I like the show, however I have to say, that the last one had a very shallow content and too much focus on user questions (which are understandably quite funny... but still). I would love too see more depth, as there are 3 progamers co-hosting the show. Seems like a missed opportunity to just have them answer the same user questions week after week.

FFenix

Canada23 Posts

May 26 2011 22:34 GMT

#347

Hi djwheat,

To All 3 Pros

Question : "Since it it very standard for protoss to amass many sentries to FE vs. terran and zerg, why don't they invest in hallucinations for other purposes other than scouting?"

I find you can be so tricky with them and punish for lack of detection. You get 6-8 sentries anyway, so it doesn't hurt to burn 100 energy to do some mind games.

Eg: 1 Hallu =4x probes (fake probe transfer)
1 Hallu=2x zealots or 2x stalkers (mix into the army or send to enemy expo to split enemy army size)
1 Hallu Void Ray to fake stargate tech(doesn't attack on move so can't tell it's fake until it reaches the base and forces defense)
1 Hallu = 2x High templar (force EMPs)
Fact: EMPs only do 100 shield dmg instead of 200 as you would think they would take double as hallus.

Why don't protoss use it more often on full EN sentries?
Won't it force zerg to build more overseers?
Won't it force a lot of unnecessary scans/EMPs?

Sorry for the long question! I know sentries was touched upon the last two weeks, but incontrol just blew it away last week saying you don't get x2 like in broodwar, but in fact some units you get multiple (correct me if I'm wrong XD).

Thanks

lim1017

Canada1278 Posts

May 26 2011 23:19 GMT

#348

trying to download off itunes but its taking over 25 min for the latest episode...

Bananasword01

Australia220 Posts

May 27 2011 05:59 GMT

#349

How do I download the mp3 only.. Every time I try to download I have to get the video stream. Please help.

Carson

Canada820 Posts

May 27 2011 06:13 GMT

#350

The download is atrociously slow, and I can't do it from my cell. But it streams fine, so THANKS

Zax19

Czech Republic1136 Posts

May 27 2011 06:52 GMT

#351

Hi, just a quick note on the upgrade question (atttack vs. armour) - In PvT if protoss uses phoenixes to soak up the viking damage it's more effective to upgrade viking armour than weapons. Also Thorzain's thor strategy revolved around high armour + high effective dps from the strike cannon.

But don't get me wrong, I agree mutas are "attack and get out" unit, armouring them is not that effective.

Oboeman

Canada3980 Posts

May 28 2011 04:22 GMT

#352

Hey guys, thanks for taking the time to answer my long-winded question about mutalisk air upgrades (I finally got around to listening).

I used the unit tester to check how the upgrade affected the bounce (I didn't realize it rounds up, and yes it does). If there is any armour present on the target, the last bounce will always be 1 damage regardless of upgrade.
+0: 9/3/1
+1: 10/4/2
+2: 11/4/2
+3: 12/4/2

That's a big point in favour of getting +1 attack, but not really +2. This kind of helps explain why in GSTL, MVP_dongraegu always went 0/1 or 1/1 on his mutas, but not 2/0.

The big thing though, in my opinion, is that I feel if there is any engagement where the mutalisks take damage, having the armour upgrades means you'll have more mutalisks at all times (I guess Idra is good at avoiding these, or feels that armour doesn't make a big difference). When you can stack the mutalisks, more mutas directly translates into more damage, but with thors around, you can't safely stack them (and armour is completely insignificant against thors). Thors become your worst enemy, but you can still laugh at turrets and shrug off upgraded marines, whereas unarmoured mutas have a tendency to disappear.

I'd also like to add that since Tuesday's show, Leenock played a game in GSL Supertournament against TSL_alive, and Game 1 (free vod, for anyone curious) showcases his mutalisk carapace play. I'm wondering if anyone has further comments about that after seeing it in action. It's a style difference, Idra has no intention of using the mutalisks to fight marines, and leenock does.
+ Show Spoiler +

and he'll be facing another terran, Clide, in Ro32, so we may see more of this mutalisk carapace action

I think that a lot of players on the pro scene seem to be using mutalisks in the same way that Leenock does (maybe out of necessity), but still go for 2/0 upgrades, and that is what sparked my question.

So I'll just have to play around between those two styles and see how things feel!

L3g3nd_

New Zealand10461 Posts

May 31 2011 15:23 GMT

#353

this is the new sotg for me. idra and geoff! woot!

MorNin

United States443 Posts

May 31 2011 15:26 GMT

#354

On June 01 2011 00:23 L3g3nd_ wrote:
this is the new sotg for me. idra and geoff! woot!

Not Even close.....

CursedRich

United Kingdom737 Posts

May 31 2011 15:43 GMT

#355

Im actually getting way over-saturated with Inc on every show, there are many more personalities in the game and would rather listen to other pro's opinions for a change, get some guests in from Europe and or other NA players

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

May 31 2011 19:24 GMT

#356

why would you come into a thread about a show I do and say you listen to me too much?

Sorry I talk so much about the game dude. Please go away now.

DIRTYDIEGO

3 Posts

May 31 2011 21:32 GMT

#357

There can never be too much incontrol. NEVER!

guitarizt

United States1492 Posts

May 31 2011 22:31 GMT

#358

Back in beta when zergs were having trouble against mech and especially thors with muta, I found that in unit tester I would have better results going for +1 armour instead of +1 attack. This was before magic boxing though. Now I think I like +1 attack better because it's cheaper, and if I don't intend on taking damage but I want to deal damage with them so +1 attack makes more sense. I think this is pretty much what idra's been saying all along.

ImHuko

United States996 Posts

May 31 2011 23:05 GMT

#359

Always love my weekly unbias'd podcast. Even though there is 2 zergs, but atleast there isn't 4 protoss!

RoboSnail

United States59 Posts

May 31 2011 23:14 GMT

#360

On May 26 2011 12:21 Voltaire wrote:
For some reason the link to May 24th's episode ain't in here:

http://blip.tv/insidethegame/inside-the-game-e04-5-24-2011-5202625

Thank you for this, I've been waiting for the next episode and I was not sure if it was out yet.