EPT[Show] Inside The Game - Official Thread - Page 17
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
1oo
Portugal876 Posts
| ||
|
Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
| ||
|
Zerglings.NA
United States44 Posts
On May 25 2011 09:45 Froadac wrote: Darnit. Called all episode and didn't get in. I shall send an email, and try again next week  I expected the same, I didn't have a question ready, got in after 2 rings and was like oh crap think of how to phrase the question. Edit: stop changing my post thanks! The question was the one about day9 and Idra's "no safe build for zerg". I personally think zerg would be OP because like I said (however poorly worded off the top of my head) zerg is a reactionary risk vs reward race. If zerg new exactly what structures to build and how much they could drone they would never lose. Other races are pretty much constantly making 1 probe, sorry you have to decide if you should make 3 drones or not :p It shouldn't have a clear cut answer or you could just blast ahead and drone (at a faster rate) until the last second possible. At least I learned one thing. Whenever I heard someone complaining about zerg scouting I was always like, how is zerg scouting worse than protoss? Cheapest scout units, overlords, creep, overseers off lair, and changelings. Observers forces protoss to get robo, so clearly zerg has better scouting options. It's not that they aren't good at scouting (as Idra pointed out for me), its they require more scouting info to make their decisions because they don't have a "safe" build. So the whole "zerg needs better scouting options" is based on the assertion that zerg doesn't have a "safe" build, but since I don't agree with the first statement that's why I disagree with him. It's not that they don't actually have viable scouting options. | ||
|
Froadac
United States6733 Posts
| ||
|
Coolwhip
927 Posts
On May 25 2011 09:55 1oo wrote: I love this kind of shows, but the problem really is having it on the same day as SOTG. I know its because its their free day, but hey, why not get some new blood? maybe that way u can do it in other time, speaking for myself its getting pretty annoying of watching incontrol and idra everywhere tbh, Indeed. I vote for fresh blood too. | ||
|
corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
It shouldn't have a clear cut answer or you could just blast ahead and drone (at a faster rate) until the last second possible. IdrA would agree with you on that point, his issue is that it feels like a guessing game whether to drone or not. I don't know if you play Zerg or not, but trust me, it isn't fun when someone denies all your attempts to scout and you just have to guess what they're about to throw at you and you happen to be wrong. Protoss and Terran have to worry much less about having anti-air up because of stalkers and marines, and it's arguably less costly to get detection blind (lots of Protoss builds get an obs up in time for banshees/burrow roach whether it's coming or not). You can also generally hold most straight-up aggression (stim/gateway/roachling pushes) with "safe" openings like 2rax/3gate/2gate robo, whereas Zerg has to know how many units they need to make. Of course, Protoss and Terran absolutely can and do die to early aggression/harass, but they have a much easier time dealing with it blind, whereas Zerg will simply die without that early scout unless they're lucky, and that's IdrA's complaint. At least I learned one thing. Whenever I heard someone complaining about zerg scouting I was always like, how is zerg scouting worse than protoss? Cheapest scout units, overlords, creep, overseers off lair, and changelings. Observers forces protoss to get robo, so clearly zerg has better scouting options. It's not that they aren't good at scouting (as Idra pointed out for me), its they require more scouting info to make their decisions because they don't have a "safe" build. So the whole "zerg needs better scouting options" is based on the assertion that zerg doesn't have a "safe" build, but since I don't agree with the first statement that's why I disagree with him. It's not that they don't actually have viable scouting options Listen to the SotG discussion again. IdrA was specifically addressing the early game scouting options, he agreed that the mid-late game scouting options for Zerg are fine. Your only real options early-game are slowverlords, zerglings, and drones, all of which can be fairly easily denied by a good player. | ||
|
Qlud
Denmark10 Posts
I would love to hear itg before sotg, if some of the discussions should carry over. Great work, keep it up! | ||
|
xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
On May 25 2011 17:13 Qlud wrote: Where is my VOD/mp3/itunes link? I would love to hear itg before sotg, if some of the discussions should carry over. Great work, keep it up! http://onemoregame.tv/index.php/component/k2/item/121-you-wanted-vod-feeds-and-mp3.html There you go mate  | ||
|
Qlud
Denmark10 Posts
On May 25 2011 17:59 poofie wrote: http://onemoregame.tv/index.php/component/k2/item/121-you-wanted-vod-feeds-and-mp3.html There you go mate Thanks, I still cant find the mp3 edition... but the VODs will do | ||
|
Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On May 25 2011 10:07 Zerglings.NA wrote: I expected the same, I didn't have a question, got in after 2 rings and was like oh crap think of question!! What the fuck? Why ring if you don't have a question? It's there so that if you have a question, and need an answer, you ring. You don't decide you want to ring in, start calling, then think of a question. You're just wasting their time, the listeners time, and reducing the amount of good, useful questions in the show. | ||
|
Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
On May 25 2011 20:18 Deadeight wrote: What the fuck? Why ring if you don't have a question? It's there so that if you have a question, and need an answer, you ring. You don't decide you want to ring in, start calling, then think of a question. You're just wasting their time, the listeners time, and reducing the amount of good, useful questions in the show. Have to agree with this, It'll also make you look stupid and waste a calling slot that may have gone to someone with a really good question for the hosts. | ||
|
HALLUcareface
Denmark12 Posts
| ||
|
Shadowlash
Denmark30 Posts
| ||
|
YourMom
Romania565 Posts
| ||
|
corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On May 25 2011 23:07 YourMom wrote: Ok so I listened to ep3 until I heard Painuser say guardian shield effects zerglings attacks. "Chitinous Plating for whole toss army" he says when in fact guardian shield only affects incoming ranged damage. Terran only has ranged units (besides SCVs), so he probably just doesn't think about it. Yes, it's a mistake, but it's not like it's a huge gap in his knowledge that invalidates his opinions as a pro player. It is "Chitinous Plating for the whole toss army" in TvP, which is the matchup he thinks about most. | ||
|
Zerglings.NA
United States44 Posts
On May 25 2011 20:18 Deadeight wrote: What the fuck? Why ring if you don't have a question? You mad bro? I was thinking of how to phrase the quesiton while I called I didn't expect him to pick up on the second ring. And by ring I mean the sound, not i tried calling him twice. And to the other person, if zerg had any way of scouting that let you know if they were going all in or not, you would know exactly how much you could drone before switching your larvae pops from drones to other stuff. You can't have the info of knowing they are going 4 gate for example without know how much you can drone and then win every game. | ||
|
Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On May 25 2011 10:07 Zerglings.NA wrote: I expected the same, I didn't have a question ready, got in after 2 rings and was like oh crap think of question!! On May 26 2011 00:27 Zerglings.NA wrote: I was thinking of how to phrase the quesiton while I called I didn't expect him to pick up on the second ring. And by ring I mean the sound, not i tried calling him twice. You didn't say phrasing your question, you said think of a question. | ||
|
Ohdamn
Germany765 Posts
On May 25 2011 22:47 Shadowlash wrote: i think incontrol mentioned this show as one of the reasons he quit state of the game, i find that sad because i like both shows, maybe he will also quit this one in time... which is very very sad.. of course both shows are awesome but i just like sotg more.. it just shows that they get paid for inside the game with their and for me it kinda feels like dj wheat took us incontrol away of course you can't blame inc for that..but it's just very sad so yeah..totally agree that 3 completely new hosts would have been the better choice for ITG but now it's too late anyways lol | ||
|
Zerglings.NA
United States44 Posts
On May 26 2011 01:10 Deadeight wrote: You didn't say phrasing your question, you said think of a question. Because you're not quoting me right? Anyway I'm done responding to all the BM 12 year olds that they didn't get a chance to yell at Idra. | ||
|
moNsi
Norway71 Posts
 ![[image loading]](http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/5733/insidethegame.jpg) | ||
| ||
