM 2010 to MorroW (who was playing T at that time).
IPL would like to talk to you regarding Idra.
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On June 02 2011 14:31 Piledriver wrote:To fail: IdrA - This guy needs some humility. He thinks he's the best in the world but has no tournament wins to back it up. All talk, no results. The sad part is, if he loses it will be blamed on imba. Pathetic. Dont want anyone else to fail To Win: MorroW/Moon/Losira -All fabulous zergs and I personally root for Moon and Morrow. Also if MorroW wins and IdrA loses, that will be the final slap in the face for IdrA for his BM after losing in IEM 2010 to MorroW (who was playing T at that time).
No tournament wins? he won king of beta, mlg DC, and ign tournament.. thats actually quite alot in itself. And hes zerg. Since when has a zerg won ANYTHING in NA tournaments? MLG is dominated by protosses and terrans.
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On June 02 2011 14:40 koolaid1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 14:31 Piledriver wrote:To fail: IdrA - This guy needs some humility. He thinks he's the best in the world but has no tournament wins to back it up. All talk, no results. The sad part is, if he loses it will be blamed on imba. Pathetic. Dont want anyone else to fail To Win: MorroW/Moon/Losira -All fabulous zergs and I personally root for Moon and Morrow. Also if MorroW wins and IdrA loses, that will be the final slap in the face for IdrA for his BM after losing in IEM 2010 to MorroW (who was playing T at that time). No tournament wins? he won king of beta, mlg DC, and ign tournament.. thats actually quite alot in itself. And hes zerg. Since when has a zerg won ANYTHING in NA tournaments? MLG is dominated by protosses and terrans.
and he has qualified in the 3 gsl open seasons, made it to ro8 in one gsl, and got a pocketful of 2nd places to top it all off.
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On June 02 2011 14:04 Fall.182 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 11:38 nufcrulz wrote:
to fail: mma, bomber, losira, moon
to win: anyone else.. not racist at all..
Or maybe he's rooting foreigners on to hopefully make the impression on the community that you don't have to be Korean to do well.
You don't know shit, so don't start acting all righteous on an internet forum.
Hope: Tyler, Idra, Inc
Fail: Cruncher, Major, Moon (long live Grubby)
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To win:
Destiny: Love his mass infestor style and I haven't really seen anyone do it on the big stage yet. I want to see how it holds up in tournaments.
Naniwa: Because he's incredible. Nuff said.
Cruncher: The shitstorm that would ensue from cruncher finishing top 8 would entertain me for weeks.
To lose:
Idra: Noone likes a whiner.
CatZ: Some people call him innovative. I call him cheesy.
gretorp: I have never once been impressed by his play and am not sure how he got a seed at MLG in the first place.
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On June 02 2011 14:37 Whole wrote:
I use all of my hopes on IdrA. I use all of my fails on not IdrA.
same here
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Well if im being completely honest...
To do well: Morrow, thorzain, naniwa.
To not do well: incontrol, cruncher, TLO.
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Edit :- Well, now that I know July is going to MLG playing in the open bracket, it's gotta be July to win.
To lose :-
Idra, Inc, Major.
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On June 02 2011 14:40 neo_sporin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 14:31 Piledriver wrote:To fail: IdrA - This guy needs some humility. He thinks he's the best in the world but has no tournament wins to back it up. All talk, no results. The sad part is, if he loses it will be blamed on imba. Pathetic. Dont want anyone else to fail To Win: MorroW/Moon/Losira -All fabulous zergs and I personally root for Moon and Morrow. Also if MorroW wins and IdrA loses, that will be the final slap in the face for IdrA for his BM after losing in IEM 2010 to MorroW (who was playing T at that time). IPL would like to talk to you regarding Idra.
IPL lineup was extremely weak, even weaker than some TSL open qualifier tournaments, with no Europeans or Koreans, so ofc. he dominated. His only real competition was SeleCt, Sheth and KiWiKaKi. IdrA is the best player in NA, but world wide he is probably 6th or 7th zerg behind July, NesTea, Morrow, Dimaga, Losira (and perhaps even Moon, judging by their head to head record in the last IEM 2011 and Zenio). IMO the only tournament that he actually did well at was MLG DC, that too back in 2010. The past 6 months have been very mediocre, especially for a guy who talks smack like him. If you talk smack, you better have the dominating results to back it up.
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Nony needs to win, man. It's been too long.
Actually, all of Liquid needs to do really well. Clean up MLG like they did that one time... time to get out of this slump!
@ The guy above...
Those players being better than Idra is up for discussion, but I wouldnt say MorroW is at Idras level at all.
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TLOOOOOO to win
been doing so much for the community and is just a baller in general. Would love to see him go far.
Even if he doesn't advance far his games will probably be some of the most entertaining...as usual!
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win: idra, mc, destiny.
lose: well, to be honest, there's no one that I actually want to lose heheh. I just want everyone to do well, it makes me so sad to see players work so hard and then have poor results :c
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Players I hope win:
Moon
Grubby
Thorzain
Players I hope lose:
Naniwa ( up against moon )
Drewbie ( up against moon )
Slush ( up against moon )
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If theres one thing that Im hooping for it would be that just like last time; some players who make it through the open bracket really push for the tournament win.
As for wanting people to lose, none, the better everyone plays the better the matches.
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To Win : A vVv Player
A ONE Player
A FXO Player
To Lose : Koreans
(Don't really want anyone else to lose.. Just good matches, I guess rivalry teams like EG and compLexity)
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To Win:
1. MMA - He has impressed me and needs to finally get a non-TL tourney performance
2. Haypro - He is a much better player than his results indicate and hopefully he can break out of his tournament losing streak and put some good results.
3. Someone from the open bracket - I feel that the odds are rather stacked against players coming through the open brackets due to the nature of the format. So, I would root for the 'underdog' (though Thorzain/July are hardly underdogs)
To Lose:
1. Idra - I have no opinion on him either way but I find it hilarious to read the fanboy over-reactions when he loses.
2. Gretorp - It is obvious that he focusing on casting more than playing these days and has a pool play seed purely based on bad format.
3. I don't really hate any players as such and hope everyone shows good games.
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To win:
Tyler
Sheth
Losira
To lose:
MC
ggretorp
I don't know
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To win:
Thorzain - Fell in love with his play in TSL
Naniwa - Fell in love with his play last MLG
Any liquid player - Likable guys
To lose:
Idra - His reaction.
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To win select cuzz he deserves a big tournement name and he is NA's only hope in winning a gsl once
To perform well
Thorzain so the koreans wont say it was luck or lagg or all the other bs they said
Moonan because he blew my mind in dallas
Kiwikaki because i saw his loss in gsl 3 quilifier it was lame :/
To perform horibble
Moon dont like him dont like his ... Bm like changeling dropping when youre winning.
Mc for his retarded ego
The entire sixjax and Complexity team overhyped second rate players ESPecially cruncher
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To Win:
- ROOTDestiny: I love his stream, and he is a very funny and talented person imo. He is definitely not the best by any means, not even close, but he is the exemplification of a player who can play at the professional level and still have another life behind it. I find his "multitasking" abilities to be quite admirable. Plus I love his stream, did I mention that?
- EGIdra: As much as I would love to see how much he and his fanbase flips out if he loses, he is a very talented player, and the work he puts into the game absolutely deserves another MLG win.
- dNaniwa: Pure talent, nothing else to say about him. He absolutely deserves it.
- mouzThorzain: Also pure talent, deserves to win as much as Naniwa does.
To Lose
I don't like mentioning anyone because I'm a nice guy
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I want an another great story about a player that kicks ass in both open tournament, group play and then wins the entire thing.
Cheering for:
a) MorroW
b) ThorZain
c) Tyler
To lose:
a) Koreans
It might sound racist, but it's quite the opposite. I consider the Koreans to be better prepared for these kind of events and to have an upper hand, so gl hf foreigners.
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On June 02 2011 04:33 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:31 neo_sporin wrote:I wanted to hear some responses to who people HOPE to win and who you HOPE to fail at Columbus this weekend. Note--There is a difference between expecting and hoping. We expect the koreans to kick ass and chew bubble gum, but I don't know that many of us are hoping that happens. Also note: To win doesn't necessarily mean the entire thing. Making it to the championship bracket is a win in most players books For me: To win! Destiny--Before Dallas on SOTG the pillars basically said hes good but not great and won't do well, he doesn't take practice very seriouslt, etc. Well he has now qualified for IPL2 (something Tyler failed to do) and I hope this gives him some confidence to tear up the open bracket. Hopefully this time he doesn't let any spires die from being off of creep... Tyler--This guy needs a win. Rumors of him quitting (which he denied on SOTG), and I dont want him to. Mostly because it would be bad for esports if he did, but either way. I want him to do well enough to reinvigorate his play and stop himself from feeling like he isn't performing to his own standards Catz-- I split him away from destiny to make it look like im not Root or zerg biased...but I am. He took a game off MC which means he can at least make a good showing against the best in the world and hes generally just a nice and funny guy. To fail! Gretorp--Dear god, the guy has the 16th seed for Dallas because 2 people decide not so show and then he goes something like 2-5 (by all means correct me, but I'm pretty confident it was a very losing record) and gets 16th seed again. Someone please just knock him out of the pool play already. I don't mind him as a person so much, but just based on results and continued "success" in MLG it makes me sad that the system works in a way where someone can have pretty bad results, but still get seeded. Major--Anyone who thinks they deserve to get paid based on non-existent results deserves to get a swift kick in the teeth. Couple that with the rumored/theorized hacking and consistent team jumping...While I would never hope bad things on Artosis, I want his first recruitment to end in a very early exit from Columbus. 1-2 Koreans--Everyone knows they are extremely good but I wouldn't mind watching a few of them get destroyed if for nothing more than to give a bit more confidence to the west. Even after the WC Team portion almost every western tournament is still a tournament without koreans, and therefore tier 2. Heres to hoping a few are put in their place this weekend. The only problem I see with this is if they do get destroyed everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best" but at least players like bomber, MMA, losira are considered among the top and can't forget the super secret unannounced but still known + Show Spoiler + who is sure to tear apart the open bracket. You don't find and grow new talent by not paying and accommodating it. Big time sports pay rookies very well if they have a lot of potential. If you see the same in a player SC 2 should be no different. Don't blame him for wanting some kind of financial support.
Why on earth would you quote the ENTIRE OP to post three lines of text!?!?
On topic I definitely agree that Tyler is probably looking for the chance to get back on is game. However I don't think that Destiny qualifying for IPL and Tyler failing to do so is grounds to think Destiny is better--he just didn't have to play Sjow.
And after you posted this MC has confirmed he is attending. I want to wish him best of luck but I can't help but acknowledge the small part of me that wants to see him stomped out in the early stages.
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OT: Does anyone know what timezone the times on their webpage is in? Can't find anything about it.
OnT:
To win:
1) Naniwa (would be awesome with a repeat and because I think he could do well in GSL)
2) Idra (cuz I really want him to get some more wins under his belt since he is so good)
3) Thorzain ( Because he has proven to be a player who, if given enough time to prepare, could destroy anyone and that would be cool to see in the gsl)
To lose:
The koreans rly, we saw from that GomTV guy that posted on the forums earlier this week that it seems they consider themself above us and it would be nice to show them we can bring it.
:D
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To win:
1.) July - Because he is the God of War and was one of my favorite BW players. He has said in the past that he wants to play in foreign tournaments, before he has to join the military. So i hope that he can show a good performance.
2.) Ret - He is one of the strongest zergs in the world. Now show it in a big tourney. >:| Show it NOW!
3.) Demuslim - Because he is a funny guy on ESL.tv and just recently came back as a player. He propably needs a bit more time to get his old form back, but i hope he plays well at MLG.
There arent really players, i want to see fail. Just maybe some of the (in my opinion) a bit overrated players. But everyone who performs well, deserves a good result.
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To win:
1. MMA, handsome guy, incredible mechanics and solid play. Also like when he wins, he just radiates happyness and is very shy but in a proud way. It looks really sweet.
I actually think he will win the whole thing. It's hard to say and base it on anything ofcourse but all the games he's played even the ones he lost or the series he lost, he has been nothing but solid as a rock. And I think in a survival tournament like MLG, spanning multiple days. That consistency is what is gonna allow one to stay in until the end. The only question here is how much endurance he will have. But I believe in him, fighting!
3. (3 is no typo) Any other Koreans attending or having them take up the complete top spots. Like 1 to 5th. I know that sucks very much and even though I would want to support "our" players as much as possible. I think it would be good to get the whole community on the same page or something. Atleast I feel it would be from my take on the whole GSL-MLG exchange.
I think they should want to go over to become the best player they can be. So that they can win the money they want to win. Having Koreans come here and take the money is gonna be bad initially but I hope it will motivate them to practice really hard or something. So that as time goes on, say in another year, the foreign scene won't be behind.
2. (you will see why I ordered it like this) Any non Koreans who are really striving for what I mentioned above. The ones that really want to go to Korea. I would like them to win over the Koreans mentioned above so they can get their Code S/Code A spots. I don't know exactly all the names that fit in here but even if I haven't heard of you, I want you to succeed.
To lose:
Nobody, but, I would like the above to come through and that would mean many will have to be satisfied with a spot much lower than they would've liked. I would be ok with that one time. There are many who I like amongst these and obviously I want them to be able to support themselves so we can continue to watch them. It's up to you to change my perception and make those words and believes spoken of and shared by quite a significant portion of the community valid.
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On June 02 2011 15:00 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 14:40 neo_sporin wrote:On June 02 2011 14:31 Piledriver wrote:To fail: IdrA - This guy needs some humility. He thinks he's the best in the world but has no tournament wins to back it up. All talk, no results. The sad part is, if he loses it will be blamed on imba. Pathetic. Dont want anyone else to fail To Win: MorroW/Moon/Losira -All fabulous zergs and I personally root for Moon and Morrow. Also if MorroW wins and IdrA loses, that will be the final slap in the face for IdrA for his BM after losing in IEM 2010 to MorroW (who was playing T at that time). IPL would like to talk to you regarding Idra. IPL lineup was extremely weak, even weaker than some TSL open qualifier tournaments, with no Europeans or Koreans, so ofc. he dominated. His only real competition was SeleCt, Sheth and KiWiKaKi. IdrA is the best player in NA, but world wide he is probably 6th or 7th zerg behind July, NesTea, Morrow, Dimaga, Losira (and perhaps even Moon, judging by their head to head record in the last IEM 2011 and Zenio). IMO the only tournament that he actually did well at was MLG DC, that too back in 2010. The past 6 months have been very mediocre, especially for a guy who talks smack like him. If you talk smack, you better have the dominating results to back it up.
You're going off the deep end now. Zenio is great at zvz, loses to choya which again shows he's more of a zvz specialist and has a losing record in the GSL right now. Morrow has always been a step behind idra. Btw select is Korean.
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To win:
1) Our man Tyler. I don't think he's at full strength, but he does have the skill. It's time he bags something not just for TL, but for himself.
2) JulyZerg. This is a nerd wet dream. A Brood War golden mouse winner wins a play-in tournament for a trip to America to slog through a full day of open bracket for a chance to square off with the best of the non-Korean scene. A JulyZerg win would be epic.
3) Thorzain. Similarly to JulyZerg, Thorzain is going to have a long slog just to make it to the dance. He has it in him, and to see him carry his momentum from TSL3 would be really impressive.
To Lose:
1) Idra. His work ethic and attitude aren't great. He's an exceptional talent, but he's the heel of our shindig in Columbus.
2) Moon. Moon's inclusion is bizarre. This could have been Nestea, MVP, MKP, San, Nada, or any number of other more talented SC2 players. As it is he may do well, based on his past performances abroad, but he isn't even mid-tier player in Korea anymore.
3) Gretorp. No hate, but he's squeaking by and isn't fully justifying his inclusion. With his focus on casting, I think it's time he's pushed out of the MLG Top 16.
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To win: Europeasants from the open bracket, NA terrans (come on, guys!)
To lose: NA protosses
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On June 03 2011 05:48 Shadowcloak wrote:
To win select cuzz he deserves a big tournement name and he is NA's only hope in winning a gsl once
To perform well
Thorzain so the koreans wont say it was luck or lagg or all the other bs they said
Moonan because he blew my mind in dallas
Kiwikaki because i saw his loss in gsl 3 quilifier it was lame :/
To perform horibble
Moon dont like him dont like his ... Bm like changeling dropping when youre winning.
Mc for his retarded ego
The entire sixjax and Complexity team overhyped second rate players ESPecially cruncher
So by your standards, you'd hate almost every terran out there, since they drop mules and what not when they know they've won... Stop giving so much importance to those things. And thank god you apparently never watched the Losira vs Bomber match.
How is a korean NA's only hope? I'm puzzled.
I'd like mixed results from the koreans which I think will most likely happen. As to who I wish would do well and some not perform as better I think the positions they're in speaks more than any personal desire. July has it really tough with potential meetings with Thorzain and Morrow to knock him out, whereas somebody like Moon (I think, the korean who shares the group with Naniwa) has a relatively easy ride into the championship bracket (when compared to other brackets, that is).
All but four will fail, so I don't wanna wish bad luck to any player
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Win: Europeans, SixjaxMajor, Select, DDE
Lose: The usual overhyped NA players
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i have a feeling when select goes back to korea, everyone is going to call him traitor, lol.
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I would love to see players like Moon, HayprO, Tyler, ect do well. They are amazingly talented and gifted individuals but they rarely get the attention they deserve in Star2. Best of luck to all of the players who have been unlucky or under performing lately. I hope they all continue to practice hard and show the results they are capable of.
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On June 02 2011 15:00 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 14:40 neo_sporin wrote:On June 02 2011 14:31 Piledriver wrote:To fail: IdrA - This guy needs some humility. He thinks he's the best in the world but has no tournament wins to back it up. All talk, no results. The sad part is, if he loses it will be blamed on imba. Pathetic. Dont want anyone else to fail To Win: MorroW/Moon/Losira -All fabulous zergs and I personally root for Moon and Morrow. Also if MorroW wins and IdrA loses, that will be the final slap in the face for IdrA for his BM after losing in IEM 2010 to MorroW (who was playing T at that time). IPL would like to talk to you regarding Idra. IPL lineup was extremely weak, even weaker than some TSL open qualifier tournaments, with no Europeans or Koreans, so ofc. he dominated. His only real competition was SeleCt, Sheth and KiWiKaKi. IdrA is the best player in NA, but world wide he is probably 6th or 7th zerg behind July, NesTea, Morrow, Dimaga, Losira (and perhaps even Moon, judging by their head to head record in the last IEM 2011 and Zenio). IMO the only tournament that he actually did well at was MLG DC, that too back in 2010. The past 6 months have been very mediocre, especially for a guy who talks smack like him. If you talk smack, you better have the dominating results to back it up.
To win the IPL, IdrA beat Fenix, Drewbie, Kiwikaki (twice) and Select. Come on now, be serious.
He is easily one of the best, whether you like it or not.
People I want to do well:
Idra, Thorzain, and July. These are all really talented players and I especially want to see some magic from Thorzain. July just reminds me of a pit bull. He's slowly revolutionizing the way Zerg play, and I like that.
Incontrol: I just really like Incontrol as a community person. He generates a lot of content and I just like him as a person.
People I want to fail:
MC: I just don't like his play. I think it's exceptionally boring.
Moon: I think he's a very sloppy player. I haven't watched a game by Moon that I thought "wow Moon really deserves to win this."
Cruncher: Naturally.
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So hoping Select makes it to the finals and wins! This guy is soo good he needs to win a title!
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On June 03 2011 07:30 pirates wrote:
I would love to see players like Moon, HayprO, Tyler, ect do well. They are amazingly talented and gifted individuals but they rarely get the attention they deserve in Star2. Best of luck to all of the players who have been unlucky or under performing lately. I hope they all continue to practice hard and show the results they are capable of.
Actually, at least Tyler and Haypro, have gotten way to much attention.
I would love to see them do good, but at the moment they are no "truely" big names and you wouldn't here much/anything from them if they wouldn't be on Teamliquid (and in the case of tyler sotg).
They had/made their name before SC2 hit and atm have next to nothing to show for it... They need to win something with serious competition soon or they will vanish, no matter how talented or strong they are in practise games.
I would love to see tyler grinning after he finally owned it up :D.
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On June 03 2011 05:48 Shadowcloak wrote:
To win select cuzz he deserves a big tournement name and he is NA's only hope in winning a gsl once
To perform well
Thorzain so the koreans wont say it was luck or lagg or all the other bs they said
Moonan because he blew my mind in dallas
Kiwikaki because i saw his loss in gsl 3 quilifier it was lame :/
To perform horibble
Moon dont like him dont like his ... Bm like changeling dropping when youre winning.
Mc for his retarded ego
The entire sixjax and Complexity team overhyped second rate players ESPecially cruncher
I don't blame you that you don't like Moon, its just your opinion...but Moon is a very mannered player [fyi] don't spread wrong things about my Moon
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3 Wishes for good, 3 for bad..
*July to win without losing a game, making his opponents go home considering quitting starcraft and buying CoD instead.
*Tyler to do well, I'd like to see him pull a huge result. Him taking 2nd to July would be fine by me.
*Naniwa.. I'd love to see him keep that MLG streak going, Dallas was like a fairytale for him.
I dunno If I have any bad ones, I'd like to see Incontrol either prove he belongs in top 16 by terrorizing his bracket, or dropping down. Otherwise, nothing come's to mind.
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I am suprised how many people think Thorzain is going to succeed. From what i've seen and experienced while watching/playing against him, it seems that he is not going to get far because he is in his very top shape in the tournaments with 1-2 week preparation and i just don't see him going through so many opponents.
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On June 02 2011 07:30 rickybobby wrote:
to win:
tyler because i just rewatched that video of his first courage
mma because hes a sick baller
tastosis because theyre there
to lose:
i dont really care but i dont want or expect any Koreans to get rolled
and im hoping for a cruncher vs idra
Where can I find this courage vid of Tyler?
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On June 03 2011 23:13 Triscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 15:00 Piledriver wrote:On June 02 2011 14:40 neo_sporin wrote:On June 02 2011 14:31 Piledriver wrote:To fail: IdrA - This guy needs some humility. He thinks he's the best in the world but has no tournament wins to back it up. All talk, no results. The sad part is, if he loses it will be blamed on imba. Pathetic. Dont want anyone else to fail To Win: MorroW/Moon/Losira -All fabulous zergs and I personally root for Moon and Morrow. Also if MorroW wins and IdrA loses, that will be the final slap in the face for IdrA for his BM after losing in IEM 2010 to MorroW (who was playing T at that time). IPL would like to talk to you regarding Idra. IPL lineup was extremely weak, even weaker than some TSL open qualifier tournaments, with no Europeans or Koreans, so ofc. he dominated. His only real competition was SeleCt, Sheth and KiWiKaKi. IdrA is the best player in NA, but world wide he is probably 6th or 7th zerg behind July, NesTea, Morrow, Dimaga, Losira (and perhaps even Moon, judging by their head to head record in the last IEM 2011 and Zenio). IMO the only tournament that he actually did well at was MLG DC, that too back in 2010. The past 6 months have been very mediocre, especially for a guy who talks smack like him. If you talk smack, you better have the dominating results to back it up. To win the IPL, IdrA beat Fenix, Drewbie, Kiwikaki (twice) and Select. Come on now, be serious. He is easily one of the best, whether you like it or not. People I want to do well: Idra, Thorzain, and July. These are all really talented players and I especially want to see some magic from Thorzain. July just reminds me of a pit bull. He's slowly revolutionizing the way Zerg play, and I like that. Incontrol: I just really like Incontrol as a community person. He generates a lot of content and I just like him as a person. People I want to fail: MC: I just don't like his play. I think it's exceptionally boring. Moon: I think he's a very sloppy player. I haven't watched a game by Moon that I thought "wow Moon really deserves to win this." Cruncher: Naturally.
Well, i highly recommend you go to his wikipedia page. Watch Moon vs kiwikaki. Watch Moon vs Squirtle on Shakura's Plateau. And MC is very interesting.. too interesting actually -_-
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On June 03 2011 23:29 Nerchio wrote:
I am suprised how many people think Thorzain is going to succeed. From what i've seen and experienced while watching/playing against him, it seems that he is not going to get far because he is in his very top shape in the tournaments with 1-2 week preparation and i just don't see him going through so many opponents.
With a minimal amount of luck he can make it through the open at the very least.
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On June 03 2011 23:30 Titorelli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 07:30 rickybobby wrote:
to win:
tyler because i just rewatched that video of his first courage
mma because hes a sick baller
tastosis because theyre there
to lose:
i dont really care but i dont want or expect any Koreans to get rolled
and im hoping for a cruncher vs idra Where can I find this courage vid of Tyler?
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So is it only me that thinks Grubby is gonna make it through the open bracket?
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On June 03 2011 23:35 HelloxD wrote:
So is it only me that thinks Grubby is gonna make it through the open bracket?
sure... if he was there....
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WIN:
ThorZain
JulyZerg
TLO
FAIL:
MC
inControl
IdrA
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Win:
Idra
KiwiKaki
Incontrol
Fail:
TLO
Moon
Select
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On June 03 2011 23:35 HelloxD wrote:
So is it only me that thinks Grubby is gonna make it through the open bracket?
He's at his brother's wedding or something so he can't make this MLG. (Yeah I know, his brother sure is a dick for having his wedding during MLG right?)
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On June 03 2011 23:37 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 23:35 HelloxD wrote:
So is it only me that thinks Grubby is gonna make it through the open bracket? sure... if he was there....
can you please direct me to the open pool players list?
i read sumwhere grubby was in it...
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To Win:
Tyler:
Tyler has been having a really rough patch and he is such a stand up guy and good player when hes on his game, and its sad that he hasn't been able to hit that sweet spot at the recent lans.
Naniwa:
Personally I REALLY was not a fan of his when he was nothing but BM and team hopping. After watching him on STOG and various interviews I have grown to semi like him. I don't want him to win because I like him that much, but I want him to win so he gets the Code S spot...mainly because hes shown extreme interest in going and I want another foreigner out there ASAP!
FXO.Sheth:
This guy is one of the nicest most HUMBLE players out there. He is an amazing player and if anybody deserves the win I think its him
Lose:
EGIdrA:
Personally I despise him. His attitude is horrible and does nothing but cry imba and if he wins he still crys imba. He is good but after all the stunts and shit he pulls without repercussion I think he deserves to fail in the most epic fashion.
Destiny:
Not a fan, I think hes more in this for the publicity and the money is gets from streaming. I would like to see him get put in his place.
Gosi[Terran]:
Why Artosis picked him up ASTONISHES me. Hes a team hopper and BMs every chance he can. You can regularly see him talking shit to other pros on their streams. The community hatred for him also rings with the pros...not going to name names but many people have shown their dislike for this child and his antics and hope to avoid him at MLG if at all possible.
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United States97276 Posts
Win:
Select
anyone from the open bracket
Fail:
MMA (I hate the hype around him when he's stuck in code A)
Sixjax.Major/Memory/Terran/Kitty/Princess.... douche
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Win:
Sheth
July
select
Lose:
Idra
Indifferent about the rest, I feel bad hoping for someone to lose, Idra is the exception because hes an asshole.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
Win:
Tyler(going into beast Nony mode)
Edit: Holy fuck JF is gonna be there too!
Lose:
everyone else
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Whatever inspired you to bash Major is very weird, he doesn't team hop, or whatever you called it, it wasn't his idea to get kicked from root. He's been around for a long time, and was almost recruited into the GSL back in starcraft 1, look him up as GosiTerran in the TLPD.
Major's a pretty kickass player, has good mechanics, and good decision making as well, much better player than most of the terrans out there that just rely on abusing the metagame to win.
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Win:
MorroW (hope he will take it all )
Demuslim (would be a great comeback )
iNcontrol (hope that he will take top three )
Lose:
Dont really have a grudge against any player actually.
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win :
EG.Machine
coLcruncher
ROOT.drewbie
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Win:-
DeMuslim
Naniwa
MC
Lose:-
Idra
Gretorp (just because he doesnt deserve seed)
The others i dont mind, so cant name a third.
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win: Tyler(Brotoss NoNy needs to own for the sake of sc2)
MC(oGs gogo Brotoss)
July(July)
Lose: Destiny (troller)
Moon (terrible)
Thorzain (i like him but he came out of nowhere and just won everything make it stop!!)
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To win:
Destiny most of all. Love the guy and have been watching his stream forever. Even if his play isn't the greatest, he's at least getting the experience probably also needed to do well. Needs more serious practice though, more solid strategies to vary his play, more refined timings, more consistency, less stubbornness, less mistakes.
Morrow. Not just because I'm Swedish and love zerg, I liked watching his terran too, as he even made TvT entertaining. Little things like building turrets in his mineral line to 95% complete, pulling the SCV and finishing/cancelling them as a threat does or does not present itself made it a bit more fun. He's usually great with positioning and can pull out semi-unorthodox strategies or tactics, like the reaper abuse he won IEM (?) with, hunter-seeker missiles on packs of vikings and whatever else. I haven't seen much of him lately, so hopefully he gets far in the open bracket, and I would love to see him come up with some solid or entertaining new zerg strategies or just smaller tricks to make the greedy drone drone drone style work better.
Others: ROOT, July, IdrA.
I will root against unfunny, unexciting, non-creative P and T players that are not from Sweden or team ROOT I guess, but I can't really name anyone. Most players will do something cool at one stage or another that will make me like them at least a little bit.
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Im just gonna say:
Liquid'Ret is going to win the whole damn thing, no doubt in my mind
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To win: CatZ, drewbie, SeleCT
To fail: KR, EU, Tyler,
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To win: CombatEx, MMA, iNcontrol, July, Kiwikaki, Tyler
To lose: Idra, Destiny, Gretorp, Naniwa
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To Win: Idra, Destiny and Sheth(I play zerg )
To lose: All of team liquid. All kidding aside desrow
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On June 02 2011 04:40 AgentSmith wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:35 apm66 wrote:
"everyone will just say " well MC, Nestea, MVP, and MKP weren't there so its not like you beat the best""
I beg to differ! Did you even watch TSL3?
Thorzain 2-0 Fruitdealer
Adelscott 2-0 MVP
Thorzain 3-0 MC Have you heard of a factor called latency? at Copenhagen games LAN MC 4-0ed Kas
Kas stated in an interview that he was very nervous and he doesn't have nearly as much LAN-experience as MC afaik...
This result doesn't really reflect Kas' strentgh nor of any of the other foreigners...
Win: IdrA, Demuslim and all the Team-Liquid-players.
Fail: The Koreans, especially Moon...
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Win:
- Kiwikaki
- Sheth
- Tyler
All of them deserves a win. Kiwi has been so close, Sheth is strong as hell just needs to show it of, and Tyler needs it for his motivation I have gotten the feeling of.
Lose (thats a lot harder actually):
- someone not worthy
- someone not worthy
- someone not worthy
Couldn't come up with anyone I really, really don't want to win.
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Wow, haters really going to hate.
Win: Tyler, Idra, Major
I feel that Idra and Major are pretty superb on their mechanics and as long as idra doesn't go on tilt to all-in strats that he will be OK. I think he's much better off going into this MLG than the last. I'd love to see Major win because that would mean we'd see awesome play out of him that I believe he's capable of.
Lose:
Gretorp because there's no way he's competitive having to cast all that much. Any korean: Because we need to prove lag wasn't the motivating factor in these previous online tournaments.
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To win:
July: He's a great player, but I don't think he's super motivated. Hopefully he takes his CoH win and brings the power here.
Naniwa: He has the best chance for a non-korean to win this tournament. I'm a little worried about his PvT.
Select: He is a beast. I would love to see him top 3.
To Lose:
Destiny: Seriously, he's not good enough to be considered pro yet. I think he will be knocked out really early as early as friday.
Thorzain: I don't think he is prepared for a 3 day tournament and I don't think he can go 26-0 like naniwa to make it to the finals. I think he will lose to a mid tier pro like one of the root players. Nothing against the guy, just I don't think he will be ready. I hope he suprises me.
MMA: He's great at TvT and TvZ, but he is going to lose in TvP and I hope it's to a mediocore protoss. Most overrated korean imo.
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To win:
- Idra: favorite player
- Naniwa: love his attitude
- MMA: amazing player
To FAIL MISERABLY:
- Tyler: thinks he's a genius when actually he's just plain stupid. Can't stand how FUCKING SLOW he talks on STOG and I also HATE how his opinions are always pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Also he BMs almost everyone he loses to on the ladder when losing is his own fault for being awful
- Other koreans: To legitimate the foreign sc2 scene they need to be crushed in a tournament where the lagg excuse is no longer valid (although it won't be enough because people will blame it on jet lag right?)
- Gretorp: he simply doesn't deserve at all being in the top 16 a flawed system has allowed him to stay there but i hope it ends here. He won't probably play anymore on tournaments once he gets erradicated from this mlg
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Succeed!
Gretorp - gets too much flack. One of the truly upbeat and pleasant people in the community, like Sheth.
Kawaiirice - total boss.
Iefnaij - see above.
Fail:
Destiny - meh
Catz - meh
Drewbie - mehhhh
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
On June 04 2011 02:00 DataMiner wrote:
To win:
- Idra: favorite player
- Naniwa: love his attitude
- MMA: amazing player
To FAIL MISERABLY:
- Tyler: thinks he's a genius when actually he's just plain stupid. Can't stand how FUCKING SLOW he talks on STOG and I also HATE how his opinions are always pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Also he BMs almost everyone he loses to on the ladder when losing is his own fault for being awful
- Other koreans: To legitimate the foreign sc2 scene they need to be crushed in a tournament where the lagg excuse is no longer valid (although it won't be enough because people will blame it on jet lag right?)
- Gretorp: he simply doesn't deserve at all being in the top 16 a flawed system has allowed him to stay there but i hope it ends here. He won't probably play anymore on tournaments once he gets erradicated from this mlg
the most hilarious shit I have ever read in this entire thread.
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To Win:
July
Losira
ThorZain
Fail:
Gretorp
Cruncher
MC
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This thread is ridiculous? Wanting people to fail? Wtf guys
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(Quote) - Tyler: thinks he's a genius when actually he's just plain stupid. Can't stand how FUCKING SLOW he talks on STOG and I also HATE how his opinions are always pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Also he BMs almost everyone he loses to on the ladder when losing is his own fault for being awful ---
This is why this was a risky thread to make :/ It's not the smartest thing to call one of the TOP foreigners 'stupid'. He has a very deep knowledge of the game as shown in SotG.. if you get annoyed by his 'slow talking' as you put it, then get a grip and stop nit-picking.
Anyway; to win:
IdrA - One of my favourite players
DeMuslim - (British pride)
Naniwa - So that he goes to GSL
Only three players to choose from is really limiting >.<
To lose:
The Koreans - Simply because I'm biased in that I want the foreigners to do well
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anyone who roots for someone to lose...ask yourself, why am I attacking this person over the internet I don't even know? they are just starcraft players like you and I.
i feel like the new sc2 masses have 'celebritized' top players and think it's ok to give out their opinion on them without realizing how much of an asshole they're being.
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One of the reasons he talks slow is because he is thinking a lot. Not necessarily because he's a wizz kid but more so because he doesn't want to be wrong or seem stupid. He knows how easy it is to make a mistake, he just wants to be very careful and make sure he formulates it to the best of his abilities. Atleast that's what I always think when I notice stuff like speaking slow.
The rare case you actually get to see or meet someone that is like professor level smart in a very specific subject, is almost the only time when you will see someone talk incredibly complicated things with the most rediculous fluency and still being 10 sentences ahead. It's just a human thing, don't hate.
You seem like an angry individual though and it wouldn't surprise me if there is an external reason for why you put so much emotion behind thinking something like that about someone.
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On June 04 2011 02:21 ProxyKnoxy wrote:(Quote) - Tyler: thinks he's a genius when actually he's just plain stupid. Can't stand how FUCKING SLOW he talks on STOG and I also HATE how his opinions are always pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Also he BMs almost everyone he loses to on the ladder when losing is his own fault for being awful --- This is why this was a risky thread to make :/ It's not the smartest thing to call one of the TOP foreigners 'stupid'. He has a very deep knowledge of the game as shown in SotG.. if you get annoyed by his 'slow talking' as you put it, then get a grip and stop nit-picking. Anyway; to win: IdrA - One of my favourite players DeMuslim - (British pride) Naniwa - So that he goes to GSL Only three players to choose from is really limiting >.< To lose: The Koreans - Simply because I'm biased in that I want the foreigners to do well
It's not so much the slow-talking, as it is his tendency to extensively and somewhat discursively elaborate his thoughts. But he is by no means stupid, and has a lot of insightful things to say, albeit in a circuitous manner interspersed with looong periods of silence where I swear he just leaves up a .gif and is browsing the internet :b
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On June 04 2011 02:21 ProxyKnoxy wrote:(Quote) - Tyler: thinks he's a genius when actually he's just plain stupid. Can't stand how FUCKING SLOW he talks on STOG and I also HATE how his opinions are always pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Also he BMs almost everyone he loses to on the ladder when losing is his own fault for being awful --- This is why this was a risky thread to make :/ It's not the smartest thing to call one of the TOP foreigners 'stupid'. He has a very deep knowledge of the game as shown in SotG.. if you get annoyed by his 'slow talking' as you put it, then get a grip and stop nit-picking. Anyway; to win: IdrA - One of my favourite players DeMuslim - (British pride) Naniwa - So that he goes to GSL Only three players to choose from is really limiting >.< To lose: The Koreans - Simply because I'm biased in that I want the foreigners to do well
Tyler is a top sc2 foreigner?
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To win:
IdrA
Thorzain
MMA
To lose:
Gretorp
Adelscot
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Destiny qualified for IPL2? Good for him. I still don't think he'll be able to do very well in MLG, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
IdrA to win. If not IdrA, then someone from sixjax.
To lose? GreTorp annoys me with his continued seeding. Other than him, i like everyone else in pool play (except maybe slush) and I haven't looked into the open brackets.
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On June 04 2011 02:25 rift wrote:
anyone who roots for someone to lose...ask yourself, why am I attacking this person over the internet I don't even know? they are just starcraft players like you and I.
i feel like the new sc2 masses have 'celebritized' top players and think it's ok to give out their opinion on them without realizing how much of an asshole they're being.
Just ask this to yourself then, when you are watching any other sport, you don't root against anyone or any team?
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To win:
Idra - awesome
Mc - Kratoss needs a comeback
Thorzain - Tsl victor must win Mlg! :D
To fail:
Sixjax Major - dont like him (nothing against artosis though)
Cruncher - i like idra
Gretorp - nice guy but i feel he is misplaced in Mlg after being focused on NASL for so long
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On June 04 2011 02:28 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 02:21 ProxyKnoxy wrote:(Quote) - Tyler: thinks he's a genius when actually he's just plain stupid. Can't stand how FUCKING SLOW he talks on STOG and I also HATE how his opinions are always pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Also he BMs almost everyone he loses to on the ladder when losing is his own fault for being awful --- This is why this was a risky thread to make :/ It's not the smartest thing to call one of the TOP foreigners 'stupid'. He has a very deep knowledge of the game as shown in SotG.. if you get annoyed by his 'slow talking' as you put it, then get a grip and stop nit-picking. Anyway; to win: IdrA - One of my favourite players DeMuslim - (British pride) Naniwa - So that he goes to GSL Only three players to choose from is really limiting >.< To lose: The Koreans - Simply because I'm biased in that I want the foreigners to do well It's not so much the slow-talking, as it is his tendency to extensively and somewhat discursively elaborate his thoughts. But he is by no means stupid, and has a lot of insightful things to say, albeit in a circuitous manner interspersed with looong periods of silence where I swear he just leaves up a .gif and is browsing the internet :b
I think what he is saying is that people seem to live in the past- Tyler was one of the best foreign BW players but he definately isn't one of the best SC2 players now. Let's be honest- he is more famous for what he has done in the past than how good he is in SC2. No matter what the reason is for him to not perform as well in SC2- lack of practice, passion, whatever it is, there are a lot of players out there that are better than him now in SC2 and not as famous. Unless he proves himself again to be a great Starcraft player, the result so far is nothing but an average player.
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To win:
LosirA
DeMusliM
SeleCT
To Lose:
Tyler
Gretorp
Moon
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On June 04 2011 01:22 ELA wrote:
Im just gonna say:
Liquid'Ret is going to win the whole damn thing, no doubt in my mind
I'm gonna hold you to your word
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To win:
Demuslim: He's just so baller.
Incontrol: Still love him even though he's protoss.
Qxc: Really cool guy and super stellar at putting on the aggression. Needs a big win!
To lose:
MC: Too confident/arrogant. I love his play but I wish he wasn't full of himself.
July: He's scary. Too scary.
Naniwa: Doesn't appreciate his victories like he should, imo.
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Favorites:
Sheth to have a good run because he's nice and works hard.
IdrA or Huk to beat the other one directly, either way good games and good drama.
Tyler to have a good run because it would be nice to see him play to his potential.
To lose:
At least a few of the Koreans, only so they take foreigners more seriously in future tournaments. Only MMA seems to have done any serious prep work.
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Win: Losira, Idra, MMA
Lose: Incontrol, Gretorp, Tyler, TT1, drewbie
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To win: Cruncher, Gretop, SixjaxTerran just because they get shit on a lot for no reason.
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Doing well
-> The ROOT players
-> Gensulitor .. so i can finally convince Drewbie to pick him up ^_^
-> TLO .. ZEH GERMANZ !
Honorable mentions : Sheth, Naniwa and Thorzain
Not doing so great
-> Every player who is super full of himself, but has no results to back it up ... you know who's meant here
-> The koreans. While their skill assures high results, i want them all to go down on the RO16 in super close BO7s versus high level NA/EU players on very high level games. Just like someone else said .. its pretty lame that they still think they are worlds above us, while they certainly are not.
-> Princess, Kitty, Mayor .. what an asshole. Not more to say. He should not stay in the collective memory as the second "You can behave like a super asshole and get rewarded for it". One of that kind is enough for the SC2 community ^^
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To win
Demuslim - My favourite Player :D His Comeback needs a big win
The liquid team - in the last MLG only TLO placed well
MorroW - Zerg needs a winner from the Open Bracket, he is the man
to fail:
MC - Come on, no need to win another tournament
Gretorp - Wake up call to make him concentrate on NASL
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To Win:
Losira: I want him to show the foreigners that koreans are still better.
Naniwa: Watching his run last time was so enjoyable. I would love to watch a repeat.
Idra: I think he's the best foreigner. He just needs to prove it.
To Lose:
Gretorp: While I am a fan of his, he does not belong where he is in the seeding.
Incontrol: I used to be a huge fan of his. Then he started become so cocky and full of himself.
Ret: Biased opinion towards him. Can't help it so I won't explain it.
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Win: The person who practices the most and plays the best.
Lose: The opposite of the above.
The only thing this thread can bring is more hate from the community. If there are people in this tournament that you literally want to deprive of success that makes you a terrible person. That being said, rooting for players is natural and healthy (which is essentially the crux of this thread), but most of the comments reinforce your dickery. But that's all that can be expected from an pseudo-anonymous based internet community.
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This thread is a flame bait. To everyone in this thread: shame on you.
WTF man, rooting for someone is nice, wanting someone to fail miserably, when their progaming careers are possibly on the line, is not, for gods sake.
Cheer for the ones you like, stay classy for the ones you don't. America shouldn't turn the Koreans into another Miami Heat.
Again, shame on you.
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Win: Koreans and LZGamer.
I'm not hoping for anyone else to lose, I just want some high level play. =D
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You are correct, that was posted back before the bomber plane fiasco.
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To win:
Tyler - because he is the most awesome guy on Earth? Chill your way through this tournament!
Destiny - due to his personality and hilariousility*.
Someone widely unknown to larger audience, someone who I know nothing about
To lose:
NA terrans
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To win: Tyler, Kiwikaki, Select <- these guys are long overdue for some championship wins.
To lose: No one in particular. I'm cheering for everyone.
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On June 04 2011 03:01 qwazar wrote:
The only thing this thread can bring is more hate from the community. If there are people in this tournament that you literally want to deprive of success that makes you a terrible person. That being said, rooting for players is natural and healthy (which is essentially the crux of this thread), but most of the comments reinforce your dickery. But that's all that can be expected from an pseudo-anonymous based internet community.
Going to disagree with this. I and several hundred thousands of other people want the Boston Red Sox to lose every single game they play. Why? Because I am a Yankees fan. I want x players to lose or fail in their games because of their actions. That is perfectly fine and widespread throughout all sports. In fact, I would say it helps make them successful. Rivalries drive competition and help spread the sport as people buy apparel in order to support. Why is it any different here?
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Lol it's hilarious that people in this thread are picking select players to lose when they are picking players to win.
If you want someone to win it means that everyone else will have to lose.Hence,why I picked the way i picked.
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Hope to win:
- ROOT.Slush, cause he's a friend IRL and cause he's one of the best agressive zerg right now. He's verry skilled and I wish him luck. Also the 5000$ would help him to chance his computer so he could get better stream quality and get more viewers!
- ROOT. KiWiKaKi, simply cause the guy when to each finals and (I think) never one once. So he definatly deserve it
EG. Idra, cause I want to copy him the best I can... so the longer he plays the better I will get ! HAHA
EG. Machine, cause I've met him not too long ago and he's a really nice guy! He's always taking time to answer my questions and I hope he gets what he deserve
Hope to fail:
- E v e r y s i n g l e K o r e a n ! ! !, cause I'm sick of the old stereotype that says Korean > All, TBH I'm watching many Korean streams and it always seems like NA and EU are wayyyy better at the game right now. Koreans are just cheese masters.... and as soon as they get into a macro game... I find them to be wayyy behind any EU or NA player.
But... good luck to all progamers and new blood that gets a shot at MLG
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Win:
Sheth
Haypro
Incontrol
Lose:
MC
JF
Losira
PS. The winners are much more important than the losers, but if I had to name the losers as well, I would pick the (over)hyped Koreans.
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To Win:
- Demuslim: I want to see him come back from his injury with an astounding performance.
- ThorZain: He's swedish, that's the closest to a Norwegian you get in MLG. Also he is awesome, if we game him 1 week to prepare he would serve us the meaning of life ezpz.
- SjoW/Morrow: Go Swedes!
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To Fail:
- Moon: White dudes to own Moon!
- July: I just want him to lose vs foreigners.
- MC: When he plays koreans I want him to win, when he plays foreigners I want him to lose.
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to win:
Naniwa
kiwikaki
idra
MC
to lose:
thorzain
losira
july
No reasons just from top of my head.
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3 hopes-
I hope the stream is working and everything is on time.
I hope we get to see to see all the matches that are scheduled and there aren't as many technical problems and time delays.
I hope MC wins!
Don't have any fails I just want a good tournament that shows a lot of games and I hope my favorite player MC wins it all.
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My prediction is the following:
IdrA is gonna walk into the venue and just murder the first nerd he sees he's then gonna sit down and slaughter MC he'll continue to murder anyone in his way to the finals.
Just slightly after Greg walks in iNcontrol will walk in there quickly people will see about ten nerds passing out as the mere sight of him, iNcontrol will then make his way to the finals using only his index fingers.
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On June 04 2011 03:11 Konsume wrote:Hope to win: - ROOT.Slush, cause he's a friend IRL and cause he's one of the best agressive zerg right now. He's verry skilled and I wish him luck. Also the 5000$ would help him to chance his computer so he could get better stream quality and get more viewers! - ROOT. KiWiKaKi, simply cause the guy when to each finals and (I think) never one once. So he definatly deserve it EG. Idra, cause I want to copy him the best I can... so the longer he plays the better I will get ! HAHA EG. Machine, cause I've met him not too long ago and he's a really nice guy! He's always taking time to answer my questions and I hope he gets what he deserve Hope to fail: - E v e r y s i n g l e K o r e a n ! ! !, cause I'm sick of the old stereotype that says Korean > All, TBH I'm watching many Korean streams and it always seems like NA and EU are wayyyy better at the game right now. Koreans are just cheese masters.... and as soon as they get into a macro game... I find them to be wayyy behind any EU or NA player. But... good luck to all progamers and new blood that gets a shot at MLG
NA and EU players are "wayyyy better" and that the Koreans are just "cheese masters" who are "wayyy behind"... is this a troll attempt?
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Predictions:
Win: some of the foreigners like idra, naniwa, thorzain will do very well. same for the koreans.
Lose: i have a feeling that all of the americans (besides idra) are gonna get completely stomped.
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I would absolutely love to see the koreans get beat.
I also would love to see all the liquid guys do well of course. And Naniwa. And it'd be cool to see Destiny do well too.
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successful hope: MC, Cruncher, White-Ra
failure hope: Zergs, all Zergs.
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I don't really get why we didn't do it in this manner....
To advance~
Group A : 1. Naniwa, 2. Open bracket hero, 3. Moon, 4. Drewbie, 5. Slush, 6. Gretorp
Group B : 1. Moonan, 2. MMA, 3. Sheth, 4. Kiwikaki, 5. Open Bracket player, 6. Sjow
Group C : 1. MC, 2. Ret, 3. IdrA, 4. SeleCT, 5. Open Bracket player, 6. Tyler
Group D : 1. Losira, 2. TLO, 3. Open Bracket player, 4. Haypro, 5. Incontrol, 6. Machine
Who will top 4 the open bracket, assuming they don't eliminate each other?
- MorroW, DeMuslim, dde and Optikzero
My dark horse for the whole thing? I think that it could be Ret's time to shine.
Upsets? Who will fail despite being highly rated for this? I think that Thorzain and MMA will not prosper under these conditions, and both will not really make an impact on this tournament.
I think the groups are absolutely ridiculous by the way. I think every player in Group C besides maybe Tyler could expect to get top 2 in Group A or D. Group C is just ridiculous and is a little unfair on SeleCT who deserves to do well more than anyway (except Kiwikaki ? haha)
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Win:
FxoTgun: I think he is a cool guy (quite a bit of bias here). He has helped me a lot with my game and I hope he does well. He is obviously a huge underdog but we'll see.
EG.Idra: Goes without much more said... best foreign zerg imo.
Diginitas Naniwa: I'm a protoss and he is a guy I really enjoy learning from, stealing builds, watching ect... Plus 2 in a row would be pretty cool to view.
Lose:
The Koreans: Nothing against them and I'm a huge MC fan but it would be pretty cool to see them all shutdown. Perhaps "Koreans are better than foreigners" would start to fade in the future.
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Obviously the 5 swedish players all drank swedish water before they went to MLG, so they should take 1,2,3,4 and 5.
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To win: MMA, I want him to win because i really like to see him play and if he wins he'll get code S.
Ret: well i have to be biased for Ret as he's also from the Netherlands
Gretorp: I know a lot of people believe he doesn't deserve his seat, I hope he pulls a san and goes from zero to hero and shows everyone he deserves his seat. I have to be realistic and i don't see this happen though.
To lose: Cruncher, I would like to see him lose because all the games i have seen of him he did some kind of cheese or all in.
Besides him there nobody i would really like to fail
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Win:
Sheth: excellent player and really nice guy. easy to root for someone that participates in things like TL attack and random team games on itmeJP's stream.
July: Koreans aren't better, but July is.
TEAM LIQUID PLAYERS!!!: they have had a rough couple of months and need to come out of the slump. they are good players and i know they will get going eventually, but better sooner than later. plus, if tyler quits i will actually cry, and TLO, good luck overcoming CT, i hope you still play well.
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you guys need to lay off Cruncher, honestly
his games vs Idra were played smart, Idra just exaggerates and his endless diehard fanbois just copy what he says without understanding it
to win:
MMA - great, great player, performance in teamleagues is amazing
Losira - see above, as a zerg his play has defined many staple builds and the switch from P>Z to Z>P
Idra - well rounded zerg, his bm makes games so entertaining
to lose:
+ Show Spoiler + - skill is tremendously exaggerated, and I despise him, really because this one time on Xnc Obs this silver leaguer beat me because I did a cutesy build, and went on to talk shit saying that "mc is the best in the world" and gave me insight on his play which was shit
ThorZain - (dont flame me) Strong player, want to see him fail for some reason, idk
Naniwa - Strong player, want to see him fail because he's still bm
Kiwikaki - questionable how he's gotten so far in tourneys
team ROOT - questionable how they've been so successful
Destiny - like IdrA, without the skill. has made mistakes no progamer should make (spire off creep lolololol). still, stream entertaining
I havent been following MLG and who's attending but:
If they are attending, I'd like Ret and Haypro to do well and truly showoff their skill
To avoid hate:
I like team ROOT to some degree, players are fair and I admire how their competing
HOWEVER, imho they'r skill is horribly exaggerated,
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[B]
To fail:
1. Destiny - Cannot stand this guy. Way overrated. And after hearing how immature he is last night on SotG talk about caster etiquette, he needs to be taken out early.
I actually feel that Destiny was the only one to approach the 'issue' with any objective logic/reasoning.
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On June 04 2011 04:20 Atila wrote:+ Show Spoiler + - skill is tremendously exaggerated, and I despise him, really because this one time on Xnc Obs this silver leaguer beat me because I did a cutesy build, and went on to talk shit saying that "mc is the best in the world" and gave me insight on his play which was shit
You hate a player because one of his fans annoyed you?
Uh..
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reading the lists of people who are disliked is interesting but i really dont want anyone to fail for any reason except they didint practise enough and i hope the top16 is really the best players who worked hardest to get there and not a product of previous seeds and 50% ratios.
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I think TLO will not do as well as people hopes for, he revealed on his fanclub that his CTS just got worse.
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They should have Gretorp and Select change places in group.
Idra, Select, MC, and Tyler should not be in the same group, that is ridiculous.
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Win: Idra, MMA, edit: Ret
Lose : Tyler, Naniwa, Thorzain
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Right now, the hopes that we have are:
Lag, Disconnect, and Eagles!
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Who I want to win;
IdrA, DeMusliM, ThorzaiN
Who I want to lose; Tyler, nani, MC
Who I know will lose no matter what ; IdrA, DeMusliM (he looks like half the player he used to be after coming back), MC, Nani
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On June 04 2011 05:09 forgottendreams wrote:
Who I want to win;
IdrA, DeMusliM, ThorzaiN
Who I want to lose; Tyler, nani, MC
Who I know will lose no matter what ; IdrA, DeMusliM (he looks like half the player he used to be after coming back), MC, Nani
Mc lose no matter what? What? lol
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Win: MC Tyler Sheth
Lose: Idra thorzain naniwa
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On June 04 2011 05:11 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 05:09 forgottendreams wrote:
Who I want to win;
IdrA, DeMusliM, ThorzaiN
Who I want to lose; Tyler, nani, MC
Who I know will lose no matter what ; IdrA, DeMusliM (he looks like half the player he used to be after coming back), MC, Nani Mc lose no matter what? What? lol
I think his fellow korean zergs and terrans have figured out how to properly counter his previously invincible timing builds.
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On June 04 2011 05:09 forgottendreams wrote:
Who I want to win;
IdrA, DeMusliM, ThorzaiN
Who I want to lose; Tyler, nani, MC
Who I know will lose no matter what ; IdrA, DeMusliM (he looks like half the player he used to be after coming back), MC, Nani
Idra fanboy that hates protoss. Interesting
Group C looks the hardest by far
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To win: Pokebunny, Destiny, and Moon
Lose: Naniwa. Select. VileHawk (I think he is there?)
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Who I want to win
MMA: My favourite player from my favourite team, doesn't need more explanation than that even though there's more to be said.
Haypro: Such a nice guy who was great at BW and he needs to get the confidence that Jinro got by crushing through MLG as he is yet to show any brilliance in SC2, not very likely though.
July: I want him to be as successful in SC2 as in BW and him crushing through MLG Naniwa-style would be amazing after his GSL S5 final.
Stream.
Who I want to lose
Thorzain: I consider him overhyped after TSL and I feel like he isn't nearly as strong when he doesn't have weeks to prepare for his games and it wouldn't suprise me if he got knocked out in the open bracket. He's welcome to prove me wrong though as I don't have anything against him as a person.
The Koreans (Except for MMA and July obviously): I don't want SC2 to go the way of BW where ONLY Koreans stand at the top and thus I think Korean dominance at MLG would be bad for the western scene. I also feel that Moon we have seen recently doesn't deserve to get anywhere high in this MLG but that could of course change considering how good (quite an understatement yo?) he was in WC3. Losira is overrated imo, he's great but not THAT great. MC: I like his attitude, I like his play and I love his dance moves (Flounder anyone?), but I just don't want him to dominate too much in SC2, I want the spotlight to go to other players as well like it did with Naniwa after MLG and MC is the one player in the world who needs to win the least after all the fame and prizemoney he has recieved, he only needs the win to prove that he isn't slumping.
Idra: He really is a great player but I haven't ever liked his attitude or mindset.
The eagles in their fight for control over the MLG stream viewers.
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United States7166 Posts
to win:
lag
common sense, empathy VS greed, ignorance
Blizzard employees that care about the community VS everyone else at Blizzard
to lose:
Battle.net 2.0
LAN opposition
procrastination of their 'to-do list'
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To win: MorroW, Naniwa, DeMuSLiM/SjoW/ThorZain
To lose: Geoff, Incontrol, The Face of Esports
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Anyone who says they want the Koreans to fail are complete idiots. It's common knowledge that it's the Koreans who have the rigorous training sessions and not the other way around. If they lose against players who do not even come close to getting the same amount of practice, it means Starcraft 2 does not value skill and is instead about build order wins. Basically meaning the game will never be successful competitively.
That said, I want ROOT to fail. The entire team just screams mediocrity.
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Win:
Idra
Idra
Idra
Lose:
Everybody else :D
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On June 04 2011 03:34 Sein wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2011 03:11 Konsume wrote:Hope to win: - ROOT.Slush, cause he's a friend IRL and cause he's one of the best agressive zerg right now. He's verry skilled and I wish him luck. Also the 5000$ would help him to chance his computer so he could get better stream quality and get more viewers! - ROOT. KiWiKaKi, simply cause the guy when to each finals and (I think) never one once. So he definatly deserve it EG. Idra, cause I want to copy him the best I can... so the longer he plays the better I will get ! HAHA EG. Machine, cause I've met him not too long ago and he's a really nice guy! He's always taking time to answer my questions and I hope he gets what he deserve Hope to fail: - E v e r y s i n g l e K o r e a n ! ! !, cause I'm sick of the old stereotype that says Korean > All, TBH I'm watching many Korean streams and it always seems like NA and EU are wayyyy better at the game right now. Koreans are just cheese masters.... and as soon as they get into a macro game... I find them to be wayyy behind any EU or NA player. But... good luck to all progamers and new blood that gets a shot at MLG NA and EU players are "wayyyy better" and that the Koreans are just "cheese masters" who are "wayyy behind"... is this a troll attempt?
oh hey!! seems I was right... Idra takes MC in macro games and than Naniwa does the same thing to Moon... all in macro games!
Yah yah I'm trolling... NOT!
On June 04 2011 06:22 elitesniper420 wrote:
Anyone who says they want the Koreans to fail are complete idiots. It's common knowledge that it's the Koreans who have the rigorous training sessions and not the other way around. If they lose against players who do not even come close to getting the same amount of practice, it means Starcraft 2 does not value skill and is instead about build order wins. Basically meaning the game will never be successful competitively.
That said, I want ROOT to fail. The entire team just screams mediocrity.
And what are you talking about... if SC2 is about build order and strategy in general instead of pure APM.... its unbeleively good and will succeed! finaly we will see strategies (brain) over apm (hand speed). Imo it was about time!
and as for root just get half the skill they have... or don't comment on them! Root is arguably the best NA team
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On June 03 2011 23:35 Looms wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 23:30 Titorelli wrote:On June 02 2011 07:30 rickybobby wrote:
to win:
tyler because i just rewatched that video of his first courage
mma because hes a sick baller
tastosis because theyre there
to lose:
i dont really care but i dont want or expect any Koreans to get rolled
and im hoping for a cruncher vs idra Where can I find this courage vid of Tyler?
Thank you!
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Koreans own white dudes!!
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To Win:
Idra (very likely at this point) with much shit talking the whole time
Tyler for the same reasons as everyone else and I want his rivalry with Idra to come back from BW
Select because Idk I just like him and with him and Idra I want some consistency in winners of major tournaments
Also with all 3 I want Americans to win (select at least half counts)
To Lose:
idk I dont really dislike any1 at mlg, ill just say a couple koreans and sixjax for the same reasons as other ppl
EDIT: scratch that, this:
to win:
lag
common sense, empathy VS greed, ignorance
Blizzard employees that care about the community VS everyone else at Blizzard
to lose:
Battle.net 2.0
LAN opposition
procrastination of their 'to-do list'
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Interesting thread...
My favs:
Idra - Our top foreigner, the one and only, take it down!
MMA - SlayerS fighting!
July - The Golden Mouse winner, my favorite zerg to watch. The Zerg that'll straight up kill you if he sees weakness.
To a lesser extent:
Moon - Respect for the 5th race
Losira - Ridiculously strong Zerg, not to many of those
MC - The first hero Toss, hope he beats everyone (minus my favorites)
Lose:
TT1, Cruncher, most of ROOT I guess.
Also, I must laugh at those who are hoping the Koreans will fail. Sorry, they won't, they're simply better players than what we have because they train so damn much (not because of their nationality). Citing TSL results doesn't work at all, this is a LAN, no lag, where they tend to dominate. So far only Moon and MC have taken a hit (though losing to Idra hardly counts, since he's basically Korea-trained).
And as mentioned before, even if they do get knocked out, I feel it's counter-productive to cheer for the players who train less (would show how shallow the SC2 skill ceiling is). Just a shame HuK or Jinro couldn't make it.
Let the best players win!
edit: added reasoning
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On June 04 2011 04:33 Unhallowed wrote:Show nested quote +[B]
To fail:
1. Destiny - Cannot stand this guy. Way overrated. And after hearing how immature he is last night on SotG talk about caster etiquette, he needs to be taken out early. I actually feel that Destiny was the only one to approach the 'issue' with any objective logic/reasoning. Even logic/reasoning aside, they were talking purely about streaming, how can iNcontrol come in and talk about "public image" and "language standards" when he plays screeching death metal on his stream. Not to mention the talk about the most niche part of the community ever: "raped women gamer nerds (that live in their basements)" as if it will even make a dent in esport. But anyway,
Top to win for each race:
- zerg: Idra
- toss: Naniwa
- terran: Thorzain
Basically I want players with solid play to do well.
Others players I want to do well: Tyler, iNcontrol, Losira
To lose:
- Gretorp = wasted spot
- TLO = I want him to do bad so he will switch from gimmick/micro/macro to macro/micro/gimmick
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On June 02 2011 05:33 DeltruS wrote:
To win:
Root. They are in impeccable shape at the moment. Minigun has turned a beast with amazing macro and micro. CatZ has his amazing style and macro; he was ahead of the curve before, and now that everyone else is starting to catch up in strategy, he is even more ahead and has all of his old stragies polished up. Drewbie is extremely solid, almost like a mini MVP, but he does have his moments that he makes bad decisions, like going pure bio VS zerg. Kiwikaki is and always be a complete beast worthy of any tournament. Slush is pretty good, but clearly the weakest on the team other than Destiny.
Root is the embodiment of what Koreans think of the foreign scene: strategic and pretty good at both micro and macro.
Sixjax is the second team that I think will do well. Some say they hate the mercenary type recruitment, but I LOVE all of the players and their styles. VIBE has great mechanics while also using a unique style. He has been polishing up his early game and even climbing the ladder to a spot above IdrA. Sixjax MajOr deserves some credit despite what Sheth says. Nobody does things that they think are wrong or extremely bad for their image. MajOr has matured a bit, and even chose a mature name for once. DDE has recently taken a $5000 grand prize off of IdrA, showing that he has amazing skill.
Dark Horses: Naniwa, MorroW, Thorzain, the Koreans, Ret and IdrA. These players are extremely good but also may suffer from jet lag or they may have the shit cheesed out of them (IdrA).
Quoting myself here. MajOr and ViBE are both doing great. ROOT on the other hand, are not. But hey, I am still a fan ^_^!
Hopefully they will arrive in the next MLG playing at their peak.
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On June 04 2011 09:25 Konsume wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 03:34 Sein wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2011 03:11 Konsume wrote:Hope to win: - ROOT.Slush, cause he's a friend IRL and cause he's one of the best agressive zerg right now. He's verry skilled and I wish him luck. Also the 5000$ would help him to chance his computer so he could get better stream quality and get more viewers! - ROOT. KiWiKaKi, simply cause the guy when to each finals and (I think) never one once. So he definatly deserve it EG. Idra, cause I want to copy him the best I can... so the longer he plays the better I will get ! HAHA EG. Machine, cause I've met him not too long ago and he's a really nice guy! He's always taking time to answer my questions and I hope he gets what he deserve Hope to fail: - E v e r y s i n g l e K o r e a n ! ! !, cause I'm sick of the old stereotype that says Korean > All, TBH I'm watching many Korean streams and it always seems like NA and EU are wayyyy better at the game right now. Koreans are just cheese masters.... and as soon as they get into a macro game... I find them to be wayyy behind any EU or NA player. But... good luck to all progamers and new blood that gets a shot at MLG NA and EU players are "wayyyy better" and that the Koreans are just "cheese masters" who are "wayyy behind"... is this a troll attempt? oh hey!! seems I was right... Idra takes MC in macro games and than Naniwa does the same thing to Moon... all in macro games! Yah yah I'm trolling... NOT! Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 06:22 elitesniper420 wrote:
Anyone who says they want the Koreans to fail are complete idiots. It's common knowledge that it's the Koreans who have the rigorous training sessions and not the other way around. If they lose against players who do not even come close to getting the same amount of practice, it means Starcraft 2 does not value skill and is instead about build order wins. Basically meaning the game will never be successful competitively.
That said, I want ROOT to fail. The entire team just screams mediocrity. And what are you talking about... if SC2 is about build order and strategy in general instead of pure APM.... its unbeleively good and will succeed! finaly we will see strategies (brain) over apm (hand speed). Imo it was about time! and as for root just get half the skill they have... or don't comment on them! Root is arguably the best NA team
he's saying you are trolling because:
1. Not all of the Korean wins in MLG are from cheesing so it disproves your theory
2. You only pick and chose the Idra versus MC and Moon versus Naniwa, so why don't you choose when a Korean wins a macro game against a foreigner as an example?
so yeah, you're not right
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On June 04 2011 03:11 Konsume wrote:Hope to win: - ROOT.Slush, cause he's a friend IRL and cause he's one of the best agressive zerg right now. He's verry skilled and I wish him luck. Also the 5000$ would help him to chance his computer so he could get better stream quality and get more viewers! - ROOT. KiWiKaKi, simply cause the guy when to each finals and (I think) never one once. So he definatly deserve it EG. Idra, cause I want to copy him the best I can... so the longer he plays the better I will get ! HAHA EG. Machine, cause I've met him not too long ago and he's a really nice guy! He's always taking time to answer my questions and I hope he gets what he deserve Hope to fail: - E v e r y s i n g l e K o r e a n ! ! !, cause I'm sick of the old stereotype that says Korean > All, TBH I'm watching many Korean streams and it always seems like NA and EU are wayyyy better at the game right now. Koreans are just cheese masters.... and as soon as they get into a macro game... I find them to be wayyy behind any EU or NA player. But... good luck to all progamers and new blood that gets a shot at MLG
Lol turns out you dont know how to judge skill. Its obvious the koreans are much better on average. Now they are way behind NA/EU?
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Nice pointless thread necro bro. The person in your quote is an idiot but that's not a very good reason.
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On June 16 2011 07:14 Rarak wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 03:11 Konsume wrote:Hope to win: - ROOT.Slush, cause he's a friend IRL and cause he's one of the best agressive zerg right now. He's verry skilled and I wish him luck. Also the 5000$ would help him to chance his computer so he could get better stream quality and get more viewers! - ROOT. KiWiKaKi, simply cause the guy when to each finals and (I think) never one once. So he definatly deserve it EG. Idra, cause I want to copy him the best I can... so the longer he plays the better I will get ! HAHA EG. Machine, cause I've met him not too long ago and he's a really nice guy! He's always taking time to answer my questions and I hope he gets what he deserve Hope to fail: - E v e r y s i n g l e K o r e a n ! ! !, cause I'm sick of the old stereotype that says Korean > All, TBH I'm watching many Korean streams and it always seems like NA and EU are wayyyy better at the game right now. Koreans are just cheese masters.... and as soon as they get into a macro game... I find them to be wayyy behind any EU or NA player. But... good luck to all progamers and new blood that gets a shot at MLG Lol turns out you dont know how to judge skill. Its obvious the koreans are much better on average. Now they are way behind NA/EU?
90% of the people on this forum don't know how to judge skill. Nothing special.
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