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mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
May 10 2011 20:50 GMT
#601
On May 11 2011 02:09 tooPrime wrote:
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On May 11 2011 02:06 mikyaJ wrote:
On May 10 2011 14:10 Belisarius wrote:
Also, totally ignoring the IM thing because it's pretty obviously retarded; what the heck is up with the brackets?
oGs (1st) plays ST (4th) in the first round. Seriously, guys, seeds. Seeds are good. At least SlayerS is on the other side of the bracket.

They randomize them because you could end up having the same bracket over and over.

Its based of the point system which is flawed. The first seed is the previous championship team and the the rest of the seeds is based on quantity of players in the GSL. That's why Ogs is always the second seed yet have never won a series in the GSTL.

Completely unrelated to what I was responding to, but ok

seeing as he said "oGs (1st)" he obviously meant seeding based off of points.

Aaand oGs is 1st Seed, and that's not why they have never won a series. They've never won a series because they lose them.
MKP||TSL
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
May 10 2011 20:51 GMT
#602
On May 11 2011 02:25 FliedLice wrote:
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On May 11 2011 01:57 ReaperX wrote:
I feel so bad about IM not being able to play... Although I respect GOM, they should do something like total the player's GSL points in total



so one gsl champion player can carry a whole team?

They have a 2-time champion, a code A champion, and a soon-to-be 2-time champion.
MKP||TSL
cENTRYZ
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway832 Posts
May 10 2011 20:52 GMT
#603
Not gonna bother buying a ticket for this, hopefully i'll catch the SQ stream or something. SlayerS vs StarTale finals
Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
May 10 2011 20:56 GMT
#604
I think oGs is an extremely strong team, they just might not make the best decisions always. For examples, NaDa who I would say is one of there strongest players has never gotten a chance to play in either GSTL, and also they lost 3-4 to SlayerS last time after they basically let Ryung have a free second kill by putting the weak vsT SuperNova to face the vT sniper Ryung.
mholden02
Profile Joined October 2010
387 Posts
May 10 2011 21:01 GMT
#605
Clearly the formula for calculating who qualifies for GSTL is useless. IM may be the strongest team on the planet, with arguably the best Terran, and the 2 best Zergs. The omission is so inexplicable, any discussion regarding the GSTL will start with the team who isn't there, instead of those who are.
te3l
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada126 Posts
May 10 2011 21:02 GMT
#606
Cheers to GOM for sticking to their rules even when there IM did not qualify instead of bending the rules to allow IM to play. This way it will motivate other teams to do better and keep teams that are already at the top to perform their best in order to stay in the team league. Sucks that liquid only has like 3 players(I think?) in korea.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 10 2011 21:08 GMT
#607
I'd put ST as favorite to win it all. Them and SlayerS (who seem to approach the team league most seriously out of all teams) could easily make it to the finals, but I'm not sure if SlayerS can do two in a row. On the other hand, I'm pretty disillusioned with oGs these days, plus their player selection logic last time was ridiculous.

But still, SlayerS T1 fighting. xD

PS. On the whole IM issue, on one hand I dislike them a lot and I'm pretty happy that they didn't sneak in through the back door and that the rules didn't bend for them, but on the other hand they would definitely add to the quality of the league. Also, a rivalry between them and SlayerS could be interesting if it developed.
Pughy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Wales662 Posts
May 10 2011 21:09 GMT
#608
Wow this sucks! You'd think they'd give teams extra points for previous GSTL standings, especially since ya know, IM won one GSTL and made into the finals in the other....
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em0rej007
Profile Joined May 2011
France36 Posts
May 10 2011 21:09 GMT
#609
Wouldn't be bad if the 4 last teams would've been directly in kind of loser bracket, so losers of round 1 meet them ... would've been much longer tho =)
And liquid with only 3 players )
Av4st
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada92 Posts
May 10 2011 21:11 GMT
#610
fuck yes, a beach map for summer!!

I hope it's a great map and blizzard adds it to the ladder pool.
Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
May 10 2011 21:14 GMT
#611
On May 11 2011 05:49 anatem wrote:
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On May 11 2011 05:21 Airship wrote:
On May 11 2011 05:19 anatem wrote:
there is no clearer and more fair method of making the team league into a properly competitive tournament than what GOM is doing right now.


Qualification matches?


that would make the team league into a very large tournament because you would need quite a pretty high amount of matches to have a barely large enough sample of the team's abilities to warrant you get the best teams in, and even then there may be things to be argued. and you couldn't play it in the all-kill format because that would not be indicative of the team's overall skill, and you couldn't play bo1's because that would provide too small a smaple of people's skills. and it wouldn;t be reasonable to do that when you can have 8 teams in the league when there's like 10 teams proper in the whole of S. Korea that have their sights on spots int he GSL

you get all these prelims through the qualification tournaments for code A, and then through the code A which is a higher level qualification tournament in itself to get into the GSL proper which is code S.

so while i agree it would be a close alternative, it would be too much of a logistic hassle and expense for a likely minimal difference in the quality and balance of the selection process, thus making it pretty redundant, and overcomplicated.

though i must admit, thinking on it more thoroughly, the current format does indeed grant a slight advantage to the older teams who have been at it longer, having time to get enough people into code S above arguably better more talented players of newer teams or teams with fresh talent -say Prime vs. IM. however, that leads us to arbitrary factors for one, and second, experience has shown us that the likes of slayers can come out of nowehere and own, while one of the oldest teams can come just short.

this slight imbalance can be easily fixed though, by means of changing the points earned differential for code S and code A perhaps, and other things. but even this i don't think is relevant, since the multi-level system of the GSL code system filters out the weaker players for the most part -granted, there are things to be tweaked here too-, so while you can have a team like IM fall down this season, you're sure to have it in the league next time.

bla-bla getting tired of myself writing this, i could keep going on with an essay-long analysis of the entire GSL system, but i guess i made the simple straight-up point i had to make in my earlier post




Oh ok. Well you're wrong, partial individual rankings are in no way the clearest and best method of determining the top teams.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 10 2011 21:15 GMT
#612
Liquid could have a nice shot of making it into this if they actually committed to Korea. If they have the sponsorship to keep the players there long term and give them some time to get it together, they should at least consider it. Being scattered around the globe thing isn't really working out for them. Korean scene will still end up being dominant in the end anyway.
Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
May 10 2011 21:16 GMT
#613
Well I know who isn't getting a gstl ticket this month
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
May 10 2011 21:17 GMT
#614
OMG every time I see TSL I think TeamLiquid and then get confused D:

SCV Life....
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
May 10 2011 21:18 GMT
#615
On May 11 2011 06:16 Brotatolol wrote:
Well I know who isn't getting a gstl ticket this month

You will still get one after reading LR threads ^^
Sanjuro
Profile Joined November 2010
Indonesia252 Posts
May 10 2011 21:19 GMT
#616
the system has been implemented since the 1st GSTL, and when suddenly IM didnt qualify they cant just change the system, it wouldnt be fair to the other teams.

Really looking forward to GSTL, the drama, the BM, and really hoping for a Slayers vs oGs final
im the Villain of the Story, im not meant to be saved
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
May 10 2011 21:19 GMT
#617
On May 11 2011 02:25 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 01:57 ReaperX wrote:
I feel so bad about IM not being able to play... Although I respect GOM, they should do something like total the player's GSL points in total



so one gsl champion player can carry a whole team?


Have you ever watch the pro team in BW ? have you ever seen Oz who is pretty good in proleague only because the have 1 good player in there lineup. I don't see why it can't happen in sc2


On May 11 2011 06:11 getty wrote:
fuck yes, a beach map for summer!!

I hope it's a great map and blizzard adds it to the ladder pool.


This may be the reason why they choose this map And i think this is a wonderful idea
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
May 10 2011 21:25 GMT
#618
On May 11 2011 06:19 StoLiVe wrote:

Have you ever watch the pro team in BW ? have you ever seen Oz who is pretty good in proleague only because the have 1 good player in there lineup. I don't see why it can't happen in sc2


Yeah dude, I love Killer, he is awesome.
One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
May 10 2011 21:26 GMT
#619
That new map looks sexy and fun to play on can't wait to see it get implemented.
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
May 10 2011 21:26 GMT
#620
The rules were in place long ago and IM didn't meet the qualifications. That's all there is to it. GomTV should NOT let them in, no matter the public outcry. That's the entire point of having rules. and it's completely fair, those rules were decided upon before this tournament and well known to the entire team.

You can make a case that the rule itself is not fair, but this is the first time this situation has come up. Maybe GomTV needs to change the rule, but for now props to them for doing the right thing as an organization which is following the rules you put down.
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