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On May 11 2011 02:09 tooPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 02:06 mikyaJ wrote:On May 10 2011 14:10 Belisarius wrote:
Also, totally ignoring the IM thing because it's pretty obviously retarded; what the heck is up with the brackets?
oGs (1st) plays ST (4th) in the first round. Seriously, guys, seeds. Seeds are good. At least SlayerS is on the other side of the bracket. They randomize them because you could end up having the same bracket over and over. Its based of the point system which is flawed. The first seed is the previous championship team and the the rest of the seeds is based on quantity of players in the GSL. That's why Ogs is always the second seed yet have never won a series in the GSTL.
Completely unrelated to what I was responding to, but ok
seeing as he said "oGs (1st)" he obviously meant seeding based off of points.
Aaand oGs is 1st Seed, and that's not why they have never won a series. They've never won a series because they lose them.
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On May 11 2011 02:25 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 01:57 ReaperX wrote:
I feel so bad about IM not being able to play... Although I respect GOM, they should do something like total the player's GSL points in total so one gsl champion player can carry a whole team?
They have a 2-time champion, a code A champion, and a soon-to-be 2-time champion.
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Not gonna bother buying a ticket for this, hopefully i'll catch the SQ stream or something. SlayerS vs StarTale finals
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I think oGs is an extremely strong team, they just might not make the best decisions always. For examples, NaDa who I would say is one of there strongest players has never gotten a chance to play in either GSTL, and also they lost 3-4 to SlayerS last time after they basically let Ryung have a free second kill by putting the weak vsT SuperNova to face the vT sniper Ryung.
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Clearly the formula for calculating who qualifies for GSTL is useless. IM may be the strongest team on the planet, with arguably the best Terran, and the 2 best Zergs. The omission is so inexplicable, any discussion regarding the GSTL will start with the team who isn't there, instead of those who are.
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Cheers to GOM for sticking to their rules even when there IM did not qualify instead of bending the rules to allow IM to play. This way it will motivate other teams to do better and keep teams that are already at the top to perform their best in order to stay in the team league. Sucks that liquid only has like 3 players(I think?) in korea.
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I'd put ST as favorite to win it all. Them and SlayerS (who seem to approach the team league most seriously out of all teams) could easily make it to the finals, but I'm not sure if SlayerS can do two in a row. On the other hand, I'm pretty disillusioned with oGs these days, plus their player selection logic last time was ridiculous.
But still, SlayerS T1 fighting. xD
PS. On the whole IM issue, on one hand I dislike them a lot and I'm pretty happy that they didn't sneak in through the back door and that the rules didn't bend for them, but on the other hand they would definitely add to the quality of the league. Also, a rivalry between them and SlayerS could be interesting if it developed.
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Wow this sucks! You'd think they'd give teams extra points for previous GSTL standings, especially since ya know, IM won one GSTL and made into the finals in the other....
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Wouldn't be bad if the 4 last teams would've been directly in kind of loser bracket, so losers of round 1 meet them ... would've been much longer tho =)
And liquid with only 3 players  )
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fuck yes, a beach map for summer!!
I hope it's a great map and blizzard adds it to the ladder pool. 
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On May 11 2011 05:49 anatem wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 05:21 Airship wrote:On May 11 2011 05:19 anatem wrote:
there is no clearer and more fair method of making the team league into a properly competitive tournament than what GOM is doing right now.
Qualification matches? that would make the team league into a very large tournament because you would need quite a pretty high amount of matches to have a barely large enough sample of the team's abilities to warrant you get the best teams in, and even then there may be things to be argued. and you couldn't play it in the all-kill format because that would not be indicative of the team's overall skill, and you couldn't play bo1's because that would provide too small a smaple of people's skills. and it wouldn;t be reasonable to do that when you can have 8 teams in the league when there's like 10 teams proper in the whole of S. Korea that have their sights on spots int he GSL you get all these prelims through the qualification tournaments for code A, and then through the code A which is a higher level qualification tournament in itself to get into the GSL proper which is code S. so while i agree it would be a close alternative, it would be too much of a logistic hassle and expense for a likely minimal difference in the quality and balance of the selection process, thus making it pretty redundant, and overcomplicated. though i must admit, thinking on it more thoroughly, the current format does indeed grant a slight advantage to the older teams who have been at it longer, having time to get enough people into code S above arguably better more talented players of newer teams or teams with fresh talent -say Prime vs. IM. however, that leads us to arbitrary factors for one, and second, experience has shown us that the likes of slayers can come out of nowehere and own, while one of the oldest teams can come just short. this slight imbalance can be easily fixed though, by means of changing the points earned differential for code S and code A perhaps, and other things. but even this i don't think is relevant, since the multi-level system of the GSL code system filters out the weaker players for the most part -granted, there are things to be tweaked here too-, so while you can have a team like IM fall down this season, you're sure to have it in the league next time. bla-bla getting tired of myself writing this, i could keep going on with an essay-long analysis of the entire GSL system, but i guess i made the simple straight-up point i had to make in my earlier post
Oh ok. Well you're wrong, partial individual rankings are in no way the clearest and best method of determining the top teams.
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Liquid could have a nice shot of making it into this if they actually committed to Korea. If they have the sponsorship to keep the players there long term and give them some time to get it together, they should at least consider it. Being scattered around the globe thing isn't really working out for them. Korean scene will still end up being dominant in the end anyway.
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Well I know who isn't getting a gstl ticket this month 
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OMG every time I see TSL I think TeamLiquid and then get confused D:
SCV Life....
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On May 11 2011 06:16 Brotatolol wrote:Well I know who isn't getting a gstl ticket this month
You will still get one after reading LR threads ^^
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the system has been implemented since the 1st GSTL, and when suddenly IM didnt qualify they cant just change the system, it wouldnt be fair to the other teams.
Really looking forward to GSTL, the drama, the BM, and really hoping for a Slayers vs oGs final
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On May 11 2011 02:25 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 01:57 ReaperX wrote:
I feel so bad about IM not being able to play... Although I respect GOM, they should do something like total the player's GSL points in total so one gsl champion player can carry a whole team?
Have you ever watch the pro team in BW ? have you ever seen Oz who is pretty good in proleague only because the have 1 good player in there lineup. I don't see why it can't happen in sc2
On May 11 2011 06:11 getty wrote:fuck yes, a beach map for summer!! I hope it's a great map and blizzard adds it to the ladder pool.
This may be the reason why they choose this map And i think this is a wonderful idea
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On May 11 2011 06:19 StoLiVe wrote:
Have you ever watch the pro team in BW ? have you ever seen Oz who is pretty good in proleague only because the have 1 good player in there lineup. I don't see why it can't happen in sc2
Yeah dude, I love Killer, he is awesome.
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That new map looks sexy and fun to play on can't wait to see it get implemented.
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The rules were in place long ago and IM didn't meet the qualifications. That's all there is to it. GomTV should NOT let them in, no matter the public outcry. That's the entire point of having rules. and it's completely fair, those rules were decided upon before this tournament and well known to the entire team.
You can make a case that the rule itself is not fair, but this is the first time this situation has come up. Maybe GomTV needs to change the rule, but for now props to them for doing the right thing as an organization which is following the rules you put down.
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