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Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
May 07 2011 22:07 GMT
#81
The Inca Rule is hilarious.

Nestea is such a boss though, hope he wins.
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
May 07 2011 22:13 GMT
#82
Go IncA. Keep all-inning until it stops working. If your opponents aren't good enough to stop you, that's on them.

Word. I don't get the hate. Maybe it's because I don't really care too much for Nada, but I thought it was hilarious personally. There's money on the line, and Inca's got balls and a brain; he knows what's at stake. Furthermore, I like his honesty in admitting that he totally would've gone for another all-in next. And he owned Nada in Game 3 straight-up, so clearly he can play a straight game. Was Nada having an off-day? Yes, definitely. But that happens to all of us, and it's just how it rolls.

I mean, yeah, I hope he doesn't all-in NesTea in the finals all the way to the gold, but if that's what he chooses to do, then more power to him. It's on NesTea's head to react properly to hold it off. (Which he can totally do, if his last few games say anything about his skill level.

Not to mention, 90% against Protoss is pretty damn sick.)
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
May 07 2011 22:18 GMT
#83
Nestea in game 5 was simply the best game of Starcraft 2 ever. It was literally anyones game until the last 5-10sec before the GG.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
May 07 2011 22:23 GMT
#84
On May 08 2011 05:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 05:40 mprs wrote:
On May 08 2011 05:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:
so Rain and bitbybit were great players when they made their runs?


Are you implying that Rain and Bitbybit didn't use a strategy to beat their opponents?

They did beat some players using their strategy. They won. Won.

Now the OTHER players got better, and you can see why we don't see so much SCV all ins and 2-base all ins. Because the players GOT BETTER.

Nestea wasn't better than Rain when he lost to him. He was better after when he learned how to deal with his strategy. Its almost like no one in TL has every competed. How the hell do we establish skill in something if its not by who wins and who loses?

rofl you've got to be joking or trolling because that's honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever read

Rain was better than nestea for abusing a strategy that literally took no skill to pull off? how do we establish skill? It's obvious, when you win straight up without doing a friggin scv rush 3 times in a row in the first 3 minutes of the game



Lol, basically you made up some random criterion for skill. Why does the number of times someone wins with a strat relevant to their skill? Hell, I'd argue they're less skilled if they stop doing something that's working. -_-
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
May 07 2011 22:25 GMT
#85
On May 08 2011 07:23 Oreo7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 05:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On May 08 2011 05:40 mprs wrote:
On May 08 2011 05:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:
so Rain and bitbybit were great players when they made their runs?


Are you implying that Rain and Bitbybit didn't use a strategy to beat their opponents?

They did beat some players using their strategy. They won. Won.

Now the OTHER players got better, and you can see why we don't see so much SCV all ins and 2-base all ins. Because the players GOT BETTER.

Nestea wasn't better than Rain when he lost to him. He was better after when he learned how to deal with his strategy. Its almost like no one in TL has every competed. How the hell do we establish skill in something if its not by who wins and who loses?

rofl you've got to be joking or trolling because that's honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever read

Rain was better than nestea for abusing a strategy that literally took no skill to pull off? how do we establish skill? It's obvious, when you win straight up without doing a friggin scv rush 3 times in a row in the first 3 minutes of the game



Lol, basically you made up some random criterion for skill. Why does the number of times someone wins with a strat relevant to their skill? Hell, I'd argue they're less skilled if they stop doing something that's working. -_-

sigh, people legitimately arguing that scv all-ins takes skill makes me worried about the future of sc2
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 22:33:51
May 07 2011 22:31 GMT
#86
On May 08 2011 05:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 05:40 mprs wrote:
On May 08 2011 05:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:
so Rain and bitbybit were great players when they made their runs?


Are you implying that Rain and Bitbybit didn't use a strategy to beat their opponents?

They did beat some players using their strategy. They won. Won.

Now the OTHER players got better, and you can see why we don't see so much SCV all ins and 2-base all ins. Because the players GOT BETTER.

Nestea wasn't better than Rain when he lost to him. He was better after when he learned how to deal with his strategy. Its almost like no one in TL has every competed. How the hell do we establish skill in something if its not by who wins and who loses?

rofl you've got to be joking or trolling because that's honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever read

Rain was better than nestea for abusing a strategy that literally took no skill to pull off? how do we establish skill? It's obvious, when you win straight up without doing a friggin scv rush 3 times in a row in the first 3 minutes of the game



Lets say we are in a dick waving competition. And I was sick at dick waving. My dick is waved at a frequency double the amount of my competitor. The trajectory was a perfect oval, the speed was blazing, and I won the dick waving contest. Despite my win, here you are saying "well look this other guy, he had a much bigger dick." Well that is wonderful, I'm sure his wife is absolutely ecstatic about his abnormally large dick, and it would make for many entertaining nights. In fact, I bet his wife would be much happier than my wife. But you know what? I was waving my dick like no other and I won the dick waving contest.
We talkin about PRACTICE
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
May 07 2011 22:32 GMT
#87

sigh, people legitimately arguing that scv all-ins takes skill makes me worried about the future of sc2




guess Boxer didn't deserve to beat Yellow then, huh?
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
May 07 2011 22:36 GMT
#88

Lets say we are in a dick waving competition. And I was sick at dick waving. My dick is waved at a frequency double the amount of my competitor. The trajectory was a perfect oval, the speed was blazing, and I won the dick waving contest. Despite my win, here you are saying "well look this other guy, he had a much bigger dick." Well that is wonderful, I'm sure his wife is absolutely ecstatic about his abnormally large dick, and it would make for many entertaining nights. In fact, I bet his wife would be much happier than my wife. But you know what? I was waving my dick like no other and I won the dick waving contest.


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He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
Brandish
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States339 Posts
May 07 2011 22:36 GMT
#89
This was basically a repeat of season 2 finals lol

MKP marine scv all in
Nestea figuring out how to hold it off
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
May 07 2011 22:36 GMT
#90
lol CocoShoo!
#TeamBuLba
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
May 07 2011 22:38 GMT
#91
Wow there's really this kind of air around oGs's protosses.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 22:41:21
May 07 2011 22:40 GMT
#92
On May 08 2011 07:32 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +

sigh, people legitimately arguing that scv all-ins takes skill makes me worried about the future of sc2

+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jen46qkZVNI

guess Boxer didn't deserve to beat Yellow then, huh?

so let me get this straight

if rain scv rushed his way through an entire tournament (which he did except in the finals against MC where he got stomped by the infinitely better player) and ended up winning he would be a legitimate champion and considered the greatest player of that season?

I'm sure all of us are eagerly anticipating the return of bitbybit
doihy
Profile Joined August 2010
668 Posts
May 07 2011 22:43 GMT
#93
On May 08 2011 07:32 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +

sigh, people legitimately arguing that scv all-ins takes skill makes me worried about the future of sc2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jen46qkZVNI

guess Boxer didn't deserve to beat Yellow then, huh?


That's a different game, plus boxer's been cheesing before it was cool.
Obaten
Profile Joined December 2010
United States730 Posts
May 07 2011 22:48 GMT
#94
On May 08 2011 07:31 mprs wrote:
Lets say we are in a dick waving competition. And I was sick at dick waving. My dick is waved at a frequency double the amount of my competitor. The trajectory was a perfect oval, the speed was blazing, and I won the dick waving contest. Despite my win, here you are saying "well look this other guy, he had a much bigger dick." Well that is wonderful, I'm sure his wife is absolutely ecstatic about his abnormally large dick, and it would make for many entertaining nights. In fact, I bet his wife would be much happier than my wife. But you know what? I was waving my dick like no other and I won the dick waving contest.


wohoho oh my god this is the greatest post I've ever read.
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 07 2011 22:55 GMT
#95
On May 08 2011 07:32 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +

sigh, people legitimately arguing that scv all-ins takes skill makes me worried about the future of sc2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jen46qkZVNI

guess Boxer didn't deserve to beat Yellow then, huh?

come on man, that is BW. it was actually hard to "scv all in" in BW... pretty sure thats the only scv marine rush ever because BBS is just better and just as all in
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
izgodlee
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada133 Posts
May 07 2011 22:58 GMT
#96
On May 08 2011 05:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 05:40 mprs wrote:
On May 08 2011 05:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:
so Rain and bitbybit were great players when they made their runs?


Are you implying that Rain and Bitbybit didn't use a strategy to beat their opponents?

They did beat some players using their strategy. They won. Won.

Now the OTHER players got better, and you can see why we don't see so much SCV all ins and 2-base all ins. Because the players GOT BETTER.

Nestea wasn't better than Rain when he lost to him. He was better after when he learned how to deal with his strategy. Its almost like no one in TL has every competed. How the hell do we establish skill in something if its not by who wins and who loses?

rofl you've got to be joking or trolling because that's honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever read

Rain was better than nestea for abusing a strategy that literally took no skill to pull off? how do we establish skill? It's obvious, when you win straight up without doing a friggin scv rush 3 times in a row in the first 3 minutes of the game



nestea is just as bad for LOSING to the SAME SHIT 3 times in a ROW you fucking moron.

User was temp banned for this post.
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
May 07 2011 23:00 GMT
#97
so let me get this straight

if rain scv rushed his way through an entire tournament (which he did except in the finals against MC where he got stomped by the infinitely better player) and ended up winning he would be a legitimate champion and considered the greatest player of that season?

I'm sure all of us are eagerly anticipating the return of bitbybit


It would suck for spectators. But yes, if Rain won the tournament, and didn't cheat or break the rules of the tournament, then he would have been the best player of the tournament.


That's a different game, plus boxer's been cheesing before it was cool.


Boxer didn't invent cheese, or the SCV rush for that matter, and who cares if its a different games, its the exact same principle--it takes virtually no mechanical skill, just the saavy/balls/luck to go for it at the right time.

come on man, that is BW. it was actually hard to "scv all in" in BW... pretty sure thats the only scv marine rush ever because BBS is just better and just as all in


No, it really wasn't. Literally anyone in the world could practice for like 3 hours and execute an scv rush or a bunker rush. BW may have been harder in many respects than SC2, but pulling off incredibly simplistic early game cheese was not one of those respects.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 23:03:37
May 07 2011 23:03 GMT
#98
I mean, what if a terran player, who did some 1 base allin every single game, and it worked. He won everything he competed in. He never lost a game, yet he still used an all in every single time. Be it 2 rax pull yo scv's, 7 rax marine, proxy raxes. None of his games ever made it to two bases. He would by far be the most succesful player, being undefeated in a BoX. Yet somehow I suspect people would still believe Idra was more skilled. That baffles me.

Also people saying it takes no skill to 2 rax allin, why on earth arent you demolishing every single zeg with it? Make GM league consist of 150 terran and 50 protoss, zergs could barely get to masters. Since everyone and their mom can 2 rax allin and win. Now that's not really true is it?

Edit: Also go Inca! My PvP hero!
really?
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 23:07:29
May 07 2011 23:04 GMT
#99
On May 08 2011 08:00 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +
No, it really wasn't. Literally anyone in the world could practice for like 3 hours and execute an scv rush or a bunker rush. BW may have been harder in many respects than SC2, but pulling off incredibly simplistic early game cheese was not one of those respects.

so your point is even more worthless than ever? it takes 1-2 games to practice this all in in SC2, practicing for 3 hours is hard relative to that (which is obviously what i'm talking about)

point is its way more risky in BW, so it is a bad strategy anyway.

Also the person you quote in response with that video actually agrees with you and I, so what are you even talking about?
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
May 07 2011 23:09 GMT
#100
I think I'm about to have an aneurysm.

Boxer's SCV rush worked because it was UNEXPECTED. It worked 3 times because it was unexpected 3 times. The reason why it was cool is because SCV all-ins are BAD if they are even in the opponent's head. In BW, EVERYONE was good enough to stop SCV all-ins, so it was considered "hard".

Rain won because people WERE NOT good enough to stop his all-ins. He was better than them. Once they learned how to deal with all-ins, they became rarer because it was a loss most of the time. Why did Inca's work? Because like Yellow, Nada was not expecting an all-in because his practice vs Inca was macro games. So Inca prepared 4 all-ins, like Boxer, because he knew that Nada would not expect it, like Yellow.

The better the players become, the weaker all-ins become. Nada lost because he was not good enough to win. Inca looked at his strategic options and chose the best course of action, and it worked beautifully.
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