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letsgohome
Profile Joined September 2010
United States10 Posts
May 20 2011 07:30 GMT
#1
Sorry if this is brought up. But I just ran into a guy (gtlguido) that did this weird pause surrender/victory. Luckily I didn't fall for it.

Was wondering if anyone has run into it...

so I basically roflstomped this toss player and as I took down his whole army he paused the game and quickly left. Seeing that I saw he left I pressed F10 to bring up the menu and it didn't say score screen, it said Surrender. I unpaused it before hand thinking maybe this guy is doing that trick where you type "Has left the game" and thinking I was stupid enough to fall for it. But as soon as I unpaused it immediately said I won.

I wrote to him and basically talked trash. Looked at his rank and saw he was a bronze. Which is kind of weird cause I'm diamond and I usually play plat/diamonds.

So to my understanding is that this guy is doing some trick to pause and leave at the same time. hoping I click surrender instead of unpause. Then taking a "free" win.

I looked at his last few games and he has like 25 wins and maybe like 5-8 losses total. So to my understanding is that he either cheated those some of those wins and people fell for his scam.

Anyone seen this? Is it a hack? a glitch? a trick?
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
May 20 2011 07:33 GMT
#2
The pause button is right above the surrender button. If he's bronze he's probably a clicker, could just be a simple misclick.
Viruuus
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany451 Posts
May 20 2011 07:34 GMT
#3
this is very old, and if you fall for it he deserves the win

why would it be a hack to pause and then type "has left the game" ?
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julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
May 20 2011 07:34 GMT
#4
Well he "won" in under a minute, so he's going to be punished the way Blizzard intends portrait farmers to be punished.... I think. And yeah, I've encountered it on ladder before. I forgot what I did though....
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Cheeznuklz
Profile Joined October 2010
60 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 07:37:15
May 20 2011 07:34 GMT
#5
Look here!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=pausing &t=t&f=-1&u=&gb=date

I'm sure what you're looking for is in one of those other 36 pause related threads.
letsgohome
Profile Joined September 2010
United States10 Posts
May 20 2011 07:35 GMT
#6
I understand that, but it doesn't explain why it said "surrender" on my side when I wanted to look at the score screen.
juxtaposedhearts0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States50 Posts
May 20 2011 07:36 GMT
#7
This happened to me a week or so ago. I demolished a bronze Protoss player and there was a simultaneous pause and "has left the game". Without thinking I just hit what I assumed was "score screen" but I realized too late that it really said "surrender." It shows as a loss in my match history but whenever I try to look at the score screen it just says there is an error.
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Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
May 20 2011 07:40 GMT
#8
Actually it could just be an accident. A couple times I've gone for surrender but missed and hit pause. Realising that I've hit pause instead of surrender, I hit surrender within the same second I've hit pause causing a "Error loading page" screen to appear on my half and no record of the game xD. I think I still lose points but haven't bothered to check
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
May 20 2011 07:40 GMT
#9
every 20th game i pause before leaving just cause of missclicking ... can happen
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Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 07:43:53
May 20 2011 07:42 GMT
#10
Yeah, annoying, especially since EVERYTIME I unpause they leave almost immediately, without fail.

But I got around since on a Laptop and have Fn (FN+PGUP,FN+PGDN) keys that are by default associated with pause/unpause, so as soon as it gets paused and no score screen option comes up I instantly unpause via hotkeys
lindn
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden833 Posts
May 20 2011 07:43 GMT
#11
On May 20 2011 16:30 letsgohome wrote:
Sorry if this is brought up. But I just ran into a guy (gtlguido) that did this weird pause surrender/victory. Luckily I didn't fall for it.

Was wondering if anyone has run into it...

so I basically roflstomped this toss player and as I took down his whole army he paused the game and quickly left. Seeing that I saw he left I pressed F10 to bring up the menu and it didn't say score screen, it said Surrender. I unpaused it before hand thinking maybe this guy is doing that trick where you type "Has left the game" and thinking I was stupid enough to fall for it. But as soon as I unpaused it immediately said I won.

I wrote to him and basically talked trash. Looked at his rank and saw he was a bronze. Which is kind of weird cause I'm diamond and I usually play plat/diamonds.

So to my understanding is that this guy is doing some trick to pause and leave at the same time. hoping I click surrender instead of unpause. Then taking a "free" win.

I looked at his last few games and he has like 25 wins and maybe like 5-8 losses total. So to my understanding is that he either cheated those some of those wins and people fell for his scam.

Anyone seen this? Is it a hack? a glitch? a trick?

you just talked trash to someone who simply missclicked.

you're a good person.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
May 20 2011 07:43 GMT
#12
I'm confused, isn't surrender N.

Maybe its just me but after Starcraft 2 being out for nearly a year I've never fallen for this. Though I have had this happen to me a few times, both with [Opponent] has left the game! and the pause version of it.. I'm confused how anyone falls for this.

Score screen- S key. Surrender- N key. After playing a 5-55 minute game where you have to pay attention to the biggest and the smallest details, why would you blindly mouse click surrender O.o

But my main point- Why use the mouse at all? Press F10 then S every time and if it doesn't work, he's screwing with you.
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
May 20 2011 07:46 GMT
#13
On May 20 2011 16:42 Dommk wrote:
Yeah, annoying, especially since EVERYTIME I unpause they leave almost immediately, without fail.

But I got around since on a Laptop and have Fn (FN+PGUP,FN+PGDN) keys that are by default associated with pause/unpause, so as soon as it gets paused and no score screen option comes up I instantly unpause via hotkeys


LOL, you already have a 'hotkey'. Look for "Pause/Break" button.
Dakota_Fanning *
Profile Joined January 2008
Hungary2359 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 07:48:41
May 20 2011 07:46 GMT
#14
The game end condition is checked repeatedly in a short time, let's say in 1-2 seconds. The game end condition is probably not checked while the game is paused.

So if a player pauses the game and leaves shortly after that (in less than a second), when you open the menu, it will still show the Surrender button because the game end condition has not yet been checked since the pause.

Don't fall for this, always resume and hit Score screen while the game is unpaused.
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letsgohome
Profile Joined September 2010
United States10 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 07:51:33
May 20 2011 07:50 GMT
#15
On May 20 2011 16:46 Dakota_Fanning wrote:
The game end condition is checked repeatedly in a short time, let's say in 1-2 seconds. The game end condition is probably not checked while the game is paused.

So if a player pauses the game and leaves shortly after that (in less than a second), when you open the menu, it will still show the Surrender button because the game end condition has not yet been checked since the pause.

Don't fall for this, always resume and hit Score screen while the game is unpaused.


Thank you for understanding this post. I still feel like this guy tried cheating me. I can't help but see a bronze player have a pretty good W/L ratio against Gold-Diamonds. He must've cheated and tricked some of those wins.

I can tell his micro wasn't that good either since a lot his units were left standing there and his forcefields were really off. He definitely played at a really low level but got a lot of his wins through his trick.
teekesselchen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany886 Posts
May 20 2011 07:50 GMT
#16
On May 20 2011 16:46 slimshady wrote:
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On May 20 2011 16:42 Dommk wrote:
Yeah, annoying, especially since EVERYTIME I unpause they leave almost immediately, without fail.

But I got around since on a Laptop and have Fn (FN+PGUP,FN+PGDN) keys that are by default associated with pause/unpause, so as soon as it gets paused and no score screen option comes up I instantly unpause via hotkeys


LOL, you already have a 'hotkey'. Look for "Pause/Break" button.


Yep, I only use that one for the obvious reasons. If my opponent pauses without saying a thing right the moment his loss became obvious, I always press that one.
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dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
May 20 2011 07:56 GMT
#17
You can Unpause with the Pause Key on your Keyboard AND even if he pauses the game before leaving it might just take some more time before you'll get that win in your match stats. Btw.: i'm also a clicker when it comes to leaving a game ^^
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prodiG
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2016 Posts
May 20 2011 08:00 GMT
#18
this used to be a bug that would break the results in the score screen and mess with your matchmaking win/loss, i'm pretty sure it's been fixed
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DImported
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia149 Posts
May 20 2011 09:00 GMT
#19
If the game is paused and you press surrender AFTER your opponent does, who gets the win?
Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
May 20 2011 09:04 GMT
#20
It happened to me, I said gg and wanted to leave, too lazy to use f10+n I clicked and I missclicked on pause, then surrender. No big deal it's just a missclick.
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dashiz
Profile Joined August 2010
Costa Rica193 Posts
May 20 2011 09:08 GMT
#21
its actually harder to click it than F10 + N tbh
FrozenFrog
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore133 Posts
May 20 2011 09:10 GMT
#22
What's worse is that you wanted to pause but hit surrender instead, happened to me before, not proud of it
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StrangrDangr
Profile Joined March 2011
United States291 Posts
May 20 2011 09:10 GMT
#23
On May 20 2011 16:34 Viruuus wrote:
this is very old, and if you fall for it he deserves the win



My 3rd game ever (new to SC2) someone tried something like this and I nearly fell for it. I don't think anyone deserves a loss for being tricked in such a way, and rationalizing as such just shifts the blame to the victims which doesn't seem right to me.
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