EPTSome comments here of people who never played bw are so redicilous. To those people you have no clue what you are talking about.
MC: "[Flash] would definitely do well in SC2" - Page 22
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skinnyrl
Netherlands125 Posts
Some comments here of people who never played bw are so redicilous. To those people you have no clue what you are talking about. | ||
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Garmer
1286 Posts
On May 02 2011 06:15 Drowsy wrote: Flash/Jaedong would dominate sc2 of course, but not because their sc1 skills would carryover so well they'd instantly dominate. The reason they would do so well is work ethic. That's probably the reason they succeeded for so long in sc2; just crazy persistence and discipline. Practicing 12+ hours/day for several months to become a champion is an accomplishment, but its something many people are probably capable of if the motivation is there. Doing it for years, ignoring distractions, and avoiding slump-inducing activities is what takes absolutely amazing dedication and separates Flash/JD from the Nada/ooV/Savior/Chojja types. yeah sure because boxer had not dedication , rotfl he play for like ten years, flash only for 5... On May 02 2011 07:30 skinnyrl wrote: i play starcraft 2 and still play bw left and here. Some comments here of people who never played bw are so redicilous. To those people you have no clue what you are talking about. i have played bw more then you(i played it until end of 2007(from 2000)) and i have reached b-. | ||
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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
On May 02 2011 05:40 blackone wrote: And SC1 was developed to encourage Korean progamers to play it 12 hours a day and provide macro matches with insane amounts of multitasking? (Hint: No.) Can't believe some people argue against the fact that SC2 was made for easier play. For one thing, among many things, is decreased difficulty to macro. Worker auto-mining, scv auto-repair, ability to select multiple production buildings for production/WP setting, etc. in BW, to play at top level, one must be able to have high enough apm to do proper macro, as well as microing and making proper game decisions. In SC2, any normal Joe can macro properly with ease. There's no doubt there's decreased skill ceiling and gap between top players and avg players. In BW, u wouldn't expect to see Flash losing to an average progamer. Maybe he would lose one game out of a hundred. If he's to transfer to SC2, I would expect Flash to lose to average players from time to time, just cause the game isn't as competitive in nature as BW. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On April 30 2011 10:54 1oo wrote: Beeing the best doesnt mean beeing perfect.. does it ? He isn't the best though... I'm interested to see how the Patch 1.33 changes will effect MC's play as a lot of his attacks are 1/2 base timing attacks such as the 6 gate or variations of the 4 gate. Also, it's so early in StarCraft 2 that it's hard to say definitively that there is a best player. However, I think you can say it for match-ups. For example, Mvp has the best TvT, Nestea has the best ZvZ, you could argue that MC has the best PvP (PvP is a joke of a match-up at the moment. Then you could say the best TvZ is players like Mvp again and the best PvZ is players like san or MC. But I mean both Mvp and MC (the two best players in the world in my opinion) both have weak match-ups (TvP and PvT respectively). OT: Flash = Deep Blue of StarCraft. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
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gNs.I-Jasa
United States211 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On May 02 2011 07:56 gNs.I-Jasa wrote: its like saying michael jordan would be a great soccer player. of course he would be but it will take some time. I don't think that's a very good comparison. The fundamentals of SCII are the same as BW... not so with soccer and basketball. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
On May 02 2011 07:56 gNs.I-Jasa wrote: its like saying michael jordan would be a great soccer player. of course he would be but it will take some time. ... From a hand-oriented game to a feet-oriented game. Besides did you forget the time he played baseball? | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On May 02 2011 07:31 Garmer wrote: yeah sure because boxer had not dedication , rotfl he play for like ten years, flash only for 5... i have played bw more then you(i played it until end of 2007(from 2000)) and i have reached b-. Boxer was only consistent for 2-3 of those years, and in his prime, the competition was relatively worse. The game just wasn't played at as high of a level as it is now, Flash's dominance is far more impressive, and I guarantee he puts in more hours now than Boxer put in during his reign. | ||
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Indrium
United States2236 Posts
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
On May 02 2011 07:56 gNs.I-Jasa wrote: its like saying michael jordan would be a great soccer player. of course he would be but it will take some time. He tried playing baseball after his basketball career right? And was terrible at it? | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On May 02 2011 06:15 antelope591 wrote: Any S class player like Flash or JD would be at the top with 1 month of practice max....[He'd] compete with any current top player in 2 weeks max. Anyone thinking otherwise clearly doesnt follow the BW pro scene Statements like these make me laugh. BW elitists shouldn't pretend to be able to predict the future. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5887 Posts
On May 02 2011 14:31 Doodsmack wrote: Statements like these make me laugh. BW elitists shouldn't pretend to be able to predict the future. You seriously have no idea how talented and good at RTS Flash is. To give you an idea: 1. NaDa played an even match against TLO after having played the game for 1-2 weeks, and he was a borderline A-team player at that time. 2. SC2 is currently dominated by former BW progaming scrubs. 3. The BW progaming scene is much more competitive than any other RTS game. Qualifying for BW leagues (MSL, OSL) is harder than winning major tournaments in other RTS games. 4. Flash is the best BW player of all time, both skill wise and talent wise. He got his progaming license after a month of training, FFS, on his first attempt. It took the second best player ten tries. Flash has dominated the said scene for years, winning several titles last year. If you think Flash wouldn't be at the very top of SC2 after merely a couple of weeks of training you're deluding yourself, tbh. Honestly, what are your reasons for thinking otherwise? Have you ever seen Flash play? Have you ever watched BW games? The games are similar enough that former BW progamers dominate the Korean scene. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 02 2011 17:08 maybenexttime wrote: You seriously have no idea how talented and good at RTS Flash is. To give you an idea: 1. NaDa played an even match against TLO after having played the game for 1-2 weeks, and he was a borderline A-team player at that time. 2. SC2 is currently dominated by former BW progaming scrubs. 3. The BW progaming scene is much more competitive than any other RTS game. Qualifying for BW leagues (MSL, OSL) is harder than winning major tournaments in other RTS games. 4. Flash is the best BW player of all time, both skill wise and talent wise. He got his progaming license after a month of training, FFS, on his first attempt. It took the second best player ten tries. Flash has dominated the said scene for years, winning several titles last year. If you think Flash wouldn't be at the very top of SC2 after merely a couple of weeks of training you're deluding yourself, tbh. Honestly, what are your reasons for thinking otherwise? Have you ever seen Flash play? Have you ever watched BW games? The games are similar enough that former BW progamers dominate the Korean scene. I agree with most but saying Flash is the best BW player of all time ^_^. too be fair though I do think it would take Jaedong/Flash more then 2 weeks too get at "top" level. Its a whole new game with a lot of different shit, I could see it taking a month about too be able to play at high level. | ||
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JesusOurSaviour
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On May 02 2011 14:31 Doodsmack wrote: Statements like these make me laugh. BW elitists shouldn't pretend to be able to predict the future. Lemme guess. You've never played BW, or just played Fastest possible or UMS in BW You obviously haven't explored TLPD enough, because I'm pretty sure watching any of the VODS of Flash, Jaedong, Bisu and Stork in the last 2 years, will have shown you how INCREDIBLE they are  FYI, MVP is like a borderline A teamer, who had a sub-par winning ratio in BW. People give him a lot of credit because he IS the best to switch over so far, and he took a game off Flash (the 48 minute EPIC T v T). So yea - if a borderline A teamer can rip up SCII, then I don't know what the current "gods" of BW are going to do if they switch over. Grandmasters in 1 month is a conservative estimate. GSL Code A in 1-2 qualifiers is expected. However, the game is still young and all the timings / strategies haven't been explored, which makes some games a coin-flick at times unfortunately. That said, S-classers lile Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Stork; even A-teamers like calm, zero, shine (zerg), stats, best, (protoss) and Fantasy, Mind, Leta, Light, Baby (Terran) would hit the top of SCII in no time. | ||
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Keone
United States812 Posts
On May 02 2011 14:31 Doodsmack wrote: Statements like these make me laugh. BW elitists shouldn't pretend to be able to predict the future. Statements like these make me laugh. Kids who don't understand BW shouldn't pretend to be able to understand the past. Just in case you didn't understand that (I somehow doubt it): past data shows SC2 is dominated by ex-BW pros, and the most skilled ex-BW pros at the time of SC2 release (e.g. MC, MVP etc.) have shown a positive correlation between BW skill with SC2 success. Thus, we use past data to try and predict the future. Which is miles better than NOT using past data and predicting the future, which is what a ton of SC2-only noobs are trying to do. | ||
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