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Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 20:51:55
May 01 2011 20:51 GMT
#401
The fact that WeMade is a kespa member and that kespa apparently does not want its members involved in SC2 at all is what concerns me there more than any kespa-sanctioned WC3 competitions. I just find it inconsistent that they let WeMade have an SC2 team but they supposedly(key word) wouldn't let SKT sponsor a GSL.
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R3N
Profile Joined March 2011
740 Posts
May 01 2011 20:54 GMT
#402
On May 02 2011 05:39 Turgid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 05:36 Blasphemi wrote:
DoomsVille wrote:
Because SC2 was developed specifically to lower the skill ceiling and encourage 1-base play. it'll take a drastic shift in developer philosophy with the expansions to change this.


Pure speculation. There's been loads of great macro games recently and it seems to me like there's less and less one base games now than six months ago. Blizzard removing maps like Steppes from the pool and adding Taldarim suggests they're encouraging longer and macro based games.

Well, it seems that the game was designed to be "faster". I think there were interviews about that and you can see some aspects of the game design encourage shorter games(for instance expansions aren't as good in many situations because of the way mineral saturation works). The community kinda rebelled against it and the map changes were made as a result of that, but it's hard to say how far they're willing to go.


Funny how they also design 1 of the three races being crippled in those small maps. And most of the map pool is still medium-small and not large. And finally another race is also weak but in larger maps so what a fail design lol...

I wish they fire that lead designer dude.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
May 01 2011 20:54 GMT
#403
On May 02 2011 05:19 starsucks wrote:
Flash absolutely has the potential to do well in SC2. With some training he could get diamond after a week and maybe even masters after a month with hard training.


lol that's the cutest comment I've seen in a while.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Morale
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1010 Posts
May 01 2011 20:58 GMT
#404
On May 02 2011 05:54 AndAgain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 05:19 starsucks wrote:
Flash absolutely has the potential to do well in SC2. With some training he could get diamond after a week and maybe even masters after a month with hard training.


lol that's the cutest comment I've seen in a while.


I smell troll? He'd be owning the top 5 sc2 players within 1 monthXD
Niruz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden169 Posts
May 01 2011 21:08 GMT
#405
On May 02 2011 05:30 eggs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 05:19 Blasphemi wrote:
DoomsVille wrote:
Not as much as they dominate BW because the skill ceiling here is much lower. But they will both be awesome SC2 players.


Really presumptious statement. The skill required to be number one in BW a year in was exponentially lower than the skill possessed by Jaedong/Flash now. Why would you presume the same won't happen in SC2? There's no player in the world right now with flawless macro or even close, as the players practice more and more eventually people will get closer to that level of perfection and the skill cap rises.

For me every single current Code S player (yes even Rain) would easilly win the GSL Open 1 which Fruitdealer won, the standard has already improved massively, and we've only had one year, let's see where the standard is in five years.


because SC2 was developed specifically to lower the skill ceiling and encourage 1-base play. it'll take a drastic shift in developer philosophy with the expansions to change this.

1-base play may have been encouraged in GSL season 1 beacuse everyone was bad, but any 1basing player as of now is completely reliant on a cheese timing push to win, and most if not all can be held easily
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 21:10:27
May 01 2011 21:08 GMT
#406
On May 02 2011 05:12 Niruz wrote:
Just how the hell does kespa keep players in their grasp anyway? It's just a game thats not made by them, how can they be in a position to tell anyone they cant play it competitively? Someone should sue them


What the fuck are some of you even talking about. KeSPA is the progaming teams organization and they pay the players, for playing BW. SC2 is nothing to do with them. Players can do whatever they like, but obviously they are not going to keep their original contracts when they don't even play the game.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
May 01 2011 21:15 GMT
#407
Flash/Jaedong would dominate sc2 of course, but not because their sc1 skills would carryover so well they'd instantly dominate. The reason they would do so well is work ethic. That's probably the reason they succeeded for so long in sc2; just crazy persistence and discipline. Practicing 12+ hours/day for several months to become a champion is an accomplishment, but its something many people are probably capable of if the motivation is there. Doing it for years, ignoring distractions, and avoiding slump-inducing activities is what takes absolutely amazing dedication and separates Flash/JD from the Nada/ooV/Savior/Chojja types.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
May 01 2011 21:15 GMT
#408
I dont think well see flash or jd playing sc2 anytime soon. Hopefully HoS does for sc2 what bw did for sc and the scene can continue long enough to see S class players transfer over. Any S class player like Flash or JD would be at the top with 1 month of practice max. Like someone said it took flash like 1 month to get his BW pro license lol....he wouldnt dominate like in bw just because sc2 is much more volatile and not 100% based on skill. But hed compete with any current top player in 2 weeks max. Anyone thinking otherwise clearly doesnt follow the BW pro scene
Guthix
Profile Joined April 2011
United States209 Posts
May 01 2011 21:21 GMT
#409
Is anyone else really anticipating the news of a current S-class BW pro switching over? I can't wait to see who the first will be ^^ it makes me so excited thinking about it!
Naniwa fighting!
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
May 01 2011 21:24 GMT
#410
On May 02 2011 06:21 Lumbridge wrote:
Is anyone else really anticipating the news of a current S-class BW pro switching over? I can't wait to see who the first will be ^^ it makes me so excited thinking about it!


You're going to be waiting a while.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5869 Posts
May 01 2011 21:32 GMT
#411
On May 02 2011 05:35 Bobster wrote:I worded that badly, I meant that none of the BW players on WeMade FOX are the ones who switched to SC2. Their SC2 team is made up entirely of WC3 players. Even then, they seem to be the singular exception, not the rule. I honestly have to say that I do not completely understand the situation and the politics behind it.


And it makes perfect sense! From business perspective it'd be a suicide if they actually helped sc2 flourish, considering blizzard wants to put KeSPA out of the equation...

And well, if you say nothing's changed and the rules have always been this way, and not in response to SC2 - that just means that there was something wrong with the rules all along, in my opinion. Things should have changed, and things should be different now that SC2 is there. I always think that the players and their needs should be prioritised, but I don't get that impression from Kespa's prohibitive and restricting system.


What exactly is wrong with the rules? The fact that players can't break a formal contract they've signed with their team? This is how it works for every single reputable sport, ffs. Do you see Cristiano Ronaldo going like "Hey, Jose, I'm gonna play for Barca this weekend, is that okay with you? No? Well, I'm gonna play regardless, even if it's against my contract." T_____T

The reason why BW is so established in Korea is because the corporate sponsors can be certain that their players won't do whatever the fuck they want.

Also why would anything change after the release of sc2? How is sc2 relevant in any way here?

And what do you mean by "players needs should be prioritized"? It's their fucking job. If they want to quit, they can quit, nobody forces them to do anything. ;; This is ridiculous. Are you seriously saying contracted players should be able to choose to play whatever game they want to play? That's as if Real bought Ronaldo and he then was like "I'm switching to basketball, guys." See how insane that is?

But it probably is as you say - Kespa really does think of Blizzard as their enemy, and that does explain about their stance on SC2 and preventing players from switching.


They have every reason to. Like I said, blizzard started it all and they want to kill BW in Korea to make room for sc2. So why would they not consider blizzard their enemy?

If it wasn't blizzard's stupid politics sc2 in Korea would've been ten times as big, with corporate sponsors allover the place, cable TV broadcasters and so on.
starsucks
Profile Joined January 2011
233 Posts
May 01 2011 21:50 GMT
#412
Troll post is harsh. :-(

What is actually with savior? Didn't he play SC2 in beta and did quite well? I mean he certainly doesn't play bw anymore. What's he doing atm?
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5869 Posts
May 01 2011 21:55 GMT
#413
On May 02 2011 06:50 starsucks wrote:
Troll post is harsh. :-(

What is actually with savior? Didn't he play SC2 in beta and did quite well? I mean he certainly doesn't play bw anymore. What's he doing atm?


Why are your posts so useless? ^__^
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
May 01 2011 21:55 GMT
#414
He does play BW, he streams on Afreeca. I don't think he ever played SC2 it's just impersonators.
starsucks
Profile Joined January 2011
233 Posts
May 01 2011 22:01 GMT
#415
I mean he doesn't play competitively anymore as he.....you know...got banned.
He didn't?? I saw many games of him in earlier times and now you tell me these were all fakes. Oo
Wow, did not realize that. Search on yt for savior sc2. Quite some stuff. Wow this is awkward...
.Carnage
Profile Joined August 2010
United States99 Posts
May 01 2011 22:05 GMT
#416
this isn't a bold statement at all :S It's pretty obvious that if you dominate at SC1 you will do even better in SC2 considering SC2 is much easier to play than SC1 (mechanically at least).
He's just not the fastest zergling in the control group. -DayJ
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
May 01 2011 22:05 GMT
#417
When beta started he was still a progamer, during the period beta was running is when he was caught and had to appear in court multiple times. So i get the feeling he probably wasn't playing any SC2 during this time.
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
May 01 2011 22:11 GMT
#418
Yeah, I think there were some well known Savior smurfs on the ladder. I remember people talking a little bit about the Savior on the Korean ladder before GSL3; of course they knew it wasn't The Savior, but it did turn out to be ST_Monster who had some real potential(at least IMO, and I remember seeing an almost favorable critique of him from Idra). But The Savior won't be in SC2 because GomTV is continuing the Kespa ban on matchfixers, or at least on Savior himself since I'm not sure of all the details, and in fact Xeris said NASL won't let him in either. So if Savior wants to play he'd have to just do it as an amateur like he is in BW.
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skinnyrl
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 22:28:30
May 01 2011 22:24 GMT
#419
On May 02 2011 05:19 starsucks wrote:
Flash absolutely has the potential to do well in SC2. With some training he could get diamond after a week and maybe even masters after a month with hard training.

a week?
you kidding me?
dude masters isnt rly hard to get and especially not for a player like flash which is a fucking god. Roflcopter getting top grandmasters will not be rly hard for a player like flash.
''Every advantage has it's disadvantage'' Johan Cruyf
Yip12343
Profile Joined December 2010
120 Posts
May 01 2011 22:24 GMT
#420
Great part 1 ^^ Where is part 2? can't find that :S
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