On May 10 2011 20:42 DreamOen wrote: I would preffer some more stable like spanish football league,like 12 teams, and able to increase the number as wella s the team number increase. I want PROLEAGUE!!
GOM is just teasing us with these, please give us proleague . At least GSTL season means new maps which rules.
Also rofl at IM not being in after reaching the finals twice. Slayers must be a huge favorite this time right?
I'm really disappointed that IM won't be in the GSTL... It won't be the same without MVP/Nestea/Losira. IM should seriously try to improve the level of its players to get some in Code A at least.
Also, the map looks pretty good, quite a different style compared to the others.
The rules are good. IM failed to deliver and were excluded based on good rules. Things are not always consistent so every now and then something like this just happens. The 99% other times you would replay the previous GSL IM would get enough points to make it in. That's why it's a good system.
I hate it when a good rule is seen as a bad rule simply because it did not serve its purpose one time. I think anyone with some common sense can see the qualification system for GSTL is fair and objective. Good rules must serve their purpose the majority of the time. No rule allows for 100% good results.
On May 10 2011 14:57 EtherealDeath wrote: What I don't understand is, if you're going to choose which teams participate based on point ranking (which is in turn dependent on # of Code S and # of Code A players) then why not seed based on your ranking?
You're basically saying that IM is not "good" or "deep" enough to join because they are 9th in points - which is a conclusion I am perfectly fine in accepting despite their 1st and 2nd place finishes in the last two GSTLs, but on the same footing that means oGs (rank 1) should be playing fOu (rank 8) instead of playing vs StarTale (rank 4).
So, what we have is, SlayerS (#5) vs ZENEX (#7) TSL (#2) vs fOu (#8) Prime (#3) vs MVP (#6) oGs(#1) vs StarTale (#4)
Imo only the Prime vs MVP matchup makes sense, since they are #3 and #6. I would rather that the matchups be like so instead:
Top half of bracket: oGs (#1) vs fOu (#8) StarTale (#4) vs SlayerS (#5)
Bottom half of bracket: TSL (#2) vs ZENEX (#7) Prime (#3) vs MVP (#6)
Ya this is the most annoying part honestly. I don't understand GOM's thought process behind this one, it's just plain silly.
Also, hoping this time around the oGs coach gets his head out of his ass and puts in some good players/matchups lol
At the end of the day IM shouldn't be relying on 2 or 3 players to get them into the league, they all need to perform as a team. You can't just kick MVP out because they're new, they've earnt the points to be there.
On May 10 2011 21:03 Jukebox Joe wrote: At the end of the day IM shouldn't be relying on 2 or 3 players to get them into the league, they all need to perform as a team. You can't just kick MVP out because they're new, they've earnt the points to be there.
They might rely on them to get in, but in the two GSTLs we had they have let their non star players get a lot of playing time, including LosirA before he owned in Code A
On May 10 2011 20:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: The rules are good. IM failed to deliver and were excluded based on good rules. Things are not always consistent so every now and then something like this just happens. The 99% other times you would replay the previous GSL IM would get enough points to make it in. That's why it's a good system.
I hate it when a good rule is seen as a bad rule simply because it did not serve its purpose one time. I think anyone with some common sense can see the qualification system for GSTL is fair and objective. Good rules must serve their purpose the majority of the time. No rule allows for 100% good results.
I completely agree. While it's disappointing that IM didn't make it in, the rule is still completely solid. This is a Team League, and entrance should be based on overall team performance, as opposed to the performance of a select few team members.
This rule promotes up and coming teams, as well as forces teams to focus on getting more players in the tournament, rather than relying on a couple heavy hitters.
On May 10 2011 20:42 DreamOen wrote: I would preffer some more stable like spanish football league,like 12 teams, and able to increase the number as wella s the team number increase. I want PROLEAGUE!!
Also rofl at IM not being in after reaching the finals twice. Slayers must be a huge favorite this time right?
OGS and Startales are a lot better than Slayers, team leagues are fairly random but they have a lot stronger line ups in theory.
On May 10 2011 20:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: The rules are good. IM failed to deliver and were excluded based on good rules. Things are not always consistent so every now and then something like this just happens. The 99% other times you would replay the previous GSL IM would get enough points to make it in. That's why it's a good system.
I hate it when a good rule is seen as a bad rule simply because it did not serve its purpose one time. I think anyone with some common sense can see the qualification system for GSTL is fair and objective. Good rules must serve their purpose the majority of the time. No rule allows for 100% good results.
I agree that it is a fair and objective rule and fulfills its role to encourage less prominent players teams to perform well in the individual league to gain recognition, but I don't think the rule is flawless. Surely there would have to come a time where a result within the actual tournament has a bearing on whether or not you have a guaranteed spot in the next event. I still think that the two finalists from the previous GSTL should be seeded in the next one.
That's just how I see the fairest solution, we'll see if GOM does changes anything for the next GSTL. ^^
On May 10 2011 20:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: The rules are good. IM failed to deliver and were excluded based on good rules. Things are not always consistent so every now and then something like this just happens. The 99% other times you would replay the previous GSL IM would get enough points to make it in. That's why it's a good system.
I hate it when a good rule is seen as a bad rule simply because it did not serve its purpose one time. I think anyone with some common sense can see the qualification system for GSTL is fair and objective. Good rules must serve their purpose the majority of the time. No rule allows for 100% good results.
I completely agree. While it's disappointing that IM didn't make it in, the rule is still completely solid. This is a Team League, and entrance should be based on overall team performance, as opposed to the performance of a select few team members.
This rule promotes up and coming teams, as well as forces teams to focus on getting more players in the tournament, rather than relying on a couple heavy hitters.
You say look at TEAM performance but then ignore TEAM league results (they have the best team performance so far of anyone) and only look at INDIVIDUAL league results. If MVP (just MVP by himself) didn't have a bad day on his up/down day over a month ago, IM would be in. Says nothing about the team.
Also hasn't part of the tradition of GSTL been seeing the players who are not in code S/A but up and coming in the spotlight. So hey lets restrict it to the teams with the most established players who we already see the most in individual leagues .
EPT
. At least GSTL season means new maps which rules.
