EPT[Int] GSL Code S Semifinal Winners - Page 4
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On May 08 2011 04:47 Voltaire wrote: He won, therefore making him a great player. If Nestea won the finals only with 6 pools it would still make him a better player. really that just means he yes, "won the series" like Rain "won the series" against NesTea in Open Season 3. That doesn't have any barring or weight on whether he's the absolute _better_ or _greater_ player (at least imo so. Whatever.) | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On May 08 2011 02:27 ch33psh33p wrote: Lol, 4 all ins for a best of five, and people are still calling this guy a great player? He flat out admitted he was going to cheese out Nada, no matter what. 1 game or 2 in a Bo5 is fine, but 4?! Dude, he said he was playing to Nada's style which was 100% accurate. 1 Rax FE every single game? He deserves every all in he gets. | ||
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DrustX
United States11 Posts
Also he was playing against his teammate so NaDa probably knew how to counter his standard play, he simply made smart decisions with the metagame in mind and it payed off. In game 3 NaDa was straight up outplayed. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On May 08 2011 05:04 Itsmedudeman wrote: so Rain and bitbybit were great players when they made their runs? Rain is still a great player. Keep in mind he almost removed Inca and has beaten some top level players (Note: NESTEA) despite relying almost completely on 2 base pushes or all ins. He is good at what he does. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
I agree that InCa's FF/Archon/Storm army was pretty sexy in the last game. | ||
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BoxersGosuGarden
Philippines155 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 08 2011 05:11 Figgy wrote: Rain is still a great player. Keep in mind he almost removed Inca and has beaten some top level players (Note: NESTEA) despite relying almost completely on 2 base pushes or all ins. He is good at what he does. lol, did you even watch him play against nestea? EVERY single one of his wins were from scv all-ins, shut up he's not good and inca was very lucky to get this far himself Rain is a joke right now and should be in code A, no surprise MVP picked him for an easy win | ||
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4of8
Germany256 Posts
But I think it will be not so easy to fool Nestea, so I think he will remember his earlier past and will go for some macro games at least. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On May 08 2011 02:48 Sc2ttyl wrote: just goes to show the differences between BW and SC2... Nada would have never lost to cheeses in a bo5 in BW, but you know in sc2 its totally viable, even on huge maps... Makes me rage that the better player (by far 100%) lost and the cheeser got in. I guess it represents sc2 well though because a cheeser/protoss player got in finals. Terran is very bad right now in most peoples opinion. I just got done watching Mondy stream vs Kas, and Kas just said that its ridiculous how a good zerg completly owns a terran. People QQ terran op only cause of 2 rax. On big maps its almost a free win for zerg. The better player of SC2 won. I hate this line of thinking OAHGOGEHOEWHGOEAHGEHGGE NADA WAS SICK IN BW NOW HE LOSES THEREFORE GAME SUCKS. No, hes playing SC2 not BW. It doesn't fucking matter how good you were in some other game. Just because they start with the same words, doesn't make it the same game. The WINNER is the BETTER PLAYER. Sure people could have off days and what not. But today/yesterday, the better player was INCA. INCA INCA INCA. MVP or MMA or Bomber probably wouldn't have lost to the cheeses. Inca knows Nada's play style and designed a game plan accordingly that will give him the best chance to win. He won. Thats it. Also I don't understand how the whole TvZ thing relays here. It was a TvP. Not to mention we just had a TvT Code A finals (i think top 4 were T) and a TvT + PvP semis in the TSL. Code S had a TvP and a TvZ semis. Yeah, Terran really struggling. Poor Terran. | ||
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iSometric
2221 Posts
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YoungNeil
Canada328 Posts
On May 08 2011 05:11 Figgy wrote: Rain is still a great player. Keep in mind he almost removed Inca and has beaten some top level players (Note: NESTEA) despite relying almost completely on 2 base pushes or all ins. He is good at what he does. I understand what you're saying, but Rain is honestly not that good at what he does. Did you see his game vs. July in this GSL? He just did a really uninspiring, far-too-late all-in that managed to do almost nothing to July and completely destroy his chances of transitioning out. It was terribly planned and terribly executed. Maybe he was better back in GSL3 (I haven't seen his games from then), but I have no doubt that NesTea would 3-0 him now with the kind of play he showed against July. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On May 08 2011 05:04 Itsmedudeman wrote: so Rain and bitbybit were great players when they made their runs? Are you implying that Rain and Bitbybit didn't use a strategy to beat their opponents? They did beat some players using their strategy. They won. Won. Now the OTHER players got better, and you can see why we don't see so much SCV all ins and 2-base all ins. Because the players GOT BETTER. Nestea wasn't better than Rain when he lost to him. He was better after when he learned how to deal with his strategy. Its almost like no one in TL has every competed. How the hell do we establish skill in something if its not by who wins and who loses? | ||
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
I saw that Cocoshoo was cheering on sC so I was really happy about that. I hope she cheers on Inca in the finals. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 08 2011 05:40 mprs wrote: Are you implying that Rain and Bitbybit didn't use a strategy to beat their opponents? They did beat some players using their strategy. They won. Won. Now the OTHER players got better, and you can see why we don't see so much SCV all ins and 2-base all ins. Because the players GOT BETTER. Nestea wasn't better than Rain when he lost to him. He was better after when he learned how to deal with his strategy. Its almost like no one in TL has every competed. How the hell do we establish skill in something if its not by who wins and who loses? rofl you've got to be joking or trolling because that's honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever read Rain was better than nestea for abusing a strategy that literally took no skill to pull off? how do we establish skill? It's obvious, when you win straight up without doing a friggin scv rush 3 times in a row in the first 3 minutes of the game | ||
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Toads
Canada1795 Posts
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aoe2fan
Sweden700 Posts
On May 08 2011 05:53 Itsmedudeman wrote: rofl you've got to be joking or trolling because that's honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever read Rain was better than nestea for abusing a strategy that literally took no skill to pull off? how do we establish skill? It's obvious, when you win straight up without doing a friggin scv rush 3 times in a row in the first 3 minutes of the game He was definetly better than nestea that day. If they played by your 10 min no rush rules Nestea might have won but they didnt. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
Rain was better than nestea for abusing a strategy that literally took no skill to pull off? how do we establish skill? It's obvious, when you win straight up without doing a friggin scv rush 3 times in a row in the first 3 minutes of the game So when Boxer just bunker rushed Yellow over and over again, clearly that meant he had no skill, right? Or when he just did an SCV all-in to take a finals? Or what about Jaedong 4 pooling? If you can't stop cheese, you deserve to lose to cheese. If you lose, you were the worse player that day. Anything else, and you get into IdrA-esque idiocy, arguing that skill is somehow independent of record. Go IncA. Keep all-inning until it stops working. If your opponents aren't good enough to stop you, that's on them. | ||
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